Terrible choice of words by TV Licensing!

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@glastomole9570
@glastomole9570 4 ай бұрын
It IS bullying, it IS harassment! How the hell they continually get away with sending out these scandalous letters is beyond me!?!! CANCEL YOUR LICENSE NOW!!!!!
@stu8758
@stu8758 4 ай бұрын
They get away with it because they're doing the governments dirty work for them, it's basically an unofficial tax that can't be made a tax because not everyone uses it
@thoughtfulalbatros9683
@thoughtfulalbatros9683 4 ай бұрын
Because it’s a tax on the poor to fund the government’s propaganda arm… You didn’t think it was a trusted source offering you honest and open information did you? 🤔 haha
@s1lverproph3t28
@s1lverproph3t28 4 ай бұрын
Because people don't hold them accountable. They're not an authority.
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
If complaints go in they investigate themselves sound like the post office to me
@thoughtfulalbatros9683
@thoughtfulalbatros9683 4 ай бұрын
Because it’s a tax on the paw to prop up the gover_ nment’ pro_pag anda arm… You didn’t think they were a trusted source did you? (First comment got auto deleted so added some bits in so avoid haha)
@andrewgilbertson5356
@andrewgilbertson5356 4 ай бұрын
Hope the guy in Scotland who is in the process of taking a case against them is successful
@casper1240
@casper1240 4 ай бұрын
I have a feeling this is only the begginning of the end for the Gangsters at the BBC
@adenwellsmith6908
@adenwellsmith6908 4 ай бұрын
Do the BBC want a case that has gone against them?
@mattyy101
@mattyy101 4 ай бұрын
They wanted to add it to our taxes... so everyone pays
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k 4 ай бұрын
I've heard they all sit at their desks surfing eBay?
@andystewart9405
@andystewart9405 4 ай бұрын
I hope so too but the corruption is deep lol
@markpaul1154
@markpaul1154 4 ай бұрын
Part of this scandal is people are asked tro sign a form "to buy a licence" called a TVL 178 that is then used against them in court as it is a confession of a crime taking place. At no point was this person given any legal advice. To me, that is entrapment. Any interview should have taken place under caution with legal representation. Then they are frog marched to mass courts with hundreds of defendants lined up at a desk where summary justice is dispensed by private prosecutors working for a private company. . Of course all this can be avoided by slamming the door shut and locking it, better still dont answer the door to strangers.
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
Never sign anything 😊 they'll do it afterwards specially if they forget to give you copy 😊
@stevehorne5536
@stevehorne5536 4 ай бұрын
IIRC in the UK it's not entrapment just because they trick you into confessing - they'd have to trick you into committing the crime. If they trick you into confessing a crime that you've committed, more fool you for both commiting the crime and confessing it. If they trick you into confessing a crime that you haven't committed, you're probably going to need strong evidence that that's what happened and a really really good lawyer.
@luc122c
@luc122c 4 ай бұрын
A 6 year 'investigation' and they are still 'Legal Occupier' 😂
@Scouse_Wayne
@Scouse_Wayne 4 ай бұрын
In cases where the letters are addressed to the legal occupier, It might be hard to prove harassment because you're not named on the letter, and the BBC can defend by stating they are unsure who is living at the address, not knowing if the address was even occupied at all, or how many times someone new might have moved in. So regular letters to the legal occupier would be hard to prove that as harassment.
@meme2287
@meme2287 4 ай бұрын
Maybe 'Enforcement Officers' should be renamed 'Harassment Officers'
@djmattblack
@djmattblack 4 ай бұрын
Or just call them goons
@LOrealHardly
@LOrealHardly 4 ай бұрын
Can we not have a UK style Class Action Lawsuit raised against these clowns? Surely someone knows how to setup and have people chip in, I would!
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE 4 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
Is it worth it, lots of money making barristers and solicitors rich. Take years, what if people get disillusioned stop donating funds, not easy doing it on large scale, I remember the pension fight for armed forces veterans took years and most died before getting a no from the courts 😊
@niv8880
@niv8880 4 ай бұрын
I asked gemini, "can I crowdfund a lawyer/barrister in the UK to take on the BBC" the short answer is yes, followed by 3 very useful links to the crowd justice, crowd funder and go fund me web sites (I'm not posting links, not sure if Google removes them). It goes on to say, "Legal action against the BBC is likely to be extremely expensive due to their access to top-tier legal representation. Crowdfunding may not fully cover the costs."
@ianbennett1491
@ianbennett1491 4 ай бұрын
They are Salesmen. Nothing else .
@ep1929
@ep1929 4 ай бұрын
The 🍕 pizza delivery man has more power.
@stan_austin
@stan_austin 4 ай бұрын
I’m 100% legally license free. Despite telling them we don’t need a license when I first cancelled the letters are constant, at least every month. I believe it is harassment and decided to start keeping the letters a few months back as evidence in case a group action is brought against them. To be clear I find the letters amusing but I can see how some people may be intimidated.
@stoney2424
@stoney2424 4 ай бұрын
I cancelled mine during covid because of all the scaremongering. I did it correctly called them up explained what I was going to be watching on my TV and why, they agreed I didn't need a licence. They told me everything was fine but they would check again in two years by sending a letter to see if anything has changed, which I didn't feel was necessary but wasn't bothered by. Then immediately they started sending harassing letters saying the address is under investigation. They did actually send someone around in the end during lockdown, I didnt realise these "enforcement officers" were counted as key workers!
