T7 | Cutcc's Korean Backdash Guide (Stick)

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cutcc

cutcc

6 жыл бұрын

Today I show you guys how to Korean Backdash Cancel on an Arcade Stick (Japanese Ball-Top & Korean Bat-Top). I feel many players still struggle with executing KBD properly because of 3 reasons: 1.) They haven't stopped to think about the mechanics of why KBD works, 2.) They don't have an efficient/comfortable enough hand grip + technique, and 3.) They don't start slow and focus on accuracy and making small micro-adjustments when they encounter problems. In my journey to truly understand and "master" backdashing, I've found that small tweaks here and there in technique and rhythm really does make all the difference--and it turns KBD from something tedious to something very enjoyable and helpful. There are many tutorial vids on the subject but I just want to add in my own two cents. Everyone learns differently so hopefully my perspective on how to KBD can click with certain viewers and they can in turn teach it to other players.
*Remember to not practice Korean Backdashing in isolation. The next step is to incorporate Sidestep Cancels, Hybrid SS/SW, and Forward Dash Cancelling to create a truly holistic movement style--something that is controlled, efficient, unique, and spontaneous.
CONTEXTUALIZING MOVEMENT
**Why do we move in the first place?
We move to 1.) Induce Whiffs 2.) Realign 3.) Feint
4.) Create/Maintain Space 5.) Prevent Autopilot. Now let's think about why High Level players are so dangerous: 1.) They whiff punish so well 2.) They always walk around you 3.) They make you second guess your buttons 4.) They always seem to be at an annoying range that limits your options 5.) They are constantly changing up their options and being unpredictable. The best way to counteract someone with good movement is to have good movement yourself. Good movement with purpose of course ^_^.
SONGS USED
Shingo Nakamura - Linear Light
Shingo Nakamura - Morning Sun
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SOURCES FOR REFERENCE
Bum's TTT2 Backdash Cancel Tutorial ( + Tips for New Stick Players)
• Tekken Backdash Cancel...
LowHigh's TTT2 Korean Backdash Demonstration
• LowHigh's Tekken Back ...
CherryBerryMango + Lowhigh Backdash Lesson (Very Good)
• TEKKEN7 - 로하이의 백대쉬 강좌 ...
Hibal's Backsway Korean Backdash Tutorial (Very Good)
• Tekken Korean Back Das...
Anakin's Pad + Stick Korean Backdash Tutorial
• Easy Backdash in TEKKE...
**There's also this really good Core-A-Gaming video where JDCR talks about the importance of moving with purpose, I can't find it but if you guys can, lemme know in the comments.

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@raymondadrian275
@raymondadrian275 5 жыл бұрын
For those who still don't get b buffer after releasing d/b, this happens because you do d/b right at the diagonal. This KBD technique *is not* exactly 'riding the gate'. Instead try to aim the d/b at the space between b and d/b. This might help you to make sure the b input is going to be buffered the time when you release the d/b. I hope this trick will helps you.
@ErlingGrey
@ErlingGrey 4 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you!
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
This. There's nothing free about the input; that's your hand motion releasing the lever vertically slightly before releasing it laterally to neutral, thus releasing the down switch before releasing the back switch thus giving you the "free" "extra" back, which is neither free nor extra. That is 100% done manually, even if it naturally happens with your hand motion. Longer lever hinge switches can also aid in getting that back input without necessarily consciously trying to.
@allukaxx
@allukaxx 3 жыл бұрын
i fucking love you, i can kbd thanks to you, nobody explained it like this. THANK YOU.
