The Skinny Propaganda | 'Thin Shaming vs Fatphobia'
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3 жыл бұрынHi everyone welcome back! Today I'm sharing my thoughts on the ongoing "skinny shaming vs fat phobia" debate that has been happening online. In doing so, I'm diving into the nuances of both skinny shaming and fat phobia, getting some insight from members of the fat community about society's anti-fat bias, and highlighting the main difference between the these two forms of body shaming: oppression. I hope you enjoy!
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Videos and articles I consumed in prep for this video:
Tarek Ali's 'The truth about Body Dysmorphia & being addicted to validation | A Convo w/a Psychiatrist'
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Dainá's 'Skinny Shaming Doesn't Exist?! But Fat Shaming Does?!... Let's Talk About It'
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From New York to Instagram: The history of the body positivity movement
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THE HISTORY OF THE BODY POSITIVITY MOVEMENT (FAT ACTIVISM)
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The Black History of the Body Positive Movement
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The Fat Underground and the Fat Liberation Manifesto
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Will The Real Khloé Kardashian Please Stand Up...For Herself? www.buzzfeednews.com/article/...
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@TeeNoir 3 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone! Mikey also supports a people-driven fund where 100% of the money goes into the pockets of Black women! facebook.com/loveonblackwomen/ You can also donate meals for children in Gaza: www.launchgood.com/campaign/provide_nutritious_meals_for_children_in_gaza#!/ And stay informed by following credible outlets and news sources. Both links are also listed in the description.
@dymonewilliams1192 3 жыл бұрын
Hi beautiful
@elegant.destiny 3 жыл бұрын
As an individual who has been overweight their whole life and has struggled with my mentality on my body and size, I appreciate you, my sista, for having this conversation.
@ambriaashley3383 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for those resources!! I will definitely check those out 🖤
@user-nt8bo1kj6q 3 жыл бұрын
Love, fruits and berries to you!Thanks for the video
@catlinn6871 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I hope you see this but what was the name of the podcast I'm really interested
@Shanspeare 3 жыл бұрын
Lizzo is the real life embodiment of “see now why am I in it? I ain’t even did nothing.”
@chelsigoliath 3 жыл бұрын
Found your channel through Tee! And I haven't looked back since.🤞🏽 Thank you for introducing me to the topic of femininity in hollywood and the channel film fatales, it's where I drew inspiration for my "femininity in hollywood and why the mean girl is always demonized" video so big big thanks to both of you
@CassieJazz96 3 жыл бұрын
Lol exactly
@lesbiangoddess290 3 жыл бұрын
Fr. Like leave the talented woman alone
@romanzolanski2948 3 жыл бұрын
"Lizzo is the embodiment of being an insecure person. I don't hate her because I don't know her but she is just problematic and makes things about her being fat. She puts on a cover trying to hide her insecurity but I see right throw it." - Lizzo haters say Even though they don't know anything about the woman
@mewmew6158 3 жыл бұрын
Don't feed the troll
@dewyelata9378 3 жыл бұрын
I swear when someone is chubby, they get fat shamed and when they lose weight, they are skinny shamed. What is wrong with people?😀
@dewyelata9378 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariaguribe1982 Yeah, but sometimes that isn’t always the case if you know what I mean.
@Jordan-db2og 3 жыл бұрын
Midsize people getting fat shamed and skinny shamed at the same time 😭
@dewyelata9378 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-db2og Oh my god, that happens so often. I’m just like what’s the reason?
@lil_doggo_of_doom 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariaguribe1982 It depends a lot
@micahcook2408 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the effects of European ancestors putting fatness on the same pedestal that our 20th century ancestors put skinny-ness/“curviness” on has seeped its way onto modern society is small sneaky ways. The whole “you needa eat more” or how being really skinny is unattractive is something I truly believe reared it’s head from the renaissance period standards of beauty and its sad that fat shaming society that pioneered this in the 20th century never learned its history and just accepted people for who they were back then....
@ivybee347 2 жыл бұрын
Especially in the black community..... we cant win. Fat shaming or skinny shaming..... if you don't have a huge ass Disney tiny waist and nice thighs you're not a black woman.
@bruhhhebrooo5269 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! In the black community even if you’re curvy if you got a stomach, stretch marks, rolls big arms etc you’ll get bullied and harassed and you still won’t be the standard. It’s like beauty standards in the black community is so much more restrictive and harder to achieve than the general western beauty standard.
@ShanyShannon 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly 😑
@dejstoney 2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhhhebrooo5269 not only that black men dehumanize black women based on their body shapes. We are sexualized more than other races. Our Hiphop and rap culture is too overly sexual, mistreating BW because of it.
@jazzy5410 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I’m going through rn.
@xceptionalstudios8489 2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!! I absolutely ABHOR thr term "bad built" or sayings like it because first of all...how fucking dare you! Like who are you to tell me (and Jesus, inadvertently) that I am "built" incorrectly. Like it's fucking rude and just so disrespectful and WE MADE IT UP! Any black girl who just looks regular and has a regular body and regular hair is basically just wallpaper or invisible to most of the black community and it's really sad
@rylieseitz9095 2 жыл бұрын
I would also like to add how eating disorders are seen in skinny people as opposed to fat people. I can say from personal experience that eating disorders in skinny people are rightfully met with feedback and people who want to help but I often see in fat people with eating disorders people are shocked. And if we take a second to ask why it also shows how fat phobia is ingrained in mental health, because I can say this over and over again but eating disorders are never about weight.
@haileyquinnzel 2 жыл бұрын
No literally. A girl who USED TO HAVE AN EATING DISORDER would literally fat shame me with my other pos friends while I was on a diet in which I lost 40lbs in 2 months. Saying I would’ve lost so much more weight If i just did “this” or “that” and regardless of mt weight loss, I want getting any compliments until I was small enough. This girl was also a chain smoker. Little did she realize, compulsive eating/overeating/food addiction is an ED, and she was perpetuating the same behavior that hurt her because, as she and others said, “it’s only because we care about you” 🙄🙄🙄
@riba2219 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who struggled with ED my entire life and got skinny shamed by friends and family. Skinny shaming often get swept under the rug
@elliegoulding744 2 жыл бұрын
Only an ignorant would think that you have to look skinny to have an eating disorder. I see bigger people with eating disorders all the time, but they just look big.
@espeon871 2 жыл бұрын
@@riba2219 its not systemic tho, like you guys can find your size, and is the beauty standard for like most countries and dont get denied jobs cuz of your body type, you guys max get your feelings hurt, fat people's lives and material conditions are worse
@riba2219 2 жыл бұрын
@@espeon871 ok fat people are victims and skinny people are evil. Is that what you want to hear? Seriously whenever a severely underweight person mentioned their struggles you guys cannot wait to discredit them. I did not say overweight people had life easier, what I'm saying is underweight people have different spectrum of struggles. Nah skinny isn't always the ideal weight if you're severely underweight like Eugenia Cooney type skinny which I've been before. And yes I was denied jobs because they said I'd frighten customers. Now shut up
@itsnotthatdeepluv 3 жыл бұрын
tiktok is notorious for backhanded compliments in the “i love that you’re so confident!🥺” type way and it’s so frustrating to see. people are far too obsessed with other people’s bodies & it’s so WEIRD hereee🤢
@JK-yj7cg 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly like why should they NOT be confident though, when they aren't doing anything wrong by not conforming to society's insane body standards :\
@jackierobot4830 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I post progress pics of my Fx makeup projects, or costumes I'm making, on my snapchat, and when I label something a "progress pic" I get pithy encouragement from skinny people telling me that I look great, and I shouldn't give up. Like, Bitch, ive got a 4 in bloody gash on my arm (fake) and you think I'm talking about my hips cause they're not cropped out? tf.
@jordan-my2vl 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackierobot4830 yeah im skinny and like it still makes ME self conscious when i see others make comments like that bc whyre u even thinking about it thats not the point of the video 🤨
@aliceam7566 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I personally say I love their confidence, I mean it because my family bombards me daily about how fat I am and how much back titties I got. I love crop tops, but I always put on a sweater over it. I only open the jacket when I’m home alone in my room.
@biancadesousa 3 жыл бұрын
if you have ONE flaw (acne, crooked teeth, anything honestly) tik tok comments will be filled with pointing it out. I remember vine and it never was that bad on there, and it’s definitely not as bad on other platforms like YT or instagram. Yes an occasionally comment but not every single one. it’s kind of weird because as we know tik tok is mostly kids so it’s probably gen z making those comments yet we’re supposed to be the most woke generation.
@melanated_princess2763 3 жыл бұрын
You ever notice when a skinny person posts pictures of food on their Instagram and say “I love food” or “food is my husband” people agree and laugh and make it into a trend. But when a plus size person does it then they get negative backlash. “That’s why your fat” or “ you need a salad” it’s weird. I’ve noticed that 😒
@blueisblue599 3 жыл бұрын
Right! People don't realize just cuz you're skinny doesn't mean your insides are healthy. Also adding on I've seen skinny people post videos of them scarfing down cake, pizza etc and like you said people laugh but a fat person could post themselves eating one chicken nugget and get so much hate.
@deeb1124 3 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda like posting with the girls a night out drinking vs posting a selfie of day drinking while you’re under housearrest for your 5th DUI
@lesbiangoddess290 3 жыл бұрын
Ooooo, not alot of people want here that but it must be said
@cassidycasimirisme 3 жыл бұрын
@@blueisblue599 I lot of skinny people post like that for the gram or the story for their followers bc its relatable and ppl love food porn and it humanizes the influencer, but they don't actually eat it bc its bad for them and won't keep them looking the way they do. Just something I've observed as well
@mewmew6158 3 жыл бұрын
@@deeb1124 No, it's not. Unless you have (for example) a binge eating disorder that you've disclosed to your followers and are posting a spread you're eating all by yourself, how tf can you come to that conclusion? Making people feel bad for eating is not the way to "help" people. Your comment makes so many assumptions, just like people who are fat phobic. You have no idea how many times someone has eaten that day from a picture, that should be obvious. You want fat people to not eat or enjoy food, that's what you just said. Being an alcoholic with a DUI and drinking is not the same as eating while fat.
@badbitch8010 2 жыл бұрын
In the end, if either body doesn’t look like “⏳”, people are gonna shame and even if you do look like that, they’re STILL gonna shame. Body shaming never stops. I’ve been skinny and fat shamed, I just wish people stopped talking about other peoples bodies.
@welicatiga 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! In my culture it's the norm. If there's a distinguishing feature on you, that's your nickname for "the rest of your life." My mom used to be skinny when she was growing up, my aunt used to call her "legs 11." My mom hated it. Now my mom is in the middle. I love her body and wish I could look that way, BUT I know an older woman who constantly looks down her. She says things like, "Where's your butt?" "How do you have thighs but no butt?" My mom tells her, "Does my butt bother you? Mind your business!" My mom said that she never wants her kids to feel the way she does so she stopped the cycle herself.
@Brianna-tn4mv 2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess.... you're skinny
@loveyoursign2923 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I h8te my kangaroo pouch. I have 3 kids and I love them. I just miss my flat stomach before I had my 1st child in 2014. My kangaroo pouch came after I had my 2nd child in 2015. I started being vegan in late January and now I'm officially a pescatarian. My stomach has went down some but not as flat as I I'd like. Waist trainers take too long to work and I got tired if squatting everyday 😒 I'm considering getting a tummy tuck but I'm scared because of the risk. I was really petite before I gave birth to my 1st child. Idc for boy leray. Her body looks manly asf to me.
@animeboiscute7204 2 жыл бұрын
Even then they want a specific type of hour glass body, you just can’t win so the only thing you can do is A learn to love yourself (this is the one I recommend you to do most) or B get plastic surgery(which I don’t recommend but hey your body your choice)
@spacebars9677 2 жыл бұрын
@@Brianna-tn4mv ummm they just said they experienced both so they could’ve been fat/skinny at one point and gained/lost a significant amount of weight to change body “categories”.
@tiffanymckenzie1236 2 жыл бұрын
When ppl talk about this issue and take the “I care about their health” route, have you ever considered the detrimental mental health struggles you are perpetuating when you fat shame ppl in the name of caring about their longevity of life? Mental health issues are just as deadly. Let ppl live and be confident no matter if they are overweight and on a weight loss journey or not. Same with underweight ppl.
@mica8701 2 жыл бұрын
its really funny (not) that the same people concern trolling fat people will turn around and either turn a blind eye to or even promote diet culture, which nutritionists have been criticizing as long as it's existed. it's never been about how "healthy" someone is: the goal is the sense of superiority and applying the external pressure to control other people's bodies
@agathachris9722 2 жыл бұрын
It's very simple. Society usually advises against things that are over all detrimental to society and the normalization of obesity is one of them. If society should have a problem with anorexia, it shoukd have the same problem with obesity.