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
I cancelled got six emails one was confirmation of cancellation rest threats, then twenty four threatogram letters and creamed off with three visits. Sent all info to my MP, she said she'd write to them to stop it don't know if she did but I hear nothing now from TVL 😊
@roberthughes9527
@roberthughes9527 4 ай бұрын
This will be the next big scandal after the post office, so keep all your threatening letters as proof of harassment and intimidation for when the solicitors advertise for victims on a no win no fee scenario
@LiveoneLee
@LiveoneLee 4 ай бұрын
It’s not the next big one but that one is coming within days, although this one will be in the list
@Madonsteamrailways
@Madonsteamrailways 4 ай бұрын
I hope that the chap in Scotland is suing these people to show the Television Licensing Office should put their hands off our rights.
@mikespeers8281
@mikespeers8281 4 ай бұрын
Alistair Bonnington is a retired lawyer, he has a tv licence. His beef is that when he moved house he started getting threatening letters. Despite sending them recorded delivery letters and emails telling them he had a licence, they were all ignored. He’s now wanting £1000 compensation and quite rightly so. I hope he wins and puts an end to this one sided arrogance.
@davidporter9131
@davidporter9131 4 ай бұрын
Why has no-one stopped the BBC making such borderline illegal comments?
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
Money 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k 4 ай бұрын
They lick their lips.
@katiebalmforth1507
@katiebalmforth1507 4 ай бұрын
@davidporter They are ruled by the government, and so are always right !!
@niv8880
@niv8880 4 ай бұрын
@@laceandwhisky I wouldn't mind crowdfunding BBB to take the case on, he'd double his views as well!
@LiveoneLee
@LiveoneLee 4 ай бұрын
@@niv8880it would be career suicide if he took the case on, he has everything to lose, you take on the BBC and the Gov you will lose and lose big, he’d be discredited, disbarred on false allegations. I was always taught to choose my battles wisely and this is one of those times that you should do just that
@ep1929
@ep1929 4 ай бұрын
They sent me the 23rd letter yesterday saying they have no choice but to "continue the investigation". They don't even get my name right now, they call me by the name of Legal Occupier.
@ditch3827
@ditch3827 4 ай бұрын
perhaps their investigation hasn't got as far as finding out your name.
@ep1929
@ep1929 4 ай бұрын
@@ditch3827 they had my name and addressed me by my name when I cancelled back in 2019. (Still got their threatograms after recieving refund for cancellation).
@pzycoman
@pzycoman 4 ай бұрын
Hang on, you can't be Legal Occupier, I am Legal Occupier. Why are you taking my post?
@ian_bradley
@ian_bradley 4 ай бұрын
​@@pzycomanerm no I'm Legal Occupier! You've stolen my identity!!! Enjoy the low credit score and high interest rates! 😂🤣😂
@ep1929
@ep1929 4 ай бұрын
@@pzycoman lol 😂😂😂 i
@grahvis
@grahvis 4 ай бұрын
I have never had a visit as promised (threatened) in any one of the many letters over many years. It's almost disappointing.
@s1lverproph3t28
@s1lverproph3t28 4 ай бұрын
Same! I'd love to ask the BBC Representative what laws stipulate I have to pay, and ask him if in fact the BBC is a business. Which would require a contract, which then they would have to explain how I'm obligated to pay that contract 😂
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
I got three visits first caught me outside, everything he said I said netflix, he was ok liked motorbikes clearly not happy doing the job, he came back apologised realised he had been here before said goodbye . Third wanted to come in I just laughed at him he walked off heard More 😊
@ericmilligan3
@ericmilligan3 4 ай бұрын
I’ve often wondered how they get away with the intimidation and bullying that goes on, as you say Daniel, no other company or organisation would get away with it. Bring on a class action. 👍👍👍😱😱
@greenbow7888
@greenbow7888 4 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter what the public do, because the govt will protect the BBC. It will stay like that until there is enough uproar from the public. Even then the govt would buy time for the BBC.
@ericmilligan3
@ericmilligan3 4 ай бұрын
@@greenbow7888 enough uproar, yes indeed.
@shaneord7527
@shaneord7527 4 ай бұрын
Imagine if the environment agency was sending these type of letters out, saying there's no fishing licence registered to you, we're opening an investigation and may send some goons round to check for fishing equipment. 😂
@dine9093
@dine9093 4 ай бұрын
Last years Valentines day the sent me an 'Enforcement' letter dressed up as a Valentines card, red anonymous envelope and printed handwritten address to 'You know who'. - Absolutely disgusting tactics. Obviously I never watch live TV or BBC streaming services. This is after informing them of my situation.
@b.nichols3255
@b.nichols3255 4 ай бұрын
It should be stated that "an Investigation officer" will be paying a visit, not an enforcement officer.
@stu8758
@stu8758 4 ай бұрын
Not even that, they have literally no power to investigate without the warrant, they're merely a door to door sale rep
@parkamark
@parkamark 4 ай бұрын
A sales representative, yes.
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
Goon
@alfredisted305
@alfredisted305 4 ай бұрын
How can they swear under oath that they have evidence that someone in a top floor flat is watching TV illegally if no-one talks þo them? Yet they do go into flats and ring door bells!
