Tesla Cybertruck REAL WORLD Range

Tesla Cybertruck REAL WORLD Range | 50% Range Loss?

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The Tesla Cybertruck has an impressive max towing capability of 11K lbs., and a Payload of 2,500 lbs., but since Tesla will not be offering a 500+ miles range version after all (at least for now), what is the true practicality of towing with the Cybertruck, carrying a heavy payload, driving on the highway, or driving in the winter?
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@Cleanerwatt 7 ай бұрын

@olugbengashonaiya4152 7 ай бұрын

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@Jethr001 7 ай бұрын

YES, I I understand that “city people“ don’t need a 500 mile range. The big urban states have superchargers every 30 miles or so, and almost any direction. BUT, please consider the rural and mountain states, which is the majority of the landmass of the United States. The areas between Kansas and Nevada, and Montana, to New Mexico, only seem to have superchargers on the interstates….THE PICKUP WAS MADE FOR US!! I’m hoping to go camping and off Roading with my cybertruck. WE will have to buy a gas genny as our range extender…we can get 100KWH for around 100 pounds (easily loaded into the bed) AND Fuel is available everywhere.

@Teddy_M85 7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, the 4680s did not meet the original targets, but I'm sure they will get there in time. I'm sure there will be 3rd party trailers with built-in battery packs, and V4 chargers will go up to 350Kwh...

@mikebalentine 7 ай бұрын

Yeah I’m in the Dakotas, I wouldn’t even be able to make it to a super charger towing. I cancelled my order and will come back to it after the battery technology improves some more in a few years (expecting 5-6)

@thedownwardmachine 7 ай бұрын

Fuel isn't available everywhere. Electricity is available wherever there is civilization, and electricity powers the fuel pumps. Sure someone can bring you a jerrycan of fuel, you can't bring a jerrycan of electricity. But you can also charge at an RV site, you can't fuel up at one. The options are different so you have to think different and not just do everything the way you used to.

@mikebalentine 7 ай бұрын

@@thedownwardmachine I built my trailer around “think different” it has 10 kWh of solar but I don’t want to stop every 100 miles. I want to comfortably do 200 on the worst days even after the battery has degraded some. That is my cutoff. When it reaches that point I’ll definitely grab one.

@randywhelchel4674 7 ай бұрын

Yeah but nobody in the middle of a country even uses a pick up truck oh wait…😮😮😮😮

@robinholmes785 7 ай бұрын

You are the only one that is talking about the disappointing 46-80 Gen 2 power density results! Keep up the good work👍

@Nathan-ty6fd 7 ай бұрын

Hopefully Gen 3 will start using silicon doped Anodes. I hope that will boost range by 20% to 30%

@robinholmes785 7 ай бұрын

@@Nathan-ty6fd As Cleanerwhatt has already pointed out, Tesla is going to have to find a replacement for PTFE in their dry anode electrode as it’s breaking down, before increasing the power density.

@Teddy_M85 7 ай бұрын

Tesla should have under promise and over deliver 😤... But hindsight is 20/20, and they love to hype up their fans and use it to attract talented engineers... We still need to give credit where it's due. They are literally making their own battery supply right here in the US.

@MH-Tesla 7 ай бұрын

Good video and helpful. As a landscaper/lawn care company, we never go over 100 miles in a day. And my crews suck at denting and scratching trucks. Also, the biggest negative of all my trucks is rust. They rust long before the engine/transmission get close to dieing. The cyber truck would be awesome for my contractor needs!

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

Not only that, but you’ve got room for three adults in the backseat, which is what most American truck owners need these days the ability to ferry extra passengers. Never mind the bed or the sloped sides. It’s like a four door sedan so low to the ground! So luxurious. Love it!

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

yep SO many people crying and pretending that an ev truck cannot be a "work truck" and is just a rich doctor/lawyer toy.... because you cant drive 500miles straight towing 1500lbs at 80mph without stopping. Reality is unless your talking about a tow truck, a WORK truck is for WORKING (landscaping/construction...) so if you're spending 500miles/8h on a day driving instead of doing actual work that you are paid for, you are doing it wrong. Having on board power for tools with no no need for a generator, standard SECURE tonneau cover hiding your tools etc, and starting every work day with full charge ( or even 80-90%) are way more valuable than having super long range. also if your driving a work truck in suburban/residential area, with load in in the bed, your efficiency is pretty terrible, probably in the 10-15 mpg range, where as an electric truck you likely getting close to the EPA range rangeorr even more, because you're driving at lower than highway speeds

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

@@tech5298 in high suspension setting it has more 30/40% more ground clearance than a Raptor/TRX. still more ground clearance than a modified gas truck with 37" tires

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

@@geemy9675 Totally not aware of that. That means the driver must sit up really high off the ground. Higher than the line of site for those other trucks. Hmmm, what I didn’t know…I guess it just “looks” like the driver sits low. I guess I’ll know right away when I go to pick mine up.

@MH-Tesla 7 ай бұрын

I drive my Tesla 3 STD range i bought in 2023. Driving Uber ALL day and I've gotten the full stated range several times if temps were near 60 deg. Sometimes I get MORE miles than the 272 listed. It helps that I drive all day so there's no kWh used up for sentry mode or preconditioning and other things that it does when you first get in the car. I don't drive intentionally to get better range, but I do have to be comfortable to riders, so no heavy acceleration or stops.

@Cleanerwatt 7 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@Teddy_M85 7 ай бұрын

Agreed, 60 degrees seams to be the sweet spot for optimal range.