@mica8701 2 жыл бұрын
@Cassandra Tafoya but also dont moralize health because disabilities (from chronic to terminal to neurodivergent) exist, alongiside with other external factors like poverty and food deserts. it's good to advocate for body education so people know how to take care of their bodies and so people can avoid being scammed by people looking to profit, but it's also good to stay aware of the fact that not everyone can achieve even a low standard of "healthiness" not saying you moralized health, this is just something i'm compelled to add to most conversations about health and nutrition
@mica8701 2 жыл бұрын
@Cassandra Tafoya yes exactly !! you said it beautifully succinctly :-)
@katie1902 2 жыл бұрын
90% of fat people have mental health issues because of their weight, ask anyone that use to be fat that has now lost weight they feel so much better now
@SparknSprinkle 3 жыл бұрын
I wish existing didn't have to be such a big deal. We all look the way we look. Everyone should just be excited we got up in the morning.
@nemi6265 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly🙄👎🏾
@choux8372 3 жыл бұрын
That would be so nice, but people always gotta open their mouths 😩
@tblmoon 3 жыл бұрын
@@choux8372 fr
@unabruja624 3 жыл бұрын
I mean that last part, about waking up, kinda hard lol, but i agree
@ciera_danyel 3 жыл бұрын
THIS.
@UnfilteredMay 3 жыл бұрын
'there is not a fat person on this earth who owes you an apology or an explanation for their existence' omg Tee never misses!
@eleanorlanpher34 3 жыл бұрын
Insight!
@a.seldenrath4173 3 жыл бұрын
Made me tear up
@kenyannationalist1061 3 жыл бұрын
Society isn't obligated to find you attractive. Conform as well as you can, or continue whining about beauty standards.
@KathrinePandell 3 жыл бұрын
I need that on a t-shirt please!
@liainahamilton6615 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenyannationalist1061 marshall please exit stage left with all that bullshit
@mmmmmmmm9358 11 ай бұрын
skinny shaming sucks but fatphobia is on another level of oppression
@issac2939 6 ай бұрын
They aren't oppressed.
@i2yuris 5 ай бұрын
@@issac2939they are. there are medical biases against fatter people. skinny people are the standard, and yes, while they can expierence body shaming, the level of normalization that fatphobia is and the extremity of it will not compare
@llaniii 4 ай бұрын
@@i2yuris Then don’t compare, its not a competition tf
@i2yuris 4 ай бұрын
@@llaniii it is a comparsion. fatphobia is not on the same level of skinny shaming because fatphobia is a systemic thing and skinny shaming is bullying. they are both bad and i never said they both weren't bad.. ☠️☠️
@saskiafinnan4216 4 ай бұрын
i don’t even know what to tell you if you think fat people are oppressed.
@me-rf2kt 2 жыл бұрын
Just because I'm skinny I'm either a hooker, on drugs, or sick. I look at everyone and wish I had a "normal" body, but I had to realize that I have nothing to prove to anyone and my body is my body, it's beautiful and natural
@kioku618 2 жыл бұрын
There's no such thing as a normal body. Also I'm glad things are better for you.
@me-rf2kt 2 жыл бұрын
@@kioku618 that's why it's in quotation marks but yes thanks
@kioku618 2 жыл бұрын
@@me-rf2kt Yeah I was just kind of putting the point out there clearly. There really isn't.
@calistafalcontail 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you live???? Never heard any of this and I am super delicate but it has only advantages so far. If this is you on the picture, then you know damn well you are pretty in a classical sense and way more men are into skinny women (understandable). Its elegant, its cute, its an advanatge when you age.
@SapphicSis Жыл бұрын
@@calistafalcontail and y’all tried to say that skinny shaming is worse than fatphobia with your entire comment!
@kansiyoegwuonwu6907 3 жыл бұрын
"Normalizing something doesn't mean promoting it. It means minding your own business." This really stuck to me.
@agathachris9722 2 жыл бұрын
Normalizing something does indeed mean promoting it. I wonder did you think that near death models who wanted to look the way they did weren't promoting anorexia, just normalizing it.
@zthetajulietta8184 2 жыл бұрын
@@agathachris9722 as someone that went through dealing with the hell of anorexia, I don’t like to see it it weaponize in the discourse of body shaming. People with Ed’s don’t go through it in hopes of normalizing and glamorizing it to every person that looks at them. It’s a mental disorder and compulsion and they are stuck in their own insular world and habits to even have a brain cell left to worry about what kind of message they’re putting out to the world because of their illness. A naturally thinner woman that is thin in the “wrong way” ie. no breast or ass being shamed is not to be conflated with unnaturally thin bodies that is a detriment to your health via an eating disorder. Normalizing cellulite/stretch marks/no thigh gap/bellies and bodily difference is just that-treating people normally. No outrage, no condescension, no patronizing, no shaming, no bullying. I doubt anyone that has anything outspoken to say about bigger or smaller women say it out of genuine love or concern. They’ll spit in your face and call it “tough love” f them.
@Bayo106 2 жыл бұрын
it stuck with you but it's stupidity and makes no sense/ is just a lie. normalizing something means making it normal aka making it okay think of something thats actually bad, and think of 'normalizing it' I'm sure you can see that normalizing things indeed does mean promoting or at least CONDONING
@katie1902 2 жыл бұрын
normalising unhealthy habits will lead to obesity rates skyrocketing even more than they already are
@bababla8528 2 жыл бұрын
So we're just gonna let obesity levels rise? We can expect human life expectancy to start going down then.
@claire9060 3 жыл бұрын
As a fat person I feel like confidence is associated with audacity. It's like how dare you be confident when you're so clearly not what you're supposed to be. People get angry that you have the audacity to not hate your body when they hate it.
@PorcupineGirl 3 жыл бұрын
Eloquently and accurately stated, Claire.
@takemeseriouslynt 2 жыл бұрын
You couldn't have worded it more perfectly, sometimes they "accept" your body, and aren't trying to say you should lose weight / gain any, but only as long as you're miserable in it. And if that aint people in general. They all want you to succeed till you put the work and effort, and the attitude that comes with it then they the first to put you down. It's really sad.
@affionge 2 жыл бұрын
So true!
@Dr.Sharron 2 жыл бұрын
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@Dr.Sharron 2 жыл бұрын
@whenuknow uno , there are many people who are unhappy and have low-self esteem, when you present the happiness that they, who are skinny, do not present.
@clovermicdover8083 2 жыл бұрын
I have experienced being skinny and fat. I’m 5’11” and my skinniest was 130 (mind you I was very sick) then my heaviest was 230. I’ve experienced both and I will always agree that being heavier allows more scrutiny. I don’t think the insults/threats pertain to the same thing skinny people get.
@mikezohan142 2 жыл бұрын
130 pounds. That's great weight body mass
@reebeckie571 2 жыл бұрын
Have also experienced both side growing up I used to be skinny as a toothpick and I experienced the cruelness of most people around me not a day went by without someone reminding how skinny I was by making harsh comment like "hey!!watch out before the wind blows you away" this lasted until my last semester of my second year in highschool,as kid those comments really did hurt but surprisingly i was never focused to changing my situation(like eating more to gain weight ) well tbh it was mostly because I heard from alot of people that I was doomed to be skinny all my life Now back to my last semester of my second year in highschool I started gaining weight and also gained few inches(I was 5'4 gained 3 inches now to 5'7) I remained at an average weight till I finished high school (I was in boarding school what mostly helped me gain weight was the midterm and end term breaks we were given every semester at those moment I ate like crazy I liked home cooked food and junk foods I would buy and my appetite was always high but when I would go back to school I wouldn't overeat since I disliked the food at school and that why it was easy to not get overweight) After highschool I started having seasonal depressions and I looked for comfort in food and now my weight started piling on utill I hit 71 kgs and that when I realized I was fat it's been 2 years since then and I'm always looking for ways to lose weight I hate being fat!!!
@riba2219 2 жыл бұрын
It's a different case for me. When I was skinny I was getting a lot of hate. People always assumed I had ED or was too poor to buy food. When I was heavier people commented to me that I look healthier and that I was eating well.
@1ia802 2 жыл бұрын
@@riba2219 heavier doesnt automatically mean fat.
@riba2219 2 жыл бұрын
@@1ia802uh in my context it meant fat. Are you high?
@tarasouthwell6132 2 жыл бұрын
Medical bias: a friend had a rash the doctor said was because she was fat. Turns out she had the shingles and almost died
@agnese2944 Жыл бұрын
I kinda understand blaming joint pain and heart problems on fatness, but a rash? Where is the logic?
@boo-la-la_666 Жыл бұрын
Only thing I can think of that it could have been linked to via weight would be a fungal skin infection. I don't know how true it is but my GP Tod me bigger people were more prone to developing them.
@girlsdrinkfeck Жыл бұрын
fat people more likely to die with shingles , i had shingles and i was 11% bodyfat, it came and went with no issue
@kimberlyskits7241 3 жыл бұрын
I hate to be that person who brings race into it but I feel like as a black girl my experience has been different. Something i’ve noticed is that it’s an expectation for black women to be curvy. A guy said it to my face once, told me how flat I was for a black girl and how black girls should be curvy. I’m accepted in society because of my figure but not amongst my own people.
@azereth338 3 жыл бұрын
don’t feel bad for “bringing in race” because society brought it in the first place. I understand that, the struggles of something will always be different on a black person bc they just experience all aspects of their life differently💖
@swxxtella7469 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never related to something more than this. for those reasons I started dating non black men because I guess I feel more desirable
@blackglitteremoji3054 3 жыл бұрын
Fatphobia is rooted in anti blackness. Don’t feel bad about bringing race into it!
@kilimanjaro5537 3 жыл бұрын
I co-sign this sister 😤
@luisanaencarnacion6050 3 жыл бұрын
This, this is it! As an afro-latina specifically being Dominican it's been really hard for me. Dominican women are known for having big butts and the curvy body as you said. I've grown up seeing my family members who have these bodies yet I don't. I'm skinny and I've gotten shamed for it since elementary. Everyday I think to myself, why Can't have a bigger butt or bigger breasts but its mainly the butt for me. I've come to terms with my small breasts.
@cosmicsongbird3047 3 жыл бұрын
We can feel bad for Khloe while also holding her and her family accountable for creating and promoting the unhealthy beauty standards and detox teas.
@cmctiernan 3 жыл бұрын
@@wuraolaalabi2772 yes this bothers me! the people in society who claimed her to be the ugly sister are the exact same people preaching that she was ‘prettier before the procedures”.
@katherinemorelle7115 3 жыл бұрын
@@wuraolaalabi2772 she can be a victim and a perpetrator at the same time. And she is.
@izzy350 3 жыл бұрын
@@wuraolaalabi2772 RIGHTTT LIKE WHAT DO YALL WANT FROM THE KID
@Rio_Monique 3 жыл бұрын
@@wuraolaalabi2772 That part. You can't label somebody the big ugly sister for 15 years constantly and not expect her to try to change her appearance drastically. She can't win with these people.
@nyarianaoluoch 3 жыл бұрын
thissss
@kpopluvie7588 2 жыл бұрын
I'm actually so glad u brought up the skinny shaming. I always felt so bad when my friends could finish the food but I couldn't, and as an asian American, it's always embarrassing when people tell me to eat more and they force more food on my plate
@oliviacr88 2 жыл бұрын
yeah same here, every time I'm out with my friends I always dread getting food because I know that if I don't feel like finishing my food I'm going to look like I don't eat and that's why I'm skinny(which is definitely not true it's just genetics). I even had a teacher that forced me to eat once in front of my classmates and it was so embarrassing
@veronicagilmore946 6 ай бұрын
Being skinny shamed in a Latino household took a toll on me. I put this pressure on myself that I have to eat the same as others. Unfortunately this led to disordered eating for me but I’m glad to say other peoples comments don’t have the same affect on me and I shouldn’t feel bad for eating less or more
@Wolfstar26 Жыл бұрын
as a skinny person who has always been underweight from childhood to present adulthood, i've almost never been made to feel bad about my body. there was only one instance where a classmate called me anorexic, otherwise i was often complimented for my body, even though i had a flat chest. when i was in school, i watched the bigger girls be yelled abuse at them in the hallways, be publicly humiliated for no reason and be forced to take it on the chin. it made me afraid of just the idea of living as a fat person in this world. if you asked me, it's definitely ten times worse to be fat in this world. however, i speak as a white person, and it's likely much more accepted to be shaped like a door when i'm white than other ethnicities. but still. i don't feel very oppressed at all for my body type, never have.
@saskia1621 8 ай бұрын
BLESS U for this. Sometimes I feel like I’m living in a parallel universe whenever I’m discussing fatphobia n suddenly I’m about hearing all this abuse skinny folks get on the daily😭Like I have never witnessed skinny shaming that has the same anger or violence that fat shaming has
@veronicagilmore946 6 ай бұрын
same here I’ve been skinny all my life and usually I’ve had some mean comments about how thin I am at school, but for bigger people I’ve seen how much comments and bullying they’ve done to them. The perception people have towards is sad to see. Growing up in a Latino household, I’d get praise from some family members but then also get comments about how thin I am. It’s a mix of both that confused me a lot growing up. But I always knew what I went through is not the same as fat person and I can’t imagine how hard that must be
@imani0nline 3 жыл бұрын
The hyper focus in our society over peoples bodies and how they are perceived according to beauty standards is insane. This kind of makes me sometimes want to throw away the whole body positivity and just fully adopt radical self acceptance, because your body’s value should not be determined whether doesn’t someone views your body as beautiful or not, The fact that it is a living breathing body means that it is inherently valuable.