@drankydrank1
@drankydrank1 3 жыл бұрын
Holy wow... thanks
@champperalta4582
@champperalta4582 3 жыл бұрын
This comment is the missing link.now i can do kbd.thank u thank u
@exaltedpenguin4547
@exaltedpenguin4547 6 жыл бұрын
I have played Tekken for at least 15 years not knowing how to move properly, and watched countless tutorials with little success, like I've known and practised the inputs for so long and could never crack the puzzle on pad or stick. I watch one guide from you, and I kid you not, within 5 GODDAMN MINUTES I can Korean backdash on 1P side on stick, you really made me understand the importance of different grips styles. I dunno how you explain things so well, I also had a lot of trouble understanding frame data and why it was important, and your video on the subject made me understand how to apply it instantly. My point is, your tutorials are the best tutorials
@exaltedpenguin4547
@exaltedpenguin4547 6 жыл бұрын
Update: I can do it like 60% of the time on 2P side now using the "kneading the dough" method and do it kinda fast 80% of the time on 1P side now, my arm is dead, and I have achieved more in the past hour than I have in the last 6 months of playing Tekken xD
@Lamborjeepney
@Lamborjeepney 5 жыл бұрын
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@bludika
@bludika 5 жыл бұрын
ExaltedPenguin you wasted your 15 years lol
@frostkid08
@frostkid08 4 жыл бұрын
@@bludika he had fun tho so he didnt
@sanaito7807
@sanaito7807 4 жыл бұрын
wow i try this now for an hour and dont get 2 in a row, why is there no normal movement in this game >.
@brouzouf4146
@brouzouf4146 6 жыл бұрын
supremely under-appreciated channel, good shit as always my man
@jadakiss100000
@jadakiss100000 6 жыл бұрын
Cutcc you're a legend, quality videos as always.
@BassBoomBang
@BassBoomBang 5 жыл бұрын
Dude you are the best tekken tutorialist out there. This game is really complicated for a beginner like me, but your stuff is the rare exception when i actually feel like i understood something. Great job!
@jonathanvega4007
@jonathanvega4007 5 жыл бұрын
Legit the best tutorial I’ve seen.
@pappico
@pappico 4 жыл бұрын
Seconded.
@gatorfan122394
@gatorfan122394 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, I've been practicing this for months. I watched this video and all of a sudden I'm doing it seamlessly. Idk what you said but it just made it click. Good job man, I'm really happy about this
@hugopacheco3575
@hugopacheco3575 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Cutcc. Been trying for quite some time and in the last few days, after seeing this video and using your method, I've been having some really good results. 💪💪 Thank you again.
@thweismansaid
@thweismansaid 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man...Just like to say thank you and that I really appreciate this tut. It's so clear-cut and easy to understand. I've subbed to you because I believe people like you can become the sole reason for making Tekken more accessible to the masses. Great work man! Many compliments!
@cutcc
@cutcc 5 жыл бұрын
Thx man! Your words inspire me to continue working hard at creating good educational content =).
@stevenwarner9156
@stevenwarner9156 5 жыл бұрын
Switched to stick a week or so ago. Figured out the backdash on one player side, but was clueless for two player side. Thank you for breaking this down so clearly.
@marlon8958
@marlon8958 5 жыл бұрын
This was the KBD tutorial that actually helped, thanks a lot. Gained a subscriber.
@anubis_fgc
@anubis_fgc 3 жыл бұрын
Best Korean backdash tutorial I’ve come across yet
@pinguru7384
@pinguru7384 5 жыл бұрын
I've watch like 7 of these tutorials. First time I actually under stood.
@Jainko
@Jainko 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a pad player but this video was very useful. I was doing the back after the down-back manually, I didn't realize it was buffered. Now I can do it waaaaaay more comfortably and faster
@systekmusic
@systekmusic 5 жыл бұрын
This is the best tutorial for kbd that I've come across, thanks!
@aauukk1
@aauukk1 6 жыл бұрын
This is actually the best backdash explanation I have seen.
@sol7967
@sol7967 6 жыл бұрын
Thx for this, I've been struggling on 2p side.
@skullmastermasterofskulls3843
@skullmastermasterofskulls3843 4 жыл бұрын
This dude earned that thumbs up. Absolutely stellar tutorial.