@BrianNedry 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely i agree about the 60 degrees being in the best range to get max range. It's not too cold were it effects the battery and it's not too hot so AC doesn't need to be used, the fan alone at that temp is sufficient to keep the cabin temp comfortable. I believe lithium batteries perform better at higher temperatures around 68 -86 degrees but then the cabin becomes way too hot and will probably need to turn on the AC which negates the gain from having optimal battery temperature and efficiency. The glass roof theme by EV manufacturers is causing the cabins to get way too hot in those types of temperatures, if they're going to do glass roofs they need to have built in full sun shades to block out the sun, it would help keep the cabin cooler.

@jvaillancourt 7 ай бұрын

These are important factors to consider. I live in Montreal where it gets very cold and based on my experience with a Model 3, 300 miles EPA is good enough for me (no towing). BtW, a few nice advantages of an EV and a Tesla during the winter: no worry that the engine won't start, easy remote pre-heating and defrost, better traction, less wear on mechanical conponents due to extreme cold, can wait in car without idling an engine or freezing.

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

yes some people are so much focused on the areas where EV are not 100% as practical as gas cars, that they miss all the areas where they are actually more/much more capable/practical. I wont get into details but the list of advantages is pretty long

@brandon3691 7 ай бұрын

M3P here living in Canada. I agree with all of this the only thing I legit hate is the regenerative braking in the winter. Even if I put the setting off its still just to aggressive. I find when it's really icy out it brakes to hard and the rear end kicks out a bit. Although it just makes me drive way slower which I should anyways lol.

@TheR8drfan 7 ай бұрын

I'll be interested to see some real towing results. I generally tow at 55 or 65mph as posted. Doing so with a gas V8, I get 9 mpg and a real range of 200 miles. (I do remember one of the publications towing at 70 mph which contributed to lower range.). The cost to tow should be at least 50% lower than gas.

@epsteinsnoose 7 ай бұрын

I’d be interested to see if they make some drive thru chargers for people towing trailers

@monkeysezbegood 7 ай бұрын

Cost to tow for an EV will be cheaper by miles

@OtisFlint 7 ай бұрын

@@epsteinsnooseThey are starting to install some drive through ones, very limited though.

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

depends a lot where you are charging. if 100% or even 50% of your towing is done with home charging, then your cost is going to be several times lower than towing with gas. if you are towing only on long trips using dc fast charging, then towing cost is probably comparable Also if you are towing heavy loads with a gas or eeven diesel truck, you are putting a lot of load on the engine,/transmission, generating a lot of heat in the transmission. If you are also driving up hill, then you are reallly maxxing out your engine. You may have to drop a gear to increase RPM/cooling, and reduce load. If you are doing it regularly, probably need to upgrade transmission cooling. Electric trucks will deal with heavy loads like its nothing, and even going downhill will be easy on your brakes. for kWh cost per mile it all depends where you live but a "gallon electric" as in mpge is 33.7kWh and average kWh price 0.23, average gas price 3.3, so gallon electric about $7.7 average is 2.4x more expensive than 3.1 gallon of gas, so if you want to compare mpge with mpg dived by 2.4. the ratio changes with electricity vs gas price Here in MD kWh is .14 and gas 3.2, so 0.14*33.7/3.2 = ~1.5 so here a 97mpge cybertruck would cost around the same per mile as 66mpg truck. long term maintenance is kinda comparable if you compare battery cost after 300k VS ICE drivetrain + brakes maintenance, and warranties :cybertruck 8years/150k miles warranty on battery vs Ford F150 5years /60k on powertrain warranty ALthoug if you launch your cybertruck 0-60 in 2.6s at every traffic ligh your tires are going to wear pretty quickly

@jarrodvsinclair 7 ай бұрын

i am still getting a Cybertruck but unfortunately i won't be replacing my 7.3 Diesel Excursion because of the range. I get 740-780 normally and when towing it drops to ~350. so if towing in a CT even with a 440 range that means likely only 200 miles of range. That means no boondocking and you need a destination charger. a real bummer. I might also try bringing my generator so that i can add enough miles to get back to a charger and run stuff in camp. If it was 500+ miles that would mean 250 miles which give you some buffer

@monkeysezbegood 7 ай бұрын

Keep the other truck for the odd occation you need it? Na i recon judt need more charges out there. Cybertruck is gonna be so great

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

Agreed. So much disappointment with how this truck finally ended up. Let’s not forget that you’re not gonna be able to see over cars in front of you when you’re driving to CT.

@jarrodvsinclair 7 ай бұрын

@@tech5298 that's not what everyone that has driven it has said. In fact most say it has better visibility then the f150

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

@@jarrodvsinclair true? Ok I concede then. My perspective has always been that it seems the drivers it’s kind of low to the ground. But truthfully, I cannot recall during the reveal if the guy stood up or stepped down when he exited the cyber truck.

@hornetutube 7 ай бұрын

Using the range extender as 50kwh home storage (even by vehicle to grid) would be a great bang for the buck, as even much smaller home storage systems around 10-15kwh sit around 10k ... much too expensive compared to car batteries.

@eclecticcyclist 7 ай бұрын

As Bjorn Nyland has recently shown, once you start driving the battery will heat up and a lot of your rage will recover from that when you first switch on a cold car.

@1badgertroy 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update you can explain it great

@MXP90DL 7 ай бұрын

The advantage of range exstender would be not having to charge to 90% or more often. So to help save your battery from degrading then charge to 65% (a little more or less) and stay in the battery sweet spot. Seems a 65% charge would be 290 to 310 miles.

@c0t1 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the honest information. Battery tech is rapidly evolving and improving, but thanks for the candid explanation of the shortcomings and real-world expectations.

@eternalbalance7703 7 ай бұрын

It would be cool if you could daisy chain several range extenders on a utility, or camper trailer.

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

Or smaller stackable like 65 70lb...something easier to move in and out...then when not using you use it as home backup etc.

@matthewbailey1040 7 ай бұрын

Yes, that would be awesome. They need to make the extended range battery plug and play so owners can remove them as needed. All you would need is a forklift/engine lift.

