Jaheira confronts the Underlord Nine Fingers of the Thieves Guild to get her help #baldursgate3 #baldursgateiii #D&D
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@JannPoo8 ай бұрын
It's funny to think Jaheira and Viconia had been living but a short walk from each other for who knows how many years and yet they never met (until this point in the game).
@adrienneinchi8 ай бұрын
That’s life in a big city for you.
@tschakob6 ай бұрын
I don't recall the lore but how many years has Jaheira been off to fight in the Shadowlands?
@travissteffel74315 ай бұрын
Not very long couldn't have been more then a year or 2.
@JannPoo5 ай бұрын
@@travissteffel7431 Shadowheart has been in the house of grief for 40 years. This is very clearly stated in the game. Viconia has been at lead of the cloister and her whole mission from Shar was to raise Shadowheart so she's been there for all that time. What makes you think that Jaheira has only been living in her house for 2 years?
@travissteffel74315 ай бұрын
@@JannPoo you missed the convo bud, the other guybasked how long she had been on her quest into the shawdow realm. I answered by saying not more then a year or two. So I'm saying jaheria couldn't have been out of the city longer then a year or two. Probally less time then that but I'm being as generous as I can
@DarkOdinos10 ай бұрын
Imagine if Viconia was recruitable. You could have Dark Urge, Viconia, Minsc and Jaheira all in one team. Just like old times, eh?
@ethosterros943010 ай бұрын
Its fan service in a way I dont like. They just Inject beloved characters into the game for no reason in the most contrived ways.
@feto531010 ай бұрын
@@ethosterros9430 how is it contrived tho,i have the feeling there is no way they could have put in old characters without somebody calling it contrived its impossible
@ethosterros943010 ай бұрын
@@feto5310 minsc got petrified and un petrified so he could turn up 100 years in the future. Cmon buddy.
@feto531010 ай бұрын
@@ethosterros9430 yep and for DnD that isnt wild at all,as i said its impossible to bring back a character without being contrived for some,i have the feeling there would be no explanation that would satisfy you on top of that jaheira and viconia dont have the age problem
@ethosterros943010 ай бұрын
@@feto5310 I would rather not have the cameos. But then I'm part of the crowd that would have preferred a divinity 3 from larian. I just dont think they understand baldurs gate at its core. Like they got the dnd stuff down just not what made that series feel the way it did. Maybe it's my autismo OCD but it just rubs me wrong even if it's a good game.
@jamesbirch52264 ай бұрын
Anyone else notice her memories are in the mirror if you choose to gain wisdom. Memories of a drow who served another but then came to shar and of companions that she remembered fondly. Sounds like all her good parts including her loyalty to her comrades where lost to the mirror
@dkylely3 ай бұрын
You're right i also checked. These "old players" be crying without knowing anything fr
@LightStreak567Ай бұрын
@@dkylely Emotion can cloud judgment. I'm one of those "old players" who have played BG1 and BG2, but I understand Viconia more than most of them.
@alexsolomon812710 ай бұрын
for all those that are sad about Viconia, remember in the "good ending" where you romance and convert her, she's quite DEAD...assassinated by Lloth. the alternative is she is left alive and in the service of Shar..who this game illustrates very nicely is NOT a good patron to follow if you want anything resembling a happy ending. And really..the concept of something like happiness and joy completely alien to her..going from one evil godess to another..pretty much doomed from birth.
@presticus10 ай бұрын
I'm more upset that they didn't bring Gray Delisle back to voice Viconia. =( Jahiera's VA basicly disappeared and Jim Cummings I think retired but Delisle is still very active.
@DonPetexX10 ай бұрын
This is the inevitable end for the worshipers of shar. Even dark justiciars aren't safe from her assuming she was still worshiping lolth she'd be in an even worse place.
@catoblepasomega10 ай бұрын
Still a worse version of her non-romance epilogue. They introduced retcons into it to make Viconia worse. Larian didn't have to do her bad like they did.
@joaomoura304410 ай бұрын
You forgot how she allied with Drizzt to save the Elves of Suldanessellar and received the highest honor among elvenkind. Now she is just a pysco evil bitch
@WebShaman0110 ай бұрын
BS@@catoblepasomega
@MitchellTF9 ай бұрын
Poor VIconia...she had SUCH a good arc in Baldur's Gate 2...
@ethosterros94309 ай бұрын
Right. Reduced to such cringe for a cheap cameo. May as well not write her in at all.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Remember mostly everyone in BG1 ended horrible in BG2? XD
@Exile199418 ай бұрын
Though from what I was told her arc led to her death by a drow raid
@centimanj89168 ай бұрын
@@Exile19941 She had two endings. if you romanced her, she would become a nicer person, and actually ingame make an Alignment shift from Neutral Evil to True neutral. On that Path she died, cause she settled down with the PC and kinda let her Guard down. The other path, where she remains Evil, is where she survives. Since shes obviously Alive in BG3, she didnt go through all the Character Development that everyone in this Comment section is talking about, so her unsympatheic disposition after stewing under Shars influence for 100 Years is quite understandable.
@Exile199418 ай бұрын
@@centimanj8916 I mean they did say in the game like with seravok(who was the main villain in the first game but became a companion in bg2) she had a chance to be good but wasted it so they could’ve twisted it to have it be both endings be somewhat canon says she did but saw the raid and she escaped and used astral projection either that or if the PC could shapeshift they could’ve taken her place
@karohemd242610 ай бұрын
I regret having picked up Minsc so late in Act 3. Such a fun character.
@Synthonym10 ай бұрын
Yeah I really wish you could have recruited him sooner
@ganondorf6610 ай бұрын
I regret going for Minsc right away, really ruined the flow of act 3.
@ethosterros943010 ай бұрын
Hes the heart of bg1 with that hamster. The only meme thing is such an iconic character is one of the worst classes in the original game and his agi and con score also made him not so good for melee either. Like his damage was fine with the str score but melees needed to be able to take hits and he was bad at that.
@thecursed019 ай бұрын
@@ethosterros9430 *miniature giant space hamster
@aidanjanemcintosh69199 ай бұрын
well I didn't. Maybe I will try to recruit him asap in my next gameplay, but in my previous gameplay I only have other place for long ranged AoE characters like Gale or Wyll, since Shadowheart and Astarion are unreplaceble.
@sesimie9 ай бұрын
This makes this OLD BG1 Gamer so Nostalgic....Viconia was the First PC character i ever romanced in any video game!
@Patriotismtriumphs9 ай бұрын
And 20 years later, you kill her
@Local_commentor6 ай бұрын
Vic is so silly 🐢
@JnEricsonx9 ай бұрын
So happy I met the OG voice of Viconia! ::holds up signed copy of BG2:::
@nathanieljefferies54914 ай бұрын
Grey Delisle?