@metoo3342 3 жыл бұрын
It's not beauty standards it's people's health. There's an obesity epidemic and people should be trying get action done to solve it not trying to accept them.
@annest.5356 3 жыл бұрын
I feel this so much. I am so grateful for all the wonderful people in the body positive and fat acceptance movement who've educated me in my late teens until now but recently I've been feeling so drained by the constant need to justify my existence in a body. Let me live (and I know that it is a privilege to be able to just opt out of fighting for these things). Social media makes things feel overwhelming sometimes even if it's intended to be positive and empowering. People have always been fat, always been skinny, always been everything inbetween and beauty ideals change so rapidly it's insane.
@No1PlutoSupporter 3 жыл бұрын
Look into body neutrality !!! It goes beyond body positivity
@Bubbles603 3 жыл бұрын
@@metoo3342 OK but why do people automatically assume plus-sized people are unhealthy? So many skinny girls out there struggle with eating disorders but if a plus-sized girl goes to order something at KFC she's treated like she's a food addict. The double standard is clear, nobody's saying we should normalise obesity; we're trying to normalise bodies
@metoo3342 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bubbles603 Because Being plus sized does automatically make you unhealthy and increases your risk for basically everything and being skinny does not. It's.not a double standard they're just not equivalent.
@jadapaige9775 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re skinny you still have to have a round butt and hips with an hourglass figure. They want⏳skinny not 🚪skinny. And if you’re plus sized you need an unreasonably small waist for your size with no cellulite and a cute thigh gap but still have thick thighs like a fashionova model. Otherwise you’re the “wrong kind of skinny” or the “wrong kind of plus sized” Wow.
@trixieagustina6163 3 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@loveoflife3081 3 жыл бұрын
Yup the life of a women 😒
@bajabl 3 жыл бұрын
"This ain't build-a-bitch workshop!"
@violetrayne 3 жыл бұрын
if you have surgery to meet those standards, they call you fake. Just love yourself because there is no satisfying them.
@ArtisticlyAlexis 3 жыл бұрын
We've taken the hourglass figure to an insane degree, expecting every woman's frame to be formed with a bust & booty, but no waist or signs of rolls or bones allowed. So very few women are shaped like that naturally: many of us have of one or more aspects of bodies that doesn't naturally match that silhouette.
@rainy5517 2 жыл бұрын
I've had a classmate who was fat and very beautiful and confident. She put make up on, did her hair and knew how to dress. not to mention, popular. Why can't we see fat people as normal human beings? And men tell us to not have unrealistic standards, when they want an hourglass thick thigh beauty goddess, who's only purpose is to fulfill their fantasies smh
@just4bigbang 2 жыл бұрын
not trying to be rude, i swear! just... dont say she was fat >>but
@heh4389 2 жыл бұрын
“but”🤨
@xinx-fn8973 Жыл бұрын
Fat-phobia won’t help them at all, I genuinely want them to find help and happiness
@jellopuddingful Жыл бұрын
I've been told to humble myself with my tastes and I'm like 100 percent sure its because I'm fat. And of course its men telling me that 🙄. My body type is apparently undeserving of a certain type of man.
@leonardthompsonjr3948 Жыл бұрын
@@jellopuddingful - You are correct.
@swaibafaisal8916 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been on both sides of the spectrum ( I was overweight, developed anorexia and am now underweight) fat phobia is definitely worse than skinny shaming. I’ll never ever forget how I was treated when I was bigger. The amount of people that have said to me that I’ve had a ‘glow up’ and I’ve ‘changed for the better’ despite me being 100x happier and healthier when I weighed more shows how they see being skinny as being superior. It’s sick that this is what society has turned into
@rockwall_ Жыл бұрын
I apologise for you going through that.
@zdravokakosi146 Жыл бұрын
Thats your expirence. Fatphobia and skinny shamong hurt the same.
@swaibafaisal8916 Жыл бұрын
@@zdravokakosi146 hey I’m slightly recovered now and my opinions rn are that they’re both horrible things. The hurt isn’t more/less/the same it’s just different hurts. Both should be taken seriously but they are different problems that require different solutions
@rockwall_ Жыл бұрын
@@zdravokakosi146 fat phobia is systematic kind of oppression, skinny shaming is not.
@zdravokakosi146 Жыл бұрын
@@rockwall_ so what? Dosent mean skinny shaming is less of a problem
@NaeNaeFuller 3 жыл бұрын
also, when a person says they’re fat, don’t say “you’re not fat you’re beautiful”....it plays into the stigma that fat is ugly when it’s not 😁
@bigasspockets 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, but I also don’t know what to tell ppl to say instead. Like when ppl say that I know it bothers me, but idk what to ask them to say instead
@vickvictor7534 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigasspockets You could say "weight doesn't determine beauty" or "You aren't fat, and even if you were that wouldn't change your beauty, or worth as a person" Idk but I think those are are better
@parentalonion6552 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigasspockets Maybe something like "and that doesn't make you any less beautiful than you already are."?
@meenalena06p46 3 жыл бұрын
I heard THAT ALL THE TIME!!!!!
@inantarctica 3 жыл бұрын
@@vickvictor7534 Nah, you're still saying the same thing. Someone acknowledging they're fat doesn't mean they need to be told, "oh but you're beautiful in your way."
@TarekAli 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words and mention. It means so much you have no idea. literally. So grateful for you, your mind, your work, your contribution to society. sending so much love
@mayaj8855 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos!!! It makes me so happy two of my favorite creators enjoy each others' work :) sending you so much love and support
@TeeNoir 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your content and constant inspiration 🥰💖
@byulharangforlife 3 жыл бұрын
@@mayaj8855 your name is a vibe
@dreamy_daze4 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, you know anything about Libras yet
@mayaj8855 3 жыл бұрын
@@byulharangforlife stoppp I’m literally watching Saiki rnn
@likepocketsjingling 2 жыл бұрын
As a naturally petite person, my experience is that while both fat and skinny people can be body shamed (and unfortunately sometimes people will well-intentionally but misguidedly hype up fat women by saying things like "you aren't a real woman unless you're above [certain/weight] size" when I was just over there minding my own business XD). The difference between me and fat women is that the assumptions made about me for my size are largely positive - that I'm disciplined, hard-working, take care of myself (lolol my ideal Friday night is sitting in front of Netflix with the cat and a pint of Ben & Jerry's and I hate the gym) - and that society is built around my frame. I can fit comfortably into airplane/bus seats, have clothing designed with my body type in mind and am still petite enough to buy children's size tops and shoes, which saves money. I see plenty of representations of people who look like me in media without them being made the butt of jokes. People who do look like me in media also tend to be viewed as attractive and successful. And those are just a few examples. The body positivity movement started because a group of people, who do not look like me, have been made to feel ashamed about their size and - as you said - they were generous enough to invite the rest of us into it. A casual google for anyone will also show that there's a correlation between success, wealth and size - skinny people are more likely to be hired, promoted (especially if they're women) and are generally treated better by customer service reps and so forth. So yes, while body image is an easy subject to be selfish about and it did used to be hurtful when people would imply I wasn't a real woman because of my lack of curves, it is *not* exactly the same as fat shaming and we petite/skinny people need to be more salient about that.
@SapphicSis Жыл бұрын
finally a skinny person who gets it. neither is better or above one another but I don’t think a skinny person struggles the same way a fat person does and you pointed that out tremendously.
@crispybi1474 Жыл бұрын
this comment reminds me of Peggy McIntosh’s metaphor of the invisible knapsack of white privilege. no commentary I can add on that connection, but your comment is well-written and what I want to show to every person to help them understand the systemic body shaming and oppression of fat people.
@ladydontekno Жыл бұрын
I just want to point out real quick that “petite” has nothing to do with weight, just height. I’m 5’ 1” and I used to be plus sized. Losing weight didn’t make me petite, not getting tall made me petite 😂
@likepocketsjingling Жыл бұрын
@@ladydontekno I think it's a matter of semantics but I see your point. I'm from a country where petite is typically taken to mean someone who's short and small framed - otherwise you just get described as "short." Whereabouts are you from, out of curiosity? Not coming for you, promise, just being a nerd 🤓
@ladydontekno Жыл бұрын
@@likepocketsjingling I’m from the US, and here “petite” literally just means a short woman; short men are not described as petite.
@danic9304 2 жыл бұрын
What i find really distasteful about the whole fat shaming is that it is so fucking smug. Unlike other forms of bigotry, society assumes a high degree of choice and consequence in the case of fat people. And that allows non-fat people to use the fatness of others to reflect positively on their own choices and lifestyles. I'm slim and, aside from a couple of brief spells when I went a bit heavier than my norm, I've been slim my whole life. I do nothing to deserve this - I am not a healthy person, I eat like shit, I drink gallons of coffee, I smoke and the only real exercise I get is walking the dog (reasonably good exercise tromping about the countryside, but it's not a real workout) ... I have friends who eat carefully, exercise conscientiously, and live a constant battle against fat. They look at a doughnut and gain weight - I can empty the cake aisle and stay slim. A stranger might look at us and assume I'm the one jogging and doing cross fit training and they'd be dead wrong. A lot of people who are slim are not getting that way by the good choices they made - and plenty of fat people got that way despite the good choices they made. We need to disentangle the weight issue from the moral dimension it has taken on - a hang up from the idea of gluttony as a sin, reinforced by the well-meaning governmental and medical drives to promote healthy eating and combat obesity. All the emphasis rests on the simple equation of overeating and lack of exercise as a matter of personal choice / self-control - despite masses of evidence to show that people have different speeds of metabolism and bodies deal with excess calories in different ways, meaning we are not in any way playing on a level field. Extreme weight gain, like any bodily extreme can present serious health problems - but at the less extreme side of things, the mental and emotional stress of an unhealthy relationship with food due to constant dieting and a lack of social acceptance due to society's obsession with weight likely present a more serious risk to health. And yet we still do it - we still have skinny people smugly taking full responsibility for their body shape, because they go to the gym on the regular and are careful about what they eat - and judging those who cannot 'achieve' the same physical build even when they do exactly the same - as if the hand they were dealt hadn't come up all aces.
@bigeverlongnow 2 жыл бұрын
omg yes, perfectly put! I'm the same as you and have always observed this. the hypocrisy kills me. it is so simple yet so many people refuse to understand this.
@missmollyc Жыл бұрын
oh my gosh, this is one of the most perfectly put commentaries on this topic i have seen. i was suuuper skinny as a child, and i ate whatever i want and exercised very little- then i hit puberty, and my habits didn’t change at all, yet my weight shot up simply because that was how hormones affected my developing body. i spent years comparing myself to my pre-pubescent body and it was so toxic for my mental health. i’ve since learned to appreciate my curves but i’ve still had to extremely alter my lifestyle just to feel justified in my body’s existence. thank you for this.
@miahrocket5126 Жыл бұрын
I don’t view being fat and over eating as a sin but just like you have the right to find certain body types more appealing than others we have that same right. Everyone even fat folks treat people they find more visually appealing better than others. It has nothing to do with weight. That’s just how life goes. I don’t agree with bullying and name calling but the fact is people are going to treat those who are visually appealing better than those who aren’t most of the time in any setting
@futuristicgirl14 Жыл бұрын
I dunno, most thin people I know eat really balanced and healthy diets VS I have a few close friends that are overweight and their portion sizes are way different. I’ve seen skinny people eat badly and bigger people eat super healthy- but at the end of the day the real issue is balance and portion sizes and let’s stop pretending it’s genetics.
@futuristicgirl14 Жыл бұрын
Also parents need to be taking responsibility for teaching their kids healthy eating habits so the overweight kids who turn into overweight adults stop blaming society and genetics. Yes food deserts exist but that’s a whole other nuanced topic that goes more into racism and classism.