@InderjeetSingh-im3eh
@InderjeetSingh-im3eh 4 ай бұрын
I've received a number of these letters. They started after I let my licence expire, as I did not need one anymore. They were informed and even cancelled the Direct Debit for me. However, when it came closer to the licence expiry date they started sending these letters. After the third one I sent them an email expressing my annoyance that left hand was not talking to their right hand and they sent their token apology for it. They kept insisting that they would continue to contact me, as if I was untrustworthy. As such I refuse to do anything that requires a licence and for some reason they cannot fathom this.
@andy5351
@andy5351 4 ай бұрын
I have had hundreds of letters over the years and never had a visit. Lots of threats and all a lot of bluff. They just waste money. It’s Pathetic 🥴👍
@mikeypeters7003
@mikeypeters7003 4 ай бұрын
Why are people not getting together and taking legal action about the way they behave? And why domthe government allow it. Surely ofcom should be doing something too. How can it happen in this day and age.
@stu8758
@stu8758 4 ай бұрын
They get away with it because they're doing the governments dirty work for them, it's basically an unofficial tax that can't be made a tax because not everyone uses it
@jackwaycombe
@jackwaycombe 4 ай бұрын
Ofcom are a total waste of space.
@robtheplod
@robtheplod 4 ай бұрын
Ofcom is full of ex bbc staff...
@richertz
@richertz 4 ай бұрын
Quangos, another massive issue in this country. Piles of waste upon waste.
@GuyRutter
@GuyRutter 4 ай бұрын
Ive also got a pile of letters. I’ve also been ‘scheduled’ many times. It means absolutely nothing.
@yvonnebell4025
@yvonnebell4025 4 ай бұрын
Md too. Still waiting 😂
@666ingz
@666ingz 4 ай бұрын
I've been receiving these threats for 8 years.
@jackwaycombe
@jackwaycombe 4 ай бұрын
I had a distant neighbour who received these threats every year for several years after he died! Despite the new residents of his home informing Crapitas of this after the first letter. They didn't feel under any responsibility to keep on replying.
@stephenbrookes7268
@stephenbrookes7268 4 ай бұрын
I have not owned a TV set since 2007. I have had letters of this nature and onn one occasion a chap called round and asked to come in and see if I was telling the truth about not having a TV. I refused entry. He said that he would be back. I did not have any more visits but continued to receive evermore intense letters. One informing me of a investigation. The assumption that everyone has a tv is actually odd. I do not have a dog and no dog licence inspectors call. I wonder, how many dog owners do not have a licence? Should they receive the same treatment? I have a pet bee called Eric!
@alexmarshall4331
@alexmarshall4331 4 ай бұрын
What a WHOLE BEE? Not half a bee?🩲⁉️
@polina_piter
@polina_piter 4 ай бұрын
That’s a good point
@stephenbrookes7268
@stephenbrookes7268 4 ай бұрын
@@alexmarshall4331 He had an accident.
@ditch3827
@ditch3827 4 ай бұрын
Why does the BBC say on its form for care homes "IMPORTANT NOTE: Please ensure all residents are aware that they are required to hold the relevant full fee TV Licence"? Surely residents do not need one if they don't watch iPlayer or broadcast TV.
@LOrealHardly
@LOrealHardly 4 ай бұрын
[ALDI] Please ensure all residents are aware they are required to buy our bread everyday If ALDI tried that they'd be right in court, who says the corrupt Old Boy Network isn't alive and kicking?
@HumansAreShitFactories
@HumansAreShitFactories 4 ай бұрын
That’s why it says ‘relevant’. Relevant to their status of needing a license or not.
@ditch3827
@ditch3827 4 ай бұрын
@@HumansAreShitFactories A rather ambiguous and misleading wording. It you interpretation is correct then every man woman child and dog must have a relevant full TV licence too then !
@melvinplant8637
@melvinplant8637 4 ай бұрын
If they are in a care home ,the individuals should not need a TV licence, only the care home itself should have the licence
@HumansAreShitFactories
@HumansAreShitFactories 4 ай бұрын
@@ditch3827 although my original comment has disappeared, it’s not my interpretation it’s the law. Every separate household is required to have one. What is apparent is that lots of ignorant people come on KZfaq comments and post incorrectly about things they know nothing about, just like the person above.
@andrewruddiforth5823
@andrewruddiforth5823 4 ай бұрын
There needs to be legislation brought in that any abuse of legislation is an offence & can face fines.
@williammurray6921
@williammurray6921 4 ай бұрын
What is the warrant for. What are they looking for, when the law says you need a licence to watch bbc etc etc. if you are not watching any tv when they visit what is the point.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 4 ай бұрын
thing is if you HAVE a device capable of receiving tv they'll likely still do you because of this, regardless whether you actually use it for it, they'll assume guilt unless you prove innocence!
@Ollybus
@Ollybus 4 ай бұрын
@@andygozzo72 Innocent until proved guilty.
@RadioJonophone
@RadioJonophone 4 ай бұрын
Under the Communications Act if you have a device installed for the purpose of receiving broadcast TV or downloading BBC TV programmes by iPlayer you require a licence. The warrant allows Capita goons to inspect your equipment (ooh, Matron!) to ascertain if it is installed to do the receiving or downloading. The mere presence of a TV set or similar is not sufficient, it has to have been set up to receive or download as per Act. I have a TV which I use as a video monitor and occasionally a DVD player. It has no aerial or internet connection, has never been tuned to receive TV signals and is incapable of displaying off-air pictures or iPlayer files. No amount of switching on or off by a goon is going to change that. I have computers, tablets, and smart phones that could be used to display TV broadcasts and iPlayer BBC programmes, but they are not set up to do so. No goon could activate something that is not there.