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

@@matthewbailey1040 Yes! I’ve got an electric battery powered forklift at home. I could use that to take all the extra batteries off the trailer and out of the truck whenever I wanted! That’s a great idea.

@jonathanshakespeare8796 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the information.

@jeffwilliams6374 7 ай бұрын

Excellent work! 👍🏾

@danschraufnagel5758 7 ай бұрын

Thank you. For my needs, the range extender is a must!

@janmessek1826 7 ай бұрын

One major thing to remember is charging the battery will cost a lot less than a fill-up of a dual tanked diesel truck and one other factor with an EV is when towing there is a tendency to put your foot into the throttle more than usual because you do not hear the roar of a ice engine when it's loaded down so the tendency is to burn them electrons faster but at least you have that option and no transmission to worry about overheating or sluggish takeoffs from a dead stop plus Regen braking really pays back with energy savings.

@DonkeyKong57783 7 ай бұрын

It gets about 2.3 miles per Kilowatt. Depending on where you charge, it will get about $.13 per miles. Not a economical choice

@janmessek1826 7 ай бұрын

@@DonkeyKong57783 diesel is $4.30 a gallon at 10mpg it's 0.43 per mile sounds cheaper to me!

@dvader3263 7 ай бұрын

⁠@@DonkeyKong57783So that's 10 miles for $1.30 20 miles for $2.60 That's still better than any gas or diesel truck. And your first charge at home is usually a lot less. Only 6 cents per kWh where I live under a 'time of use plan' Even at only 2 miles per kWh, that's 3 cents per mile. Most of the time, most people are commuting from home to work and back, not taking long trips and not towing, unless you're retired. Weekend trips and vacation trips cost a bit more, but still cheaper than ICE vehicles 100% of the time, even when towing.

@giladamowski321 7 ай бұрын

I live in Colorado so cold is a concern. Still planning on buying when my number comes up.

@Jethr001 7 ай бұрын

YEP, me too! Figure I’ll do a Genny in the Bed for boondock camping

@michaellatta 7 ай бұрын

So if the battery degrades after 100k miles you can buy the extended to get more range. That is actually a pretty good option.

@nathanbanks2354 7 ай бұрын

My mom would often by a load of bark mulch with their truck every spring. The range extender would make this a little more awkward. Hopefully they'll come up with a version that has half a dozen smaller batteries so a couple guys could remove the extender and put it back in without a forklift.

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

there is 150k warranty on the battery. very hard to say the real life of the battery because 4680 are relatively new ad there is not a lot of degradation data, but you can reasonably expect at least 300k. average tesla degradation is ~10% after 200k miles \. Also some people could be perfectly fine with 80% battery capacity, so its not like the battery is dead after 300k

@geemy9675 7 ай бұрын

@@nathanbanks2354 there are not only weight but also safety concerns associated with working on high voltage batteries. even just plugging unplugging. if you have lower voltage/capacity battery modules, then the risk to manipulate each module are not that great though. (ex Model 3 modules are 22.8V) nut as soon as you start plugging them in series, voltage increases. IMO range extender only makes sense if you do a LOT of long range towing and you can do with the reduced bed capacity, so if you are considering removing it when you dont need it, its probably not for you. that's a 16k option, and if it took you half an hour to plug it i, you're probably better towing without it and spending half an hour charging.....Also, the range extender is actually increasing the weight thus REDUCING your efficiency (Wh/miles), and there is still zero evidence that the whole battery+ extender can charge quicker than the battery alone. meaning you would make less stops, but charge longer at each stop, and once you add the time to add/remove the battery, its just useless. range extender is good if you dont use the bed and just want more range, or if you tow long distance on a regular basis. But it is obviously an afterthought to compensate the lack of battery densitity of the 4680 batteries, and a pretty BAD technical solution. Most likely taking it in/out is a 1-2 hour job for a qualified technician with appropriate tools

@fatboy19831 7 ай бұрын

Awsome information! Very accurate.

@rooah777 7 ай бұрын

One effect you failed to mention directly is that of wind resistance. A tall trailer is considerably less efficient than one which matches the frontal wind blockage of the towing vehicle. It is a huge factor, especially when coupled with speed.

@replica1052 7 ай бұрын

(caravan owners often have aero surfaces on their cars when towing )

@robinholmes785 7 ай бұрын

I am concerned that the range extender box will be considered, because it is, a band-aid fix for the sad performance of the 46-80 battery program! The only way the battery box can be made to work, for real use cases, is if it can be easily removed to allow full truck bed space use when required. The real fix is 46-80 batteries that live up to the power/volumetric density hype promised at Battery Day!

@Malcolm61 7 ай бұрын

Whenever I want range it's for long distance. So 70mph UK, 83mph France and 75mph Spain is cruising at limit for those countries. So 80% efficiency at that speed. Winter is 60%. Max range should be at speed limit for road. So my Model 3 Performance is 160 to 180 miles at Speed limit, keeping buffer of 10% at top and bottom.

@timmontano8792 7 ай бұрын

Although I didn't know the exact numbers, I expected as much. I ride Electric-Bikes (apples to oranges I know) and each one has its' marketing hype range estimates and its' real-world range. You're the only guy who's posted any information about real-world range estimates expected from the Cybertruck. Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with my gas burners for now.

@rogerfroud300 7 ай бұрын

What I really want to see on all Teslas is a Load Cell in the towbar and software to estimate the range in realtime. This ought to be really easy to implement, and would we incredibly useful in planning real world trips. I think Elon would love this idea, but I have no idea how to get it to him.

