Tekken Movement and Execution Handcam - Japanese Sanwa JLF vs Korean Crown 309MJ

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Recently installed a Crown 309MJ in my Fighting Edge and thought I'd make a comparison video of general tekken inputs between it and the Sanwa JLF.
I'm no execution god ;)
I've been playing on Japanese levers for 2 years and Korean ones for just about a day as of this video.
Sticks:
Nacon Daija - Stock JLF with a silver ball top and Sanwa Buttons except last two which are Crown SDB 202 MX's with Cherry Blue switches.
Hori Fighting Edge - Crown 309MJ lever 25A grommet, with stock Hori Hayabusa buttons.
Music:
Chrono Trigger OST - Corridor's of Time
Under Night In-Birth EXE:Late OST - Gather's Under Night...
Contents:
0:00 Sanwa 1p Wave Dash
0:33 Sanwa 1p KBD
1:02 Sanwa 1p General Execution
1:59 Sanwa 2p Wave Dash
2:30 Sanwa 2p KBD
2:59 Sanwa 2p General Execution
4:07 Crown 1p Wave Dash
4:44 Crown 1p KBD
5:19 Crown 1p General Execution
6:16 Crown 2p Wave Dash
6:48 Crown 2p KBD
7:23 Crown 2p General Execution
8:00 Outro

Пікірлер: 100

@Warlock-6127 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, just the video I needed to see this morning. When I get home, I'm going to practice on my Arcade Stick. I have been avoiding it for at 2 years in Tekken 7. If this guy can do on a Sanwa JLF then I can too. And here I thought I needed a Korean Lever when I turns out, all I needed was some true practice and inspiration. I'm going in boys....

@notDinsss 2 жыл бұрын

Man this video is cathartic. Thanks for the comparison too, I was considering getting the Crown 309MJ Dongpal version.

@odin-vr 2 жыл бұрын

Excelente vídeo! Nos ayudas muchísimo

@p.dizzle7042 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, helpful video.

@ItzSebas1550 Жыл бұрын

When I first used the Korean lever, I felt in love with it immediately. Japanese levers are too strict and painful for me while the Korean lever feels much smoother and comfortable. Nice video btw, great execution 🔥

@NR-fx8tk 2 жыл бұрын

You inputs are so clean I'm really impressed. Mine are all over the place. Thank you for the awesome tutorial

@kilsalot 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I appreciate the kind words.

@trashgamerxd7612 2 жыл бұрын

btw I'm rly in love with the Chrono Trigger OST, never heared this before :D Thanks for showing

@antnee8904 2 жыл бұрын

I'm considering switching to a Korean lever. I switched my ball top with a battop on my sanwa and I felt more comfortable doing kbd and other movements. Wanna try the full experience

@trashgamerxd7612 2 жыл бұрын

dude THANK YOU so much holy shit

@alvinkim1305 2 жыл бұрын

I've learnt 2P wavedash and KBD, and 1P KBD and BDC. I need to master 2P BDC and 1P wavedash now. Basically the same thing now that I think about it haha. I always come back to this video to learn or relearn what I forget. It's really nice- this clip.

@alvinkim1305 2 жыл бұрын

Okay- I got how to not jump when doing the ewgf motion. But how do you do wave dashes properly? I keep getting f,n,d,df. I'm trying to buffer a forward at the end. So basically f,n,qcf,f. I can do this on 1p side somewhat but I can't do it on 2p. :( You seem to do it so effortlessly, that it makes me feel hopeless. Any tips you can give me, @kilsalot?

@rbntpw 2 жыл бұрын

do it really slow, painfully slow, once you got the correct inputs try to increase speed ever so slightly.

@CaptainVulcan 3 жыл бұрын

You're rocking with a Nacon Daija and a Hori Fighting Edge? Dude, you have great tastes! I been messing around with K levers for almost 3 years now. I recommend the Crazy Dongpal lever. It's just as smooth as the Crown 309 MJ and it has tighter diagonals from my experience. Then again, I think the Crown 309 MJ is the better lever, overall. It comes in real handy in 2D games (I play UNiB, KOF, and MUGEN with it), while the CDP, on the other hand, is almost an Mishima exclusive stick.

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, I'm pretty new to them myself, haven't tried any 2D games yet. I'll give it a shot with Guilty Gear Strive tho. I'll take a look at that Crazy Dongpal lever, I'd like to try out as many levers as are available to me.

@user-tv6hf9gs8n 3 жыл бұрын

what tension you recommend for mishima players

@Duskr9 3 жыл бұрын

How would you compare the 309 MJ to a Sanwa JLF (if you have one) for 2D games?

@CaptainVulcan 3 жыл бұрын

35A (Dark Blue) and 40A (Red), medium and high tension, respectively.

@CaptainVulcan 3 жыл бұрын

@@Duskr9 The 309 MJ feels... a lot more precise than a JLF, thanks to its tightness and shorter throw. The inputs feels more precise imo. But I have been told that putting in a 2 or 4lbs spring with an octo gate yields a similar feeling. I have yet to try the 309 MJ on high execution games from the 90s yet. Especially those ridiculously hard SNK games. Only played those with Seimitsu sticks.

