You're welcome!!

​​@@TFLEVyeah, great job 👍, the media is blatantly lying about what it is like to own these cars, if you know the basics and have common sense there is 0 issues in reality. I feel like that news story in Chicago should have been titled "Least competent EV owners descend on supercharger location for unintended car meet".

@@supraman321na4 So zero issues except for that if it's very cold you may not be able to recharge them? How about in Canada where one place was asking people to cut their power usage, including charging EVs, due to the risk of grid failure? Imagine if you could have a vehicle where you didn't have to pay a premium to have functionality without all of these compromises. Oh hang on..........

@@supraman321na4 I think the media is covering it quite accurately just two days ago They reported everyone getting blocked because of cold weather at Tesla chargers. I think Elon is the only one not reporting it fairly and the fanboys, of course.

@@oldbloke204 Yeah, 0 issues at 2 degrees fahrenheit, it is not true that you can't charge, the people they picked to interview have no idea what they are doing or how anything regarding an EV works. There are no significant issues if you have a working knowledge of the vehicle and how to prepare for the weather, just like every other vehicle in the world. The people we are talking about here are the same ignorant people that would run their vehicle out of gas in their ICE vehicles and they would just be parked on the side of a highway all over or driving on bald tires in the winter, etc.

They suck in hot summers too. My acura rl gets near 500 miles per tank. I owned a lightening but sold it for a 20k profit last year when silly people were overpaying for them. My best range on it though with a full charge was 200 miles. Not a practical technology unless you never need to travel more than 150 miles.

And 300 is ideal conditions, no load and best cruising speed. Very poor range to begin with.

Battery range isn't there yet will be in a few years. New technology is right around the corner they made lot of progress over the years. I'll buy one when the range hits 500 miles.

As a felow Minnesotan I totally agree. Last week when we were at -6 deg outside, I laughed thinking about all the EV's out there stuggling. I spent 10 minutes at the gas station and said "yep, my 2018 Ford Taurus is good for another 400 miles and I'm not restricked on how much heat I need. lol

​@IFLYBELL and this winter has been mild... normally we have some -15 or worse for a week straight. Even some -30s.

Hertz cars are 3 years old with about 90k miles on them. They are 40k. New and not sure if they qualify for the 7500 rebate, For 90k miles that’s not bad depreciation,

I think most of Hertz’s cars are Standard Range or Standard Range Plus RWD. TFL’s price should be in the ballpark based on battery size and AWD.

Hertzs model 3s are standard range rwd, you can charge it to 100% all the time without hurting the battery which will most renters do anyways.

Ok, now let's see how a different company ev compares with snow tires and the same conditions.

Many of those 20,000 cars are brand new, never used, because there was no demand for them.

Yeah, I fully support EVs but you need ideal conditions to drive one. Definitely wouldn't own one in a place that snowed.

Hmm leaves a lot of unanswered questions . . . . . . .

@@johngoff8923 Why not ask him how long it took to fuel up, and the fill rate at the pump?

No gasoline car has 500 miles a tank unless ur a truck. So your story is a liar

@@erich9779 My Ram 1500 has a 22 gallon tank and gets about 25 on the highway. I regularly go further than 450 miles on a tank.

But then not in front with what is standard with a screen behind the steering wheel, which is extraordinary considering many ICE cars half the price of this will have them. These cars are really spartan and cut back considering the luxury sector pricing. Looking sideways on to a big screen with so much on it finding the item you want is a massive distraction which I rarely do. The entry price in the UK for a Tesla is a dogged £40,000 which massive unaffordable price which seems unaffected by all the price cut announcements. It is difficult to fathom the appeal of these vehicles except as a possibly fun hobby if you have plenty of cash to spare and want to test yourselves in a real time range game.

That Front HUD Panel is HIDEOUS! It's 2024 TESLA...c'mon man. Seriously, the interior dash is ugly.

The dishonesty of most EV enthusiasts is counter-productive. It will lead to a backlash once normal car buyers realize they were deceived, and slow the transition.

@@pyotrberia9741 We already know.

Its interesting to see videos claiming to be honest, I just watched Out of spec reviews video called I'm Stuck In Traffic In An EV & It’s Freezing! How Long Can The Car Last Before I Run Out Of Charge and he showed a very minimal range loss. It was a simulation but I dont think it was an honest/realistic video, TFL did a better real world example of EV issues in the cold.