@ambermurray2862 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a "petite" figured black woman and what i hate hate hate hate hate is that theres this whole thing in the black community where if you're not super thick and hella curvy you aren't womanly enough. Some women even compare women like me to CHILDREN because we aren't super thick. i hate hearing people say it. Between that and social media it made me super insecure and pushes me to over eat just to gain more weight. i hate ittt
@arianatao4416 3 жыл бұрын
saaaaaame
@coreyhaga2623 3 жыл бұрын
Pay them no mind girl because when they get 60 years old walking with a cane because their knees are gone from packing all that weight , well I don’t have to say anything more 🙄
@amxliae 3 жыл бұрын
same
@tauqueishachester9844 3 жыл бұрын
Same but I get by cause I have a strong walk in am 5’1 with big boobs in a some booty but is still petite so my advice work on your walk like your the baddest
@Brunaa_Silvaa 3 жыл бұрын
@@coreyhaga2623 A reminder that we don’t need to put some down to bring others up. Yes, their bully-like behavior makes them susceptible to backlash, because if you’re mean you should be able to receive meanness back, but let’s not perpetuate the behavior we are fighting against. Just like she hates to be compared to a child or something of the sorts it is equally bad to downgrade the heavier body type by assuming they will age “badly” or suffer a worst future. Anyways both bodies are beautiful and nobody should assume nothing about others bodies. kiss kiss
@Stinkystunnedstinker 3 жыл бұрын
When people call skinny women "children" or say that they have a "child's body", I find it so creepy and disturbing. It also weirdly essentializes women to boobs and butts, despite the fact that being a woman is more complex than just being curvy. I do however think that fatphobia is more deeply rooted and hardcore than skinny shaming; for exemple, fat women are dehumanized by being called animal names and skinny women are infantilized by being called "children", even tho both parties are awful, being completly dehumanized because of your weight isn't on the same scale as being infantilized
@waitwhat55 3 жыл бұрын
I saw some women say "beauty standarts is looking like children, hairless body, big eyes, being skinny etc." but there are lots of women want to live like that, tor have these features on their body naturally. These people are playing blind when they want to, and call themselves" feminist, body positivity activist" and i hate it.
@Ihavemadeit999 3 жыл бұрын
@@waitwhat55 im a petite woman (4’9 ft and skinny) and the way ppl describe my body as ”children” makes me feel less ”womanish” and more childish.i wish people wouldnt compare bodies to eachhother or dragged a body type to uplift one.
@Nonyah123 3 жыл бұрын
@@waitwhat55 It's creepy that that is because of the male gaze and fertility though....the love of child like features is a societal issue. Asian girls are often relegated to this childlike thing and its creepy. Plus the school girl uniform. Childlike features are seen as 'hot' but hair, fatness, is associated with 'old woman, and pigs'.
@majlordag1889 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ihavemadeit999 5'3 + skinny here and same, in my country the average woman is like 5'6 thought. Many people just straight up treat me as a child. I'm 23..
@Ihavemadeit999 3 жыл бұрын
@@majlordag1889 Oh lord i feel u on that one,im an adult too (18). the treatement we get is A WHOLE ANOTHER DISCUSSION😭
@jo4210 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been fairly skinny for the majority of my life, but no matter how “small” I was, I always have a belly (I’ve got phat reproductive organs) but I also have a naturally athletic build so I’ve been skinny-shamed and fat-shamed and made fun of for looking like a boy, which I’ve always been androgynous and put effort into my androgyny so that never really bothered me. But I’ve Literally been told I look pregnant and told that I’m too bony in the same day. My family has even jokingly called me a bitch for being skinnier than them. Like I know it’s a joke and not a big deal, but it still hits hard sometimes. Like where do I fit? I was even really really motivated to go to the gym and stay in shape in high school, but convinced out of it because my parents said “I didn’t need it.” Now every time I work out or go to the gym, I have a sense of guilt for literally no reason. Now my mom gets annoyed when I tell her that I have digestive issues or a sore back because “I should’ve taken care of that when I was younger.” It fucking sucks lol
@Name-de1ij Жыл бұрын
I’ve gotten the “pregnant” thing too, I’ve also gotten “you look fat compared to your friends”. But the weird thing is that I lost some weight a couple years later and I’ve been asked if I had an eating disorder. I guess the moral here is, “be average weight but pray away the stomach fat”.
@sacek2174 Жыл бұрын
I feel you on soo many levels. People around me since I remember were commenting on my hair (which is curly and nobody thought me how to take care of it), my body or the way a beehived. The same day on the same thing I got three different opinions. Like how can a child process this!! You're to skinny also bit fat, to pale. You're hair is beautiful, terrible, diferent...? You're are so well beehived and quite.... Why are you never talking! I'll never get why people have the urge to comment on other persons appearance. Even if they are your family. You might tell your self that those are just words but it always gets to you in some way.
@homyachik 2 жыл бұрын
The medical topic hit me so hard. My father literally died, because his doctor overlooked his medical history and attributed all the symptoms to his weight. She said that he had to lose weight as fast as possible and he followed her advice going from 140 to 115kg in 8 months, but his heart gave in. During autopsy it was found out that there were a lot of scar tissue on his heart which had been caused by a heart attack 10 years before, so it would be absolutely dangerous for my father to exercise as it could put even more strain on the heart. Yet that was what the doctor told him to do - actively exercise to lose weight. Of course, he ended up having a heart failure. The doctor should have studied his medical history and underlying issues more instead of giving the most generic and lazy recommendation. I still can't fully forgive her. Maybe my father would be now alive if it wasn't for her.
@beautyandfashion1563 3 жыл бұрын
BULLYING IS NOT THE SAME THING AS OPRESSION😭 wish we all knew this
@armyvelvet1236 3 жыл бұрын
Fr like you can change your body it’s not like once your fat you’re fat until the day you die
@briannynunez4080 3 жыл бұрын
That is too true
@poiien7816 3 жыл бұрын
@@armyvelvet1236 you know how some people can eat all they want but never gain weight? it works in reverse too a lot of things go into body fat, not just caloric intake.
@liyahmoore603 3 жыл бұрын
@@armyvelvet1236 it's possible to gain weight just like it is to lose weight unless you have that one disease that uuum causes fatty tissue....i forgot what it was per say but i hope ukk what im talking about
@sunnight8287 3 жыл бұрын
@@poiien7816 trust me when I say those people only look like they eat a lot. They don’t eat as much as they do when they go out with friends once in a while. They really eat less on a regular basis.
@sophitiaofhyrule 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people disguise their fatphobia as ''concern''. I hate that so much. These people don't actually care, they just want to bully someone. I love how when a fat person exists everyone jumps on them telling them it's unhealthy as if they don't already know. Just leave them alone. Don't give them ''advice'' unless they ask for it. Just don't bother people.
@annabananaSplitz1 3 жыл бұрын
Lizzo has amazing breath control, can perform like no other and yet people call her fat and unhealthy. would an unhealthy person be able to perform like lizzo did, playing the clarinet for that long and not be out of breath? i'm a size 12/14 US 170lbs and i can't even walk briskly without running out of breath (yes, i'm overweight but i have PCOS and i'm struggling). it should be about health. being fat doesnt necessarily make you unhealthy. also, what size constitutes as fat?
@hbutter1306 3 жыл бұрын
Exercise and stamina doesn't lessen the effect of an unhealthy diet. One day the extra weight and side effects of eating crap catch up to you, your joints, your heart, your endocrine system, everything.
@Dee_Snuts27 3 жыл бұрын
@@hbutter1306 she's literally vegan, tf?
@touyaism7860 3 жыл бұрын
@@hbutter1306 here you are doing exactly what this comment is saying as if you really give two fucks about big people beyond them being big
@oh.hey.2045 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dee_Snuts27 French fries are vegan (not trying to say that Lizzo is unhealthy just that vegan foods can be unhealthy as well)
@Klimsy82696 2 жыл бұрын
Birth control caused blood clots in my lungs and landed me in the ICU, my hospital stay was 7 days total, one doctor had me convinced it was my weight. It wasn’t until a year later when my wonderful body neutral Gyno looked at me and said “I don’t understand what this had to do with your weight, what made you think that?” That I realized even that was just fat phobia in the medical field rearing it’s ugly head once again in my life. We won’t even talk all about how I was treated in that muthafvvcking hospital and two years later that $2000+ bill just ✨vanished✨, I assume someone reviewed the file and realized my family should have sued but we were more worried about me like ya know living that we didn’t go there.
@temmietemmieson6756 2 жыл бұрын
You’re really helping me learning things and deconstructing biases, thank you Tee Noir!
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad!
@skrittle555 3 жыл бұрын
i've been skinny shamed and fat shamed. the fat shaming hurt more. with skinny shaming, i could always write it off with "they must be jealous." because skinny is good, right? but i knew no one wanted to be me when i was fat. pretty fucked up.
@alyssapinon9670 3 жыл бұрын
Wow good way of putting it. Hope you are doing better now!
@corneliastreet2491 3 жыл бұрын
You just summed up my entire existence.
@trixieagustina6163 3 жыл бұрын
Though when I was skinny shamed, barely anyone wanted to be me either
@loveoflife3081 3 жыл бұрын
@@trixieagustina6163 It’s ok...if anything I’ve found that being ugly (in terms of society’s standards of beauty) I’ve been liberated. I can easily determine who actually gives af about me.
@haventseenhim 3 жыл бұрын
For me, skinny shaming hurts more. I’ve never been “fat” but I always felt that Id rather be fat than skinny because, people pick on you because you’re small and can’t fight, easier to get taken advantage of, and I’ve always felt, as a person with high metabolism, it is easier to lose weight than gain it.
@_SHOLISCO_ 3 жыл бұрын
It’s honestly annoying when skinny women can't talk about being skinny shamed without being jumped but at the same time we can realize that it’s NOT the same as fatphobic because I can be shamed for my body and still be ideal body, those things can coexist
@dreamyanon5151 3 жыл бұрын
I think they become the same conversation when fat positivity directly translates to demeaning skinny women or calling their bodies unrealistic. If fat positivity just stayed about accepting our bodies it wouldn't be a problem but it is in opposition of other bodies which just creates an issue rather than solving one. I do think fat shaming can be worst but there is a problem with the way we talk about it that's counterproductive.
@bandaqueenlove9134 3 жыл бұрын
RIGHT!! Thank you for acknowledging both
@oopsydaizy 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this so much 👏🏽
@renia1833 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime they talk about being skinny shamed people are like “But you’re the beauty standard why are you whining”🙃
@notky848 3 жыл бұрын
I agree! I was just talking about this with a plus sized person and they made the argument that because THEY like my body means that EVERYBODY likes my body. And even so, plenty of people hate things they feel they can't have. It's unfair to tell people they don't have to right to complain without paying attention to what they're going through.
@arnatri1503 2 жыл бұрын
I was always a chubby person, always a little over weight. I cannot say that my classmates or friends in school fat shamed me much.....sometimes I did hear a snarky comment or two mocking my weight, but then I made some ridiculing my body with them and kind of just laugh it off. But generally, people did not see me just as a fat person since I was good in studies, took up a lot of responsibility, was friendly and a teacher's pet. but one thing I did notice from the time I was very small is that people automatically assumed that I ate more because I wasn't skinny.....it was things like saving me an extra piece of cake in a birthday party or just feeding me more. And I did not at all mind it, because why the hell would I say no to an extra piece of cake? I was generally body confident, shutting down everyone (mostly family members) who criticized my weight. My mother would say things like, "You look big from the behind in those pants", and not let me wear certain types of clothes. I just did not care as I am not that into dressing up, shopping and stuff. I get terrible cramps during periods from when I was probably 12 yo (I was probably 6 kgs over weight then). One gynecologist I visited in 2019 (I was 18 yo)with terrible cramps did not even write me a prescription or ask me any questions about my cramps. She just looked at me, asked me to step up on the weighing machine and immediately said that I just needed to lose weight. Around this time, criticism from my parents and all other relatives was at an all time high....I finally gave in and decided to lose some weight in mid 2020. There was no diet and gym, I just walked for about 1 hr everyday. I lost about 17 kgs of weight in say 8 months......now everybody started commenting on how great I looked. I would get a lot more male attention than I used to ......and this is what broke me. This made me understand that I will look good in everyone's eyes only if I stayed in this shape till the day I die. I am worth as a person till I maintain my figure as society wants (big boobs, a moderate waist and big hips). I am way less body confident now, hella insecure, subconsciously trying to watch what I eat, always calculating calories. And now the same relatives and my parents who have caused me to go through all this say that I look too skinny (I absolutely don't) and try to force feed me. There is no winning afterall. Every criticism was supposedly for my own good and they criticised me because they want what's 'good' for me and I should not point out the harm their comments have caused me mentally. P.S: Even after losing so much weight, I still get terrible cramps.
@Rainjojo 2 жыл бұрын
Notice how people will add any big person to a “cringe acceptance comp” but a skinny person who might have an ED is “healthy” in their eyes. Why are people so obsessed with our bodies? Does it hurt to take care of your own and leave others be? So many times throughout my early teens I was body shamed for not being the “ideal” curvy type even tough I was a literal kid. They said I couldn’t do sports with a body like mine and it made me feel awful for years even though my size was medium. After a while I stopped eating a lot and developed an ed to lose weight and look acceptable, I’m still recovering but hate that the scars are still there
@KomatsuHB215LC-1 Жыл бұрын
Ppl like splotchmaker are still horrible ppl
@billionhappy 3 жыл бұрын
i also hate the stereotype that all anorexics are dangerously skinny especially when people talk about eating disorders, i have ednos and i have not lost a single pound since i’ve developed my eating disorder. anyone with any body type can have any eating disorder
@hkj1397 3 жыл бұрын
You do need to be underweight to fit the criteria for typical anorexia nervosa but not atypical anorexia. I think that is where the misconception comes from.