@ahmadbutt7290
@ahmadbutt7290 6 жыл бұрын
This is the first Korean backdash guide which I loved.. and I really understood how to back dash.. Thnx alot
@MrCcarter94
@MrCcarter94 4 жыл бұрын
Wow this is the probably the best and only tutorial out there that can explain it as good as you do bro good on you for making this video it helps beginners and everybody else in general 🙏🏾 Edit: Plus, the soundtrack towards the end of this video is White Field from Street Fighter EX2 Plus which is one of the games I used to play when I was very young and could remember playing from the back of my head but luckily found out the game again after so many years from another youtube video !! 😭 I thought that there was something very funny about the ending soundtrack as if I heard it from somewhere it sounded so nostalgic and then just had to look up a childhood game of mine I used to play when I young as and you so happened to have one of the soundtracks from one of my underrated but golden childhood games I used to play on ps1 !! You’ve already become my favourite go-to person for tekken bro much props !! Thanks for the unintended nostalgia it makes me wanna cry lol 😭
@kamcosmic
@kamcosmic Жыл бұрын
man, u are a legend. hopped into training mode and can already do them pretty well thanks to the input buffer explanation. i always thought ppl go back to back after downback and that input felt awful to do. with some practice it will be a good part of my arsenal
@quintinburd5873
@quintinburd5873 4 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial I've found. Thx man
@DontEatSmurfs
@DontEatSmurfs 5 жыл бұрын
found your video today, dude thank you so much, im starting to learn tekken and everyone is saying how important this is to learn, you made it really easy to grasp, im doing already 3 in a row =D
@CREATIONx100
@CREATIONx100 2 жыл бұрын
Just pick up tekken a week ago and i love it ... Thank you for this video ! Helped me ALOT !
@farqaleetking
@farqaleetking 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks man i was struggling with backdash. It really helped.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
FYI, down back does not inherently buffer, save, or give you a free back input; that is you simply releasing the down switch before releasing the back switch of the lever with your hand motion. If you were to release the lever so that both switches deactivated at the same time/frame, you would get no extra back input and a subsequent back input after neutral would not give you a backdash. There's nothing free about the "free" back input; that is your hand motion manually causing it by releasing the lever upwards before releasing it laterally to the neutral input. The switches with longer hinge levers also help with getting that "free" back input. Tested and confirmed in practice mode with input readouts.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
Tl;Dr there's no such thing as a free lun-- erm, input. Rather than thinking of the motion as a perfect right triangle, I think of it as a right triangle in which the hypotenuse goes upwards before flattening out and reaching the "corner" of the triangle in the center of the stick at neutral
@leksluther4417
@leksluther4417 6 жыл бұрын
I’m a pad player and love my mishimas. And I never realised how important the neutral was. Because my backdash was just A backward wavedash haha but the neutral made it so much more cleaner and easier. Thanks mate
@chadmorton9259
@chadmorton9259 4 жыл бұрын
Late but I NEVER in all my years understood how to do this until now. Thanks for the help great video mate
@cybergopnik
@cybergopnik 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for great tutorial as well as great music!
@stahli8455
@stahli8455 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh that was literally the only tutorial that helped. Thanks!
@atrailofblood
@atrailofblood 5 жыл бұрын
hey man just found your channel today, big respect for the time you put into trying to help the community +sub
@nina_summers
@nina_summers 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I think this is it! Thank you ! Need to practice more
@kn-phasis
@kn-phasis 6 жыл бұрын
Very good breakdown.
@HERO_OMAR
@HERO_OMAR 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks far the guide your video is always awesome
@Qaintrain91420
@Qaintrain91420 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you bro this is about the best guide I've seen for the Korean backdash all the rest of them they try to do a super God damn fast and don't show you step by step
@whysosrs5534
@whysosrs5534 3 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial I seen. I used to play Tekken 4 when i was a kid. Never knew what a kbd was lol. This is one thing that sets tekken above 2D fighting games. The game really allows you to have your own style. To express your self much like in martial arts.
@mdgeisto8953
@mdgeisto8953 4 жыл бұрын
Now that's what I call clean inputs - nice!
@pako7278
@pako7278 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, one of the best tutorial, thank you, I really improved my Korean backdash !
@pokemooney9329
@pokemooney9329 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I figured out exactly what I was doing wrong with this video! Much appreciated!