@s1lverproph3t28
@s1lverproph3t28 4 ай бұрын
They can't provide a warrant because it'll go to a civil court and not a criminal one. That's why debt collectors come after you and not police. The BBC are not an authority, just a bully. There is no law saying you have to pay and they have no devices that can detect anything. All they have are their lies that we have to pay. It falls under contract law, and you're not obligated to go into any contract if you don't want. The fact that people gives the BBC their details and tells them that they don't watch TV etc still means they're handing over authority to them, and are held responsible if found out to be lying. Just don't give them anything. If they send a letter saying "legal occupier" throw it in the bin. Your name isn't legal occupier. Read up on contract law and legalese and get a firm understanding of the different laws and jurisdictions 🖖
@s1lverproph3t28
@s1lverproph3t28 4 ай бұрын
​​@@RadioJonophonewatch what you want pal. They have no lawful actions to take anyway because they're a business. Not an authority. If they knock on your door talk to them, but they don't have to be let in. I play games with them now, but they don't have the law behind them only contracts from where people have agreed to their terms and conditions. Acts are more like rules than laws.
@Pugwash.
@Pugwash. 4 ай бұрын
In about October 2020 I declared I didn't need a licence and subsequently told them to stop sending me threatening letters. They began sending threat letters again in December 2022 and every month since, although I don't have the October 2023 letter. It was lost in the post or the recycling. I hope it was nothing urgent!
@southerncomfortuk
@southerncomfortuk 4 ай бұрын
It’s baffling that T.V. Licensing’s stance on ownership of a television set/electronic device amounts to evidence for potential law breaking and therefore guilt and court action. If someone stores a vehicle on their driveway for which they’ve applied for a SORN certificate - DVLA doesn’t send hundreds of threatening letters telling the owner that enforcement officers will be visiting to ensure the vehicle isn’t being driven. There seems to be some disparity between these two government agencies and how they treat their customers. Why does T.V. Licensing harass innocent people with threats of court action when DVLA seems to accept a written declaration without an issue?
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 4 ай бұрын
The SORN issue is slightly different - there are ANPR cameras everywhere that will reveal if you're driving your SORNed car. There's no such detection for TV, so they resort to threats.
@Mog435
@Mog435 4 ай бұрын
I get all of these letters . I don’t need a license .
@alexdavis1541
@alexdavis1541 4 ай бұрын
Regarding these threats, that get rather long-in-the-tooth and stale after a while, it probably matters not one bit to the agency sending them that they really mean anything at all. Bear in mind it is an agent acting for the BBC, it's not the BBC. What they are concerned about is that they can prove to their client (the BBC) that they have at least been contacting the addresses in question. There will be bureaucrats at the BBC responsible for ticking the boxes in question and so the contractual arrangements continue. Senior BBC management then prefer to believe this proves they are getting value for money. Everyone goes home at 5.00 pm blissful and happy.
@tech10k14
@tech10k14 4 ай бұрын
Do NOT pay. Do NOT speak to the goons!
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef 4 ай бұрын
Come to Australia 🇦🇺 we’ve never had tv licences.
@HumansAreShitFactories
@HumansAreShitFactories 4 ай бұрын
Yes good idea. We’ll all stop our lives here, relocate ourselves to the other side of the planet costing thousands, all to save less than £200.
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef 4 ай бұрын
@@HumansAreShitFactories 😜
@NineLivesburra
@NineLivesburra 4 ай бұрын
​@@HelenWilliams-nu7efI've been there, came as a child with my parents. They stayed, I left as soon as I was old enough to do so.
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef
@HelenWilliams-nu7ef 4 ай бұрын
@@NineLivesburra oh sorry, didn’t you like living in Australia 🇦🇺.
@NineLivesburra
@NineLivesburra 4 ай бұрын
@@HelenWilliams-nu7ef Don't get me wrong, I love the nature and country but I am a cold weather person. I simply couldn't handle 50°C in the shade any longer and that was several decades ago. Australia has some immense beauty and wildlife, even though it has most of the things that actively want to kill you 😹 but the weather was too much for me.
@shaneord7527
@shaneord7527 4 ай бұрын
I've got a stack of these, I originally declared I didn't need a licence (which I don't). This was 8-10 years ago. But it wound me up that I had to do that so after 2 years I didn't declare again. I was getting monthly letters that I'd just bin. At the end of 2020 I thought it was getting ridiculous and was tantamount to harassment, so started saving them. My letters are dated. 12.20 01.21 02.21 03.21 03.21 04.21 05.21 06.21 07.21 08.21 09.21 10.21 11.21 12.21 01.22 02.22 03.22 03.22 04.22 05.22 06.2230.06.22 (we visited today notice, heard it come through the door as I was working from home, no one knocked). 07.22 14.07.22 08.22 09.22 03.23 08.23 Thankfully I haven't had another but holding onto these in case they start again.
@JohnWalker-rt6ue
@JohnWalker-rt6ue 4 ай бұрын
Enforcement Officer? By this description, they’ll be ‘forcing’ the householder (possibly using torture) to buy a TV license whether they need one or not.
@greenbow7888
@greenbow7888 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, that the TV License will be enforced/forced upon you, no matter what. Fear tactics, just like the non-existant TV detector vans.