@incomingincoming1133 7 ай бұрын

(The vehicle) knows how much it accelerated, and how much power it took to achieve that accel. If it can know the gradient of the ground it is on, it has all the information needs to work out the total load on the motors. Total load on the motors is even more accurate than weight, because wt does not factor in things like friction at the trailer wheels. Summarily, Tsla 'should' (already) factor (the weight of whatevr u r carrying) total load into range estimates.

@Cybertruck_69 7 ай бұрын

Great video John. Hey can you do a video on how to use a generator to power an EV. Are there issues? CT specifically. Thanks. 👍🏻

@rayheppner8391 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the detailed info you put together here. One of the flaws is the towing range for EV's is much more accurate if based on mi/kwh as opposed to stated EPA. The Edmunds tow test had very aerodynamic loads vs a cargo or rv trailer which would more negatively affect the EV range compared to the ICE options. The Rivian & Lightnig chart showed an EPA of 2.08 mi/kwh if the CT is the same it would only have a range of 256 miles not 340 something is awry.

@gaetanguimond1911 7 ай бұрын

I ordered the 3 mtor 500 miles range CT for these exact reasons.

@mikapeltokorpi7671 7 ай бұрын

Note, that Tesla does not yet have an official EPA range. And they have been notoriously optimistic about range. You have to subtract 10% or more from their numbers.

@rogerstarkey5390 7 ай бұрын

"Notoriously optimistic" depends who you talk to.

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, depends on if the person will lie to boost Tesla or not.

@AlexGarcia-vf3so 7 ай бұрын

Range anxiety, 500 mi range, going nowhere fast. Just a status toy for now.

@frederickmartin6998 7 ай бұрын

I have a reservation but if the range hasn't improved when my turn comes I'll pass. And paying $16k for a range extender which will take up 1/3 of the available space in the bed is unacceptable to me.

@noleftturns 7 ай бұрын

Here in St. Louis, last Feb (2023), about half the month had a low at or below 20F I remember leaving our garage, which normally was about 50F those days with a SOC at 270 miles (84% max charge, 20% min) and after a few miles at 15F, the range dropped to 165 miles and by the time I got back to the garage that night, I was below 100 miles after driving less than 50 miles When I asked AI (Bard) how many states have a February average temp below 32F: Based on average February low temperatures, here are the US states where the average February low temperature falls below 32°F: Northeast: Maine Vermont New Hampshire Massachusetts Rhode Island Connecticut New York Pennsylvania New Jersey Midwest: North Dakota Minnesota Wisconsin Michigan Iowa Illinois Indiana Ohio Mountain West: Montana Wyoming Idaho Utah Nevada Colorado Pacific Northwest: Washington Oregon Alaska: The entire state has an average February low temperature below 32°F. That's 23 states out of 50 where cold weather is a reason not to buy an EV - ICE cars don't care. Half the states of America are a poor fit for an EV.

@Teddy_M85 7 ай бұрын

I'm in NY and drive 50 miles a day to work. In peak winter, my MYP consumes an additional 4%. IMO, it's not really a problem for most ppl. If you tow, drive long distances, and don't have a place to L2 charge, then yes, EVs are not for you at this point in time. Maybe the Next Gen models.

@noleftturns 7 ай бұрын

@@Teddy_M85 @Teddy_M85 Temperature is a HUGE decision maker for anyone buying an EV. The other HUGE decision maker is the ability to charge with a Level-2 charger at night. When I asked AI this question: (Bard) what percentage of US families do not have a garage to charge their EV at night? AI: Estimates: 40%: According to an article citing a North American Garage Living poll, roughly 40% of US households lack convenient access to overnight EV charging at home. 50%: The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimated in 2022 that about half of US households lack dedicated parking spaces, which potentially limits their ability to charge EVs at home. 30-40%: A 2021 study by Stanford University researchers estimated that between 30% and 40% of US households would lack convenient access to home charging by 2030, assuming current trends continue. That's about half the households in the USA. EVs are going to be nothing but a small percentage of the US fleet in 25 years the temperature and charging issues kill the EV argument. Maybe in other countries, EVs make sense, but not in the USA, and that is the reason EVs are hard to sell here.

@MarkLauzonTheStoneGuy 7 ай бұрын

I live in Oregon… it’s not Antarctica bro

@GoCoyote 7 ай бұрын

I would say that just because you live in an area with cold winter weather does not mean that an EV will be a bad fit. Like any equipment, your use needs to fit the limitations of the equipment. If your milage needs are safely within the lower range of your EV, an EV may be a good choice depending on all of the other factors involved. Norwegians seem to be doing just fine with EVs during the winter, and I have never heard of Norway being called anything other than cold and snowy during the winter.

@noleftturns 7 ай бұрын

@@MarkLauzonTheStoneGuy Bard is probably looking for any area of a state that averages 32F or lower during February.

@royphillips7644 7 ай бұрын

My wife only wants to camp in a hotel. So not really a problem for me. I also get free charging at the hotel.

@garretreed9709 7 ай бұрын

With cold weather dropping the efficiency by 40% does it cause long term damage to where with the 10% loss after 100k miles or is per situation with little degradation overall? This just gave even more questions.

@GHG-Zilog 6 ай бұрын

Even though reduction in range for towing is similar between EV and diesel, there is a big difference difference in the impact to the work cycle due to refueling time. A diesel pump delivers 10 gallons per minute. One can refill a tank in under 3 minutes. A Cybertruck take 45 miniutes to charge from 2% to 80%. Drive 300 mi and the cybertruck will need 2 recharges. At 60 mph, that's 5 hours of driving and 1.5 hours of refuelling so 6.5 hours. Whereas a diesel truck would be about 5.1 hours to complete the same route.

@douglasdangelo6755 7 ай бұрын

Battery degradation is much more prevalent in smaller battery packs that get cycled frequently. Teslas needing battery replacement disproportionately have smaller packs, less range, and therefore experience a lot more cycles. Good luck to you people who buy this thing

@harrychu650 7 ай бұрын

Table at 6:00 doesn't apply to the Tesla Model 3 RWD since it uses the LFP Pack which is recommended to be charged to 100%.

