I hate Rise of the Machines yet I can agree with this.

It is. Just cause something is worse, it does not elevate the first shit that was throw on the fan. Phantom Meanness and the prequels are as bad as they were in the past Rise of the Machines still is a slap to the face to T2 Enterprise still is a terrible contradiction and has bad writing. I know that Terminator Genesys and this new one, plus the new Star Wars movies and Star Trek Series make us think that those of the past aint that bad. But they are.

I honestly think Salvation is alright as a standalone post Judgement Day alternative reality film. At least it had better effects than Genisys.

The Black Skulls it is. Just because a new movie sucks doesn’t make an older one that also sucks better

I loved every Terminator film..1 & 2 are masterpieces. I love T3: Rise of the Machines but it gets a lot of hate it does not deserve..Salvation & Genisys were good popcorn flicks

So what you're saying is they Star Wars'd it...? Well, that's not ENTIRELY true. This movie at least made an attempt to make me care about the new leads, not like Star Wars.

Excactly and actress who plays chosen one is terrible acting. This movie is God awful. I hated it.

They killed off John huh? Hmm. So, what was the point of the original two films again? To keep John alive? Well hey I guess we learned nothing from Terminator 3?

@@KikBlava yes they did first 3 min of the movie and he's CGI and doesn't even say 1 word . The movie was a joke .

@@henryhill6637 it was the same actor who played him all the way back in T2 right? Well way to bring him back only to make him CG, say nothing and die in 3 minutes.

It did really. Everything subsequent just takes away from the greatness of what we had then

no it should totally continue in the judgment days future Wars is just sadly the others movies haven't done the proper justice to it despite the fact that i like Salvation which attempted part of the future war

John Connor went on to become a Senator and have a daughter the end.

Bullshit.

yeah honestly nothing will ever compare to the way the future war was showed in the original Terminator as Kyle reese it had this unique type of dread and a very apocalyptic epic sci fi that sadly we will never see again in any other movie but at the same time i thought the future looked and felt desolated in salvation i guess something about it did felt very judgment day to me but you are right, Terminator needs to be as dark and scary as it can possibly be fuck really love Terminator as a whole mostly cos Kyle reese is one of my personal most dearest soldeir-hero of all times

Did you watch genysis....

@@Jorge-wg9tq yes but that's nothing on what they did to my John Connor

Thanks for ruining it for me

@@kimnorth7060 in what way did I ruin it ? 😅 and if I did well that's funny to me snowflake

@Digonto Zahid oh dear another snowflake who just because he doesn't agree with my view he has to call me a fake .....round of applause 👍

Or just make something different without an old logo

Salvation tried future war but it failed, i Just want a movie set in the wasteland that has nothing to do with John, Sara, Arnold.

@@mgloco88 It didn't fail. It was all on fangays, whom cried that it's not 1:1 copy of T1 and T2 flashbacks - people were too stupid to understand that action of the movie was set up something like 20 years before Kyle Reese flashbacks from T1. Connor just got his scar and leader role of resistance, Skynet just started to produce model 101 and laser technology was in development. I'm not even going to mention that "future war" we know from those flashbacks is going to start soon. What we see in Salvation was people trying to hide and survive. They are hunted, caught and used as a forced labourers. Real war started when John became commander and taught them how to fight and resist machines. Fans of this franchise are: 1) Too fucken dumb 2) Still wearing nostalgia glasses

mgloco88, Same With Predator, Alien & Star Wars!!! Start Over!!!!

I don't even want the Future War. Terminator was a Great Stand Alone movie. No need to any sequel. It got 1 good sequel though, T2.. but now it is ridiculous. Even T2 contradicted that the resistance won and kill Sarah was the last ditch (now they knew they fail and send the T1000 too?). The idea that you can't stop judgement day and that Skynet or Skynet like AI would always do EXACT the same is stupid. The future war is a good setting but not interesting enough, maybe on a miniseries but not to watch on the cinema. I want a new franchise, i don't want new (but soulless) Terminator, Star Trek and Star War movies/series.