@billionhappy 3 жыл бұрын
@@hkj1397 yea ik but ive seen so many doctors be like “why no skinny??? no eating disorder u fat not skiny” edit: and also everyone i know with anorexia nervosa started out overweight and it took effect on their weight in like 2 years so that still is a pretty weak argument in my opinion
@samiasegero5484 3 жыл бұрын
ikr
@alyssapinon9670 3 жыл бұрын
@@hkj1397 or even if you’re not stick thin, losing a significant amount of weight for your body type.
@nathalie3601 3 жыл бұрын
or the idea that just because someone is skinny they have an eating disorder like what is it going to take for people to understand that these two are not equivalent???!!!
@alyssapinon9670 3 жыл бұрын
“Normalizing something doesn’t mean promoting it. It means minding your business if it exists and it’s not harming you.” Best take on normalizing fat bodies!!! This is why I’m subscribed. Even if I see someone in public who’s severely overweight or underweight I’m not going to go up and tell them how unhealthy they are because it’s not my place to do so and they probably already know! They’re just trying to exist
@eliana8834 3 жыл бұрын
Literally, it is not our job to “fix” someone when they’re just existing like leave them alone and fight your own demons you’re projecting 🤦🏾♀️
@ramiyahlee6108 3 жыл бұрын
Righttt people see a fat a fat person and suddenly they’re a nutrition 🤨
@rhahavyb 3 жыл бұрын
On top of that we have no idea WHERE that person is on that journey. you have no idea whether that person is honestly struggling with it everyday. I used to be 5’2 and 200 lbs and the ONLY way I got healthier was when I left and removed myself from people who commented on my weight. On top of that, I would be in THE PROCESS of losing weight (when you lose 20 lbs and you’re already bigger, people don’t notice that weight loss but YOU do), and people will still feel like they wanna put in their 2 cents bc they see a “fat person” and just that, a fat person, not a human being on a journey
@LoXena 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramiyahlee6108 So true when an overweight person post a selfie suddenly you see tons of Instadoctors on their comments.
@freerights6695 3 жыл бұрын
True but I think it's still good to have a society that encourages a healthy weight - not necessarily having no fat, but being extremely over/under weight shouldn't be something that's admired or promoted imo. It should be a temporary weight rather than a permanent one.
@kaikai2881 2 жыл бұрын
as someone who used to be a plus sized teen, i can confirm that fatphobia hurts more and does more damage than skinny shaming. an example being, when i was fatshamed i'd literally do anuthing in my power to eat less or avoid eating at any moment given. i was trying so hard to lose those kgs but with the wrong ways. but on the other hand, now that i am considerably on the skinnier side, even if people tell me "you're too skinny, eat" or "omg you're so skinny, you should be eating more than that" i don't do anything to change myself to fit what they say about me. cause i myself know that even if i am skinny shamed, i still fit into the beauty standard that people have given our society.
@Km10092 Жыл бұрын
As someone who was once also a plus sized teen and has been on BOTH sides of the spectrum, I say that we need to stop making this the Opression Olympics. People have varying experiences with fatphobia and skinny shaming, and my perspective is that they are both harmful in unique ways. One is not more or less than the other. Let’s stop minimizing others’ experiences. Think about this. Imagine someone whose child died walking up to another person whose sibling died and telling them that their loss isn’t as bad because that person lost a sibling, not a child. Why is trauma being compared? Regardless, they are both losses that are uniquely painful in their own way. One is not inherently “more painful”, it really depends on the person experiencing it. I apply the same thinking to this debate. Of course a person who is considered fat will face different struggles than a naturally very thin person. And of course, the degree of shaming varies from person to person, but to invalidate a thin person just because their body type may be considered “closer” to the beauty standard is still harmful (especially seeing how the beauty standard in America shifts all over the place).
@terushimasbandtee Жыл бұрын
@@Km10092 not gonna write an essay for this but it's not really invaliating a skinny person's problems when you are considering how fatphobia is systemic and how skinny people would never be systemically oppressed like how fat people are.
@Km10092 Жыл бұрын
@@terushimasbandtee Okay but does that somehow means that their experience is less? You realize that no matter what, fat or skinny, society is gonna pressure people to change their bodies. My point is that the experience is subjective. Yes plenty of larger people experience horrible bullying and shaming. I’m not denying that (I have experienced it myself), but there are also many who haven’t had to go through that. On the other hand there are many skinny people who are literally body shamed by fat people (has also happened to me multiple times). My point is saying that fat shaming isn’t in itself implicitly “worse”, it depends on your personal experience. Either way, shaming anyone for their body is harmful.
@terushimasbandtee Жыл бұрын
@@Km10092 you're speaking in an individual sense which can vary, you are correct about that. However systemic oppression also affects individual experience which is shared by people of all that body type. You fail to mention this, but for example systemic oppression such as media and TV which most people I say watch. There is very little representation for fat people and when there is, the characterization is nothing beyond comical relief (not always the case but still is majorly). This will affect fat people in away it won't affect skinny people which takes away from individual experience. Then there's diet culture, the fact that fatphobia is rooted in racism, classissm and capitalism. Not saying skinny shaming isn't valid, I'm saying that fat shaming is a more rooted and has more severity. Though it is wrong for both types of shaming.b
@captainwartburger2571 Жыл бұрын
@@terushimasbandtee yeahhh but it is invalidating if we didn’t make “beauty standards in the media” the purpose of the convo. It’s when the topic is just skinny/fat shaming and the go-to defense is “but you guys fit the beauty standard” so what??? It’s no diff than when women say they want a breast reduction and a bunch of men come in saying “but we like your boobs” like ok but who gives a shit?
@emilinebee6280 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if this is just something I have observed personally, but it seems like black people think "skinny" is an insult and white people think it's a compliment. I'm curious if anyone else has noticed this. It's kind of ridiculous both ways, IMO. Like, anorexia shouldn't be the ideal female body, but some people are just naturally skinny.
@hadiyahmuh385 2 жыл бұрын
yes a hundred percent my white friends talk about thigh gaps being a thing in 10th grade but in highschool I was made fun of for being skinny lol
@rd3munna812 Ай бұрын
Anorexia and being skinny are totally different thing all anorexia people are unhealthy but not all skinny people are unhealthy. I'm skinny person even my doctor told me that I'm in a healthy weight
@shantanakillingbeck332 3 жыл бұрын
One thing about Khloe Kardashian is I remember when I was younger people would say she is the “ugly sister” and “fat sister” wayyyy back when the first episode of KUWTK aired. I think she has more going on then what people think 😞
@Eyeluv2d 3 жыл бұрын
My friends bf told me I looked like khloe when I was 16 and I was pissed Ngl
@hiwelcometochillis2579 3 жыл бұрын
Aren't all of them were described as "the ugly or unusual beauty" ? In the 2000's people said they were exotic looking
@jude2032 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiwelcometochillis2579 Likely because 99% of women on tv in the 2000's were skinny white women...
@xander_k_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiwelcometochillis2579 Everyone thought Kim and Kourtney were hot back then, at least that’s how it seemed when I was a kid.
@ToniCarrington 3 жыл бұрын
@@lividsunshine8968 how/when did Kathy imply that? She’s a whole comedian and gets along fine with kris Jenner and lived next door to Kim & Kanye at one point. She was also one of the first ones to call out Ellen DeGeneres when nobody believed her.
@SubSalicylate 3 жыл бұрын
Can we also talk about how fat representation in media has to ALWAYS be tied to a lack of confidence? Like you can be fat and a confident person at the same time, and I think that’s the representation that people need. Edit: also it’s so fucking upsetting that the beauty standards on black women are so strict and specific, while white women are accepted in a larger spectrum of body size.
@RIZEArtStudios 3 жыл бұрын
The fat person is either the insecure person or the comedian. Never the lead in something serious
@TheDilemma76 3 жыл бұрын
I also hate that the fat people that are shown in media, especially models, still conform to a lot of beauty standards. Their fat is in the right place. The breasts are larger, along with the hips and bum, but the stomach area is still relatively flat.
@janelleslayss 3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to the fat shaming VS skinny shaming it’s still *body shaming*.You can’t tell a skinny girl “Oh you should be happy with the way you look” or “You shouldn’t be upset when people tell you need to eat a burger, because your skinny” “and you don’t have to go through the things that fat people go through” doesn’t matter what your body size is there is NO IDOL BODY! But to most men they want something to “hold” all about the big butt and tits.
@pizzarolls7719 3 жыл бұрын
@@janelleslayss Yeah, but one is worse.
@janelleslayss 3 жыл бұрын
@@pizzarolls7719 yea it’s bad but still we should treat everyone equally and not try to compare them and saying they are different. But still it’s body shaming and we need to treat everyone with the same respect. Remember body positivity isn’t just for big girls it’s use to be about people with disabilities and scars and things they cannot control and sometimes fat in the stomach. But now it’s just all about big girls now, but when it comes to a desirable body or someone who’s not big people will mostly come at them since most of the audience is woman and mostly sometimes people praise fat people to feel more confident and they want them to stay fat so they don’t look better then them that’s what most of these compliments are for to support this bad behavior and people are just sometimes supporting unhealthy big girls and are supporting an unhealthy life style without even pointing it out. It’s just a competition for being the best-
@Littlemissstardust 2 жыл бұрын
My therapist once told “your body is the physical boundries with the outside world.” It came to my mind, nobody should talk about how the way your body looks unless you want them to do because these are your boundries!!
@lottielootens698 2 жыл бұрын
This was so eye-opening to me as as a skinny person because normally i feel like i'm being attacked but this wasn't a fight between people's sizes, it was education, and one we all needed i think.
@KomatsuHB215LC-1 Жыл бұрын
Body neutrality is best
@emilyartful 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment about forcing yourself to finish a meal hit home so hard.
@adricsoti3719 3 жыл бұрын
same🤚😭 high school flashbacks
@jorilysmatos69 3 жыл бұрын
I can't even do that, my ARFID will make me throw up after forcing the food down.
@HiHello-cw9vc 3 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 haha *same*
@jittybug4188 3 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 omg I cannot relate to a comment MOREEE! 😭
@toomuchpassion2361 3 жыл бұрын
My experiences were the opposite. I remember being so hungry that I wanted to eat all of my food, but I stop halfway and tell everyone that I was full so that they wouldn't call me a fatty.
@a.patel1 3 жыл бұрын
i do understand that the kardashians made beauty standards so imaginable impossible to achieve, but i can’t help but think that they went and got the “perfect body” because of beauty standards that were already in place. they just had the funds to follow them to a tee and make people think it was achievable.
@TeeNoir 3 жыл бұрын
This is a fair assessment
@tamaraj4745 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100 percent
@roxie6884 3 жыл бұрын
people also always conveniently forget that they cyberbullied the kardashians over their appearances.
3 жыл бұрын
but their cement-filled diaper booties aren't beautiful, I think a skinny body with perky boobs and a booty is a higher beauty standard than chubby centaur butts
@graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 3 жыл бұрын
Johannes Tesssema I think trying to state which bodies are preferable is missing the point of the video. What does it matter if boobs are perky? What does it matter if a woman has "centaur butt"? Doesn't that still put down women with saggier chests, and women with wide hips & larger rear ends?
@toadt0ad 2 жыл бұрын
i’ve been fat like my whole life n even i sometimes find myself being like “at least i’m not _that_ big” or like judging ppl for certain outfits bc i could never show my bigger body in the ways they do and it’s so disappointing that even i think anti-body pos stuff as a fat person myself. it’s so ingrained in me that because i’ve been in high school and haven’t lost much weight like my mom did when she was my age, i started to j think it was inevitable that i would never be desirable solely bc of my fat body. idk if that makes sense but i’m 17 rn so thankfully i’m still young and have come to appreciate my body earlier on in life but yeah it rlly feels like the odds are stacked against you as a fat person.
@jahnavibarot3654 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who said it! I've been on both sides of the spectrum and let me tell you! BEING FAT/CHUBBY IS 1000X WORSE! I used to be very flat and shit...near exam times I'd loose couple kilos in a month (I'm a medical student so the amount of stress was too much and i lost weight when stressed). I was later on covid duty by the government and got covid and got super sick so I just used to sit my ass down all day for months.Plus i started binge eating when I got stressed instead...(I used to puke up meals when i was younger and thinner too).So i got chubby and borderline fat.It's so horrible like the audacity...people tell you how pretty you used to be and what happening omg did you put on weight.You got fat.Like try a diet...HOW IS THAT YOUR BUSINESS??? Even if you're super skinny ... society and most people adore and want your body...sure a few people skinny same you and that's wrong....but 10X the amount want to be you.When you're fat ... no one wants to be you. Suddenly thats your whole personality.Just fat.
@KomatsuHB215LC-1 Жыл бұрын
But if ure like poker thin, no one would wanna be a stick.
@leila.7754 Жыл бұрын
It’s quite embarrassing that a lot of times, fat women who choose to stay the way they are use the “everyone wants to be you” bs to invalidate a skinny girl whenever she says she’s insecure of her body. I think all of them know ALREADY that they’re the socially ideal body. They just want you to shut the f!ck up and not jump them cause they have an insecurity
@Jujulianap Жыл бұрын
The truth is society really believes that thin people are superior.
