Testing multiple active balancers from HeltecBMS.

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SolarEngineering

SolarEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

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@Sanwizard1
@Sanwizard1 9 ай бұрын
Nice test! Thank you for the hard work and upload.
@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity
@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity 2 жыл бұрын
Great testing. I have some of those analog meters too. I’m setting up my off grid bank ~ 132 kWh. 10 16s batteries and 5 different brands of BMS’s. Redundancy and just for the experience.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
wow, that's a huge battery bank! do you want to share your setup on this channel?
@MsBlkmoses
@MsBlkmoses Жыл бұрын
I’d like to thank you for sharing this video which helped me decide to buy heltec 4a samrt active balancer. God bless you.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@5885ronny
@5885ronny 8 ай бұрын
Sehr gutes Video 😊😊
@PhG1961
@PhG1961 2 жыл бұрын
Great review, very well documented and explained !
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
thanks
@kostaskostopoulos2913
@kostaskostopoulos2913 11 ай бұрын
Hello. First, I have to thank you for your advice concerning the JK BMS/active balancer. I have installed some pcs of this BMS and the work fine. I have another question. I am wondering if this JK BMS/active balancer could connect in parallel (2 or 3 DIY 48V and 280Ah battery banks), connect, and communicate with DEYE 3--phase, 12kw inverter? Thank you for your help.
@SATAOfficial123
@SATAOfficial123 Жыл бұрын
If I buy 10-14s, can under 10S also use this battery balancer?
@matthewknight5641
@matthewknight5641 Жыл бұрын
Can you recommend a good bms for a 24 volt battery made with 24 Nissan leaf modules. It's a different chemistry than the lifepo4 and I've never had a bms before. I'm not sure what to buy but I need a bms to keep from having a fire from what I've been told. They battery has a top voltage of 25 volts and I only take it down to 20 volts. Any help with recommendations for the leaf bms would be appreciated
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic demonstration of active balancers. Thank you! All active balancers measure cell voltages on board so any voltage drop over those light gauge wires with, I imagine several hundred millivolt voltage drop under peak currents will decrease the current (i.e see a higher cell voltage than it really is ) it can push into the cells. With some suitable cables, maybe it can pull the rated current from a cell that is fully charged? Might be worthwhile checking the voltages at the cells. Ofcourse, all this is academic...we don't expect active balancers to balance in a short time.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the feedback, didn't measure the voltage drop.
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering It occurred to me that they probably alternately measure the voltage of the cell then feed current to the cell at some slow frquency so they can avoid the voltage drop due to current?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
@@BenMitro I don't know, 1st and 2nd look like just opening bridge between cells allowing current to flow and it appears to be highly ineffective (at least for batteries 25Ah+). The last balancer has a transformer that allows pushing into cell 4A independent of cells voltage diff (pulsing to measure voltage).
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering Yes, I noticed that about the last balancer. Looks like the way to go if that balancing is on the cards. Still in two minds about the efficacy of doing this after the batteries are initially balanced...but I don't know.
@mhmdsaleh3502
@mhmdsaleh3502 Жыл бұрын
Hello sir : does 17s 5A balancer work on 13s battery or I should buy 13s balancer for it ? Thanks
@arduinoprojecttutorial6774
@arduinoprojecttutorial6774 7 күн бұрын
How many ampere balancers should be installed for how many ampere batteries? How many ampere balancers do I need for my battery pack? my battery bank 24v 160Ah(lifepo4 8s).
@mhmdsaleh3502
@mhmdsaleh3502 Жыл бұрын
Thanks sir for your effort . It worths !
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
It's my pleasure
@9111logic
@9111logic 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing 🙏
@jajuhec1
@jajuhec1 Жыл бұрын
Hello, if i have 35 kwh electric car with unbalanced cells, wich balancer should i buy? Its brand jac sei 1, thank for you for your time.
@burnzy56469
@burnzy56469 2 жыл бұрын
Hi mate just wondering thay say you can cascading the smart active balancer for more than 24s so if you hook up 2 balancer together say 36s I wonder if the unit's can balance between them. Like from cell 1 to cell 36. My battery is 14s and I have another battery 14s in parallel Thanks
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, if you have 2 batteries with 14s in parallel, then your pack is 14s2p and you need to use just 1 active balancer since cells in the pack paralleled as well.