@roncouch
@roncouch 4 ай бұрын
Surely to goodness, making empty threats equates to a vexatious and unfounded accusation based on an ‘argument’ that ‘someone’ might be guilty of an offence without the foundation of any evidence to show any such offence has occurred or is intended. It’s nothing less than legal posturing” hoping the addressee will ‘crumble’ under the pressure, and buy a licence, when in fact, they do not, in their case, need one.Is not the option to “take further action” time barred, in law? Surely, again the Licensing authority is out of order if it uses such language without threat of a time barring kicking in? Any other transaction one engages in in life will almost certainly have implied time bars or set in place when contracts are drawn up; such as completion dates for, say, building an extension to one’s home? Yes, this situation, is in reality just a breath away form another case of an institution within ‘the Establishment, which has become a law unto itself, and, just like the Post Office, wholly and outrageously unaccountable.
@stephenfowlie4429
@stephenfowlie4429 4 ай бұрын
thank you for standing up against TV licensing
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 4 ай бұрын
I discontinued my TV license several months ago as I deemed the content unworthy of the price. My brother has been license-free for 7 years and has a sheaf of letters close to an inch thick from TV Licensing threatening enforcement visits. He's never been visited to his knowledge in all that time, but the threats keep coming.
@View_Tube4K
@View_Tube4K 4 ай бұрын
I had this same problem for years where I had letter after letter saying I didn't have a TV licence at this address (true) and that I need to inform them why. I knew I didn't have to reply as I don't watch TV and haven't done so for over 16 years now. I don't record any live TV etc either. This carried on and on and then they were sending me letters saying that I was breaking the law and they would send officers out to my address if I didn't reply. I ignored the letter, then they sent more letters saying are you going to be in on such and such a date as they will be coming round, they didn't, and it continued the same letters, and in the end it was getting to me as I wasn't breaking the law, don't watch TV and didn't need a TV licence. I contacted the CAB and told them, they took over and I never heard from the TV Licensing again, at least to this day. Maybe they might be getting bored and want me to pay for something I don't need and start all over again. I hope someone does sue these for what they put innocent people through, as it is harassment, and your been made to feel like your a criminal doing something wrong, even when you know full well your are not.
@martyndawson7484
@martyndawson7484 4 ай бұрын
Even possessing the equipment to potentially watch scheduled programmes doesn't prove you have done so or intend to do so. Having a crate of beer at home doesn't mean you intend to drink and drive. Unless you are actually watching when they arrive and then let them in with the TV still on their is no proof. Looking through a window is trespassing.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 4 ай бұрын
doesnt matter, if you have the equipment they'll claim you must be using it for it or why do you have it, ...
@jonwyatt3694
@jonwyatt3694 4 ай бұрын
​@@andygozzo72 Yes it does matter. Any claim made by tvl is merely speculation. Unless you admit to receiving broadcast signals, Then No Proof Exists. I may have a tv set in every room, the reason I have them is immaterial. Nobody is entitled to an explanation. No thanks. Say nothing else. Shut the door.
@Ollybus
@Ollybus 4 ай бұрын
@@andygozzo72 To watch DVDs
@RadioJonophone
@RadioJonophone 4 ай бұрын
Under the Communications Act if you have a device installed for the purpose of receiving broadcast TV or downloading BBC TV programmes by iPlayer you require a licence. The warrant allows Capita goons to inspect your equipment (ooh, Matron!) to ascertain if it is installed to do the receiving or downloading. The mere presence of a TV set or similar is not sufficient, it has to have been set up to receive or download as per Act. I have a TV which I use as a video monitor and occasionally a DVD player. It has no aerial or internet connection, has never been tuned to receive TV signals and is incapable of displaying off-air pictures or iPlayer files. No amount of switching on or off by a goon is going to change that. I have computers, tablets, and smart phones that could be used to display TV broadcasts and iPlayer BBC programmes, but they are not set up to do so. No goon could activate something that is not there.
@martyndawson7484
@martyndawson7484 4 ай бұрын
You seem to be agreeing that these cases are prosecuting without the necessary burden of proof for guilt being satisfied. Like owning a kitchen a kitchen knife would be proof that you are a murderer, that you own it because you intend to use it in a crime... or having a can of petrol in your garage is evidence that you are an arsonist. It's astonishing that the government continue to let the BBC behave this way when simply moving to a subscription service for the minority who still want the BBC could be easily arranged. There would be so few who want that it would be the end of the BBC. That's what the majority want and it is about time our over-paid MPs made that happen.
@noelward8047
@noelward8047 4 ай бұрын
Were is the BBC's carbon footprint concerns with regards of all the letters they send out ? Many of them cannot be recycled because they have a plastic window ... why ? Is it a 'nudge' attempt to have your postie scowl because he knows you do not have a TV Tax payment agreement. (Obviously I have to add that the postie could also be female) !
@wasspj
@wasspj 4 ай бұрын
The BBC don't care, they contract it out to crapita.
@user-eg8pv2om7j
@user-eg8pv2om7j 4 ай бұрын
Remember the 2014 case where a claimant won their case against TV licensing and were awarded backdated fees for dealing with every such letter / threat . £40 per letter plus costs etc.
@tristandunn4628
@tristandunn4628 4 ай бұрын
I think some kind of harassment case needs to be filed and won against TV Licensing. Their MO is way out of line. No other company/organisation would get away with this. How much money are they wasting on hounding people who legitimately don't need a license in the first place - let alone the psychological ramifications of their actions. I don't think it's unreasonable for it to be along the lines of SORN for those that are declaring their vehicle to be out of action for 12 months. Some kind of opt out scheme, by filling in a form (physical or on line) that simply asks if you watch/record broadcast television or the BBC in any way. No threats of illegal activity. Just a plain and simple question.