@michaelsmithers4900 7 ай бұрын

ICE cars range goes down too as parts wear etc… Also temperature extremes, elevation, conditions.. Not to mention driving habits for both…

@windsolarupnorth7084 7 ай бұрын

At $100K for the cheapest version (with range extender) it seems you have alot of way better options to choose from. This truck won't sell.

@OtisFlint 7 ай бұрын

It will. Almost no half-ton buyers even tow.

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

@@OtisFlintIt will sell to a few hardcore Tesla stans. But that is a shrinking group.

@GerryClarke 7 ай бұрын

Thank you, John, and all the other comments below because I am a Tesla fan (despite Elon’s, execrated exaggerated X comments). 1. Question - 4680 batteries are currently 252 wh/kg, to get to 500 miles, I believe the number should be 331 wh/kg? Can anyone else check my numbers? 2 Question - Tires, will they hold up as needed are will they be changed every 5K miles as some owners are reporting with the S-Plaid (inner tire camber degradations)? Cybertruck innovations bring automotive engineering to where the spec’s should have been 20 years ago. However with no 500 mile range this is just a spec’ed out car.

@manvirsingh6039 7 ай бұрын

Live in the Rockies of BC... Combine available range with initial degradation low temperatures and hwy 80mph.. I lose 50% of available range during trips through the mountains. The biggest problem is high speed gearing. Becomes less efficient at high speeds. Significantly. And always need to arrive with 20% range because trip computer ends up at 10% near Nexr supercharger. 😢😢😢😢😢

@antonzadorozhniy6605 6 ай бұрын

So driving on highway in winter is an extreme case? So is it a city vehicle, or summer vehicle?

@MsAjax409 7 ай бұрын

The range reduction due to towing an RV trailer is overcome nicely with the Cyberlandr camper that stows inside the tonneau-covered vault of the Cybertruck. Aerodynamic drag is not affected, and range loss due to the weight of Cyberlandr (~1500 lbs) should be only about 5%. The installation of Cyberlandr precludes using the Range Extender, however.

@gdo3510 6 ай бұрын

Neither actually exist yet. Lol

@MsAjax409 6 ай бұрын

@@gdo3510 True. But it's too early to count them out.

@johnpoldo8817 7 ай бұрын

When range is needed, charge to 100%, not 80%. There is no battery damage if the EV doesn’t stay at 100% for a long time. Best practice is to set a departure time when charging to 100%. I start every road-trip at 100% charging at home.

@martinbeverley9536 7 ай бұрын

Tesla batteries condition themselves to run at their optimum temperature. This prevents cold weather losses (but does use battery power for the conditioning process).

@epsteinsnoose 7 ай бұрын

Thankyou for doing a video on the reality of real world range of a battery not fully charged or discharged. I like teslas products but they seem to avoid a more in depth explanation of the range you can expect of a battery that is not fully charged or is aged.

@TomCrouchman. 7 ай бұрын

What about pull through charging for towing a travel trailer? If the new version 4 chargers are pull through, will non towing Tesla's hog the pull through faster chargers? The low range and charger network not currently having pull through chargers on the highway close charger stations is not gong to allow for easy or convenient towing with a Cybertruck. A large portion of Truck owners have trailers, camping and or other trailers that they use.

@rogerstarkey5390 7 ай бұрын

LOTS of speculation and assumption there What percentage of Tesla vehicles will be Cybertrucks? (Very few, certainly for years) Will Tesla install true V4 chargers at the same rate of faster than the sell trucks? Judging by the rate of rollout, once they start the installation of true V4 chargers (or OTA update the existing units?) There will be plenty. . What are the odds of a towing truck meeting a Tesla that's able to accept 350kW at a pull through location where all V4 chargers have 350 kW able cars on them, all at the start of their charge, forcing the car onto the pull through? What are the odds of that car being at the start of the cycle? Low What are the adds of that driver, If asked politely, not being willing to switch to another V4 as one became free? (After a short time) If that driver refused, what would their charge time be? Not long . As for the "large portion having trailers, etc" Another channel (Brian White?) Checked the data and it revealed something like 80% NEVER tow. . If you implication suggests "it won't work", just think of the odds.

@TomCrouchman. 7 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 Listen, Im a tesla stock owner and have a model 3. I want the cybertruck to be perfect but it is not. Truck people tow shit a few times a year at least. Brians data was that most only tow sometimes. That is true because you only camp in the summer and need to tow in the summer on vacation. Site workers that tow a tool tailer to the job site are numerous. That is who Tesla is trying to attract with the bed plugs and durability etc. They are saying it can do work truck things well and I would agree except for towing any distance and hoping to have power for your site when you arrive.

@replica1052 7 ай бұрын

(caravan owners often have aero surfaces on their cars when towing )

@MH-Tesla 7 ай бұрын

Driving in cold (20deg ferinhieht) i get 80% or better of my range. It almost never gets to 10deg (-12 Celsius), so don't know how it does a little colder.

@randalreigel4089 7 ай бұрын

The problem for me in the future is that the extended range battery in the back of the truck stops me from using a Cyberlandr.. That is my whole goal for the future purchase of a Cybertruck. Live on my houseboat in the Marina. Rent out my Marina space or my houseboat, and when I leave, go sleep in my Cybertruck and Cyberlander. And make money while I'm not there.