@JnEricsonx3 ай бұрын
@@nathanieljefferies5491Yup.
@dreamsalamander10 ай бұрын
Anyone noticed that when he asks Boo not to listen, he actually covers his own ears?
@jazzyj783410 ай бұрын
And? Remember, that Speak with Animals is a completely common perk in the DnD universe, and that animals are sentient and will have full conversations with you if you use it to talk to them. Minsc just has the perk.
@Synthonym10 ай бұрын
@@jazzyj7834 If you use Speak With Animals you can't talk to Boo, who isn't a regular animal. Miniature Giant Space Hamsters are telepathic, which is how Boo communicates
@OathDubs9 ай бұрын
@@Synthonym If you drink the potion, Minsc will actually mention this, it's great. lol
@Spino-hx2mrАй бұрын
@@jazzyj7834 They're already Sentient. You're talking about Sapient Animals.
@angryvaultguy9 ай бұрын
Man jaheria and minsc appearing in Baldur's gate 3 is such a blast from the past
@bobstar24269 ай бұрын
+ Viconia ;)
@williamblackfyre48669 ай бұрын
And Saervok...and Volo/Eliminster....
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
and mentions of Keldorn, Khalid and Irenicus
@OursHommePorc8 ай бұрын
@@williamblackfyre4866 What about Korevas?
@TheFlamingPike5 ай бұрын
@@DasKame I would've liked to see a tortured, hellbound Irenicus in BG3, maybe as a boss. I kinda expected it at some point because there were many references to Avernus ( where he seems to end up ), we eventually go there too, and there was this book about him and Volo's monologue. Irenicus was the best antagonist in any RPG in my book. He made it personal with you and your party early on, had a complex storyline, had a pretty cool appearance and was quite powerful. He also had great wit and his voice was memorable. Unfortunately the actor who did his voice died in 2022.
@Jenn-lq9yu8 ай бұрын
I have to admit, Viconia is one of the biggest places I feel Larian fucked up in BG3. She's nothing resembling her characterization in BG1 and 2. When you explore her story in those games, you find out she turned to Shar after having to flee Drow society because she refused to sacrifice a child to Lolth. She starts off the games initially very catty and combative, similar to Lae'zel, but as you progress through the story you begin to crack her shell and learns there's a lot more depth to her. You can even eventually convince her into a full alignment shift, but even if you don't, if she's part of your core party when you beat BG2's Throne of Bhaal, she actually ends up teaming up with Drizzt to fight off an invasion to save multiple surface cities. A big part of your initial meetings with Viconia in BG1 and 2 is saving her from prejudicial surfacers who assume she's just another evil Drow, as in BG1 she's being pursued by the Flaming Fist and in BG2 a group of angry townsfolk are trying to burn her at the stake. So seeing them turn around and just turn her into another evil manipulative Drow feels extremely wrong, given her previous characterization and character development. It feels like whoever wrote her storyline literally met her, talked to her for like one conversation and assumed that she was always like that and hated her, especially given how Minsc and Jaheira talk about her in BG3.
@1wayroad9358 ай бұрын
Someone can change over the span of over 100 years? Who knew?! Get over it.
@TheLolrider8 ай бұрын
I've heard that this is canon from WotC, so I'm not sure how much input Larian had here.
@Purcader2228 ай бұрын
@@1wayroad935 Someone can have some gripes with your favorite game and discuss them in an adult manner? Who knew?! Get over it.
@abitdodgy28448 ай бұрын
@@1wayroad935 gEt oVeR iT. Sounds like someone who never play previous games and had it easy compared to some of us who wanted a great continuation of the story. If not for the success of the previous 2 games, Baldur's Gate won't even be a thing and you probably never heard of it until it gone mainstream with the bear scene. Get the f out of this series you bandwagon s**m Viconia is unlucky that she got bad character treatment but you won't hear mainstream fans complaining about it because she's someone from a game of 20 years ago. If she's someone like Joel from TLOU whose game is in a recent era, you would see the same outrage from fans just like how Naughty Dog did him in the 2nd game
@maelstromblitz96728 ай бұрын
@@abitdodgy2844 Gatekeepers gonna gatekeep, it seems. How about you try not sounding like a boomer who's mad over the success of the third game. Viconia turns evil over the course of the module that the BG series is based on, that's canon fact and predates the video games, so sorry that your waifu bait doesn't meet your delusions.
@nightwarden9 ай бұрын
I really don't understand why Minsc and Jaheira dislikes Viconia so much? She did not done anything bad during BG1+2...
@TheGreatDanish9 ай бұрын
Shes sharran. Let's be honest here. Worshipping shar is generally bad. Shes trying to destroy the world
@Selnathorn9 ай бұрын
I heard there was some retconning involved on WotC's side. The results most likely wasn't anything good
@ongoingprocessfailed8 ай бұрын
People are getting their panties in a twist because "ThAt'S nOt My ViCoNiA!" add or replace legacy character name as appropriate. You can't write for player choice, if Vic was redeemed she DIES in her ending of BG2 Jaheria can leave or be killed by the Bhaalspawn in 1 and 2 Minsc is not immune to player shenanigans. People have a hard time separating their fantasy that the game allows and the developers choices. Vic leaving Lolth for Shar is probably a mercy considering even if she wasn't doing shady shit she was strung up and on the verge of being burned at the stake in BG2 there is no normal life for Vic without a way to protect herself why not the goddess of secrets to hide from Lolth
@reduande8 ай бұрын
@@ongoingprocessfailed She dies only if you romanced her and stayed as mortal with her. Same with the allignment change, only if romanced. In canon Bhaal's spawn romanced Jaheira. Viconia canon ending is travels, saves the elf city once more with Drizzt. Getting recognised by elven Qeen and getting a medal.😊 Establishment of Shar sect, later they tried to kill her, she obliterates them... and get admonished by Shar. She was never an evil like other evil characters. From her stories: She kills only in selfdefense. Didn't sacrifice a child to Loth, had to flee and Shar was selected, bc She had to. In my opinion She got stuck with evil as a Drow. But her conduct. Like saving a beggar from being punished by Guards in Athkatla makes her a neutral.
@averybuchanan20297 ай бұрын
@@ongoingprocessfailed Even if you redeem Vic zero percent at all her baseline personality still wouldn't condone her actions in bg3 its shit writing either by Larian or by WOTC stop your BS
@zephyrprime6 ай бұрын
Well they really nailed the portrayal of Minsc
@Ildun10 ай бұрын
What? Viconia? Noooooo :( Took a lot of effort to romance her and changed her alignment in BG2...