@mikecorrigan763
@mikecorrigan763 4 ай бұрын
In my experience, the layman stands no chance of getting a fair hearing in the County Court on a Protection From Harassment Act 1997 claim. I sued a debt collector under this legislation after 80 letters and over 500 nuisance phonecalls over an alleged debt that was more than 6 years old when the debt collectors purchased it (statute barred - not legally enforceable). The judge was extremely rude and aggressive, refused to let me get a word in edgeways and refused to let me cite case law (Ferguson v British Gas). He literally laughed at me and said there was no limit on the amount of letters and phonecalls the defendant was allowed to make. He didn't give me any legal basis for his decision. He refused me leave to appeal against his judgment.
@Trebor74
@Trebor74 4 ай бұрын
Should use citizens advice. They are listened to far more than a layman.
@Rhyd
@Rhyd 4 ай бұрын
The amount of harm they have caused can’t be calculated. This level of harassment over such a long period of time and to so many properly licences households is insanity. Not only is it the stupid amount of letters, the salesmen they employ aren’t just looking to correctly licence a property, they want to make sure they can make an example out of anyone no matter how vulnerable.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 4 ай бұрын
its like being assumed guilty unless you prove you.re innocent,, .. they assume everyone IS watching tv so 'must' have a licence , i bet it will end up being made a mandatory tax/levy of some kind everyone has to pay regardless, and done by each person, not household, ' so screwing more out of us, they've got to make up for all the 'missing' money somehow, and keep their rich banker/wef masters happy
@laceandwhisky
@laceandwhisky 4 ай бұрын
Yep it will and all those who complain don't send their TVL letters to their MPs and complain of harassment anxiety stress etc. let them know as they get their TV licences free.
@katiebalmforth1507
@katiebalmforth1507 4 ай бұрын
The day I become a name, not just “occupier “ is the day that I speak to them, just to really piss them off, and tell them I don’t need a licence !!!
@jackwaycombe
@jackwaycombe 4 ай бұрын
My son is in exactly that position, and has had 2 calls by Crapitas goons to date. When told he neither wants nor possesses a TV, those sad characters responded with sarcastic snorts. "Yeah, right mate! Hnrrr. Hnrr! Mind if we come in and check?" As it happened he did mind, and slammed the door. I think half the problem with Crapitas may be that no-one with an ounce of self-respect would work for them.
@katiebalmforth1507
@katiebalmforth1507 4 ай бұрын
@@jackwaycombe they can keep from my door then, I was not born with a filter, if it hits the head, the mouth follows within seconds, that goes with thoughts and swear words !! X
@jneill
@jneill 4 ай бұрын
I love law! And I thought of the Post Office scandal also.
@ElToro2000UK
@ElToro2000UK 4 ай бұрын
Unwarranted demand with menaces, with the view to gain money from a householder or business comes to mind.
@nigelduckworth4419
@nigelduckworth4419 4 ай бұрын
I have said this before but my two letters were headed "You could be fined £1000" in bold black letters- even though I had no TV.
@wolfontheloose2772
@wolfontheloose2772 4 ай бұрын
ok i do not have a gun license when are they sending people to enforce this.......i do not have a driving license still waiting to for the enforcement notice......i also have no dog license ( yes i know ) but not 1 time in freekin history did anyone visit the millions of households without 1 get a warning....and quoting Monty python i do have a cat license it was signed by the ministry of housinge,,,,,,,,,,,, it wa spelt like that on the van im very observant .....their cat detector vans can spot a purr at 50 meters and my cat was such a happy cat it was a piece of cake.....im sure i dont have many licenses for fishing campimg and a crap load of junk they want money for that they just chose to tax with a license .....im waiting for license to smoke or vap or whatever other way that plan on taxing it....license to have my friends sleep at my house etc.... who remembers window tax...bedroom tax....jesus,,, view tax....i lived on the coast but had no view because of trees outside my windows...needed photos...i know im no legal guy but at what point can the public say f***** o** with your made up taxes to grab our hard earned money......or are we allowed to rise up against a government that is simply robbing us........and no im not some far right or far left nutter i am simply a working man that every time i gain a little ground with my money they seem to find and magically invoke some new tax to remove the bit of cash i still have left over
@TheFurrry
@TheFurrry 4 ай бұрын
its just scare tactics preying on people being frightened enough just to pay up. I've had at least 15 visits scheduled. Not once have they visited on the day they said they were coming. I.m disappointed actually because i really really want to tell them what i think of them when they show up at my door lol. Yes i know i shouldnt even open the door to them, but they are just so nasty and i want to give them a piece of my mind. I dont watch or record live TV, i dont watch live tv on iPlayer, i don't need a licence and i am not required to inform them of my licence status or tv viewing preferences. I keep every threat letter they send me and i hope one day i can use it in a big class action against them for all the harassment over the last 12 years, from the moment i moved into my own home. Its an endless pattern of letters starting off polite then ending with the "you give us no alternative but to take further action" then they start all over again, one per month for the last 12 years.
@muldoon67
@muldoon67 4 ай бұрын
This is going to be the next Post Office type scandal
@REwing
@REwing 4 ай бұрын
The word enforcing goes well with the word, totalitarianism!!! A sly take over for gradual acceptance of our new fate!!