I felt T2 was a little too much like T1 but somehow it worked perfectly.. Even though I never understood how the purebred liquid terminator by Kyles definition would be able to travel in time.. From that point on it should have been purely been films about John & Reese vs skynet leading up to the point that lead to the events of the first T800 being sent back.. They were trying to make all that happen when they introduced T4 but many then bitched about it saying “oh but it’s not like the first two..” In a way retrospectively it’s those people’s fault what happened with DF..

Edward Elric, It's Soooooooo Fuckin Annoying About John Connor & Cameron Giving Fincher Shit About Hicks & Newt!!!! At The End Of The Day Cameron Put His Name To This!!!

Everything you said is true of course, but I would argue that Sarah is the main character of the movies more than John. At least for the first two movies. John is obviously important in T3 and Salvation, less so in Genesys or however they spelled it. That being said, I think them doing this is more the story saying, technology will always evolve, and will always outpace us in the end etc. Basically, its T3's version of judgement day, that its unavoidable no matter what you do.

Totally agreed. It's an abomination

Blame late stage capitalism

You are absolutely right. If I could, I will give you 1000 likes

They stopped judgement day, they succeeded, although I wish they could have handled his departure better, it makes total sense that his character is no longer needed in a way, otherwise everyone would complain that it is the same story about saving John blablabla and everything is a rehash regardless, then others want to see the war but we already know how that ends in all timelines so what's the point? the only thing new that could be added is if Skynet or Legion wins in total, but then the same crybabies will complain that it is too dark and too "lazy" or whatever which in turn makes these movies boring becayse it is predictable when the "heroes" always win

@@DarknessIsThePath It is the same story of saving John, they just swapped John for a Mexican girl.

@@sperrin I know it is but on the other hand, anything that happened in T2 would be worthless if judgement day happened in the same way despite their effort. I personally don't really have an issue with him dying more than the way they handled it, could have handled it much better imo. I guess partially at least, they wanted Furlong to be John but since he's not exactly "fit" today, they would have had to put a lot of money into making the Digital John all the way. My issue in the end isn't even of who is what, but the way the final third of the movie went, it went full Genysis bullshit over the top action that is just unrealistic compared to the first two movies and that realism is what makes the first two masterpieces.

@@DarknessIsThePath I bet Furlong would have been too lazy to get fit anyway.

The point of the two films is we control our own destiny. There is NO FATE. We have free will and can choose our path in life. The reason T3 is hated by Cameron is it basically supported the fact that John had no choice in his future. That he HAD a destiny and couldn't avoid it. Life isn't some script we are following. There is no inevitable destination for each of us. We are not born with a preset destiny. We have free will. Every choice we make decides the future. The future is in our hands alone, not written in the stars and unavoidable. The problem is really. WE as individuals don't have a destiny but without changing SOCIETY, there will still be predictable problems we can't avoid. An AI would learn not just from what we teach but from what we as a collective do. We also are a fearful society and will attempt to kill what we don't understand (Skynet became aware and humans tried to PULL THE PLUG; so it fought back).

It is much worse.

Craig Straight White Men are persona non grata in today’s Hollywood propaganda. You can have straight white male heroes anymore. They all end up castrated, comic relief, or dead to make room for “Stronk Wahmens.”

and T2-3D: Battle Across Time

Bluetynx great shout. That alone is better than all sequels.

remeber when they did this in alien 3? killing hicks and newt in the opening, screwing over james camerons work like that. how poetic that t:df does that to john connor

ravenclawtom and james Cameron had the audacity to slate that opening too.....yet here we are in Dark Fate 🤷🏽‍♂️

Well to be fair, it is the best since T2... but as if it's a high bar and hard to be :P

Terminator 3 is better

@Jonathan Bowen I thought it was the biggest insult to Terminator, with John Connor being killed just to be replaced by a generic character, and they had the audacity to make the T-800 a house-robot. I wanted to get out of the theater, but I forced myself to tkae that as a parody. T3 and Salvation are leagues better than that garbage.