@BrandonHilikus
@BrandonHilikus 4 жыл бұрын
love your videos man
@joshuaxiong8377
@joshuaxiong8377 6 жыл бұрын
This is very nice, I always thought the "rapid backstep", as I called it, was a quarter circle. Just d/b is great!
@LukemDakuwa
@LukemDakuwa 5 жыл бұрын
After watching this, I can totally understand why people see my hitbox as a cheat box, but I must advise that typing out a KBD is not as easy as it sounds, it's actually a whole different world and I feel that learning how to KBD on traditional sticks is one of those things that everyone should learn regardless of what peripheral they use to play Tekken. This was great and it really helped me to understand how to KBD on a traditional stick, much love for making this!
@jonathanshihadeh
@jonathanshihadeh 5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff man!
@TheBlackHylian
@TheBlackHylian 5 жыл бұрын
I've been manually inputting b,b, db, and repeating that and wondering about the inconsistency issue of my KBDs. This actually helps a crapton. Thank you.
@chiaramaffei3739
@chiaramaffei3739 5 жыл бұрын
You have the perfect voice for ASMR
@mmmaaa5547
@mmmaaa5547 5 жыл бұрын
Best backdash video ever!
@youravrggaymer
@youravrggaymer 4 жыл бұрын
This helped me and im a pad player great job cutcc :)
@The_Buff_Guy
@The_Buff_Guy 4 жыл бұрын
Been playing Tekken for 25 years, I’m a Mishima main (kazuya), Play in tournaments and am gold ranks online, I’m a pad player who just got a stick today because I feel like pad holds me back too much from pro level play specifically with Mishima characters, and this really helped. Great tutorial.
@boohousen
@boohousen 5 жыл бұрын
Nice guide, very helpful for Ball Top playing (with Bat Top backdashing is naturally easier)...
@markmontano2097
@markmontano2097 4 жыл бұрын
5:45 Thanks for putting the inputs in the video, even though you explained in the video.
@rizzynp
@rizzynp 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still struggling with it but at least I have understood what I should do :) great video!
@EdSuavePerez
@EdSuavePerez 4 жыл бұрын
I was able to backdash on a noob level maybe after a week of practicing, 2p is a bit harder but once you get movement figured out everything else falls in place
@RadicalAkira
@RadicalAkira 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you are doing well, Cutcc. I'm still working on this and I got to admit, it's not easy. But that's why you work hard and practice, right? I hope you could join us more in Season 3 and teach about it. You make an awesome way of instructing videos and Tekken.
@Fidolorous
@Fidolorous 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!
@TheScorpio1999
@TheScorpio1999 6 жыл бұрын
Apologies cutcc. I didn't know that was gonna happen. There's always that one loudmouth in the proverbial classroom that wants to get something started. Sorry about that. Thanks for the vid. Good stuff; would like to see more vids like this. (Side step cancelling stuff would be awesome; specifically for stick. Hopefully no one will come in the comments arguing about inputs on the next one. Funny how they're not arguing with you despite you and I agreeing on the exact same input method...)
@drsweetooth
@drsweetooth 5 жыл бұрын
best kbd tutorial on youtube
@captainlennyjapan27
@captainlennyjapan27 5 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! I feel like a lot of resources need to be translated from Korean to English! There are so many tutorials for this in Korean!
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 4 жыл бұрын
Love the connection of the technique to the wine grip, adds a lot of logic to the hand position. Do you switch grips between backdashes and attack inputs? For example kbd into a df2 generic whiff punish
@cutcc
@cutcc 4 жыл бұрын
Let's see kbd into a Df+2...My grip does not change at all in that situation--thats the beauty of the way I hold the stick, it works for literally every action and situation that arises in Tekken ( or at least 95% of them)
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 4 жыл бұрын
cutcc cutcc thanks for the thoughtful reply! I think it’ll just take some adjustment on my part. My accuracy is wack and I get lots of cardinals unless I use my fingertips to guide to the corner. Thanks for the content!
