Is a shotgun loaded with buckshot the ultimate home defense load? See the results of our terminal ballistics performance test of two #00 Buckshot loads. Links PAC-T test playlist • PAC-T tests
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@SHOT_GUNNER27 күн бұрын
Excellent test! Thank you for sharing your experience with these shells.
@sdkweber27 күн бұрын
You are welcome. We have a new buckshot test coming out in a few weeks comparing #4, #00 (actually 6 different #00 buck loads), and #000 buckshot. Thanks for watching.
@aaronneumeyer55722 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I have informally noticed watching reviews over the years that 00 rounds packed with 8 pellets had a tighter group than those that squeeze in a 9th pellet. Something seems to happen that often sends one of the nine off the mark as a 'flyer'. Since the Federal shot was loaded with nine, perhaps the extra pellet ricocheted into another and two full pieces of shot (the four missing halves) sailed away into oblivion. It might make in interesting test to shoot eight versus nine shot loads of various brands onto clean paper targets each time to see if you find a similar result.
@sdkweber2 жыл бұрын
This is a very good observation Aaron. Thanks for posting that information. I appreciate it and it makes me think I should do a few more buckshot tests in the future.
@m.m4982Ай бұрын
If you have 9 pellets vs 8 of course you're gonna have 1 further out in spread than the others. You can make the same case with 7,6,5,4,3,2 and 1 pellet 😂
@mikeh16679 ай бұрын
Should have used the FBI testing standard of 4 layers of clothes in front of gel block. Hornady Home Defense with the vera-tight wad does not over penetrate.
@nelsonr1467Ай бұрын
Why he's using testing buckshot not jhps
@pg2661 Жыл бұрын
Excellent rendition
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Thank you P G. And thank you for watching and posting.
@tomgiorgini91549 ай бұрын
why no mention of choke on that bird barrel
@javyjavier7826 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, a very informative video. 👍
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
You are welcome Javy. Thanks for watching and posting.
@SW-oo2jw Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Thank you.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
You are welcome S W. And thank you for watching and taking the time to post.
@mrpibb77817 ай бұрын
New subscriber. Really enjoy your presentation. Nasty weather today and ive seen quite a few videos im interested in. Should be a good day😅. FWIW, i love #4 with a cominination of 00 and a couple slugs in a shell card just in case.
@sdkweber7 ай бұрын
Welcome to our channel. I hope you enjoy our content. I know others who suggest a mix of different buckshot and slugs, nothing wrong with that at all. Pretty potent stuff up close.
@mrpibb77817 ай бұрын
@@sdkweber absolutely. Still have to pattern everything you plan to use though.
@sdkweber7 ай бұрын
@@mrpibb7781 Yes, practice/training is essential.
@podsmpsg1 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't use 3 inch for defense, 3 inch is overkill for defense against humans. I think I'd go with Force X2, the only real advantage of the Critical Defense 00 buck is it moves faster. The Critical Defense is more likely to over penetrate and kicks more. The Force X2 has less recoil and transfers more energy to the target, which means more damage and the threat is more likely to be stopped. Also, the Force X2 gives you 9 pellets as opposed to the Critical Defense's 8. I also like that the pellets with the Force X2 are copper plated, that's less stress on the barrel.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and posting Steve. Good overall summary. What do you think about the shotgun (with buckshot) vs. a rifle (5.56)?
@podsmpsg1 Жыл бұрын
@@sdkweber You're welcome. Yeah. Personally, I'd use 00 Buckshot for defense over a 5.56/.223. I just think the buckshot does more damage and causes a larger and more deadly wound. I heard an ER nurse once say that a .223 bullet from an AR style rifle does more damage and causes a bigger wound than buckshot from a shotgun. That's BS, I'm no nurse or Doctor, but even I know that buckshot causes a bigger and more severe wound.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
@@podsmpsg1 The wounding from a supersonic center fire rifle creates a very different scenario due to velocity when velocities exceed 1900 fps in the target. I have studied this as part of my terminal ballistics work and described it in this video on terminal ballistics and overpressure effects kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jN2ol92jnc_Mn2Q.html I think you will like that video. Have a good day Steve
@podsmpsg1 Жыл бұрын
@@sdkweber Thanks. I'll check it out. Thank you, you too.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
@@podsmpsg1 You are welcome Steve.
@podsmpsg114 күн бұрын
Both are great, no doubt about that at all. I'd use either or. Force X2 might be a little harder to find.