John Kenobi Id this movie does well in the next one Arnie will be in an old person’s home crapping his pants

@@kimnorth7060 If this movie does well, it will validate everything wrong with Hollywood today.

It will bomb hard. Salvation and Genisys made some money back. They should use these movies as start of trilogy. This will never get sequel. And that is good because Legion future is bland and boring. It is fine Terminator action. But as part of series it is worst movie from all of them.

@@thomascoxe7545 the best T Film since T2 = period

@@jimcameron1234 It is not even realy Terminator movie at this point. I am glad i didn't see it in cinema. T3 may be worse. But no way this is better than Salvation.

@@thomascoxe7545 Unlike many haters i loved allways the first T3

@@thomascoxe7545 Yes true Salvation is the worst one

I think it would have been interesting to include John as a useless drifter... that’s an interesting concept: the savior of humanity is useless if the catastrophe doesn’t happen. As for Dani, they undercut the time paradox - she only seems to become a leader because of the events of this film... but that’s not really worked with. What about the idea that a future war seems to be coming anyway, no matter what they do? Isn’t that a cool concept to work with? The terror of inevitability... but the movie doesn’t nothing... too afraid to try something interesting. Alas, it’s a safe and entertaining film, but not at all memorable but for the controversial decision in the opening scene.

@@fgdj2000 Well put.

loved it

@Sandy V. sheep

@@alexestidecaliss Whay did you love it? PMSL Cgi to cover up the shit acting, shit story, shit characters and to shit over T1/T2. What do you think about a T-800 changing his personailty (Even though established he cannot)? What doy uo think about a T-800 having a pet dog? What do you think the point of sending a T-800 back to kill John even though he isnt the one the leads the humans in the fightback V machine? What do you think about female John Connor not caring her brother and father had just died? What do you think about REV-9 creating a gun to kill female John Connor and not just creating a blade and stabbing her? What do you think about REV-9 creating a gun that was pointless as he couldnt create gunpowder? What do you think about T-LGBT using metal rods and throwing them at a metal based Terminator and not the thing he is driving? What do you think of Sarah Connor leaving her car running and thinking T-LGBT and female John Connor would not steal her car to escape?

Appy Ammer - Im totally with you buddy, dont forget to mention animal like Terminators with tentacles and Legion's endless sci-fi skyscrapers. They ruined the movie, at this point I dont even want any other future war movie, even if they could did it, because it wouldn't be the future war as we all loved so much.

agreeeee

@DreamSmasher Yet they made Genesis and Dark fate. Wtf.

I absolutely agree. I liked salvation. The only way the story can progress is with the future war.

DreamSmasher It did make money, Halycron went bankrupt and they had to sell the rights again.

Only problem is Salvation was shit too. I wanted the Future War we saw in T1 & T2.

IF you liked T2 AT ALL, stay far away from this. It will only piss you off.

Oh for fucksake! Have you seen the first two movies? And heard this kiss ass get credit from the producers? Wise the fuck up!

@@joeferguson7262 not sure I understand what you are saying.

@@MatticusFinch1820 well I don't really expect it to be a James Cameron movie, or as good as T2. I don't think I can just not watch it at all. I'll watch it with low expectations. I can handle it.

Disagree. There's PLENTY they could do with this franchise and the Terminator universe without John Connor. That being said, killing him off on screen in the first few minutes of the film is probably the single stupidest thing they could have done.

@@shodancat1000 I wouldn't of minded if they wanted to focus on other people in his army. But John should always be the main part of the human resistance.

@@shodancat1000 So....basically, you agree....

@@MrCarpen7er No, I said they can make a movie without John Connor. That doesn't mean blasting a hole in his chest is a good way to do that.

Lol gotta have old arnie back xD

Well the Terminator said 100 years in t2 when asked by John how long he loves

@@smizdeazy 100 years shag session? Lol

100 years

If only they made smartphones like that

That movie had the potential to take the franchise in a new direction! But ultimately it went too serious and ended up getting side tracked from the John Connor story and focused on the creation of the new Terminator infiltration unit.