@philg8556 7 ай бұрын

The range extending block taking up a solid 1/3 of the bed is the dumbest thing I've seen. Had they mad it flat and take up the area of the bed similar to a sheet of plywood I'd be on board. Sure my loads would ride a few inches higher, but at least I'd have the full area of the bed to work with. It's a non-starter as a massive block though. That doesn't even bring up the cost. Easier to get a gasoline generator loaded into the back to charge off grid when needed, lmao. Also... No place for a spare tire? Seems making the truck 5% smaller ate up the extra room for a tire and batteries. Guess I'll see what the RAM revolution brings to the table.

@fredland1002 7 ай бұрын

I haven't heard anything about a solar charger yet. Because I want to tow and camp in remote areas, range is the most important single factor to me.

@davidpearn5925 7 ай бұрын

If you want to be noticed you need to stay close to the city.

@scottbreseke716 7 ай бұрын

Cows and chickens may not notice you there. 🐮🐔

@davidpearn5925 7 ай бұрын

@@scottbreseke716 you’ve noticed I guess

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

Is there any word on when the 4680 will go to LFP, rhis should have less degradation over time, have better cold driving and charge to 100% more.

@matthewbailey1040 7 ай бұрын

Lfp would be awesome. Imagine if you could select which battery to use so you can put most of the demand on the range extender battery.

@rogerstarkey5390 7 ай бұрын

PLEASE get over the "swap to LFP" idea. *Unless* this "modified LFP" rumour from CATL is real, LiFePo4 has an inherently lower energy density than Nickel based cells (which are improving). . They are also heavier ("Iron"?) Result, a 20% (EST) lower density means 20% more *volume* in the pack, which means more space required in the vehicle AND 20% more cell weight of an already heavy pack.... Which means the vehicle is less efficient, which means the range is lower, which means you need more energy which means a bigger pack....etc. Get the idea? . Also The SMALLER the vehicle, the greater the problem. Less space. A heavy pack is a greater percentage of total weight in a light vehicle, but you can't fit more energy into the space.... . There's also the "100% charge" rumour. . What kills a pack is "SOAKING" it at 100% For the relatively few times you NEED full range, just aim for the charge to hit 100% when you're planning to leave..... Then "leave"! . You won't kill the pack. . Did you know that Jeff Dahn was speaking publicly this year about Nickel based cell on which they turned down the voltage? They are STILL more energy dense than "LFP" but actually *improve* performance over time. They become "hardened", *more* stable.... To the extent they were dubbed "the hundred year cell".

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 if your already constrained by 10 90 charging or 20 80 then LFP doesn't have far to go. Plus lower cost, plus linger life. There is a reason most power walls are moving to LFP. Maybe you should get over your Anti LFP stance? Nickle the 100 year...lol...seems like that has not been the case so far so why should it change?

@windsolarupnorth7084 7 ай бұрын

LFP has got low energy density. You would loose alot of range. It's not happening.

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

@@windsolarupnorth7084 CATL and BYD can do it why can't Tesla do it.

@health101DOTorg 7 ай бұрын

Battery degradation depends heavily on the depth of the discharge/charge cycles. If a person drives using about 10% of the battery capacity per day, and charges/discharges between 75% and 65%, degradation is *greatly* minimized. If 20% is needed, charging/discharging between 75% and 55% is also good. This is for NMC batteries.

@BarryObaminable 7 ай бұрын

1.21 Kilwatts.! 1.21 Killawatts. Einstein, where are we going to get that kind of power

@ANDYANDREWPro 7 ай бұрын

RANGE extension is absolutely sheer genius. A Third party then will come up with an adapter to slide in and out replaceable batteries much like an electric drill gun. This design also allows for the possibility of installation of far more advanced batteries in the future An adapter in the rear bed also allows for a small generator to be placed in the bed while towing. This feature will just about future proof the cyber truck.

@gdo3510 6 ай бұрын

Except you then completely lose the one of the biggest benefits of a truck, which is the ability to use the truck bed. Then factor is the cost of this extender, the added weight, and the fact that a gas container in your truck bed does the same things but better in every way, doesn’t make any sense either financially or functionally, unless you don’t care about anything other than driving around town.

@ANDYANDREWPro 6 ай бұрын

With today’s technology, that is very well, true with today’s technology. Tomorrow will be a different story

@AlexGarcia-vf3so 7 ай бұрын

I should get my Cyberbeast (with FSD) in 2025. Question, if I drive it home and immediately put it up for sale, would someone who can’t wait buy it off me for a 10k mark up.

@fcarter935 7 ай бұрын

BUT, The Cyber truck is based on 4860 battery chemistry, which should be better than historical other Tesla's older battery chemistry?

@fcarter935 7 ай бұрын

The degrading should be less due in part and in comparison to 2170 v 4680 and in the number of charging cycles. I think you may need more variables in your analysis. My opinion.

@heyitstim3618 7 ай бұрын

Great video! But you failed to show anything of a final calculation with all of these very real impacts. 340 mile EPA * utlizing 70% of the pack * 5% degradation * 20% thermal loss * 50% towing loss = 90 miles of range when towing. This is simply unacceptable. My original plan was to sell out Motorhome and replace with a travel trailer to be pulled by the Tri-motor CT, but that's just not a possibility now. Lame.

@DudeAutonomy 7 ай бұрын

Shoehorn a 3 cylinder range extender in the frunk area...

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

11k lb towing isn't impressive. The Rivian, which bills itself as an adventure toy, tows the same. Silvarado EV max tow package will be rated at 20k lb. A cheap gas Silvarado 1500 can be spec'd to tow 13k. A Silvarado HD or F350 will tow around 35k.

@AlexGarcia-vf3so 7 ай бұрын

Range anxiety. Cyberbeast is just a status symbol. I got on the que 3 years ago because of the 500 mile range. Going nowhere fast now.

@egidiomeola 7 ай бұрын

And keep in the battery for a long live. Because you're not always doing a hundred percent charging It's a worth Buy the exit arrange.