@Stettafire Жыл бұрын
Don't be like that. No ones misery is better or worse then anyone elses
@lalac7207 3 жыл бұрын
I've been skinny shamed and fat shamed. My overall response is "F them." I looked good either way. If u don't love it, then move around.
@alexiabowen4035 3 жыл бұрын
I know that’s right... f their feelings🤞🏾
@herlittledove 3 жыл бұрын
I got skinny shamed and fat shamed as well ... when I was skinny, I sometimes could not eat, as I only thaught about eating as a duty (people would give me like comments to eat instead of saying "enjoy your meal"; nobody ask, wether I chose to be skinny or if it was rather a given to circumstances), not pleasure, and when I weight more people always commented my behind and bust ... but partly they were jealous caus my proportions were always good. I hope You feel good in Your body. I rather focus on my soul right now. Gives me peace and my weight has come to a "normal" weight.
@esem1367 3 жыл бұрын
That’s so sad frustrating and true. Totally understand the feeling of both. I was bullied relentlessly for being fat. I lost weight became super obsessively healthy and lost a lot of weight. Lost all my curves and got bullied for that. I’ve never been ok with my weight.
@herlittledove 3 жыл бұрын
@@esem1367 oh I hope You find peace I realized, that the best is to please God... People are always going to look for a reason to complain
@eautifuleagle4776 3 жыл бұрын
Right, don't hang around rain clouds because then you'll become one.
@user-kl4vz5oj8c 3 жыл бұрын
As a 14 year old girl i wanna give my perspective, if im too skinny, i dont eat enough or i need some “meat on my bones”, if im chubby, its gross or im disgusting, if im curvy im “looking for attention”. We could never win🙂
@chenmae9747 3 жыл бұрын
Your literally 14, live your life, eat a lot (Be healthy, don’t go overboard.) You’ll gain and loose that weight when getting more older
@bluevillsplash 3 жыл бұрын
Be a child please. Enjoy ☺️ your childhood 1st before you get harmed by this bs. Stay active and eat wise. Your weight may fluctuate, it may not. I'm the same 116 for over a 15yrs. I'm more shocked to gain weight than lose it. Most ppl don't know ish. They know what they wish they looked like and project that bs on you. Enjoy your health.
@slaymarie_rdh_ntraining 3 жыл бұрын
You’re exactly right, so all in all do what makes you happy ppl always gonna talk
@NubianQueen_xo 3 жыл бұрын
Your experience is valid ❤️🙏🏾. When I was 14, I went through the same thing. I’ll be turning 26 soon as I still deal with the same comments. My advice to you would be to take it a day at a time and know that you are beautiful. Take pictures of yourself to uplift your confidence and also point out everything you like about yourself. I still do it to this day and it gets me through. Love yourself darling!💕💖 P.s- when you get to this age (26) just know it’s wild how many people will be searching for themselves. But, you’ll already know yourself because you stayed true to you the whooole time! Keep going!! ✨🙌🏾.
@Bakerygo 3 жыл бұрын
I 'm 33 and I have heard similar comments in my life.
@itsthatmuffin_4114 Жыл бұрын
It's like if your skinny female it's a problem, if you're chubby It's a problem, if you don't have the hour glass shape (curvy with nice body, big breast, flat stomach, and big butt) It's a problem. It's like I'm so sick and tired of this society this world.
@painexotic3757 Жыл бұрын
people are insane and want to be triggered over everything nowadays.
@itsthatmuffin_4114 Жыл бұрын
@@painexotic3757 exactly
@KomatsuHB215LC-1 Жыл бұрын
Worlds gone mad
@soupcat4143 11 ай бұрын
@@painexotic3757"raaaah how DARE these insignificant FEMALES even want to be treated like actual human beings and not objects for MY personal pleasure 😡😡😡" grow up jfc
@painexotic3757 11 ай бұрын
@@soupcat4143 part of being a grown up is ignoring opinions from strangers. You ironically need to grow up if you take random comments from people seriously lmao
@elle_rose_xx 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had anorexia since I was 13. Fat phobia ruined my life. But now I get shamed for having small boobs and a small butt and it’s like WHY CAN NO ONE WIN. the popular slimthick body is unachievable for most people and from my understanding it’s taken from a fetishisation of a certain type of black figure and it’s so weird that we just cherry pick which race which type which body is cool at the moment. I am so tired of it.
@devillass6025 3 жыл бұрын
People are all about minding their own business until they see someone that looks or act different than them.
@Rayglisse 3 жыл бұрын
due to the projection they make _themselves_ in their own heads too!
@JadetheGoober 3 жыл бұрын
I wish we could send them all to their own island to judge each other
@nadirimyers6643 3 жыл бұрын
“When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression” 💯
@gimmeyourankles 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using this for the rest of my life, facts 📣
@roxywyndham 3 жыл бұрын
💯 facts!
@bandaqueenlove9134 3 жыл бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾
@ap3055 3 жыл бұрын
women mostly relate to that quote. They say they want equality but want to keep the benefits of traditionalism and modernism.
@littlem9865 3 жыл бұрын
@@ap3055 what? This comment is low-key for white people and men. The only women with privilege are white women because of their race.
@Willowthedestroyer123 2 жыл бұрын
Whether you're skinny or fat society will never be pleased with you. It sucks! I've been underweight my whole life and get shamed for it CONSTANTLY, but when other people like me start gaining weight they get shamed for being too pudgy. Its horrible. The "ideal" human body is a woman with large or average breasts, little to know stomach fat, and simultaneously big thighs and a large butt. That is the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard of. Its almost purely genetic. I really don't see why people can't just leave it at preferences. You dont have to be attracted to all body types, but you dont have to shame those with body types you arent attracted to either.
@LunaOrgana 2 жыл бұрын
My family: “Aye Mija, you’re so skinny, you need to eat more” or “you have no curves, when will your boobs/hips grow in” ….My family after I ask for seconds: “that’s so much, you’re going to get a bonsa”
@bella-gq8gt 2 жыл бұрын
aye cariño, my tia does the same to me. it’s really confusing bc i’m 4’11 and 105, with muscular thighs and i kinda developed early for most girls my age.
@tiffanyferg 3 жыл бұрын
omg just a few hours ago I was like “where’s Tee?? 🥺” so I’m stoked to see this but also yes always take your time!! 💞
@elliegood7547 3 жыл бұрын
same
@alyssaallan8833 3 жыл бұрын
I just came from your channel! Nice to see you here too 😊
@welcome2theedawn 3 жыл бұрын
Omg my fave supporting my other fave 🙏🏼
@meliycon-roma4112 3 жыл бұрын
literally same
@princestory26 3 жыл бұрын
legends only!!!!! omg i hope yall collab
@pipermeloche7915 3 жыл бұрын
As a fat person it means the world to me when skinny allies speak out about fatphobia. Thank you for making such a perfect video and spotlighting fat voices in the process. Also the podcast recommendations in this video were immaculate - she's all fat, maintenence phase, and you're wrong about are some of my favorites!!
@Lh-pq4np 3 жыл бұрын
As a thin girl anytime a fat person says something about body positivity it's always right!!! I agree every time. I've been skinny shamed and I STAND up for fat bodies. Much love ❤️❤️
@starlight9857 3 жыл бұрын
SKINNY ALLIES- why is that so funny to me💀💀
@djordjezlatkovic7087 3 жыл бұрын
Idc about how anyone looks,but as someone who is in college to become health professional i will ALWAYS advise everyone to reduce their body fat ,cause there is strong corelation with diabetes and CV problems. And i don't think that's fatfobia,but would love to hear your thoughts on it🥰
@sup3rnatural__ 3 жыл бұрын
@@djordjezlatkovic7087 it’s not your job to give people health advice that don’t seek it. if they don’t ask for your professional opinion on what they should do with their body then you shouldn’t be telling anyone anything. people like you love to act like bigger people don’t know that having fat can be harming for SOME people’s health. like... we know!!! and get berated for it by every doctor visit. the fact of the matter is that if they ask for your medical opinion about losing fat? cool but if you’re going around “giving advice” to complete strangers that aren’t your clients then fuck off.
@djordjezlatkovic7087 3 жыл бұрын
@@sup3rnatural__ first of all, i think u can say a lot of thing u just said in a nicer tone,i don't get the urge to be so rude,but ok,u choose how u present yourself online. Since obesity is global pandemic in a way,i do think that advocating for a healthie way of living sholud definitely be present in various platforms,and of course doing it in a respectful way without offending anyone.
@dannylieberwirth1784 Жыл бұрын
i discovered your channel today and i really wish i'd seen it a long time ago. i love how you treat conversations like ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS, bring different people together, and promote intersectionality on all these topics. im really grateful, this is gonna really help me learn about stuff since im not really in the social media game enough to pick up on things.
@Mariana-jb4pn 2 жыл бұрын
I was skinny shamed and fat shamed, and both suck tbh, but I think people take the fat shaming to a more extreme level. I felt dirty and disgusted when I was “fat”, my own family called me a pig, I hated my body so much, and I wasn’t even overweight.
@bhargavi49 3 жыл бұрын
I'm is so distraught about the fact that Justin's therapist BODY SHAMED HIM. A THERAPIST. I'm so disgusted and horrified that a child had to go through that when he was seeking help. It takes emotional courage to go to any sort of therapy and it shocks me to see unprofessionalism in a workspace where being vulnerable is key. I've had struggles with my body as well and I swear, if my therapist ever told me to 'work' on my weight I would have spiralled. Sending love to all the people who are still battling loving their bodies and embracing who they are. Hopefully, you will find good and kind resources to help with your journey.
@Ash-pp6yt 3 жыл бұрын
I think I would have just never gone back and have gone to the toilet and cried for some time, smh. When i heard it at first i thought she was trying maybe to be helpful as a health professional but bruhhhhh... so painful to hear, i hope she got fired and her liscence taken away. Medical professionals really have to be careful with what they say and do. I've already heard similar things so i can relate, kinda.
@Frwill126 3 жыл бұрын
And had she focused on the other things instead, that probably would have addressed what she felt was a weight problem! Sometimes people do find comfort in food but she didn’t even give him a chance to see if that was an issue for him. She should have been guiding him instead
@aquaaria3489 3 жыл бұрын
And it isn't even her job
@emilyvera8538 3 жыл бұрын
It's should be a sin as a health specialist to disconnect our mental health from the physical health, they go hand by hand!
@vjapple3083 3 жыл бұрын
A therapist shamed me for not crying or feeling sad when talking about an emotional movie. It happens
@janet7995 3 жыл бұрын
For those of us that have been both skinny and overweight… XOXO we know the bull💩 is real.
@Marriedbratt 3 жыл бұрын
I swear they use to say my mom didn’t feed me and now they saying I’m to big
@sommungchisblinkifyoureate6307 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marriedbratt sis same, what the hell?!?
@loveoflife3081 3 жыл бұрын
Right!!!! 🤣
@ibeabea4073 3 жыл бұрын
Yeeeees 🙏🏻 I’m really hurt by this video because I had very similar experiences like the people in this video. I was at the ER and got send home because my doctor thought my symptoms existed because of my underweight and I for sure got treated differently and looked down by my colleges. And the whole message of this video is yeah skinny shaming is bad but fat shaming is worse.
@janet7995 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marriedbratt same. I know how family can be...either you put on some weight, or you're too thin.
@liuba2698 2 жыл бұрын
Jee, girl, thank you so much for bringing the topic up! As an overweight I struggled fulfilling some bulletpoints of why bodypositivity DOES NOT promote unhealthiness, just was trying to stop shaming, cause it is so hard to handle the social pressure. Just know that what you do does help people a lot, may be even save lives for some ❤
@bear4045 2 жыл бұрын
I think we need to understand most plus size models have a very defined jaw structure. You can be extremely skinny or large but having a slim face will actually change the way society views you. You could be skinny and have a round circular chubby face and society might view you differently. Your features contribute to how society views you.
@lareinadivestinesa2184 2 жыл бұрын
That's literally me. I'm a medium and I have a round/square face
@bear4045 2 жыл бұрын
@@lareinadivestinesa2184 still beautiful don't Matter. I have a double chin but im like 120.
@lareinadivestinesa2184 2 жыл бұрын
@@bear4045 Oh ok
@brennam954 2 жыл бұрын
That's definitely true. There is privilege in how you carry your weight for sure.
@bear4045 2 жыл бұрын
Not hating. Everyone is beautiful, just saying my opinion. I love everything about people don't matter your size. Beauty is everywhere. Salena gomez makes me proud of my double chin.
@lazeee1386 3 жыл бұрын
this expectation for me to be curvy and slim but thick at the same time just because I was latina was put on me by almost every guy I talked to for as long as I can remember, even now. It's scary when people push body expectations on anyone especially CHILDREN...lord.
@bluelight2681 3 жыл бұрын
truue💗
@bbavrse 3 жыл бұрын
same. especially because i was the one in my family that was thinner than the rest (and also paler than the rest since my dad isn't hispanic) i was being told to "eat more" and that i need to gain more weight from not only men but from my family members
@michellealvarado7411 3 жыл бұрын
I always felt like I had to either look like Salma Hayek or a supermodel to be deemed attractive enough to be worthy of existence.