@moreme408 ай бұрын
Good video. I was shooting 2 3/4 inch 12 Gauge slugs today at the range. It was pretty stout recoil. I was thinking how much more severe the recoil would’ve been shooting magnum slugs….
@sdkweber8 ай бұрын
Yeah, those 3" magnums have substantially more recoil. The 2 3/4" shells are effective and more practical for home defense.
@oklahomahank2378 Жыл бұрын
The 1600 fps is out of a 30” barrel, according to Hornady. So probably 100-200 fps less from a short barrel.
@carlschumacher32576 ай бұрын
Just to mention, 8 #00 buckshot weighs 430.4 grs. 9 #00 buckshot weighs 484.2 grs.
@sdkweber6 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting that.
@carlschumacher32576 ай бұрын
@@sdkweber you are welcome.
@robertezell19163 ай бұрын
I wondered if anyone else knew that. I have reloaded thousands of rounds with both.
@cvdubya577410 ай бұрын
Idk i picked up one 10rd box of the X2 to try out but havent yet. Id like to see a test through simulated house walls (2 pieces of 5/8 sheetrock scewed onto a couple 2x4 studs) and see if theres any truth to its claim of being safer to use for home defense. Otherwise it seems to me its just an overpriced gimmick round and Federal PowerShock #4 Buck would do just as well for about half the cost. I have a bunch of the Federal LE 00 Buck with FliteControl wad and thats probably the best overall defensive 12 guage shell out there but i wish they made it in #4 Buck too for home defense.
@sdkweber10 ай бұрын
That is an interesting idea. I have done some testing with artificial walls in the past but not with buckshot. I might do that test and post the video in there is interest. Thanks for watching and posting.
@robertezell19164 ай бұрын
The wad would not be first on target, it would follow the pellets and there could still be pellets inside the wad when striking your gel block. Years ago I loaded over 10 different 00 buck 2.75" 12 ga loads and what I found was 00 buck when loaded with good buffer in a good full length wad running at 1625 fps out of an 18" to 20" barrel with screw in full chokes is very accurate and deadly out to yards and some loads even 50 + yards. Shotguns do not mess around and since those test I ran, new factory loaded 00 buck can and will give you the same effects or even better but make no mistake, if tighter groups from you shotgun is what you seek, screw in chokes are a must have and the willingness to buy a lot of different rounds to try and if you are sensitive to recoil, maybe you best stick to handguns. The most deadly round I have found for home defense is a 2.75" magnum load of #4 and #6 shot mixed together out of a Mossberg 590A1 Vang Comp with added screw in chokes in an 18.5" heavy walled barrel. At 20 yards which is way further than most people can shoot inside their homes and in most cases in say even their front or back lawn, this hand loaded round is simply deadly. Fps was about 1650. Yep, that is most definitely a magnum 2 3/4” load
@sdkweber4 ай бұрын
You are right that the wad hits after or slightly after at close range. I reload shotshells (MEC) but never tried loading buckshot. That is good to know. Thanks for posting.
@markn45263 ай бұрын
@@sdkweber I was watching another video where the shooter was shooting from only 15 FEET away from the target and the pellets didn't even leave the wad yet. It was essentially a nine-piece slug going thru the target. So, what that tells me is that at a shorter defensive distance it might be better to use loads that don't have any type of spread control technology and/or use smaller shot sizes to get at least some spread.
@sdkweber3 ай бұрын
@@markn4526 Interesting. Thanks for posting that Mark. You will be happy to know that I am planning another --more exhaustive-- buckshot test including #4, #00, and #000 buck. That video will be coming out this summer.
@markn45263 ай бұрын
@@sdkweber That'll be great! Maybe you could answer a question. All else being equal, would a higher velocity load result in more or less spread at a given distance than a lower velocity load? I shoot slugs 95% of the time and I'm just wondering.
@sdkweber3 ай бұрын
@@markn4526 As you noted, all else being equal, the higher velocity load should produce more spread at a given distance. The buckshot pellets are not very aerodynamic and should tend to disperse more at higher velocity. I think the proof will be in the pudding though. I have four different #00 buck loads that I will be testing each with a different advertised velocity.
@stanleymaestas5441 Жыл бұрын
The split buckshot is #4 buckshot
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
The pellets used in the Federal load are #00 buck. After splitting they may take on the general weight of #4. Is that what you are driving at?