@eastbow605310 ай бұрын
WHAT... THAT IS HER?
@zelsha10 ай бұрын
@@eastbow6053 yup
@nikushim666510 ай бұрын
@@eastbow6053 Not really unexpected. Drow are vary long lived, but due to the hostile environment and violent society. Its pretty rare for them to reach old age.
@AndrewTheZ10 ай бұрын
In fairness, the canon MC of BG1 and 2 (Abdel Adrian) really sucked and did the bare minimum. If he had put in as much effort as most players, the setting of BG3 would have been rather different.
@nikushim666510 ай бұрын
@@AndrewTheZ Its funny how much of a god you could create in the original games just power gaming the system. Usually something dumb like duel classing berzerker to level 9 then taking mage. Making a V line straight for the staff of magi then just proceeding to absolute shit stomp everything solo.
@MrConredsX10 ай бұрын
Viconia and Sarevok had returned to their evil ways! Go for the eyes, Boo!
@evilmiera10 ай бұрын
Real shame. Its kind of boring to see a villain turn good then turn evil again.
@DarthAiris9 ай бұрын
@@evilmiera It's kind of depressing to see people who clearly never cared about those characters bring them back to life.. just to butcher their stories. I'm kinda shocked how Larian thought this is a good idea.
@evilmiera9 ай бұрын
@@DarthAiris I don't think it's a butchering so much as it's kind of lazy. They did alright with Jaheira and Minsc.
@DarthAiris9 ай бұрын
@@evilmiera yeah, most likely accidently butchering. Does it makes it better? No. Jaheira and Minsc are fine, I agree.
@spikegilfer19979 ай бұрын
For a game with many positives, the handling of returning characters is... mixed. They largely seemed to have lifted the characters from their introductions and ignored most the development. It works fine with Minsc and Jaheira. Sarevok, arguably? It doesn't really make sense that a good Gorion's Ward would just let Evil!Sarevok run around. Either redeem him or replant him in the ground. Viconia though? She flees the Underdark because she wouldn't kill a child and Lolth's pissed. In BG1 she's found fleeing guards for presumably false accusations. Her party conflicts are never started by her. In BG2 she's running again because when she tried to settle down she got jumped and left for dead then killed them in self-defense. If you look at her character and not her cleric required alignment, she was more Neutral-Rude with the odd vicious streak than actually Neutral-Evil. So, even with her initial characterization, she didn't act like she did now. I find it hard to see her as the same character, different VA notwithstanding.
@Jenn-lq9yu7 ай бұрын
Just going to drop the text of Viconia's non-romance Epilogue from BG2 Throne of Bhaal here, since a lot of people seem have incorrect interpretations about her characterization from that ending: 'No longer with 'Bhaalspawn', Viconia went on to found a cult dedicated to Shar in the city of Waterdeep. One of her followers betrayed her, however, prompting the slaughter of the whole tainted lot. Shar admonished Viconia strongly for this, but she was unrepentant and again wandered the Realms. Viconia was still formbidable, and went on to prevent an attempt by hte Knights of the Shield to take over Calimport, and even worked with Drizzt Do'Urden to save the elven city of Suldanessalar from a Zhentarim plot. For this last act, the elves accepted her, and Queen Ellesime bestowed the highest honors of the Seldarine, an accolade never before given to one of her dark kind. Viconia reportedly bowed once without emotion, and then left. Her fate remains unknown.' This is why I'm deeply upset by Larian's portrayal of Viconia in BG3. This is her NON-ROMANCE Epilogue, and even in it she gives the middle finger to her goddess and walks off into the sunset after being a hero and saving a ton of people. She literally has Minthara's exact plot of giving the middle finger to every god that tries to make her do stuff she's morally opposed to with Lolth and Shar, and then in BG3 she's the exact opposite of her BG2 writing.
@0rbital_nugget18810 ай бұрын
Minthara basically insults all of House DeVir. It's hilarious
@dantedragocuore10 ай бұрын
Make sense considering the House DeVir fall from grace some centuries ago.
@LightStreak5679 ай бұрын
@@dantedragocuore 200 years ago, on the night Drizzt was a newborn baby.
@dantedragocuore9 ай бұрын
@@LightStreak567 thanks, i have a doubt about the exact date.
@LightStreak5679 ай бұрын
@@dantedragocuore I know the exact date House DeVir was destroyed. 1297 DR. That's 16 years after the Icewind Dale game, 15 years before the Icewind Dale 2 game, 71 years before Baldur's Gate 1, 72-73 years before Baldur's Gate 2, 75 years before Neverwinter Nights, 77 years before Neverwinter Nights 2 and Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, 78 years before Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2, and 196 before Baldur's Gate 3.
@spikegilfer19979 ай бұрын
Viconia and Vizeran = Joestar family technique Valas = "Break a leg, I've got several to spare." Alton = "MY FACE _ASPOL- MELT! ...... then ASPLODE" Ginafae = "The Zak got my tongue" And on top of all that, Matron Mother Baenre (Who is probably Minthara's Grandmother or GreatX? Grandmother?) basically summoned Malice to the Baenre compound to personally congratulate her on a job well done like the next day. So, yeah. The spite is justified, if a little old.
@avoidconfusion10 ай бұрын
Bit of a shame they didn't go with the version of Viconia that turned "Neutral" in BG2 :(
@Terralventhe9 ай бұрын
Alas, Viconia only turned Neutral if you romanced her. Meaning that if she were Neutral, that would mean the canon plot was the OG Bhaalspawn wifed her and had a kid with her, based on their epilogue. Not that I would object to that in the slightest, as that was my ideal ending. But it does interfere with the intended 'we aren't committing to a specific ending' angle they took with the OG Bhaalspawn's story.
@konstantinriumin26579 ай бұрын
But she dies in throne of bhaal if she gets neutral
@Terralventhe9 ай бұрын
@@konstantinriumin2657 I mean, she dies in almost all her endings. lol
@WallySketch9 ай бұрын
@@Terralventhe Why would they refer to the canon plot ? It's Baldur's Gate 3, they could let us import ou save file from Baldur's Gate 2, or at least let us pick the events like in Mass Effect with 'Genesis'. If they don't want to make a sequel and just use the lore of forgotten realms, then they can name their game something else.