@MorganFuse 5 ай бұрын

I switched to stick, it’s really hard to control the movement. I’m playing on p2 side, it came naturally, but I need to keep practicing both sides. Lemme tell you this, even though it’s hard, it’s 100 times better, and more fun to play on stick. Just keep trying. Gl everyone 🙏

@tudaman89 3 ай бұрын

This is impossible tbh I give up

@turnadraco Ай бұрын

@@tudaman89 dont! this is not something that u will get instantly, i am just getting my first stick and im mentally prepared for me to just relearn everything from scratch... it is a fun part of the experience! after u r done with the learning u will see urself getting better and u will enjoy playing a lot more :3

@kojimafideo5899 Жыл бұрын

hi, would you say noir layout is better?

@TFunk584 2 жыл бұрын

music is good damn !

@fungolo96 2 жыл бұрын

i m playing with a sanwa, squared base, japanese lever (not a circle base korean one) and having problems in getting the d/b, b part of the kbd motion. i have to pull up the lever with my thumb ti get from the d/b gesture to the b. Should i get a korean lever or there is some grip i can use ti get It easier?

@HardDanceShuffler10 11 ай бұрын

@@MostlyLostwhat does gate mean?

@muhammadwajahatimran5708 10 ай бұрын

Your comment is old but I'll still post my reply in case it may help another. If you are on a sanwa square gate what helps, especially in kbd from the right side is to push the lever to whatever side your trying to backdash and then slightly bringing it down until you hear a click. Thats it. Just keep repeating this motion alot till you are better at it. Once you are better at it now try to do it like this: bring the lever to the side and then as soon as you push it down and hear the clicking sound then come to neutral and do back. Repeat this till your fluent. It may take tons of practice but the main thing is to do it slowly at first. Speed will come naturally later. You may feel that your doing it without even thinking about it. This will be because of muscle memory.

@sebestyenaron6598 5 ай бұрын

Hey @kilsalot ! I really like this video and come back to it from time to time. I was just wondering what lever (including specs) and stick are you using right now?

@kilsalot 5 ай бұрын

I'm using the fighting edge exactly like in this video, except with a ist knee lever.

@sebestyenaron6598 4 ай бұрын

Thanks, good to know! So I guess korean lever suits you better. Are you planning on making any new videos similar to this, perhaps showcasing the Knee lever with a Mishima like Devil Jin?

@kilsalot 4 ай бұрын

@@sebestyenaron6598 been thinking about making an updated version for t8. Not sure what I could add to it.

@lapastangan04 2 жыл бұрын

I can't do wave dash on 1P side. It's diffucult.

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

How do you ewgf on 2p without jumping from the first forward input? I tend to give a lot of force when pressing forward which makes me slide the lever to uf.

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

What lever are you using? If you're on a Japanese lever w/ square gate I tend to use the tips of my fingers to flick the stick into d/b and then quickly release to neutral to avoid getting any unwanted inputs.

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot going to try this. Thanks.

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot I don't know if I'm doing it wrong but it doesn't work... God damnit. I can do it when the lever is on the right and buttons on the left but doing wavedash/ewgf consistently with my left hand is just unnatural. But I don't want to stray from the traditional lever-on-the-left way. I wish I knew how to do this...

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot I'm using a qanba dragon sanwa stock

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

@@alvinkim1305 :( I wish I had more advice for you but I'm sure you'll get it with enough time.

@ericgl182 Жыл бұрын

would you recommend the crown for a newbie? this one, the cdp version and shunjuk v6 are the only ones available to me rn

@kilsalot Жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely, theres a bit of an adjustment period if you're used to sanwa or other jpn levers but nothing you can't work through.

@ericgl182 Жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot thak you! im a newbie to sticks in general so its a non issue. But so far stock sanwa isnt doing it for me

@idkwhoiamlol 2 жыл бұрын

is korean lever smoother than jlf?

@Issem21can 5 ай бұрын

Hello bro I have a question. Can I put the Korean stick in my nacon daija?

@kilsalot 5 ай бұрын

As it comes its a bit hard, there's not much space in there for it to fit, but if you're willing to cut some of the plastic out I think you could make it fit.

@jdksportsyt 3 жыл бұрын

you should add timestamps/chapters to this video. just type the time like so 1:02. thanks for the vid it helped

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

Good idea, added. Thanks!

@blackcatintheshadow3554 Жыл бұрын

What rubber do you use? 35 or 25 tension?

@Caution40404 Жыл бұрын

Not the OP but I used to have both 25 and 35. It's a matter of preference but for me the 25 was too light and the return was more sluggish. The 35 is perfectly medium. EDIT: The OP has answered someone else in the comments: "In this video its a stock 25A grommet, currently using a 35A tho."

@roderickgrech9928 3 жыл бұрын

what grommet are you using in the crown?