@bonsquared9316
@bonsquared9316 Жыл бұрын
Great review. I ordered 10a Heltec balancer. Ñ
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
wow! curious to hear how it works.
@rOSScOGITANS
@rOSScOGITANS Жыл бұрын
great test
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@jacopo.scarpellini
@jacopo.scarpellini Жыл бұрын
I don’t think you can calculate the required time based on voltage difference; you need to know the Ah difference, which is not linear with voltage for LiFePO4
@Alex300zxTT
@Alex300zxTT 2 жыл бұрын
Так какой балансёр из этих тебе больше нравится, или всё-таки тот что у тебя раньше был? Я никак не могу решить какой себе брать, у меня 16s
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
поставил последний (4A) к себе в систему, он единственный отбалансировал ячейки.
@marktheunitedstatescitezen185
@marktheunitedstatescitezen185 Жыл бұрын
Can I hock up to my 15S DAILY 120A BMS an Active Balancer for 31 wires which are not connected to the 15S BMS only the Active Balancer is connected to all 31 batteries and out of the 31 Batteries 15 are in series for 48v can this be done ?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
need more info. What is the battery config? 31 cells total and 15 are in series?
@jhorperez4411
@jhorperez4411 2 жыл бұрын
Sir if i have 16s3p 280ah prismatic what compatible active balancer for my setup? Is there higher amperage active balancer?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
version with Bluetooth (last one in video) works great
@hamieh1
@hamieh1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks helped allot
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it
@christophec252
@christophec252 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. Interesting video. Do you think if I use my JKBMS with 2 amp active balance with another active balancer you suggest same time connected to the battery to improve. Will it works?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
I'm using 2 balancers with my 23kWh bank (1 built-in into BMS and 2nd balancer from this video). Make sure to run 2 sets of wires for each balancer.
@christophec252
@christophec252 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering thanks for the return. You mean each balancer have is own cable for exemple connected close the cells?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
yes correct.
@rOSScOGITANS
@rOSScOGITANS Жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering you mean connected directly to the batteries (to every single cell) and not to a connection hub?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
@@rOSScOGITANS correct. Connecting to hub (or splitter) can cause false voltage readings and balancers will start balancing each other.
@olivierj.2435
@olivierj.2435 Жыл бұрын
What happens when you try to balance for example 5s battery with 7s~24s balancer and additionnal power supply ? Will it work ? Thanks
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
I know that last one I tested will work with external power supply. Not sure about others.
@olivierj.2435
@olivierj.2435 Жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering I have just see new balancers 2s~24s it should work. Thanks for reply
@patrickmckowen2999
@patrickmckowen2999 Жыл бұрын
Good video 👍
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kostaskostopoulos2913
@kostaskostopoulos2913 Жыл бұрын
Hello, up to your experience till today in BMS and active balancers , is there a reliable BMS and active balancer that you recommend?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
I'm using JKBMS with builtin 2A active balancer in 23kwh battery bank. It's rated for 200A, but I'm limiting it to 100A. So far works well.
@kostaskostopoulos2913
@kostaskostopoulos2913 Жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering thank you for your prompt response. Do you use it 24/24 and 7/7, all time connected to the battery bank?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
yes, working 24/7 since feb 2022
@jamesmason7124
@jamesmason7124 Жыл бұрын
What about the bms
@Rahan-31
@Rahan-31 2 жыл бұрын
Merci
@JamesMonroe-dm3ux
@JamesMonroe-dm3ux 8 ай бұрын
Do these active balancers work with 18650 nmc cells?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 8 ай бұрын
yes
@nathanprofit3966
@nathanprofit3966 Жыл бұрын
i have 32 cell 200Ah each please how hrs do i need to top balance them
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
this video might help: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsWllqt5086YeZ8.html
@dust6242
@dust6242 Жыл бұрын
If all the batteries are connected together in series and parallel to act as a single battery how is it possible that individual packs can be balanced?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
balancers designed to balance individual cells in packs.
@dust6242
@dust6242 Жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering thanks for the reply but what I don't understand is how it would isolate an individual cell when they're all connected together as one thank you
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
​@@dust6242 The active balancer has wires going to each group. So the 4s balancer has 5 wires. 3 wires go the the middle connections and 2 wires go on each end. Now the balancer can see the individual voltages of all 4 cells. Any two wire connections side by side can see and control the battery in between the two wires. I hope that makes sense. So if you had 4 separate batteries the balancer would need 8 wires to see the positive and negative of each battery. When you connect these 4 batteries together in series, 3 of the 8 wires are doubled up so the extra wires can be removed. You end up needing only 5 wires.