@Terralventhe9 ай бұрын
@@WallySketch I mean, for one, Larian was forced to make most of their narrative decisions based on what Wizards of the Coast decided was "hard-locked canon." Unfortunately, that also means that all of the BG3 narratives are not derived from the previous games, but instead the godawful books where the protagonist was a dumb edgelord called ""Abdel Adrian"", and the author killed off Khalid and Minsc in the first five chapters because he didn't like them in the game, while turning Jaheira into a vapid bimbo who keeps falling over like a cheerleader in a horror movie, and who wants to jump Abdel's bones -- only to be forced to bring Minsc back in the BG2 novel because the game made it so. He ditched Imoen at every turn and.. look, the novels were just really, REALLY bad. lol So we were never really going to get a 'faithful to the previous two games' sequel in terms of the narrative from the getgo.
@b4st13n58 ай бұрын
In my BG2 party all 3 were working together.
@luminozero9 ай бұрын
I really wish I could have seen Aerie again. Even Mazzy and Keldorn got mentioned (by Minsc) but his new witch got forgotten.
@siektv17149 ай бұрын
He mentioned her once in a dialog
@luminozero9 ай бұрын
@@siektv1714 I must have missed that one. Shame.
@trishahernz78099 ай бұрын
He referenced her as his witch.
@chowmeower72949 ай бұрын
In the room with all the plaques mentioning Mazzy, Keldorn, and Jan there’s one about Aerie
@Zaxares9 ай бұрын
@@chowmeower7294 Does it say anything about her fate or where she is now? (As an avariel elf, she would be very much still alive by the time of BG3.)
@brendancoulter57616 ай бұрын
Honestly, This game basically assasinated Viconia's character, yeah shes evil but the is not a 1 dimensional cult leader. Plus she can be some what redeemed in BG2. Even if they wanted to bring her back as a villian, could they not make her a more interesting one? You could replace her with any priest of Shar and it would change nothing.
@kylesparks182610 ай бұрын
why does she look so old? I know this is 100 years later but drow live to be like 700 and she looked quite young in her bg2 portrait.
@Spotastic910 ай бұрын
She may have looked young, but she very much was not. She was over 600 years old when you encounter her in the original series.
@mc_rysiek527710 ай бұрын
@@Spotastic9 Where was it ever stated?
@Spotastic910 ай бұрын
@mc_rysiek5277 It states that in the Baldur's Gate wiki, but now I'm not so sure. We do know that she is likely well over 100 when she enters the scene because the time that she tells you about needing to sacrifice an infant if you romance her in BG2, would have been close to 100 years before the events of BG1. A test like that would be a test to determine if someone is truly an adult in the drow world, and drow don't become adults until their 40s or 50s. BG3 happens roughly 100 years after the end of BG2, so I would say she is at least in the 250 years old range then. Really should not be looking that old, then, unless something about Shar corrupted her looks.
@mc_rysiek527710 ай бұрын
@@Spotastic9 No, it doesn't, I've checked her entire entry on BG Wiki, and there's nothing of the sort. I've even checked her entry on the Forgotten Realms Wiki, still nothing. House DeVir has been destroyed in 1297 DR, 69 years before the events of BG1 (1368). On average, an acolyte enters Arach-Tinilith at the age of 40, and spends 50 years learning. Meaning Viconia would be, at least, around 159 years old at the time of BG1, and around 283 at the time of BG3.
@Spotastic910 ай бұрын
@@mc_rysiek5277 Check the wiki again. Look at the frequently asked questions on her entry. But yeah, around 300 sounds about right.
@EastStormDragon6 ай бұрын
I never thought of recruiting minsc before entering the house of grief! this game just keeps on giving lmao
@user-tq5xo9is6n10 ай бұрын
I saved her life in this quest, I still have to romance her in the previous parts of Baldur's Gate XD
@eln654510 ай бұрын
Why not Grey DeLisle's voice?she voiced Viconia even in dragonspear...
@TheAutisticBrony10 ай бұрын
They didn't bring Jim Cummings back either
@dnddetective10 ай бұрын
@@TheAutisticBrony They didn't bring a single voice actor back from the original games. There's more than just Viconia, Jaheria, and Minsc. It was pretty clear they didn't care to.
@thenameless327110 ай бұрын
May be that they didn't have the ability, may be that they couldn't afford to. All in all, I think these folks do well. My least favorite is Mercer, he's been in so much, I can hear him through anything.
@TheAutisticBrony10 ай бұрын
@@thenameless3271 I refuse to believe they didn't have the ability or resources to rehire at least one original voice actor. This had to have been on purpose.
@madmaninabluebox94910 ай бұрын
@@TheAutisticBrony To be fair, Jaheira's original voice actress effectively dropped off the face of the earth--finding her is likely more difficult than it's worth. Jim Cummings is a "controversial" figure as of late given allegations. As for Grey DeLise? Could just be she wasn't interested, or she didn't have the time. She's a busy woman with a number of possibilities and roles to act for.
@Tinandel8 ай бұрын
I can really identify with Minsc when it comes to Viconia and Sarevok. Both were characters who made a ton of mistakes and were given a second chance at life.... then proceeded to utterly waste it.
@Jenn-lq9yu8 ай бұрын
Viconia actually had a very solid character arc in BG2 that transformed her into a hero, and no at the end of Throne of Bhaal, she actually becomes a hero who teams up with Drizzt to save multiple surface cities after the events of the story. Her characterization in BG3 is actually an enormous betrayal of how she was portrayed in BG2. She literally refused to serve Lolth because she was asked to sacrifice a child, so seeing her turn around and basically do the same with Shadowheart in BG3 is the exact opposite of her original character.
@marvelgirlxvii7 ай бұрын
@@Jenn-lq9yubut she’s dead. She wouldn’t be in this game at all if she redeemed herself.
@Jenn-lq9yu7 ай бұрын
negative, even in her non-romance ending it describes that she worked with Drizzt Do'urden to save Suldanessalar from the Zhentarim. She was giving the highest honor of the Seldarine to which she bowed without emotion and then left. It then states that her fate remains unknown. You can go watch a video of her non-romance ending to verify that what I'm saying is accurate, it only takes like 30 seconds.@@marvelgirlxvii
@WhiteManOnCampus6 ай бұрын
@@marvelgirlxvii That was the non-alignment shift ending that Jenn was referencing. Even when Viconia remains Evil, she still turns out to not be that awful of a person. Wizards of the Coast purposely rewrote her epilogues to make her a worse person.
@marvelgirlxvii6 ай бұрын
@@WhiteManOnCampus ya I did figure that out.
@thecursed019 ай бұрын
lae'zels comment about Boo/space hamsters changed so much in my believe about minsc since bg1
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Everybody is wondering how Minsc can be alive after all the time, but nobody is questioning Boo XD
@elwin79647 ай бұрын
This battle there was the hardest of all the game for me. Until I used a globe of invulnerability. Quite useful when there is so much ennemies.