Felt like studio interference

As time goes on I respect it more. Salvation feels like a $200 million blockbuster through and through if nothing else, with every dollar on the screen. Genisys felt cheap and rough around the edges in comparison, and Dark Fate looks similarly meh.

@VRW G and thats half the problem nowadays

Err no its shit.

That's what the movie is actually about and for. Killing faith. Simple jon Connor aka jc has always represented Jesus and Sarah his mother who conceived him through immaculate conception(Kyle technically doesn't exist) and Jon was our savour yes? Well killing jon represents killing Jesus. This movie is about killing the male God and replacing it with a female one(the devil) .

@@lastofthebrohicans4998 jesus christ lol - whatever you're smoking can i have some?

@@danbh84 bro. Cameron specifically stated that's what the characters in the first two films represented. Let alone how on the nose and obvious it is.

@@danbh84 know your facts dumbass.

@@lastofthebrohicans4998 agree with you!

Illuminati is ruining culture. It is void of creativity it is their downfall people know it's crap.. all just to push their agenda which is crap. They will do to themselves what they are doing as a plan shooting themselves in the foot.. absolute true arrogance.

you said what I'm thinking better than I did. It sucks seeing films you grew up with neutered and destroyed for political correctness and woke applause

Yeah, and they try to destroy masculinity too, calling it "toxic masculinity"! Most of Hollywood and the powers that be behind it are weak, effeminate beta males and wannabe strong closet lesbians and feminists.

I would have to agree with the above statement. Why do we need a female character who is strong when the first two films have arguably the strongest women in any film. Her story arch is ACTUALLY good. Coming from a traumatic experience in the first film and then turning into a complete badass. She IS the strong female protagonist that Hollywood wishes they could still write. None of this stupid “ she’s strong because we say” bullshit. She earned her strength in the films. If I ever have a daughter I want her to look up to Sarah Conner instead of Captain Marvel.

@@ryangoldey4232 I don't believe she is the type of "strong female protagonist" Hollywood wants to write though, for the reasons stated in my initial comment.

The latter is the truest when it comes to this. Rushed scripts, bad dialouge equal a poorly written sequel tbh.

When and where did you see it??!?

Best T Film since T2 = period

"like their are times when you just have to leave a license alone from more sequels" This really should be the default thinking in Hollywood. Movies should be stand-alone stories. They shouldn't be vehicles that automatically set up franchises and sequels. Terminator 1 and 2 are great because they were made as unique stories that started and ended with themselves. Cameron wrapped up the "franchise" with the second story. That was it. It was done. He only did a second one because he had another story to tell. Hollywood has gotten us used to expecting stories to continue and continue and continue in franchises and trilogies, etc., milking things until they are beyond worn to the bone. And there is less and less talent and care being put into creating these formulaic sequelogies. Most of it is playing on nostalgia of things that came before in continuing this stuff, or rebooting things then continuing them again, until they die off, then rebooting again... A large chunk of it is also that Hollywood tried to be everything to please the world audience, China and others, which plays into the formulaic and terrible decisions.

@@TheHylden Manga writers are better at this. They tell a story and then its done. No reboots due to bad writing.

That would be AMAZING

I second that! 👍

fuck yeah

Agreed

True, but she couldn't seperate the two elements to become two terminators.

that disappoints me as a fan of Junkie XL. I have enjoyed his work as far back as that awesome Elvis remix he did. TBF I feel on paper the terminator sequels had decent composers, but Brad Fiedel has never been matched, and the rest have been middle of the road big blockbuster stuff.

Chris Londo no

No

ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The Hill are really looking forward to it 🤣

Me neither. My dad wants to though.

@@geert574 lmfao

I think it's a combination of Cameron's tyrannical cinematic genius and the fact that nobody gave an actual shit about the soulless, repetitive cashgrabs that came after.

You people couldn’t see that after first trailer they must be blind

Ian Barrett I saw all the trailers and came to the conclusion that the film would be lack luster And how blind of you to assume of others

Enclave soldier seems like lots of people have seen it so make from that what you want

seriously what was so bad about it? it was fine. probably the best since T2

harris priest It’s just t2 again

In a way... Salvation IS that Prequel. It's the only sequel in cinema history that is also, chronologically, a prequel!