@stanleymaestas5441 Жыл бұрын
@sdkweber I agree 12ga federal force X2 00 buckshot is 00 buckshot when split is like #4 buckshot in weight. It seems on gel impact. It's like 00buckshot in low recoil 1100-1200 fps, and 12- 15 inches in penetration. Compared to 12ga full power 00 buckshot 1300 -1600 fps. They get more like 16-18 inches and more penetration. My earlier comment about federal force X2 00 buckshot = #4 buckshot. In different videos, full power #4 buckshot gets about same gel penetration as federal force X2 00 buckshot. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that way to me. Cool video 📹 😎 👌 👍.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
@@stanleymaestas5441 You may be right about the terminal performance Stanley. That makes me think, we not just use #4 to begin with. We have a new buckshot video coming out in April that you might like. Thanks for watching and posting Stanley.
@markn45263 ай бұрын
@@stanleymaestas5441 A higher velocity should result in less spread/tighter pattern and more penetration at given distance.
@johnkoenig49619 күн бұрын
WRONG
@6familyman Жыл бұрын
Great video. What’s the problem with over penetration?
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Thank you Greybeard. The concern with over penetration is that the buckshot or bullet may strike another person.
@captains5182 Жыл бұрын
If your in a house or apartment it will EASILY go through walls. You can kill your neighbors or people in the next room. I've tested buckshot on car doors and they go right through. This is not the movies.
@ilikepineapples78359 ай бұрын
Thanks
@sdkweber9 ай бұрын
You are welcome.
@84751431172 ай бұрын
THANKS...
@sdkweber2 ай бұрын
You are welcome. We have buckshot test coming out later this summer including #4, #00, and #000 buck.
@84751431172 ай бұрын
@@sdkweber it was hard to get a hold of but I finally got a hold of some Federal Force X2 SHORTY SHELLS for my Mossberg Shockwave and they seem to shoot just fine... I don't have ballistic jell to make test as you do so I do rely on your testing and that of others and so far these X2 seem to perform as advertised and not just some gimmick...
@sdkweber2 ай бұрын
@@8475143117 Cool. I never shot any of the shorty shells.
@robertezell19163 ай бұрын
No gel block will ever produce any results close to what a human body will. Fluids make a difference along with bone and muscle density. For home defense nothing will ever compare to a shotgun, nothing, period. Say what you want.
@richardlow1821 Жыл бұрын
You wouldn't wanna be hit by any trust me that wil make your day rainy 😂, I run honardy critical defense, because the groups were tighter and its hotter (shooting it with a Mav88) and I'm a big guy so recoil is no issue for me, can't go wrong with neither, rather this, than pelting stones 😂 good test btw
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and posting Richard.
@jts12fan Жыл бұрын
Great video ❤ it 👍 subscribed.
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Thank you and welcome to our channel.
@Steve-dx5jq10 ай бұрын
Good testing, but what choke are you using ? Very important piece of info......
@sdkweber10 ай бұрын
Good question. I am using the Primos Jelly-head 0.665 constriction choke. It is a tight choke.
@dburns4552 жыл бұрын
I think it would be interesting to shoot those #00 buckshot loads from rifles with shorter barrel lengths to find out if the spread of the buckshot widens from shorter barrels. It brings to mind the old blunderbuss.
@sdkweber2 жыл бұрын
I wondered about that too. I have a few shotguns with barrels of various length. Thanks for watching and posting.
@User-nx7rs2 жыл бұрын
I thought #00 buckshot loads were fired from shotguns not rifles.
@sdkweber2 жыл бұрын
@@User-nx7rs Yes of course, shotshells and buckshot in shotguns. I read the post above but understood what was being asked.
@DragonE11 Жыл бұрын
What’s the weight of the different ammo? Asking as a semi-auto owner
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
Hello Eddie M, good question. Each Federal Force X2 shell weighs 1.5 oz while each Hornady Critical Defense shell weighs 1.3 oz.
@DragonE11 Жыл бұрын
@@sdkweber thank you so much for the prompt reply !
@sdkweber Жыл бұрын
@@DragonE11 You are welcome. We will be testing some more buckshot in the near future.
@ghengisswanson3923 Жыл бұрын
I subscribe to the late James Yeagers philosophy on buckshot Keep it to lead. Plated pellets don't deform much if at all and that deformation is a good thing in a flesh and blood target. Gives you good deceleration and energy dump.