@_caracalla_21 күн бұрын
darkness spam was broken in early patches. daylight supposed to counter the darkness spell but you cannot fucking cast anything in the darkness because your caster char tries to walk for casting. indeed was the hardest encounter in the game for me.
@ivanshepelenko938210 ай бұрын
Well, there always are choices and consequences, Viconia. Farewell, my old friend and my new enemy.
@Rzepik9 ай бұрын
This isn't Viconia. It's her mutated clone created in evil Larian labs.
@centimanj89168 ай бұрын
@@Rzepik This is very much in line with Viconia in 1+2, without gooing through her character ark in these games... Which she canonically didnt, since her character Development only happens if you romance her. After which she dies. Which she didnt, obviously. Add to that stewing for 100 Years under Shars influence, and voila.
@Rzepik8 ай бұрын
@@centimanj8916 Nope. You must be misremembering things. 1. First of all, her romance doesn't have to change her alignment. 2. And the most important part - her non-romance epilogue is the heavily implied redemption epilogue. FFS, she joins Drizzt to fight bad guys. And she has a bit of falling out with Shar after the temple massacre (here retconned to "it was Shar's orders).
@TwoPuyo10 ай бұрын
For Shar! Shululul!
@ivanangeli9 ай бұрын
Viconia is ALWAYS in my (good:) party :) Trough both Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 :) Surface-dwellers can be so stupid. Lil alurl! For Shar!
@BIGESTblade6 ай бұрын
Jaheira was one of the very few companions Viconia actually respected while Jaheira wasn't Lawful Good and appreciated balance in all things. Now Jaheira immediately insults her while Viconia doesn't bite back. They were in the same party together for 2 games. It doesn't feel right that there's nothing else.
@TheFlamingPike5 ай бұрын
Agreed. Jaheira had a shell you had to crack. She didn't open herself so easily in BG2. To her it was a demonstration of emotional strength and she saw the same in Viconia which made her respect her. She appreciated Viconia's straightforward manners. Jaheira was more annoyed by the good aligned Aerie lol.
@katelundberg20294 ай бұрын
I never played bg1 or bg2 so I can't say how well this game does fanservice but having read the book on miniature giant space hamsters I do love that I was able to identify Boo correctly as such. I'm honestly surprised they actually existed but Boo does have a way of surprising people I suppose.
@stabcityblues52649 ай бұрын
Jaheira: So i can give her a huge (Bear form)
@The_Gallowglass8 ай бұрын
Man...Viconia really hit the wall didn't she.
@beaniethecorgioverlord60619 ай бұрын
I kinda wish if you were evil you could recruit her. Still, really cool to see her again!
@Noodles-sd9hb24 күн бұрын
Viconia's memories were altered here in the BG3 time; probably by Shar. She's still the Viconia that Gorion's Ward have traveled with. Everyone needs to go check Viconia's past in the Mirror of Memories.
@zidane00179 ай бұрын
I spared her, and Jaheira approved.
@Samurai-no4wu6 ай бұрын
I do feel sad about the route they took with her in bg3 but I guess her being commited to evil would be the cannon version. Besides im assuming they also did it because the evil drow companion role was already taken by Minthara
@samflood56315 ай бұрын
To quote Dimitri from Fire Emblem Three Houses, “Is this some kind of Twisted Joke?!”
@cianakril9 ай бұрын
Oops, I didn't sit on the bench and went straight to the dungeon skipping this conversation.
@fellipecanal9 ай бұрын
Goodbye my love
@silencio009 ай бұрын
I wanna see Boo scolding the gods.
@CapucineNighly9 ай бұрын
Jaheira.. Do you really mean to give her a hug? Around the shoulders or your hands around her neck? 😂
@Rzepik10 ай бұрын
Why the hell she arguably looks older than Jaheira? Why the hell even bother to bring her back as some generic villain?
@theepicduck692210 ай бұрын
Pretty sure this is part of stuff that wasn't elaborated on as much such as Karlach to a level. Plus BG3 is not a direct sequel (it's a fair bit removed to allow it breathe as its own title w/ callbacks like this interspiced).
@Rzepik10 ай бұрын
@@theepicduck6922 Just some good ol' memberberries that don't make any sense if you think about them for more than a second... I must be living in a purgatory as a punishment for all the laughing at trekkies I did.
@nalrashido9 ай бұрын
So Baldur's Gate 3 takes place close to a century after the events of Throne of Bhaal. Minsc got turned to a statue sometime after ToB. I don't think they ever gave Jaherria or Viconia their age canonically during the Bhaalspawn Saga.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Ah come on, remember what terrible Fates had most of the BG1 Characters in BG2?
@Rzepik9 ай бұрын
@@DasKame True. But the difference is they didn't have much going on in BG1, so it's MUCH less annoying.
@TheBarser9 ай бұрын
I miss anomen from baldurs gate 2. That guy was funny.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
and Jan Jansen. Needs more Turnips
@Alienoiable8 ай бұрын
he was a lot less funny if you "failed" his questline. Guy turns literally into a psycho.
@TheBarser8 ай бұрын
@Alienoiable he was super annoying and arrogant, but I liked to laugh at him. But yes you want to do his quest line correct, mostly to give him that wisdom boost
@dejanpapic14315 ай бұрын
Ah the OG drowifu
@ZaimGamePlay9 ай бұрын
i love this !!!
@Rzepik9 ай бұрын
I hate it!
@corrupt1user10 ай бұрын
Ok, who else is upset they didn't bring back Jim Cummings for Minsc?
@brandonspencer709310 ай бұрын
He's 70 years old. I think the issue was Minsc is 35 or so in game.
@Synthonym10 ай бұрын
He's retired and didn't want to do it
@Rzepik10 ай бұрын
He's retired. And maybe meToo'd by his wife.
@Leonson110 ай бұрын
@@Synthonym That is not the case. They never contacted him. He recently voiced Minsc again for Siege of Dragonspear.
@manuelsanchez964910 ай бұрын
@@Leonson1 Siege of Dragonspear came out in 2016 do you know what year it is dude?
@Mal-ue7nm8 ай бұрын
man they really trashed one of the best characters in franchise
@lipepsene3 ай бұрын
I did NOT play the first 2 Baldur gates games but knowing viconia USED to be an ally makes me hesitate to kill her, but I still want her shield, it’s possible to knock her, loot the shield, do a long rest and get the “spare her” dialogue or something like that?
@chrisstephenson34553 ай бұрын
What is that first scene? I only met Viconia in the house of grief for the battle.
@EyebrowsGaming4 ай бұрын
Shadowheart smells of milldew, confirmed. If Minsc says so, it must be true.