@Farin Vacation it's a long time to leave to make a sequel, same with 2049, things are so different that it's hard to make then resemble the first. My beef is they put too many Easter eggs in and it jsut becomes self referential.

@Farin Vacation 3rd film is usually a dud, especially if you've had a Dark Knight for a second movie. Bourne is another example of third movie failings and just replaying number 2

@Jonathan Bowen if that's the case why are all the sequels either mediocre or completely shit. I liked 2049, it's very flawed, but so is the original

@Jonathan Bowen AI taking over has been a hot topic in movies for several decades, it's been done to death

@Jonathan Bowen yeah well, in 50 years weve had a load of movies about AI, how many of them have been great movies, not many, and I couldnt really care less about your scientific ideas as at this point in time it amounts to zero

Terminator LGBT1000

Oh, give me a f****** break! It's got Arnold Schwarzenegger, you've got more than enough man in it! You're pissed because there isn't enough penises in it? Cry me a river because in the end Cameron invented Ripley, Sarah Connor, corporal Hicks, Hudson, the T800 and many other iconic characters he has earned the right to create kickarse characters, regardless of you anti-bitches bitching for more dicks on screen.

@@Reephamike uh no, the problem that NORMAL people have with this movie and every other movie is that they are deliberately killing off legacy characters and replacing them with female leads. They killed John connor right away, and replaced him with a wahmen as the Savior of mankind. Instead of Arnold being the protector, the lesbian wahmen is now the protector. Arnold is pretty much thrown out of his own franchise. It's no wonder this move is bombing along with 2016 Ghostbusters, oceans 8, Batwoman, Supergirl, watchmen, etc etc. Get ur identity politics bullshit out of our movies and comics.

@@Reephamike when the first promo poster for this movie came out, it featured those 3 bitches on there and u know what they said? "The best part of this poster is that there are no men in it". Pretty toxic and sexist if u ask me. I guess they forgot James Cameron and Arnold who are men are the ones that made the first two movies so great in the first place

@@2hot4u68 you do realise that the actor who played John Connor gave drugs to an infant and a lot of other fucked up stuff. Again only you idiots are mixing 'lesbian' for loyalty. Arnold is in he's seventies and had the lead role in every other terminator except salvation. it's about time people like you learn to judge people by their characteristics not by their gender.

walked at 20 something minutes, just after sarah conner turns up on the bridge and does ill be back... i regret nothing

And you're a stupid asshole.

There is only like 1% feminist propaganda in this film, just like with Captain Marvel. It's the media and the marketing teams that want to make you think that it's Social Justice, but movie studios just want to make money.

You´re*

@@adilator No! You're a stupid asshole!

@DreamSmasher Maybe because the movie is actually bad?

Couldn't even kill the girl in Mexico. Should have just hired the Sinaloa Cartel. They would have got her.

@@jimcolabuchanan6579 Too soon man.

@@UnifiedEntity Yea, I posted that before the massacre of those Mormon kids. Was a response to the cartels taking over Culiacan to release Chapo's son.

@@jimcolabuchanan6579 Ah ok.

This movie was my inspiration.... . . . ....to start cutting myself again :)

I just watched his retrospective on T3, where you could hear he was really hating the movie for disrespecting T2. Here you have a T-800 changing diapers, a John Connor being killed ala Alien 3 with no respect for his character, the same rehash plot ( literally a poorly disguised reboot with John being replaced by a bland character ), a generic direction and an overuse of CGI. Even what they try to pass as somethin new is just taken from the other Terminator movies. Thankfully, it is a disaster at the box-office, and Doctor Sleep is gonna take over next week. I'm hoping Hollywood will get it in their head to stop digging an ever growing hole for the Terminator franchise.

Best terminator movie after T2 8/10🔥

IC C Thank now I know I can never trust your taste in anything. This was trash

It was ok. Better than Genesys.