@nealaholoqueen2551 3 жыл бұрын
I heard someone say to Latina women “You could be a baby and look hot” 🤦🏾♀️
@michellealvarado7411 3 жыл бұрын
@@nealaholoqueen2551 Ew, what's wrong with people? I'm also sick of the fetishization of Latina women. It can be empowering now, when I specifically decide to play into it, but I hate when sexuality is projected onto me by strangers solely because of my ethnicity. My whole childhood and adolescence I felt like I had to fit the mold of the "sexy Latina" in order to play the part of my ethnic identity properly, and that being sexual was something required of me. That messed me up a lot when I was getting the brunt of Catholic purity culture and failed to fit all of the different images expected of me by society, my community, my peers, and my family.
@fia4461 3 жыл бұрын
someone mentioned on TikTok, “As A Skinny person, would you choose to be a fat person? And not Slim-thick body type. Would you choose to be fat?” She mentions how majority of Women would not want to be fat but mainly all fat women want to be skinny
@yasminluck970 3 жыл бұрын
Because too much body fat has a negative effect on one's health
@user-qf4xw1ov4y 3 жыл бұрын
Well that's pretty known isn't it? I mean, everyone wants privilege, it's easier living while privileged. Why would one choose to go out of their way to face oppression or difficulties
@effortlesslynj 3 жыл бұрын
@@yasminluck970 and eating disorders to stay skinny doesn’t? If you’re fatphobic just say that
@effortlesslynj 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-qf4xw1ov4y you missed the point privilege or not the mistreatment of big people doesn’t equate To the mistreatment of skinny people
@Zeverinsen 3 жыл бұрын
Most people would *want* to be their best and healthiest self. Most people would indeed choose to magically get a healthy and toned body if they could. But a few people don't care about that, to some people being fat is a fetish thing, or simply their preference.
@ryleerose8547 Жыл бұрын
im new to your channel but something i love and admire is how you include interviews and conversations with folks that are affected by the topic at hand
@user-hm2ou7iy6s 3 ай бұрын
I found you this morning, and have spent the entire work day listening to you, i just wanted to pop in and say thank you. your way of approaching subject matters is so sensitive and nuanced. I truely appreciate it, and have LOTS of your videos to check out.
@morganking7176 3 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest difference, as someone who has been shamed for both, is that even when someone is insulting you for being skinner, you are still being called the societal norm.
@nightlightslove 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss, when I was so skinny my mom took me to the dr bc she thought I was anemic, I low key felt proud. She is also the one who is always reminding me to lose weight but whatever.
@lenab.m.3708 3 жыл бұрын
not as a black woman..it's actually the opposite
@alyssapinon9670 3 жыл бұрын
Truth!
@Knrr-yr2dd 3 жыл бұрын
I got shamed for both but being skinny-shamed got to me more because girl, I'd been busting my ass for the sake of my health and all I got from women was more bullying.
@lavenderr77 3 жыл бұрын
But what about being called anorexic? Anorexia is not a societal norm. It’s an illness and insulting to the community of people who actually struggle with it.
@yourlocalwusswithafartingk1536 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna say, being slim thick/curvy is the standard. You have to be skinny but not too skinny, curvy but only in the right places, thigh gaps but also having thick thighs, no cellulite, no stretch marks, the list goes on, and god forbid dare to embrace your body, sexuality, or love yourself in general because ofc the beauty world won't profit off of that.
@linnetteresendiz 2 жыл бұрын
FACTSS 🙁
@Katsuni_565 2 жыл бұрын
I'm slim thick and I still get nasty comments. Nobody knows what they want anymore
@janelleslayss 2 жыл бұрын
I have been skinny shamed in my elementary years. These 3 black boys would always skinny shame me because of my body size. Skinny is only the standard in the white community who doesn’t like a skinny Regina George? And also in Korea. In the black community everyone expects us to look like Megan or any thick rapper woman-
@emilyohana9318 2 жыл бұрын
@@janelleslayss i have never been skinny shamed but family members were always curious why even after recovering from anorexia i still looked like a stick but i told em thats how i built. They werent rude at all even my therapist asked it but i will admit since my parents got work and they dont have time make food and since im not the kind of person ti snack i still kinda undereat again cuz i legit suck at making food
@Pink_pr1ncess 2 жыл бұрын
@Jisoo Jun I know I wish people would understand that
@user-sn4ug9wb3v 2 жыл бұрын
the amount of joy i got from u plugging maintenance phase is insane, i fuckin LOVE THAT PODCASTTTTT
@whatshernameagain69yearsag63 2 жыл бұрын
As a queer fat black girl, I love you and your channel. Society makes me forget I can be beautiful and still be myself. While I want to lose weight for health reasons, you made me realize I’m beautiful while I’m still fat. I can still be comfortable in my femininity. And no one can tell me any different.
@dianarivera6521 3 жыл бұрын
I was 236lbs last year. I gained so much weight after pregnancy. I finally did something and I lost 80lbs, and so many people feel comfortable telling me that I am now “too thin”.. but yet when I was fat no one said hey you’re gaining a lot of weight. I am now back to my pre pregnancy weight it took me 4 years. My bad habits were out of control, and now I’m all about my health I am “too thin.” It’s crazy.. Being fat I had to love myself. Now that I am skinny I have to love myself. It’s all about loving yourself, and the skin you’re in.
@no-one00 3 жыл бұрын
Omg that’s what happened to me too
@skrittle555 3 жыл бұрын
almost exactly what happened to me! no one said anything about my weight at my heaviest. now that i'm down 70 lbs they're all suddenly entitled to comment. what is this nonsense?! i almost feel like they thought they had nothing positive to say at my heaviest so they just said nothing. but skinny is good so they can't help but comment now? if that's it then YIKES. but hard agree. i loved myself at my heaviest and i love myself now
@stepxurxgamexup 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this because ppl in the comments are truly acting as if skinny ppl don’t get rude remarks REGULARLY in comparison to when someone is heavier smh
@spookyspaghett1 3 жыл бұрын
@@stepxurxgamexup Wait... huh?
@linasayshush 3 жыл бұрын
I've had that happened to me and in my experience, they're trying to compliment you. There is no way of turning "you're too fat" into a compliment, but in our society, women can't ever really be too thin. People feel more confident commenting about your weight when you're thin because being thin isn't a problem.
@jackriver8385 3 жыл бұрын
There's also some subtle ableism hidden in the whole thing of people "just caring about health." There's plenty of people who cannot ever be healthy and it shouldn't make anyone less of a person and definitely shouldn't make anyone less deserving of being seen.
@astoldbynickgerr 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing that out 💙💙💙
@alyssapinon9670 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! It’s good to be as healthy as you possibly can be, but health shouldn’t determine your worth as a person.
@maangelac 3 жыл бұрын
PERIOD
@donnamoydenton6156 3 жыл бұрын
This. 100%. And it's also like... you're not their doctor so how about you mind your own business and pay attention to your own health??
@bigasspockets 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. So often the people who make fat phobic comments “to help them be healthy” overlook the fact that people deserve decency and respect independently of how healthy they are. So weird
@barbaraosorio2002 2 жыл бұрын
as a bigger person, i have a lot of internalized fat phobia that comes from self hatred and my upbringing thank you so much for this video
@Maloloke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so so thankful that I found this video ! thank you so much for making this . I appreciate it so much !!
@swededontknow 3 жыл бұрын
I think my biggest issue with people being like "it's unhealthy to be that overweight im trying to help you!!" is like babe??? who asked you??? even if they're unhealthy, it's not your damn business to berate them over it. you can be a decent human being while saying "hey are you doing ok?" when you notice more symptoms than them just gaining weight. literally there is no reason to badger someone over their weight in the name of health because it is entirely possible to be concerned for someone's health without being fat phobic
@tiffniejackson7399 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Do these same people approach individuals while they are smoking and tell them how concerned they are about their health? How about when attending a sporting event and seeing people throw back several beers, does the same individual go up to these people with a deep concern about THEIR health? Let's stop the fake concern about others' "health" and be honest about our own issues with fatness and how it makes many of us feel very uncomfortable. We must recognize how we have been conditioned to feel this way about large bodies.
@annaeddleman6739 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with this is also that the media has conditioned us into thinking that everyone can and needs to fit into their ideal body type. The truth is that some people are just naturally bigger and some are just naturally smaller. This is super dangerous bc it makes stuff like what you’re saying happen. I mean, it fuels discrimination not to mention extreme self esteem issues
@criticalthinkingconcubus 3 жыл бұрын
I hate it when influencers, gym rats, and health fanatics shame fat people and call it “tough love.” Calling a stranger minding their own business a whale or encouraging them to be bulimic is not love. If they really loved them, they’d politely reach out to them and offer advice. If the person rejects them, then they should leave them alone and move on. Also do those people not realize that skinny people can be just as unhealthy as fat people? Skinny people can have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, lethargy, and diabetes. I doubt that those people who brag about being able to eat Big Macs and large pizzas for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and stay a size 6 without exercise are the pinnacle of health.
@tosinakin2508 3 жыл бұрын
@@criticalthinkingconcubus This! The assumption that skinny people are just healthy by default is so annoying. Skinny people can be just as unhealthy if not more so than fat people. They just don't have an obvious tell, so no one bothers to question their lifestyle. The most infuriating thing is that many thin, fat-phobic people don't bother to exercise or eat right themselves They are deeply unhealthy. It's like they see healthy practices as a means to skinniness instead of an actual lifestyle choice.
@nalea7051 3 жыл бұрын
that happens to me all the time as a skinny person can just be standing there and one of my mom's friends can just start talking about different meds that can take to gain weight or they would say "don't worry, you're gonna be a REAL big girl" and I was in disbelief 😭
@soleillouise8955 3 жыл бұрын
"It is completely normal to gamble with your health in pursuit of skinniness" EXACTLY THAT. my eating disorder almost killed me- but it was viewed as "health". The exercise, the calorie restriction, the refusal to even drink enough- it was viewed as healthy. I recieved more hate for my body when I recovered than when I was in the deepest parts of my illness.
@soleillouise8955 3 жыл бұрын
@@AllTheArtsy when did i say that that healthy eating WAS anorexia- the quote was about neglecting your health in pursuit of weight loss. that isn't a healthy relationship with food?? i really don't know what point you're trying to make.
@james__anna_burns4885 3 жыл бұрын
@@AllTheArtsy it WAS viewed as healthy when it happened. what do you not understand
@debontheweb588 3 жыл бұрын
how was it viewed as healthy?
@frnk708 3 жыл бұрын
@@AllTheArtsy I think you misunderstood them. maybe they viewed it as healthy at the time without realizing it was detrimental. and some people on the outside might assume someone is becoming "healthier" when they lose weight if they don't realize that the weight loss is actually the result of an eating disorder.
@LoveAndSnapple 3 жыл бұрын
People have said, “Maybe you should skip a few meals…” or people say that they would never deny their child food…until they realize that their child REALLY likes food…
@emmah1750 2 жыл бұрын
I hate that people feel as though they have any room to speak about anyone’s body negatively.
@shamiaguala2992 2 жыл бұрын
yo watching this & really listening to your words really made me cry & it just brought up some unhealed real trauma i have within myself. i definitely needed this. i’m 20, 5’0, and never been over 160 lbs…. why was i taking all the weight loss & detox pills, wearing spanks, waist trainers, everything all by the age of 15… it’s really blowing my mind right now. younger me thinking i would be a plus size model.. crazy how influenced & brainwashed. i know this is about shaming & phobia but this is where my mind went LMAO & i had to type this cause i don’t have anyone to say these thoughts too. LOVE your content 🤍
@faemaiden5090 3 жыл бұрын
As a woman with Birthmarks (think vitiligo but reversed) I really wish the body positivity movement wasn't so focused on who has it worse (because someone always has it worse). I really wish it wasn't so focused on weight, sometimes it's more focused on weight then mainstream society. I wish the message was more Your body isn't something you should get your worth out of, and respect everyone. All this infighting is doing nothing but making people angry and insecure.
@jacqlynberkoh2175 3 жыл бұрын
That's what it was originally for, those that have ' deformities' that can not be controlled by oneself but it became more of a cult were people found popularity and meaning to justify sh!tty individuals and there laziness and manipulation. Like literally Tess Holiday and Lizzo literally had to hide themselves exercising and trying different diets because they were not body positive ( fat). They play ignorant by using the quote " Health at every size" when there are barely health at half of the sizes. Instead of focusing on humanizing people whether what they look like. The movement is full of hypocrites who want excuses to be a-holes and want people to confirm to their views.
@Alyssia777fr 3 жыл бұрын
YESSS
@mewmew6158 3 жыл бұрын
@@roralojane It depends on what "body positive" people you follow (the ones I follow talk about how you personally can help unlearn fatphobia and prevent further harm). The massively popular ones aren't always the ones doing things the best way.