@Tasuke8 ай бұрын
Well now that I know Viconia is in the game, I gotta play it now!
@mc_rysiek52777 ай бұрын
Just don’t get your hopes up regarding Vic herself. You’ll thank me latter.
@mikdan88139 ай бұрын
Damn, Viconia. I saved you from being burned alive in the city square once, and this is how you repay me?
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Lolth weaves in mysterious ways i guess
@Ixcez6 күн бұрын
Kinda weird that Viconia looks old seeing as drows live for 700 to 1000 years while Jaheira a half-elf who lives just over 200 years makes sense to look older seeing as it's been over a hundred years.
@Ulathar8 ай бұрын
Huh? Where does that scene take place? I first met her in the Shar Temple where I had to fight her.
@user-fq3pv8mo8e10 ай бұрын
Отчего Викония постарела, она ведь эльф они 1000 лет живую. На момент оригинала она была вполне молодой. Помотала её жизнь.
@Dimitrius19919 ай бұрын
Шар - богиня утрат, тащемта (а также геометрическая фигура😆). Вот юность и утратилась.
@Ivan_Ivanov7098 ай бұрын
Потому что это не Викония.
@vladimirthegreen60972 ай бұрын
Не выглядит сильно старой
@Snumryk10 ай бұрын
look how they massacred our girl. I mean, I have romanced Viconia in my playthrough of BG2 and than ascended. The Viconia I knew was non evil and switched from worshiping Shar. They could have shown her a bit egoistic and manipulative, but this? Fuck.
@Methoswicca10 ай бұрын
She switched from worshipping Shar to getting killed by Lolth in the good ending
@nejiharuno10 ай бұрын
@@MethoswiccaOnly if she was romanced, non-romanced Viconia eventually found herself fighting alongside Drizzt and his group.
@Snumryk10 ай бұрын
@@Methoswicca only if she was romanced and main character chose NOT to ascent. In my case I have ascended and Viconia was romanced with her redemption arc complete.
@Rzepik10 ай бұрын
In her evil ending she leaves Shar too. Or at least has a faling-out with her, it's not clear. But I mean, c'mon, she joins drizzt and saves an elven city, take a fookin hint larian.
@retardo963310 ай бұрын
simp
@sterlingwirth793110 ай бұрын
I forget is viconia the drow you save in the city after you escape your captor in the beginning?
@LiamFarleyMA9 ай бұрын
Nah
@Slayen9 ай бұрын
In BG2? Yes, she's about to be burned at the stake in the Temple District, IIRC. In BG1 she is being chased by people and you similarly can bail her out.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Lolth has nothing for gratitude
@DetectiveNyx6 ай бұрын
oh boy a video showcasing 3 Baldur's Gate legacy characters all interacting with each other! i loved these three characters in baldur's gate 1 and 2 and putting aside my personal journeys with them, i think this is a neat little callback even if it doesn't fit precisely with the romance route (which i couldn't do because i made a female MC anyway)! i sure hope the comments section is respectful, openminded, and has normal opinions about women and LGBTQ+ people
@gustavosinclair71859 ай бұрын
I wonder which bg1 and bg2 might still be alive
@tricorn9 ай бұрын
Justice for Viconia! Damn this sucks
@samuelsun356010 ай бұрын
a necromancer... how is it?
@Mariloow9 ай бұрын
Its Nice to ser their reaction. Thing is...If you get to Baldurs Gate before solving that part of his personal Quest It becomes easy to explore the Dungeon. Act 3 should let you get more than 12 since the last missions doesnt grant anything more than enchanted itens. Money and experience doesnt matter in the last act...
@Slayen9 ай бұрын
I think cutting things off at 12 was a very deliberate decision. 13 is when casters get access to 7th level spells and thus things like Teleport, Forcecage, Planeshift, and Simulacrum. All things that I can imagine would drive the Devs absolutely nuts. So while I too would like if there were a couple more character levels, I totally get why they stopped where they did.
@ologracz11105 ай бұрын
Nothing a little modding can't fix.
@nathanieljefferies54912 ай бұрын
Lol for some reason despite having a neutral expression, your halfling looks so petty af torturing Minsc and Boo with Viconia’s name.
@toastyman1119 ай бұрын
how did you get her to show up to camp
@funbro9910 ай бұрын
Thing is..we have bg2 and viconia still isnt like this from what ive recalled.
@stannisbaratheon_110 ай бұрын
In her default non romance ending, she straight up saves an entire elven city from destruction and abandons shar. this is straight up a retcon that borders on hatefic
@kharngotrekson172610 ай бұрын
@@stannisbaratheon_1 Dont worry, people who dont know what BG 1-2 is, still have 100 reasons to tell you that the game is a masterpiece, that act 3 is good, and game is not in EA.
@stame41099 ай бұрын
@@kharngotrekson1726i'm sorry nostalgia blind you, but the game is a masterpiece, act 3 could have been better and it's not EA
@kharngotrekson17269 ай бұрын
@@stame4109 Well if nostalgia blinds me against a game with homosexuals on every step instead of good writing im all in for it.
@benharder78169 ай бұрын
@@stannisbaratheon_1WotC changed the lore, which is what Larian was using. WotC can't keep a consistent narrative to save its own skin
@StarAllKungfu10 ай бұрын
How in the nine hells is Minsc looking younger then both the elves??
@user-ry7cs6mj9s10 ай бұрын
As far as i recall, he spent a lot of the time turned to stone
@cronicasdeltiempo754010 ай бұрын
He was petrified for hundreds of years.
@Slayen9 ай бұрын
It seems that a century long mud bath does great things for the skin.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
i love that fact that many many many people say "Wait! MINSC SHOULD BE OLD BY THAT TIME!" and nobody had a Problem with the hamster surviving 100 Years XD
@flamingchickin9 ай бұрын
@@DasKame miniature space hamsters are long-lived compared to their distant worldly hamster cousins
@bibliotecaprohibida2 күн бұрын
Why don't they make a remaster of BG 1 and 2 with this graphics engine? Ufff I buy it without hesitation.
@Ludvik7899 ай бұрын
Reminder that misc is English pain
@Navak_8 ай бұрын
Here because I missed all these cutscenes because Shadowheart's plot got bugged way before this in the shadowlands. We managed to free the Nightsong long before discovering what it was, and then when we backtracked to try to fill in what we missed it was bugged and broken because the Nightsong wasn't there. Shadowheart was a schizo ever since, and many dialogues never triggered.
@C5Dynamite9 ай бұрын
kinda suck that, full evil team in BG2 is great.
@eln654510 ай бұрын
How old are minsc here and why he is still alive here...