@welshtiger86
@welshtiger86 4 ай бұрын
For 8 years, I have recieved 150 letters from tv licensing, I have rang them 12 times, and had one visit 7 years ago.
@itwork6810
@itwork6810 4 ай бұрын
What do they do when then enter the house ?
@welshtiger86
@welshtiger86 4 ай бұрын
@@itwork6810I invited them in, they saw I had no tv and they left saying that i didn't require a license, the week after I recieved the first letter
@ElizabethWarrenYeahYeah
@ElizabethWarrenYeahYeah 4 ай бұрын
They first have to access my door. My garden is locked and I don't answer my front door which has access from the street, unless I know who's at the door. I return all their letters as they are addressed to someone else, someone who I don't know.
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE 4 ай бұрын
I'm flabbergasted that the government are able to justify these laws.
@juneadams9156
@juneadams9156 4 ай бұрын
I have not had a TV for over 32 years and do not watch any live TV but have been receiving threatening letters for over ten years. I don’t bother telling them I don’t have a TV any more as why should I? If they want to waste their time asking me continuously whether I will be in on a certain day as an enforcement officer will be calling they can get on with it.
@DavidWilliams-qk8vm
@DavidWilliams-qk8vm 4 ай бұрын
How much would it cost to take such a case to court, with yourself as the barrister representing the case for example? I ask this question with the idea of crowd funding such a case. Thanks for once again giving us an enlightening example of BBC bullying. Just an added thought, a letter from Capita asking if I would be home on a given date as I would be visited, of course I ignored it, shredded it, and added it to my compost heap. My point being, if I was self employed and took a day off to shut the door in the face of the "enforcement officer" (lol) and no one showed up, would they owe me a days wages?
@keithdenton8386
@keithdenton8386 4 ай бұрын
I wish I had kept all the letters I have had. I may be able to dig out 20 or so going back 35 years. I used to get a letter every two or three months. Not once did they ever visit.
@felderup
@felderup 4 ай бұрын
if someone demands a copy of a warrant directly from the magistrate's office that _would_ have issued it, like a warrant a regular police search requires, would the court be required to find it and send a copy? how many people demanding a copy of their tv license warrant would it take to annoy them into doing something?
@Observeandlearn994
@Observeandlearn994 4 ай бұрын
I wish I’d kept all my letter then because I’ve been getting them for over fifteen years. And as they always say to me, ‘We’ll just keep coming back!’
@wildthing6668813
@wildthing6668813 4 ай бұрын
TVL only have135 visiting Goons that if 100,000 homes got a letter saying a visit is scheduled then they, IMHO, couldn't visit all 100,000 properties in say 1 month to check. I would say that any letter that says "visit scheduled" is harassment because they haven't visited the property by the time the homeowner received another TVL letter saying something completely different.
@oorya1780
@oorya1780 4 ай бұрын
I moved out of a house 18 months ago and it's been up for sale since, I have had about 10 letters many saying they are starting an investigation. They can investigate what they like, I'm not getting in touch with them, they can carry on wasting their time and money on posting these daft letters.
@blankschematics3277
@blankschematics3277 4 ай бұрын
Recently noticed a change in the “no licence needed declaration”, they are now requiring that I submit to them my email address and phone number. Well thats not happening, looking forward to ignoring them from now on.
@alwillcox
@alwillcox 4 ай бұрын
Their use of the word "enforcement" is simply to perpetuate the misconception that a TV licence is a legal requirement. They know perfectly well that if everyone was aware that they have a free choice, a hell of a lot more would cancel.
@budrekot
@budrekot 4 ай бұрын
I have about 10 or 11 of these letters since April 2023, even in the red envelopes. I haven't opened half of them, but the latest one from 8th Feb to the Legal Occupier says "This is an official warning that we are carring out an investigation of your adress. We have asked you to contact us several times but you have not responded"... I told them about 5 years ago, that I no longer need a license. Once should be enough.
@alice_mation
@alice_mation 4 ай бұрын
got a 'we missed you' letter from them. guy just knocked and left, was in what looked like a personal car. The letter has info on where, when and who visited, but he didn't fill out his name so according to them I was visited by no one
@pauleff3312
@pauleff3312 4 ай бұрын
If and when they write to you (AND SOMEHOW HAVE YOUR NAME) - then it's time to send them subject access requests and complain about them to the Information Commissioner's Office. If they have an ongoing investigation, they must have this in their records and they must divulge it or refer to it (even if redacted) from their records.... If they don't furnish these details from their files, they commit an offence contrary to the requirements of the Data Protection Act 2018
@gazmack6196
@gazmack6196 4 ай бұрын
Letters demanding you purchase a TV license are very useful. I used to use toilet roll to clean out my cat litter tray. Thankfully I’ve been given an alternative. Thanks 🙏
@djmattblack
@djmattblack 4 ай бұрын
Say nothing, sign nothing and do not let them into your home. Thats the only way they can get any so called "evidence" against you
@duncan1945
@duncan1945 4 ай бұрын
THEY COULDN'T FORCE THEIR WAY OUT OF A PAPER BAG.
@MrRealstreet
@MrRealstreet 4 ай бұрын
Top tip: there's enough blank space on their letters and envelopes that, with a pair of scissors and some tape, you can get at least two handwritten postage labels out of each of them. Saves using valuable sheets of paper. 👍
@followerofchrist198
@followerofchrist198 4 ай бұрын
Tv licensing needs to be held to account. They have psychologically harmed so many people
@pbsm4127
@pbsm4127 4 ай бұрын
Keep the letter.. Write on it.. "Return to sender"... Put it in a post box.. 😊😊😊
@aldershotcoinclub
@aldershotcoinclub 4 ай бұрын
Every 3 months i get that letter, doesn't have my name on, threatens the same as what you described, 4 years mine has been going ... 😂its a joke think of the cost and environmental impact of those letters aswell!