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

In this video its a stock 25A grommet, currently using a 35A tho.

@haushaushaushaushaushaushaus Жыл бұрын

Can you make videos of you just doing playing Tekken 7 on a Sanwa lever without any talking and maybe the Chrono Trigger music? This might be the only video I've found that ticks that box. Korean lever vid would be cool too

@kilsalot Жыл бұрын

Sure I'll see what I can do. No music? Any character preference?

@haushaushaushaushaushaushaus Жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot @kilsalot For music, just do like Chrono Trigger OST or whatever shows up for "chill snes music" For character preference I'd prefer you use jin or another mishima Thanks for thinkin about making the video btw

@joelkevin320 3 жыл бұрын

IWR is easier on korean or japan lever ?

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

Personally I find it easier with the Korean lever, I'm less experienced with them too but I think the quicker return to neutral just makes it much more consistent.

@joelkevin320 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot thank you this information will help me to make a choice .

@CASEY1100_ 3 жыл бұрын

How long had you been playing Tekken on arcade stick when you made this video?

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

About 2 years.

@CASEY1100_ 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot thanks for replying, how long did it take to master the wavedash/KBD on both sides?

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

@@CASEY1100_ I wouldn't say I've mastered but to get decent movement on both sides took roughly a month I'd say.

@giovanni1864 Жыл бұрын

crown es mejor que sanwa?

@Montydace 5 ай бұрын

I hope you're still watching the comments, are you using octogate / square gate for the sanwa?

@kilsalot 5 ай бұрын

Square gate.

@Montydace 5 ай бұрын

@@kilsalot mad lad, I dream of having your hand dexterity & speed

@lkmalem9468 3 жыл бұрын

Do crown 309mj fit perfectly on nacon daija, or does it require cutting and adjustment

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

Nope it doesn't fit without altering the inside a bit.

@lkmalem9468 3 жыл бұрын

How do i do that,plz help, I have a daija nacon,i wana change to a bat top 309mj lever

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

@@lkmalem9468 Sorry I've never done it so I'm not too sure, this video might be worth a watch tho: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jd2ng9Ojtde4nKM.html

@lkmalem9468 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot bro the lever you are using here on daija is the default one whch yu got in purchase ,or did u change into a new sanwa lever

@lkmalem9468 3 жыл бұрын

Cz the one they gave with the purchase ,i cant input backdash cancel

@t7justkc64 Жыл бұрын

What is the grommet that you used in the 309 MJ?

@kilsalot Жыл бұрын

In this video its a 25A grommet that came with the lever. I believe stock 309s come with a 35A grommet now tho.

@t7justkc64 Жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot I see. Which do you prefer now? the JLF or the crown 309mj? Ps: you have great taste for fight sticks. Naicion Daija and the Fighting Edge. :)

@kilsalot Жыл бұрын

@@t7justkc64 I prefer the 309 for tekken, but I still use the jlf for 2d games.

@SAWmacaco 20 күн бұрын

@@kilsalotwhich one do you use on 3s?

@trashgamerxd7612 2 жыл бұрын

Hey man, I've got the Hori fighting Edge aswell. Been a pad player for the last 4 years, playing on stick now for like a week. As silly as it sounds, I extremely often input df instead of f. Any advice?

@kilsalot 2 жыл бұрын

Its really mostly personal preference for how each individual will use stick so I'm sure you'll get it with practice, but as for advice all I can say is to make sure you're sitting up straight and have your stick flat on your lap or playing surface, little inconsistencies with how I held the stick really made some motions hard in the beginning. When you sit down to practice on stick accept that you'll not be as fast or as fluent as you were on pad so try not to play like you would on pad, make deliberate slower movements in order to focus on precision. Speed will come naturally later. I think it helps to play casual sets against a friend or at least stay away from the ranked ladder and play matches in player match to remove any distractions and allow you to focus purely on improving. Good luck!

@trashgamerxd7612 2 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot Hey man thank you so much for your comment! Not playing like I'd do on pad is a very good advice I'll follow. Speed will come over time, can't agree more. It's just frustrating when u land a B4 with bryan at the wall and mess up the fb2 input ^^ Playing player matches is what I do right now. It's so extremely satisfying when you do something good on stick. Thanks again for your comment and this helpful video! :)

@kilsalot 2 жыл бұрын

@@trashgamerxd7612 Yeah it definitely can be frustrating at times, but very satisfying so in the end the learning process is worth it. Gotta acknowledge the little improvements to stay motivated. Thanks for watching. :)

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

What's the tension of your lever?

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

In this video its a stock 25A grommet, currently using a 35A tho. Still finding what works best for me.

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot I meant for the sanwa. :)

@kilsalot 3 жыл бұрын

@@alvinkim1305 Sanwa is completely stock.

@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot Ah, I see. Thanks for the swift reply! Subbed.

@croquet93 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilsalot after 2 months what do you prefer for tekken.? 25A or 35A Grommet.?