@herschelschueler
@herschelschueler 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Song from Tekken 5 DR it's so good
@GateMasterGreen
@GateMasterGreen 2 жыл бұрын
Super useful! Had the fun of once I got the timing down on 1p side (still not fast, is day 1 of trying to do so XD) I was able to more consistently do the 2p side then the 1p side, which was weird ( not at a decent speed, but the slowed down mechanics of it were easier to hit for me *shrugs*)
@Moruma
@Moruma 5 жыл бұрын
You're one of the few people that still have an Eightarc :)
@AndyMacster
@AndyMacster 5 жыл бұрын
So clear, so concise. What a fantastic video. Great delivery of information, too. The perfect approach to a tutorial video. (just a tiny comment. careful about hitting "p" words like "push" and "pinch" into the mic, that can sound really jarring, it seemed like you didn't have a pop filter, those can help lessen the severity on those words :D )
@OlinCaprison
@OlinCaprison 4 жыл бұрын
wowwwww thanks so much!
@m2b700
@m2b700 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Backdash tutorial you could do a tutorial of atlante Costa totally sideways or else forward hook forward hook I wait for your answer because you are a genius
@genesishandboards
@genesishandboards 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great video tutorial! My 1 player side is perfect but I still cant do 2p side on stick after months of practice. On pad I can do both sides perfect. Should I just stick with pad?
@taintedtechnique
@taintedtechnique 4 жыл бұрын
With 2p i've got the motion down, its just when I start to do it fast I'll miss either miss a neutral input or just about miss the d/b switch. it doesn't matter how slow I practice the moment I speed up I'll get these issues
@user-zp2xu4vv6k
@user-zp2xu4vv6k 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man !
@alvinkim1305
@alvinkim1305 3 жыл бұрын
How do you do a koreelan back dash with a silent sanwa? Would you happen to know? Because it's different. You get the extra back input when you slide the lever to back and before you release it to neutral.
@typbool9347
@typbool9347 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@hannahb3201
@hannahb3201 4 жыл бұрын
as a right side player who has to wear wrist braces, i find it much easier to use the palm right below my ring finger. Hopefully this helps any other hand injured guys or gals out there
@RogerCollectz
@RogerCollectz 2 жыл бұрын
I’m looking into getting a Korean stick. And one where I can easily put inside a Qanba pearl with out needed to be modded or cut into, in order to instal it. Is there any you could recommend if you know of any?
@happ0bapp0
@happ0bapp0 6 жыл бұрын
I'm good on 2p I suck at it on 1p unless I do the QCB method I'm still learning Thank you
@AbdulwahabAlharbi-jk7fc
@AbdulwahabAlharbi-jk7fc 5 жыл бұрын
If anyone can answer me I'd appreciate it . my input history is " b,dnb,b b " there's an extra b input I get every time . What triggers it , is the b after the neutral . The result seems fine and it looks like im getting the backdash cancel . Now obviously , I'm gonna need some time before I can loop the backdash cancel together , so I can't quite judge whether the extra b input is going to affect the end result or not I hope someone can help me with this
@Legendarykoenma
@Legendarykoenma 6 жыл бұрын
Never knew there was a neutral in the notation. Going to try something similar with pad. Hopefully now I wont get smacked with mid launchers anymore when backing up.
@Ubebread1
@Ubebread1 5 жыл бұрын
This technique helps for all fighting games
@Coolbeans554
@Coolbeans554 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I struggled with this for a few days(switched from Japanese stick to korean) and I finally got the motion down on 1p side, I didn’t picture it as a right triangle, that actually made it harder for me, since korean doesn’t have a restrictor gate my thumb pushes back and the I use my middle and ring finger to roll it down to where I get a crouch, then I let go and repeat that process, back and roll down
@Coolbeans554
@Coolbeans554 Жыл бұрын
Update, I ended up dropping tekken and getting back into it with the release of 4.0, before learning how to play on p2 side. This video really helped solve my problem by just watching your hand positioning, I was trying to kbd with my palm and it was extremely tiring and innacurate
@StratEdition
@StratEdition 4 жыл бұрын
If I let go of back, I get a down usually. I have to be really finnicky with the stick to get a back input.