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 Жыл бұрын
​@@dust6242 Also keep in mind that the balancer can only work between batteries in series. If you have a group of batteries in parallel, they balance themselves because all of their positives are connected together and all of their negatives are connected together.
@efdawahfan
@efdawahfan 2 жыл бұрын
camera is moving all over ...its gives us old people d izzy...i prefer static camera...nice video thank you.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
got it, thanks for feedback
@sidorovmn
@sidorovmn Жыл бұрын
Братан в Россию отправишь? ))) а если серьезно - ниссан лиф собираюсь в марте перепаковать на 70 квт, и думаю установить туда активный балансир чтобы какая-то позорная ячейка б/у модулей от катл не портила всю малину. как думаешь что наиболее подходит под вариант "установил и забыл на года" ?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
2-4А очень мало для аккума в авто, т.к. там очень большие токи. я не строил батарейки для высоких токов, но насколько я понимаю надо правильно подобранные ячейки, чтобы не было дисбаланса.
@antoni_sk
@antoni_sk 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I think that in video is big mistake... 16S 120A price 37 USD ???!!! I didnt find it in this price on Ali in Heltec BMS Official Store... It must be mistake !
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
here you go my friend: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AB7PCv
@albertwhite8629
@albertwhite8629 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see without the help of the power supply. The end result would give efficiency.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
it's not going to balance pack, v diff going to be 100mv+. Only last balancer is doing what it's suppose to do.
@ivecodaily4x4
@ivecodaily4x4 2 жыл бұрын
А бмс от этой компании будут на тесте?
@ivecodaily4x4
@ivecodaily4x4 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 когда нажал на паузу и строчиш комент даже не начав смотреть
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
@@ivecodaily4x4 да, скоро появятся тесты
@ivecodaily4x4
@ivecodaily4x4 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering с текущим курсом $ Китай стал прям неприятно дорогим😭
@jefersono1971
@jefersono1971 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any recommendation to start the balance after 3.45V?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
I personally prefer to set a low start voltage, it could be too late to balance when the lowest cell reaches 3.45V (at least on my bigger pack). My settings: start voltage 2.5V (basically balance all the time) and cell diff voltage 0.02V
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
and to your previous question: it's not to make Heltec happy, it's to show that in real life balancer will not reach specified amperage.
@jefersono1971
@jefersono1971 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarEngineering I'm Sorry for that wrong question. English isn't my native language and understud what you said about the real life at the second time i whatched which seems to me very clear. That's why I deleted It! Thank you!
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
@@jefersono1971 I see, English is not my native language as well.
@kazmirzleszno
@kazmirzleszno Жыл бұрын
what was the password to pair bluetooth ??
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
try 000000 or 123456
@John-brc20
@John-brc20 6 ай бұрын
Nobody don't make us video 3p8s connection with 1 bms
@CATA20034
@CATA20034 Жыл бұрын
Your setup is wrong in many ways. First the cheaper balancers they don't have the pulsating option, so the wire length has a big impact. Use as short as possible wire for those balancers.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
I don't think so, all of these passive balancers are too far from specs. For example one of them is rated for 5A (so wires must be rated for 5A as well), but it's balancing with only 20% of the rated current.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Жыл бұрын
any other wrong ways?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
I'm giving balancers for free: 3-4S 5.5A - have 2 of them 4s 10A - 2 pcs 12-16S 5.5A - 1 pcs If you want to get them, leave me a note (you'll need to pay shipping from North California) update: all gone
@electronpower2758
@electronpower2758 2 жыл бұрын
Is 12-16s still available? Thank You
@marcelolima-adv
@marcelolima-adv 2 жыл бұрын
@@electronpower2758 I am interested in 4s 10A. THank you.
@josee.torres764
@josee.torres764 2 жыл бұрын
Hi...Thanks for your explanation and instructive video. Interested on the 3-4S 5.5A balancers. Please let me know. Thanks!!!😀
@mikaelthakur
@mikaelthakur Жыл бұрын
have them,
@pespsisipper
@pespsisipper Жыл бұрын
i can't find a good active balancer for my 5S 12v 20ah lead acid pack (electric vehicle) do lithium battery balancers works on lead acid batteries? i thought you might help me
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