@bobbycake8077 7 ай бұрын

I question the range loss off the gas truck being so low everthing I have read or thought I knew said diesel was way better then gas

@PunditKING 7 ай бұрын

Range test are in !280ish! miles brand new, in non freeing conditions. Was promised 350 miles.

@hank976 7 ай бұрын

I live in Oregon and there are many places in the state where superchargers are over 100 miles apart. Towing anything heavy in the cold you will be lucky to have a 100 mile range. The Cybertruck isn’t going to work for people that use them as a truck! Unfortunately Tesla didn’t do their homework when they designed this vehicle. The media is right by calling the Cybertruck a lifestyle vehicle that is only practical for twenty percent of buyers.

@JoeMoore0617 7 ай бұрын

Please put it all together for me.... I want to know what my real life range would be if I had 50,000 miles on my Cybertruck, and I was towing a 7,500 pound load, on a -12 degree celcius day at 70 Miles per hour........ As bonus challenge please factor in me driving up a 6 degree grade mountain into the face of a category 3 hurricane wind.

@garyhenderson8178 7 ай бұрын

Great information!! The reality is for each driver…. How many miles do you actually drive per day? How many people drive 300 miles daily? How far does that driver actually drive to get to work? What is that driver’s actual, average transit speed? These are simple math equations. Example: 300 miles per day x 5 days = 1,500 miles…who does that? 1,500 miles weekly x 52 weeks = 78,000 miles per year…Who does that? Range anxiety is in reality very poor math skills. Thank you for sharing your awesome information.

@yaobin1 7 ай бұрын

no brainer or TSLA investor.

@nathanbanks2354 7 ай бұрын

Ironically, the aerodynamic efficiency of the truck by itself will likely make it lose more range while towing. This is because the drag from the trailer will make things 2.5x as bad instead of only 2.0x as bad. Unless you have an aerodynamic trailer like a flatbed. Thankfully slowing the truck down by 10-20kph will also improve things a lot.

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

It is less aerodynamic than R1T or Silvarado EV.

@darrenchan4594 7 ай бұрын

we are stuck with lithium battery for a while. no better alternative for some time to come.

@castortoutnu 7 ай бұрын

Considering that the less aerodynamic an EV is and the greater the difference between EPA range and 70mph range, I'd expect more something like a 15-16% difference for the CT, maybe even more than that.

@user-xl5zm3km7f 7 ай бұрын

Well done on halving the orders, u just moved up in the queue :/.. normal buyers will be turned off by the complexity, throw there hands up and stick to what they know. If u are on a real towing multi day raod trip then yes u emphasis on 10 to 85% is relevent. If it is just 1 or 2 legs towing then u would start at 100 if u can then the impact of the daily 80% rule is minimal.

@philippeillinger6287 7 ай бұрын

Dans les tableaux comparatifs d'autonomie avec les thermiques, il serait pertinent d'expliciter l'Energie disponible dans le réservoir au même titre que celle de la batterie d'un Electrique... Les rendements n'étant pas similaire du tout, le comparatif est un peu biaisé.

@hearmeout1966 7 ай бұрын

I prefer the Rivian R1T. I do think both the R1T and cyber truck have a market and the cyber truck with its speed and quickness draws even more attention and interest to the EV car market.

@mikapeltokorpi7671 7 ай бұрын

-40% at -10 °C? I think I will buy the king of range ID.7.

@Cleanerwatt 7 ай бұрын

Comparing the efficiency of the ID7 sedan to a full sized truck like the Cybertruck doesn't make sense. They are two completely different vehicle types.

@windsolarupnorth7084 7 ай бұрын

@@Cleanerwatt With the range extender the Cybertruck is going to have almost as little cargospace as a Sedan. Putting the extender on the flatbed is just a token of bad design, how did they not manage find a better solution? So not really any difference. I'll stick to my turbodiesel Hilux.

@FreedomFinanceFun 7 ай бұрын

Really hoping 48v is more efficient

@Teddy_M85 7 ай бұрын

I think they will find a way to get a few extra % by disconnecting the motors, and the motor design itself might be more efficient than the F150 and Rivian. 🤷‍♂️

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

48v has nothing to do with the drivetrain.

@TennesseeEcoman 7 ай бұрын

So we still don’t have a KZfaq video of range. Kinda sus at best. But it looks cool in a driveway.

@royphillips7644 7 ай бұрын

Almost all decent campsites have 240 V Nema 14-50 hook ups.

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

You going to stop to camp every 150 miles to camp?

@azpharmacy4615 7 ай бұрын

If I know this information I would think twice about buying EV car. Thanks great videos

@michaelsmithers4900 7 ай бұрын

Most ppl don’t need the range extender. Id buy it if I were towing a lot, not just 1-2 trips / year.

@nathanbanks2354 7 ай бұрын

It also depends where you're towing. If you've got a supercharger every 100 miles, it doesn't really matter. You just stop for another meal. If you're going into the bush or across northern Canada, it matters a lot more.

@TroySavary 7 ай бұрын

@@nathanbanks2354Unhooking and rehooking the trailer every 100 miles sounds like a lot of fun

@nathanbanks2354 7 ай бұрын

@@TroySavary Forgot about that. The slow charging on the street in Montreal would be easy to use, even though Tesla puts their charging port on the wrong side of their vehicle for street parking. I guess most superchargers aren't set up to deal with a trailer at most stalls. At least now that the plug is standardized, people can make super-fat uncooled extension cords.

@daveinpublic 7 ай бұрын

Great video - but to play angels advocate… Towing in today’s world will cost you an arm and a leg in diesel/gas. Perfect use case for an ET if you have the time to stop and fill up. We heard a lot about how much range can potentially be lost… should also show the flip side of the coin and say how more is possible to save on a trip towing 7500 lbs at $4.50 a gal… vs a truck that charges all night in your garage + a couple super chargers.😊

@nigelgrimmett851 7 ай бұрын

I would love a cybertruck but not for towing.