@philam64
@philam64 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for being so responsive! One thing I’m getting stuck on while cleaning up my form is maintain clean 2P dash blocks. When I was using a hybrid grip with fingertips, I got fast responsiveness with comfort but imprecision. Using my hand bones on the palm to backdash is so much cleaner, but I struggle in the deadzone between my thumb dashing forward and palm moving to block. Do you have any experience wihh th this? Just a matter of practice?
@cutcc
@cutcc 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm I'm not quite sure what you mean by thumb dashing forward and palm moving to block, could you elaborate on that? I occasionally use my thumb to sidestep cancel but I don't really experience any deadzones, not that I can remember.
@muhammadkazim724
@muhammadkazim724 6 жыл бұрын
Nice
@jezekiel
@jezekiel 6 жыл бұрын
+1 Thanks a lot.
@solid2281
@solid2281 2 жыл бұрын
I can properly KBD on the left side but, I have tried right side for weeks and cant do it what, I doing wrong
@jakesemailacc
@jakesemailacc 4 жыл бұрын
dude thank you
@riotphantom6766
@riotphantom6766 5 жыл бұрын
This made sense until I actually tried it I went into practice mode after watching this and tried, but I dont get the extra back after the downback. It is either a down or it goes straight to nuetral. To get the extra back I have to do a wierd movement like tracing an upside down L back and forth. Is that what you are supposed to do?
@igorsergeev6068
@igorsergeev6068 Жыл бұрын
trying to do it and all my character does is ducking after backdash or steps to the sown side
@bearisok
@bearisok 4 жыл бұрын
i cant consistently do it yet because i keep getting extra inputs when i release db, for example ill get a down or a back. its super frustrating and i think its half me and half the sens of my stick. i should add i just got a stick yesterday lol. good vid but i have to ask, why use bryan? he has sway.
@vaibhavkoneru878
@vaibhavkoneru878 3 жыл бұрын
what is sidestep canceling and foward canceling
@DivineKaze
@DivineKaze 6 жыл бұрын
If you actually listen to the mechanical switches when you're doing the KBD input, you will hear the back input. Try holding d/b from the u/f portion of your stick with two fingers pushing it to d/b, and then release it. It will just show d/b on the command history. You can test this with any other grip that isn't your normal one. It will just go to d/b and back to neutral. If the stick does not hit the back switch there will be no back input. Now if you use your regular grip, you naturally grip the stick with your fingers wrapped around it so you are "pulling" the stick from netural to d/b. With this grip, when you want to "release" the stick to get it back to neutral, your natural hand motion is to just let go of the stick. Your fingers will move in an upward motion to release it, and that causes the "slide/guide" and hits the back input that everyone thinks is "free". It isn't a free back input, it's just a product of how you hold your stick and how it's released.
@dragtr0n
@dragtr0n 2 жыл бұрын
Bro i can backdash both sides. I play on sanwa batt top. But 1p qcf seems to be inconsistent for me. Like 1p kbds into qcf2 for paul i miss it sometimes also my electrics suffer. On p2 im fine
@paulespino6462
@paulespino6462 5 жыл бұрын
so for the 2p side, the notation is b, d/b, neutral, b then repeat?
@gabrielpezzi8774
@gabrielpezzi8774 5 жыл бұрын
Do my thumb has to flex too? Because i'm not used to flex my thumb on that way.
@ZumoTheBadger
@ZumoTheBadger 4 жыл бұрын
P1 side is a slow learner but im able to do it. cant even get a backdash from crouch on P2 though and i been trying for over an hour .... really frustrating. i understand the mechanics of how it works but unable to do it .
@zbolt02
@zbolt02 5 жыл бұрын
Can you do a tutorial on how to sidestep cancel movement
@jordansmoviereviews9787
@jordansmoviereviews9787 5 жыл бұрын
I have a stick to specifically learn tekken on to get the true tekken arcade style experience. I notice a lot of players I play against at tournaments they use them and say once I get past the initial struggle of learning the arcade stick then it’s a lot easier. It seems like it would be if I put the time into it. Which I am, I’m done being scared of relearning on arcade stick.