@majlordag1889 3 жыл бұрын
I don't mind body positivity if it helps someone which I think it does, my personal problem with it thought is that I didn't find it inclusive in all ways, for example, I found that individuals with small forehead, straight white teeth and big lips and "good" facial bone structure were still treated as more desirable that individuals without those. They include ethnicities and body types and sometimes disabilities but when it comes to those mentioned above I usually see how some features are favored over other
@mere0 3 жыл бұрын
body neutrality is my goal. women especially are really conditioned to tie our entire moral value/personality to our appearance. what my body looks like has literally nothing to do with my self worth/confidence, and it SHOULD have no impact on how i’m treated by society both systemically and interpersonally.
@asweetie06 3 жыл бұрын
They love to constantly tell “fat” folks, about how to loose weight, and how easy and simple it is. I am damn near 50 and people still like to comment on what I eat…. And that is the start lol
@slowlyrunning 3 жыл бұрын
I hate when people who have never been overweight say things like "Losing weight is so easy you're just lazy, my uncle lost 30 pounds and all he did was eat healthily and workout". See the thing here is that I'm not your uncle Sarah.
@loveoflife3081 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah isn’t it hard too because your blood vessels and nerves and stuff start to surround fat? I heard that from somewhere but can’t remember lol.
@JadetheGoober 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no ma’am, i need names and addresses. We dont allow harrassment of queens in Yeshuah’s world.
@loveoflife3081 3 жыл бұрын
@@JadetheGoober Right on!!!
@jadeverhoeven2464 2 жыл бұрын
They were lying about it being easy and simple, it requires a whole lifestyle change xD
@oliwiamatylda8258 2 жыл бұрын
i love you so much. i always learn something new from you and i'm very thankful that you're willing to educate us. about fatphobia in media issue: i always SHAKE from rage when i see someone commenting something so obviously fatphobic and then write: i just care about your health. i'm not aggressive but i want to fight.
@ashlingteirney7543 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this isn't something I see talked about a whole lot and it's really nice to know that those kinds of experiences aren't just all in my head like people have led me to believe they are. And I know that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows for people on the lower side of the scale but it's good to see someone talking about this.
@maggieallen5985 3 жыл бұрын
And one of the most frustrating things is that the body positivity movement is being co-opted by influencers and corporations…just to sell us more stuff. Stuff that still preys on our insecurities and desire to be seen as pretty, or even just be left alone.
@bitchlasagna1 3 жыл бұрын
I see underwear commercials and they'll have a large amount of body diversity in their models but the fat models are always wearing granny panty spanks that tuck their tummy like... do companies not see the irony in using body positivity and fat models to sell slimming products
@ativaadzem566 3 жыл бұрын
That's why they exist. No matter what movement, growth, or existentialism crisis people go thru, someone will make money out of this 🤷🏾♀️
@okayokayfineilldoit 3 жыл бұрын
@@bitchlasagna1 to them its not irony to them it just makes 100% sense. because they are evil lol
@bitchlasagna1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ativaadzem566 and it usually isn’t the people that the movement is for
@pidgeonnuggets8838 3 жыл бұрын
Its funny how we forget the basic lessons in pre school of treating others with respect when it comes to certain body types and our own bias against people.
@NenaBabe 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful that I found your channel now when I can truly understand & appreciate this type of content. You're absolutely brillant and so freaking charismatic, like it's insane. I definitely admire and just adore you💞
@marleyofficialmedia 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched so many of your videos... I adore your content. I love the way you explain things, your sense of humour, and the way you interact with your guests. Much love dear!
@noellapaulinetaaka7841 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. From my pov, skinny shaming is not talked about enough especially in Africa(where I am from) my own family always asked whether I was on a diet, having to pile my plate otherwise I was starving myself. I was called everything from toothpick to broomstick. I don't know if it is only my country but I could never buy clothes that fit me. Everything was always awkward (this could be because I am fairly tall (1.73m or 5.7ft) ) It was so disheartening. You start to think you aren't sexy. On the other hand my mother is fat and tall (1.78m or 5.8ft) and she received degrading comments (FROM FAMILY!!!) talking about her stomach and butt saying they were too big. I don't understand what people want. People cannot just live!
@MaiDay01 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the conversation is very centered On the west. My parents really made me never accept my body comparing me to a branch and twigs for 17 plus years, telling me i look like starving children in charity ads... the whole works.
@MaiDay01 3 жыл бұрын
There African too
@Churros1616 3 жыл бұрын
People want curvy, when you are fat you are shamed, when you are skinny you are shamed. It’s truly crazy. People need to mind their own business and let people live.
@_gremlinboy 3 жыл бұрын
I've had to gently ask the people close to me to stop commenting on my weight (only my boyfriend can bring it up, only when he's worried) because it's really so disheartening, as someone who's been trying very hard and failing to gain weight for the last five years. At this point I have a binge eating problem and people still suggest to me that I should eat, as if I haven't tried it. It's very frustrating.
@notyouraveragejoe7003 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooo Africans are something else man. I work out, I love it. When I went home, I brought my jump rope with me. Some people made fun of me, some people were inspired. I do understand African version of beauty is different from westernized beauty.
@ashleywalker3748 3 жыл бұрын
Fatphobia story: I once had a coworker, loudly, ask me towards the end of the year "I thought you were going to lose weight this year. The gift I bought you were supposed to help with that. How come you haven't lost weight??"
@devinwalker4161 3 жыл бұрын
What an a**hole
@ea7109 3 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳
@d.o.m.i. 3 жыл бұрын
holy shit 🙄
@PHOENIX-ux3gw 3 жыл бұрын
WTF!!!
@starcherry6814 3 жыл бұрын
"I thought you were supposed to mind your business this year. The lectures I gave you were supposed to help with that. Why haven't you learned??"
@jujutsucryin3256 2 жыл бұрын
I have encountered plenty of skinny shaming from various people, family friends, etc. I have been asked multiple times if I'm anorexic and that I need to say something if I am struggling. I was 95lbs as a 5'1" person. I finally gained 17lbs and felt healthy for once just to go over to my ex's house one day and get told I look pregnant by his brother, my ex also at one point endearingly pointed out that I looked like I was 5 months pregnant with our imaginary child. The point of me saying this isn't to flex, it's to point out that no matter what my weight was I was still going to get comments because looking back on it, I was very sexualized in my ex's household of mostly men.
@xmoreno3366 2 жыл бұрын
man dont like skinny woman
@taylor6528 2 жыл бұрын
great video! as someone who's definitely fat, it's definitely important to talk about how fat people can also - and frankly often do - struggle with disordered eating and so on, but because we don't look like it, people rarely either believe it, or worse - lowkey encourage that we return to those patterns of disordered eating. i lost some weight once when i was in a super bad place mentally - both restricting and purging, as well as self harm and other shit, i hated my body to the point where it was hard for me to even shower regularly - and people kept telling me how /healthy/ i looked, despite being at like, the lowest point of my life. i did gain back that weight and more eventually, but mentally, i've been doing a lot better, and it's in part bc of something my doctor said during a checkup, bc it was clear i was stressing about my weight - she said that yeah, i was overweight, that was just objectively true, but my mental health was doing much better, my blood pressure and blood tests, etc, all came back perfectly fine, so it frankly just didn't really matter. really loved the perspectives/guests you brought on, and some of the history you talked about here. doubt you'll see this, lmao, but i wanted to say how much i appreciated it!
@Rachopin77 3 жыл бұрын
My sister had a bunch of autoimmune issues and had to be on steroids that caused her to gain a lot of weight. Later on, when she would go to certain doctors, they would blame the issues she was having on her weight and tell her to lose weight. Which was hard because her health issues made it difficult for her to exercise etc. it was just sooooo irritating.
@bug593 3 жыл бұрын
i feel this! i’ve gained a fair bit of weight because ive been too sick to exercise and i’ve had multiple doctors tell me basically all i need to do is exercise and lose weight and i’ll feel better 😐
@Rachopin77 3 жыл бұрын
@@bug593 yeah that's truly frustrating. Especially because you're attempting to get some sort of help and support, and things in the body are often so complex when they get combined with circumstances. A lot of the time it becomes so cyclical and in the end the person just ends up feeling judged and not helped. My body has always naturally just trended more towards lower body fat, and when I've had health problems I've never had to get past the initial hurdle of convincing a doctor/authority that I'm not just doing it to myself, and I feel like that's a huge part of the problem. My sister and I have both always had a desire to be active and healthy and ideally have active lifestyles because it's what makes us happy, but she literally just got dealt a bad hand with her particular health issues. And then many doctors, who I would hope would be able to critically confront their own biases with patients, often just force those onto my sister. And I think that even though I sometimes have gotten snarky comments and things about being flat, it doesn't have the same potential to be a barrier to my life and health. And it just really bothers me, especially watching it so clearly in someone I love.
@jlbeeen 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, I have a chronic illness where I get dizzy a lot, and people have blamed it on all kinds of stuff. Thankfully I do know a doctor who helps, but she's expensive and the doctor I can see for free is very invalidating of my symptoms. I've had to be on my own and learn how my body works. Although related to this, PMS related bloating, even with treatment, shouldn't be shamed. We look different and change, which is perfectly normal.
@sanryye9663 3 жыл бұрын
Doctors really don't know what they doing sometimes 🙄
@Ana-ly5ek 3 жыл бұрын
My sister has crones disease and it’s the opposite for her. It’s impossible for her to gain weight
@MzHues 3 жыл бұрын
My sisters and I joke with each other about our weight because we all struggle. However, when anyone else chimes in we look at them like they are crazy. We support each other and strive for health over skinny. Skinny does not mean healthy and fat doesn’t unnecessarily mean unhealthy. There are a lot of factors to consider.
@s0Shi 3 жыл бұрын
Correct 👍 it’s great that you have a group who understands and can support each other. I remember reading comments on one of the episodes of Super Size vs Super Skinny where the skinny person had a very unhealthy diet and practice but didn’t “look too skinny” (🙄) and people were praising her looks and body and downplaying the harms of her diet. It’s really frustrating with how people judge and determine worth based on appearances and attraction, as if their standards are what matter for someone else’s own body and well-being; also incredibly annoying when people think they can just diagnose and assume someone’s health and eating/exercise habits just by looking at them. We as a society *really* need to get more educated on this, way too many people are falling ‘victim’ and/or contributing to these widespread social issues.
@DotRD12 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, once you reach a certain weight being fat does become objectively unhealthy. Permanent joint damage due to being overweight is definitely real.
@MzHues 3 жыл бұрын
@@DotRD12 This is true, but most often there are factors that contribute to that and the unhealthiness of it cannot be solved with just diet and exercise. Often there are underling health conditions, medication, trauma, etc. Same can be said for people who are unhealthily thin. The whole story is needed to address the health issues that come from being underweight and overweight.
@fabulousitytv5668 2 жыл бұрын
I been both fat and skinny and what I realized about skinny shaming is it affects you mentally and people will make fun of you and it definitely hurts . I was very tiny and it didn’t help when I started to develop because my body was all out of whack. I was like a pencil with balloons. You ever seen a slim lady with a bad boob job? That’s what I looked like😭. But that experience of skinny shaming doesn’t translate like fat shaming on a “population “ or societal level is what makes it systematically harder. Not only are you reminded your fat on the inside of your home and social circles but your literally left out, discriminated against in jobs, stores, tv and so much more. That’s why people say fat shaming is worse and I don’t think people really understand that. when you are overweight that’s all people see. When your fat you are not seen as a person, you’re just fat. Look at how people treat Lizzo. She’s beautiful! Her face is stunning. But they don’t see that, they just see her weight. Meanwhile Americans Next Top Model had a set full of very slim and some even VERY SKINNY women for 22 seasons on TV and we focused more on their beauty and how photogenic they are than we did their skinny small frames. There is a whole show dedicated to people who are 600+ and it’s people who have gotten famous doing nothing but constantly tearing those people down. The biggest loser, fat camps, my 600 lbs life and more are all dedicated to obesity. Not to mind you every other commercial is a commercial about weight loss. Most of those people on those weight loss commercials either got surgery or weren’t even fat, just photo shop. But they seek these supplements that almost kill you and push them out there so they can feed off desperate fat peoples money. Most stores don’t even have plus sized sections. Fashion Nova just started making club clothes for Plus Sized people. I never worried about not finding a store that catered to people my size when I was skinny. But once I got fat it was pathetic how those stores are. I (like a lot of plus sized people) even got to the point where I have to ask stores if they have a section for women my size and I really shouldn’t have to ask that. Fat people don’t have to be skinny in order to understand skinny/thin privilege and how it affects society. But I think the only way slim people can really get a grasp on why the comparisons are made and why people view fat shaming as worse and fat people are oppressed in society is to become fat. It’s not the same and it’s a lot of research all over KZfaq more that backs this up. Also fatphobia can be traced back to slavery. Read the story of Sara Baartman. I think people get so caught up in their emotions on body shaming as a whole that they don’t realize body shaming for plus sized people and fatphobia is more than just how you feel, it’s an entire system against them. But that’s just my take on it.
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