@paullo8268 7 ай бұрын

anything can be improved. they're just as-is issues.

@windsolarupnorth7084 7 ай бұрын

Degradation numbers are in laboratory testing. In real world application, degradation will be larger.

@carperdiem8754 7 ай бұрын

Cybertrucks small pack will probably give it a higher % loss than other EV trucks

@VK4GHZ 5 ай бұрын

So you haven't actually towed with a Cybertruck yourself then???

@azpharmacy4615 7 ай бұрын

Model Y highway at 80mile/hr with AC on give you 65% range...other EVs cars might get worse...

@tech5298 7 ай бұрын

You cannot integrate a truck bed into a Porsche 911 and call it a Truck. Look how low the driver sits in relation to the ground. American men that drive real trucks are mostly not going to want something that sits that low to the ground. One of the benefits of driving a truck is the ability to see over the car ahead of you. That’s no longer an advantage with this CT.

@michaelsmithers4900 7 ай бұрын

I think Tesla will increase or unlock range once these batteries are more proven, as they did in the past…

@benrabstar 7 ай бұрын

And how much range does an ICE car lose under the presented circumstances?

@bobbybishop5662 7 ай бұрын

7500 lbs is nothing in the towing world .

@danielroden9424 7 ай бұрын

is 10% at 100k miles what teslas overall experience? ive see 7% at 200k miles... i would imagine the cyber truck will do worse than 12% vs the cars as its drag coefficient is much higher.

@Cleanerwatt 7 ай бұрын

I am going off of data collected by Tessie. Some Tesla vehicles may have less, but the data seems to point to an average around 10% after 100K.

@yaobin1 7 ай бұрын

degraded 15% on 5 years, 80k miles.

@Juan-VargasJV 7 ай бұрын

You know dam well those "Tesla numbers" are garbage. Look what happened with the actual range on other Teslas. I have a Model S, I like my car, but I'm not a fan of the false numbers that were given by Tesla and don't like the degradation. Once I hit 80k miles or so I won't be trading it in for another. Going back to Toyota/Lexus Hybrid

@erichenry5000 7 ай бұрын

Please remember that ICE cars also lose range over time. As an example, my car only gets 90% of its original range after 11 years with only 60k miles on it, it gets much worse if you are harder on an ICE engine. I have abused a previous ICE vehicle, and it was down to 80% after less than 10 years. Also, If you fill your tank till the pump kicks off, you losing 10 to 20% range, and most people refill at a 1/4 tank, so remove 25% for range anxiety in an ICE vehicle (for a full rant, ask my wife). 🤣

@MarkXHolland 7 ай бұрын

And cold weather also reduces ICE range.

@erichenry5000 7 ай бұрын

@@MarkXHolland - I moved south to limit my exposure to cold weather. If you have an electrical cord sticking out of your front grill, I know why, and I don’t want to live there. 🤔

@WildernessExcursions 7 ай бұрын

If you've lost 10% of your fuel economy after only 60k miles, there's something wrong. Air filter and spark plugs are what's most obvious that comes to mind. But a dirty throttle body or bad fuel filter/pump could also cause this.

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

Some gas pumps are in the tank to keep cool and will have premature wear from heat if you go below a quarter tank.

@erichenry5000 7 ай бұрын

@@ryan6391 - My daughter (auto mechanic) has some wonderful stories about all the fun of removing drive shafts and mufflers to drop a gas tank to get at fuel pumps. 😉

@onlyme972 7 ай бұрын

Unless youve got monet to waste buy a real truck, one that you can fix yourself and runs on that liquid stuff that takes 5 minutes to fill.

@shanewalker9564 7 ай бұрын

WHY is this person obsessed with range i am in the UK and would buy one today if i could after 300m 90% i would need food and a bathroom ample time to recharge 300m in the uk is maybe 8 hours driving but i rarely do 300 a week is this just clickbait or propaganda by the UAW

@nathanbanks2354 7 ай бұрын

I'm Canadian, and I've done a lot of 600km+ days, and a few 1200km+ days. A night time drive for 500km from Nipigon to Kapuskasing has almost no places to stop for fuel too, but I've only done it in a VW Golf TDI with 800km of range. In the UK, 300 miles is a long distance. In North America, 300 years is a long time.

@mlhm5 7 ай бұрын

How utterly disappointing!! $60K+ for 250 miles of range in warm weather which is really 200 at 80% and a lot less if you are pulling a trailer or live in a cold climate. Talk about over promising and under delivering. This takes the cake.

@Tazman55x 7 ай бұрын

Smaller battery and more range vs the competition, but sure.

@MarkXHolland 7 ай бұрын

You're disappointed about the most radical and innovative vehicle for decades which will revolutionise the way cars are built forever? The one that reinvented the automobile? OK. 😂

@ryan6391 7 ай бұрын

All these issues effect ICE cars to.

@DelPhonic1 7 ай бұрын

Did you mention gas range degradation of gas cars over 100k miles at the beginning of this presentation? Like when you talk about daily effective range when charging from 10-80%. No one cares too much about range except when they are driving long distances, when you oftentimes start off at home at 100%, or leaving a destination charger at 100%. If you’re gonna hit EV’s so hard on this, you at least need to talk all comparisons to gas cars- otherwise you’re simply punching down on EV’s. I had no problem getting the rated range in my Plaid. Even with the huge elevation changes in california, and having 20k miles on it already. But I drove 59-69 miles the entire time. 99% of the time happily as a clam, i prefer to drive from 70mph to 165mph so…

@azpharmacy4615 7 ай бұрын

That goes for all EV cars and some worse than other. If you tow long distance, stick with ICE car. Ev cars are have long way to go.