@omerfidan862810 ай бұрын
He was turned into stone some wild magic saved him before the story of bg3 there is comics of it
@catwhowalksbyhimself10 ай бұрын
He and Boo spent 100 years as a statue.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
i adore that everybody Questions Minsc Age, but nobody Boo's... Space Hamster can be eternal i guess
@steffent.64779 ай бұрын
She looks way older than she should.
@ce51228 ай бұрын
Viconia was already hundreds of years old in bg1/2. She was a whole ass priestess of Lolth before becoming a cleric of Shar.
@steffent.64778 ай бұрын
@@ce5122 Do we know any dates for certain from lore or so?
@Jewels___10 ай бұрын
What is to talk to Minsc [and Boo] with Speak with Animals on?
@slitor10 ай бұрын
Protagonist will say he can't understand Boo even with SpeakWithAnimals DunDunDUN!
@Kill0rGurke10 ай бұрын
@@slitor thats because Boo isnt an animal but an alien. Speak with animals doesnt work on aliens.
@warallied10 ай бұрын
@@Kill0rGurke and Lae Zel said that Boo's race exist - just not the miniature part (miniature giant space hamsters) they're really trying to F with our minds LOL
@Mellie9 ай бұрын
One thing i am not happy about is how they made Viconia look. She is a drow, they live a very long a time so she needn't look as old as she does. Also, she is supposed to be stunningly beautiful, she looks like Courtney Love on a bad day here.
@purpleparadise5369 ай бұрын
I dislike what they did with her character as well but I think the aging is fine. Radiation in the Underdark shortens their lifespans, Drow are long lived compared to Humans, short lived compared to regular Elves. If I remember correctly anyway, mostly going off the early Drizzt books where Matron Baenre was like 800 and ancient in Drow years. With that in mind, and I think 125ish years between Bg2 and 3, Viconia would be middle aged in terms of Drow years. I also don't like what they did with the character but her physical appearance is fairly accurate at least. Unless Drow live longer now, in which case damn they just butchered the character all around. Great game but if they wanted an old evil companion to fill this role Id of sooner taken Edwin or Kagain. Hell, Montaron and Xzar even.
@Mellie9 ай бұрын
@@purpleparadise536 I disagree. Being older is one thing, but her looks are not like they should be. There are plenty of middle aged women/people who are beautiful, especially if they were beautiful when they were younger. Also, 125 is not middle aged for a drow. It may not be as young as another elf but it's still too young to have her look this age, especially considering how beautiful she was. She looks like the drow version of a strung out, drug addict.
@TerraDoctor9 ай бұрын
@@purpleparadise536 Drow ARE elves! The two races are equally long-lived; Drow society is merely more conducive to untimely demises. A the very least, Viconia ought to have looked younger than Jaheira any day, seeing how the latter is a half-elf.
@ML-HS16 күн бұрын
All I can say I am glad they didn't bring back Anomen. At least he is out of their reach.
@renanleandro591412 күн бұрын
Not my Vicky
@BlueprintProgrammer4 ай бұрын
Why Joe Rogan is in this game?
@darenhunt177110 ай бұрын
Виконию перекасабланило
@charlesboots65089 ай бұрын
What's the opposite of fan service? Because that's what they did to Viconia...
@cancergrapefruit88736 ай бұрын
Larian messed up with Viconia. They made a good game, but they messed up with her.
@davidpa92662 ай бұрын
So, Jaheira is still attractive, (though a lot more masculine than 1 or 2) but what the HELL did they do to Viconia? Why is the modern industry so insistent on removing attractive women?
@ecklesezekiel980410 ай бұрын
Just remember BG3 is not a sequel to BG2. It's an alternate history in the same setting. Basically if the Bhaalspawn never did anything (EDIT: I mean to say never ascended, they still did stuff "live their life") and just kinda lived their life. In this timeline Viconia founds the Sharite cult she made post BG2 and keeps it going. In BG2 if the Bhaalspawn doesn't romance viconia she founds then kills her sharite cult after they betray her, then saves an elven city with Drizz't Do'Urden. Implying her alignment changes regardless of the romance, just off vs on screen.
@ethanduncan164610 ай бұрын
What Sarevok is in the game and Jahaeria will mention that he was redeemed, only for him to go back to Bhaal decades afterwards. That kinda means Charname has to exist of Sarevok was brought back to life as good-aligned
@ecklesezekiel980410 ай бұрын
@@ethanduncan1646 Never wrote the Bhaalspawn didn't exist. Just that in BG3 what everyone did is very different than the canon of BG1&2. An alternate universe take. Which means that Sarevok can still be redeemed but how it happened is arbitrary. Could be the Bhaalspawn sure, but ultimately the canon ending in BG2 didn't happen in BG3 and what the BG2 characters have done after is different than the BG2 game epilogues.
@marcialhd10 ай бұрын
@@ecklesezekiel9804it is NOT an alternate universe take, it is just Wizard of the Coast forcing their own version of canon unto this, they have been trying to do this ever since they release the “Murder in Baldur’s Gate” module all those years ago.
@ecklesezekiel980410 ай бұрын
@@marcialhd A retcon then? Can you link me where BG3 is the official canon now? It's so different I thought it must have been.
@marcialhd10 ай бұрын
@@ecklesezekiel9804 have you not seen all the amount of products made by wizards of the coast in recent years that are directly related with Baldur’s Gate?, from the aforementioned module “Murder in Baldur’s Gate”, the module “Descent into Avernus”, the Magic the Gathering expansion in which all origin characters (except the dark urge) from BG3 were released as cards, to Baldur’s Gate 3 itself, that’s a huge amount of time and investment to create interest on a product, only to disregard it moving forward?… it just doesn’t makes sense, so yeah this is canon until WotC declares it not to be (which doesn’t seems to be the case for now… or ever really considering how good the game is doing). Plus it wouldn’t be the first time they did a retcon, first they retconned the games to canonize the (awful) novels, only to walk back on that and canonize the version of the story on “Murder in Baldur’s Gate”, so yeah they have done it before (despite people generally hating it) and they are likely to do it again.
@fistimusmaximus657610 ай бұрын
Viconia didnt age well...
@Ludendorf019 ай бұрын
I feel like they did Viconia dirty - she should have been more of a badass. She just seemed like a jaded old priest who went full lame villain.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Ah come on. Dirty? She's alive. What about Dynaheir, Xzar, Khalid, Garrick and many many many other Partymembers of Baldurs Gate 1 that died horrible in Baldurs Gate 2? Viconia is neraby greacful in her place in comparison
@ohauss8 ай бұрын
@@DasKame SPAMSPAMSPAMLOVELYSPAMSPAMSPAM. Nothing graceful about character assassination, and nothing bad about a good death.