That's funny, even then no one criticised The SC Chronicles. What weed are you smoking?

SCC was good. Better than most of the films. It was well received then and now. The only problem is hardly anyone watched it as it was too slow and cerebral so it got canned. If it came out now on streaming it would do really well probably.

Exactly, I just came back from watching the movie and boy was it horrible. For it to have a £200m budget it felt like it was suited for TV series. I didnt feel connected to the characters, the sound track was awful, the villan was forgettable, arnie is just too old... Man what a waste of time

Chronologically, yes. Salvation works as a prequel to the first. T2 is the conclusion.

It ended with T1.

@@sperrin No. It ended with T2.

@@Horrormaster13 The franchise was destroyed with T2 yes. That 'sequel' messed everything up. But the storyline really did end with the first film, T2 was just a superfluous mess.

I agree...but I also think if true fans of any franchise could have been in power to make movies that line up as canon in a common sense way, there could have been 20 great Star Wars films or 20 great terminator films. The problem is ever studio is trying to make a buck, and nothing else. They don't care if the movie is actually good. It feels like a great loss to me as a movie fan. I remember seeing T2 in the theaters in the early 90s (also The Matrix in 1999), and so I knew it was possible to make a fresh and exciting movie that was ahead of its time. So we must know it is still possible now. But identity politics and past their prime actors and bored creative forces leave us with subpar content.

Then explain to me why TFA made so much money at the box office, oh and TLJ? Both made over $1B finishing their run despite critics saying they both sucked.... I see TDF ending at $600M

@@bassplayer807 The pet rock made millions of dollars also. Doesnt mean it's a great invention!

@@bassplayer807 WOW they made that much money at the box office? Well.. great the investors???.. doesnt mean they're good movies?.. fucking moron. Cod makes a shit load every year?? What's your point?.

@@bassplayer807 TLJ made significantly less than the TFA and Solo flopped. The TFA made so much money cause of the gap since the previous star wars movie. Even the shill media is worried about rise of shitwalker now that the public has found out disney likes to buy ticket sales for their own movies to exaggerate their profits one year they falsely reported 6b profit. I doubt star wars has even made back what they spent to get the rights to it. The toy sales are doing awful not even collectors buy them, the games aren't doing as well as they used to cause EA's bs practices, Comics in general aren't making money especially Marvel so I doubt the star wars comics are making profit. Star Wars made it's buck via merchandise and Disney the king of merchandise screwed the pooch so bad they are trying to make it successful in china. Walt is spinning in his grave.

Check the LBGTLMNOPQ+++ section.

Download teatv app on your phone and watch it for free now if you don't mind wasting a few hours of your life you'll never get back.

lol, dumb sheep still paying for crappy stuff that should be free. you can stream movies for free, last 10 years, just imagine how much money you threw away, lol, dummy.

Yep, this movie is a disgusting cash grab. I'm so tired of these uninspired movies. I guess they think if they throw in enough badass men with vaginas they'll draw an audience. The sad part is, it actually works to a limited extent.

@@C1418OS I believe they didn't fail to be creative, because I think they didn't even try. It was all about their social ideology. This movie was a just a vehicle with a famous tag name.

OJ Simpson was going to be the original Terminator, but Cameron obviously went with Schwarzenegger. Given that we've seen Hispanic-looking Terminators, white Terminators, Asian-looking Terminators....I'm sure there are black-looking Terminators out there.

That would be weird af. How about a Brown one instead?

@Gavin Townsley Don't be so ableist, the next Terminator needs to be in a wheelchair too.

AMEN!! That was blasphemy. I saw this crap movie on a pirate torrent thank god but that scene was like shooting my 12 year old self. Way to go Hollywood. Fuck this movie.

No you didn’t. It was well known that his character was killed off at the start. You went to the movie knowing this and walked out when it happened, stop being a drama queen.

@@leecroft7311 look the bitch wants attention, then prove i didnt or stfu

If you didn't know that was gonna happen, you're stupid.

I would have liked to see a full circle story to the taking of the time portal, after that, but yes, it did feel nearly done.

Agree