@MrCactuar13
@MrCactuar13 6 жыл бұрын
We need a EWGF hand guide now. I can't wrap my head around how to get the just frame input, my execution is so inconsistent.
@determina7or
@determina7or 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, good work, Ill try to practice this when my arcade stick will come to me, btw what sticks you use?
@cutcc
@cutcc 5 жыл бұрын
Qanba Eightarc Fusion
@Gundogdogdog
@Gundogdogdog 6 жыл бұрын
Regarding the ‘extra’ b input on the way back to neutral, when learning KBD on pad I found that the first b input would be buffered by simply releasing db (I couldn’t even NOT get b to be buffered if I tried) When I learnt to KBD on stick I found that releasing db wouldn’t buffer in b and it’d just return to the neutral state so I had to incorporate a slight bias towards back when releasing db so that the stick would ‘pass through’ back on its way back to neutral. You or other tutorials I’ve seen on KZfaq don’t seem to have this problem and your stocks seem to behave more like my pad does. Does the type of lever you use matter then? (I use a hori Hayabusa lever)
@cutcc
@cutcc 6 жыл бұрын
It definitely could matter to an extent. Everyone's hands are different, and that could impact the way they handle different levers. On Amazon it says that the Qanba Eightarc Fusion (The Stick I was using in the video) has a Sanwa JLF lever. I'm not too knowledgable on how different levers feel but perhaps this bit of info could be useful to you. With regards to you not getting a buffered b when you release Db, perhaps try changing the way you release Db. I don't think you need to go so far as to incorporate a slight bias towards back, but like....when you release Db (assuming you're using your index finger and middle finger to hold Db in place), make a slight slight counter clockwise sweeping motion with your fingers, and that should put you in a comfortable neutral position to tap back with your thumb. If you change up Timing + Orientation, something should click.
@Jako3334074
@Jako3334074 6 жыл бұрын
I also have the issue where if I'm trying to do it too quick i don't get the "extra" b input (sometimes am able to mess it up 5 times in a row without "extra" b). I just try to think of letting go with my thumb (or whatever's holding the stick to the side) slightly after letting go with my pointer finger (which is holding the stick down) or whathaveyou. Using a Sanwa JLF.
@pj491
@pj491 6 жыл бұрын
you are right, i recently made my own arcade stick with sanwa parts and the sanwa jlf spring doesn't seem to give me back input, i'll have to slightly pull the lever to the B to get the Extra Back Input!
@TheScorpio1999
@TheScorpio1999 6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to agree with cutcc on this, this raises a very interesting point. I also, for the sake of why I'm leaving this comment, want to add another question for those who aren't seeing a "buffered" neutral after the crouch cancel. How many of you guys are using octagonal gates instead of square gates? (Cause for Tekken, preference or not, I would advise against using these.)
@pj491
@pj491 6 жыл бұрын
TheWarriorPoet I'm using octagonal gate, whats your point? Can you please elaborate?
@inbisibleful
@inbisibleful 5 жыл бұрын
I'm doing the motion but my character isn't moving at all?
@phinkssama6165
@phinkssama6165 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t get the free back input after letting go of db to neutral
@Light-iu7nh
@Light-iu7nh 4 жыл бұрын
can u tell me which stick u are using in this video?
@SharpnelBoy
@SharpnelBoy 5 жыл бұрын
I've been playing Tekken for almost 3 years now, and the whole time I've been using pad. I want to be able to use this kind of method, but I haven't seen any pad tutorials. Are there any tips and tricks I need to know for that?
@princekanbatsu2301
@princekanbatsu2301 4 жыл бұрын
You press BB for the first back, Holding the B and then press down to get a downback command, Then you release the downback to get a neutral, and press again Back once to get another backdash, Holding the back you press down and so on, repeating this process. Its the same exact thing you watched here, except on pad you wanna buffer the downback input to be optimal and precise. It's in my opinion actually easier on pad cause you only need a single motion with one finger
@christianstevens9454
@christianstevens9454 3 жыл бұрын
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