@DasKame8 ай бұрын
@@ohauss Khalid? Dynaheir? "GOOD Death?" They died OFF-SCREEN. Thats POOCHIE-LEVEL of "Development" XD
@Rogan355 ай бұрын
Bg3 is a sequel in name only, its a larian game through and through.
@ongoingprocessfailed8 ай бұрын
People have a hard time separating their fantasy that the game allows and the developers choices. Vic leaving Lolth for Shar is probably a mercy considering even if she wasn't doing shady shit she was strung up and on the verge of being burned at the stake in BG2 there is no normal life for Vic without a way to protect herself why not the goddess of secrets to hide from Lolth. Minsc was brought back in lore in the Forgotten Realm mythos years before not as a ploy to shoehorn him into the game. Honestly, its nice to see Jaheira vibing, she's changed a lot but in ways I enjoyed.
@ongoingprocessfailed8 ай бұрын
People are getting their panties in a twist because "ThAt'S nOt My ViCoNiA!" add or replace legacy character name as appropriate. You can't write for player choice, if Vic was redeemed she DIES in her ending of BG2 Jaheria can leave or be killed by the Bhaalspawn in 1 and 2 Minsc is not immune to player shenanigans.
@ce51228 ай бұрын
@@ongoingprocessfailedEven if she isn’t romanced she still in a way redeems herself. She rebels against Shar and saves the elven city of Suldanessellar alongside Drizzt, she is then awarded with the highest honor by Queen Ellesime. BG3 literally had to retcon parts of that and make her character do a complete 180 back to being a stupid fanatic who didn’t learn a thing who just gets killed in game within minutes of meeting her again.
@stannisbaratheon_110 ай бұрын
The woman who abandoned Lolth and lead to the destruction of her house and the effective death of a brother she loves because she refused to sacrifice a child in a deities name, is now perfectly ok with kidnapping, torturing, and brainwashing a child in Shar's name, despite even in her own default non romance ending of baldurs gate 2 she has a falling out with shar and goes down the route of a stoic antihero, who saves an elven city from destruction with a very famous Drow hero. They don't act, look, or sound like Viconia. And could very easily just be a generic villain aside from the name. quite frankly Larian can fuck themself for getting a character this wrong and conveniently sliding into the last act of the game knowing full well people would've torched them if this was in the early access.
@childesinthev.7619 ай бұрын
What you describe could very well not happen if you never saved her (she dies, or survives through her own wiles presumably further scarred and embittered) or the PC didn't work their azz off to redeem her, she's EVIL on her character sheet, though of course she might say what you want to hear and what she needs to say if you're her easiest ticket out of some repeat torches and pitchforks events.
@stannisbaratheon_19 ай бұрын
Her default ending has her falling out with shar and saving an elven city from destruction before wandering off on her own. And she was only "evil" due to her survivor instincts. She even openly states she'd support you as your first cleric if you go the divine route of bg2@@childesinthev.761
@IllJoy9 ай бұрын
wasn't Larian decision it was WotC
@stannisbaratheon_19 ай бұрын
Jaheira is literally dead as per WOTC "Canon" that excuse doesnt work and if the choice was to butcher them comedically or not put them in, thats on Larian@@IllJoy
@crystalclark10259 ай бұрын
@@stannisbaratheon_1 Larian had zero decisions on the lore, it was all dictated by Wotc, INCLUDED RETCONS. If you want to rage at someone, rage at them
@Christhegreatbro10 ай бұрын
this game obliterated Viconia and Saeravok , dont bring back characters to destroy their characters , holy crap
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
So....remember BG1? And how Many of the Heroes died gruesome in BG2? Things never changes i guess XD
@piercingmoon249 ай бұрын
Man! I just hate it when RPGs stablish a canon. It always makes me want to play the previous games less.
@eln654510 ай бұрын
Trully i don't like that devs added characters from prev bg games here
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Baldurs Gate 2 said: Hold my Beer, i can Wipe out half of the Cast of Baldurs Gate 1 in many devious ways....
@bastiisalive10 ай бұрын
so Abdel never really romanced Viconia and Jaheira? Whats the history of Viconia? was she orginally an evil character?
@childesinthev.7619 ай бұрын
She was less crazy backstab-happy than Drow nobility was typically portrayed as (or at least that's how she presented herself when around a non-evil PC) but yeah she wasn't a good person.
@spikegilfer19979 ай бұрын
I think Abdel Adrian was meant to have romanced Jaheira, so it seems like their going for "generally vague sequel canon" rather than official Forgotten Realms canon. You can also make a pretty strong argument for Viconia having not been evil, or at least not like this.
@master-jager9 ай бұрын
Viconia aged like milk
@bengalgoblin7 ай бұрын
Given how Viconia is arguably the best character in BG2, going so far as to have her own romance theme be a variation of the main theme, this depiction by Larian felt really low. Now let’s be honest: I know people are all hyped up with the new BG3 and all, and while I like it too, I don’t think Larian is the best at storytelling. Sure, the game is fun due to its sandboxy nature. But the quality of writing is only ok, and it really shows here. But I don’t think it compares to the stuff that BioWare or Obsidian put out there when it comes to writing. Just go check Kreia from Sw: KOTOR2.
@saint_banshler84959 ай бұрын
the entire viconia part was just poorly written and executed. Really soured act 3 for me.
@mathieudevigne6 ай бұрын
Damn. I wish Korgan was back from the grave to Rip and Tear this poor dialogue and character arcs.
@Ivan_Ivanov7098 ай бұрын
Это не Викония. Это какая то левая дроу присвоишая себе её имя.
@naljiaskal50049 ай бұрын
They butchered Viconia in BG3 they made her a plain villian - she's not the character she was in BG1 & 2.
@DasKame9 ай бұрын
Aw come on: How Many BG1 Characters died terrible in Bg2? i remember at least 5.
@ohauss8 ай бұрын
@@DasKame Spamming that doesn't make it the argument you think it is.
@naljiaskal50048 ай бұрын
@@DasKame I loved BG1 but to be fair - the companions were not very fleshed out beside Jaheira or Minsk. Or do you even remember Eldoth or Safana?
@DasKame8 ай бұрын
@@naljiaskal5004 Nah, but i remember Khalid and Dynaheir and i was VERY pissed the "Poochied" both Off Screen in BG2. So i don'T Mind to fight Viconia (and let her Escape at the end)
@ce51228 ай бұрын
@@naljiaskal5004bg1 was only mentioned because viconia was from bg1, her big character arc and story was from bg2 which is a far better game.