@georginabryan4772
@georginabryan4772 4 ай бұрын
So pleased I’ve found your channel, you explain everything so well. I’m having problems with TVL Thanks bbb for all of your help 👏👍
@keithdavies1395
@keithdavies1395 4 ай бұрын
I received these letters for years,I deleted the address and reposted it,they paid postage twice, never had a visit.
@christopherforster6555
@christopherforster6555 4 ай бұрын
I've been getting these letters for years I put them straight in the bin I won't have the BBC in my house.
@noelward8047
@noelward8047 4 ай бұрын
Finally. A more weight is being added to what the likes of chillijoncarrie has been saying for some time.
@DMC888
@DMC888 4 ай бұрын
Hundreds of incidents of harassment? 🤔🤔This sounds very much like what Alex Bellfield did to the BBC and he was jailed for it.
@barriereid9244
@barriereid9244 4 ай бұрын
I have not had a TV since 2003...still getting threats of uniformed thugs arriving and taking action.
@rfshortwaves9706
@rfshortwaves9706 4 ай бұрын
It's not just these Goons. Private Car Park Firms - Goons Debt Collectors - Goons So much wrong with this Country.
@jaimecosta2966
@jaimecosta2966 4 ай бұрын
Just ouver 67 million people in Uk if 25% are ecpected to pay tv lincense.. easy money for the BBC saying that rediculess inposinsig tv lincense in 2024 .. one day BBC will ask tv lincense for using live phone calls on whatsup .. cant understand how UK allowes a charge of about 170 pounds for tv lincense.. why dont they get people to subscribe.. crazy BBC i thought uk was democratic and people hade a ..choice saying that excelente vídeo and excelente advise wish you well..
@Rbourk252
@Rbourk252 4 ай бұрын
There is no legal requirement to tell TVL anything. There in lies the flaw in their business model. You can see say, if a driver is speeding. No one can see someone watching something, anything. Let alone determine that it is watched or recoded as it is being broadcasted.
@zigziar
@zigziar 4 ай бұрын
Rishi Sunak when Chancellor basically admitted to Nadine Dory (Media Secretary at the time) that the government would not do anything against the license fee (Rishi kept putting off Nadine's review time and time again) because it is a tax matter... and so there you have it... it's a media tax.
@riakendall8610
@riakendall8610 4 ай бұрын
I was harrassed for years as during the summer I cancelled my licence, my kids played outside, I was rarely bothered, so we didn't need it and I didn't have money to waste. I stopped paying at all years ago as according to them I owed them a fortune anyway... Eventually I moved, problem gone. Lol
@lastschicker
@lastschicker 4 ай бұрын
What in law is a Legal Occupier? Has it been tested in the courts? Should letters to Legal Occupier be returned as Not Known at this address?
@brianbarber4070
@brianbarber4070 4 ай бұрын
I wonder when they will start to harass me. I am 75 and on pension credit that my wife claims for both of us. She is 73.
@basfordboy7626
@basfordboy7626 4 ай бұрын
The reason that there is so much hatred of TV licences is that the money is used to fund BBC even if one never watches it or listens to their radio stations. However, if I only ever watch ITV or Sky I still have to pay?? Its like only ever shopping at Tesco bit having to pay Sainsburys. Its ridiculous
@anti-stupid-not--vax9629
@anti-stupid-not--vax9629 4 ай бұрын
T.V licence is a contract opportunity 🤑🤑
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE
@BinnyBongBaron_AoE 4 ай бұрын
I refuse to contact them to let them know I don't need a license, they can waste the damned resources every month to contact me. No sweat off my brow, what can they do?
@kai7692
@kai7692 4 ай бұрын
i have lost track of letter that arrived saying an investigation has been opened, i guess they concluded the previous investigations 😂😂
@roymillsjnr5172
@roymillsjnr5172 4 ай бұрын
Yes ,if you continually getting letters ,and you don't watch TV , it as to be harassment surely .✌️
@stevedawg9588
@stevedawg9588 4 ай бұрын
They aint "enforcement"..they are salesmen.
@lindastone6868
@lindastone6868 4 ай бұрын
As if the establishment is going to allow Joe Public to win such a case, let alone allow such a case to happen!
@adenwellsmith6908
@adenwellsmith6908 4 ай бұрын
Deliberate choice of words
@ClaireWill71uk
@ClaireWill71uk 2 ай бұрын
I was in vicinity of someone playing BBC Radio 2, which had an advert with BBC Radio 2 suggesting verbally a tv license is required to listen to Bbc Radio channels???
@Wyrmwould
@Wyrmwould 4 ай бұрын
Wow this is just a mess. It sounds like the TV licensing people are operating right on the edges of the law.
@stu8758
@stu8758 4 ай бұрын
they're above the law they can do what they want becuse they're doing the governments dirty work, the two are intertwined
@justmathew
@justmathew 4 ай бұрын
"Further Action" = Send another letter...
@barneybiggles
@barneybiggles 4 ай бұрын
I wonder if they have records of every single letter and the wording they send to people, and would we be able to have a Freedom Of Information of these letters obviously with names redacted?
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