Yeah EVs themselves are already slowing the "transition" enough on their own. @@pyotrberia9741

I mean its not like gas cars dont have this issue. Cant start it if your 12v lead acid battery freezes. Im in denver and we had plenty of people who drive gas cars that couldnt make it to work because of frozen batteries. I have a subaru and my husband has a leaf, he has a longer commute and when it gets this cold we trade. Despite the cold (there was ice under the dash cover) I still made it to work and back without issue, he wouldn’t have with his commute, but thats why we swapped cars. I think people forget its a different technology and thus has different strengths and weaknesses. At the end of the day you have to prep accordingly, if you have an EV or ICE vehicle.

Let's be honest, when the first Teslas came out with low-resistance Summer tires, they weren't just trying to maximize range. These things are meant to be second or third vehicles that you drive when it's nice outside. That's it. People keep trying to use them like real cars but they're not.

​@@TheCharleseye I use my (non-Tesla) EV everyday like a real car year round in icy cold New England. Do I need to be more thoughtful about where I want to go tomorrow? Yes. Is that outweighed by how much I love my car? Yes. If you're using an EV every day to get to work and run errands, etc, and charging at home when needed, there is no range anxiety. If you have a long commute in cold weather and unpredictable charging options, then an EV isn't a good choice.

@@TheCharleseyenope, you can use it as main car. over pumped tires are to boast higher range. less rolling resistance

@@mattmurphy8845 Thank you for supporting my statement. EVs can't replace real cars. It's like trying to replace Dewalt tools with Walmart tools. Sure, they'll do fine for a lot of people who really don't use them for much, but those who need the real deal are going to be stuck if they use the play toy version. My 70-year-old mother loves her Black & Decker drill because she never does anything that requires more than an electric screwdriver. You won't see B&D on a jobsite and you're not gonna see a whole lot of EVs in large swaths of the US. They're really more of a European solution, where a "long drive" is the couple of hours it takes to get from London, England to Paris, France. I'm glad your EV is good enough to hang pictures in your hallway. If you'll excuse me, I've got a deck to build.

My EV replaced my old "real car." It sounds like an EV doesn't work for you, but that doesn't mean they don't work. @@TheCharleseye

Agree on every point. EV can be a second car to drive sometimes during summer. So basically for the upper middle class and above.

Never lost 1% during the night let alone 3%. I often leave the car at the airport for 8 days at a time and I only lose 2% max during that time.

@@777jrg Are you in Canada or way up north? Even a phone will lose charge just sitting there for a week.

I left my Tesla at airport in Canada for 5 days with temps ranging 5F to -5F. I lost 2% IF you have ability to charge at home you can also precondition the battery to drive it. Honestly for day to day for “most” people the range lost in winter is a non issue. I can see it being an issue for some and those folks should avoid EV if they don’t want to be super charging all the time.

A person who lives in the city and drives 15km a day doesn't need a diesel f250. A retired couple who are constantly towing a 35ft RV across the entire country don't need an ev. You only need a vehicle that suits you. You don't have to worry so much about what other people want to do. If they want an ev and it suits their needs, there is no good reason not to.

Of course it is warm since you car has heat as byproduct. Look at it this way, you got 23.7 mpg. One gallon of gas is equivalent to 33.7kWh. With two gallons of gas you do 47.4 miles, and that is 67.4kWh. Tesla did in -3F in worst conditions 158 miles with 66kWh. Still more than 3 times more efficient than you gas car.

@Sasoon2006-- I agree that my Lincoln isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle out there, but I don't mind spending a few extra dollars on gas. Almost half the miles that I drive are on the highway, and it is a great car on long trips. It has a huge trunk, which I need when I travel. If I had an EV, I would probably be spending much more on public charging than on gas, plus the extra time waiting for it to charge. In talking to some EV owners, they say that it is much more expensive to use a public charger, than it is to charge from home.

@@Sasoon2006 You can celebrate the Tesla's superior efficiency when you're stranded on the hwy 50 miles from home in freezing weather at night.....

​@@Sasoon2006 What use is that if you can't use your tesla, as in the Chicago debacle? ICE vehicles just GO!!

​@@Sasoon2006 And? My Suburban is less efficient than his Lincoln. My conversion van is less efficient than my Suburban. So what? They both have 31 gallon tanks and I have an endless supply of gas stations to choose from. My tanks fill in about five minutes and - unlike your charging stations - every gas station I use is also a convenience store, with bathrooms, that takes cash. When someone chugging along in a beat up '78 Buick has a better experience during their pit stops than someone driving a $70,000 Tesla...there's something fundamentally wrong with your infrastructure.

Totally unsafe

If anything he is saying is true. I believe about 1% of what I read on here. @@CarShopping101

Panic and stress.........who needs it?

Not buying one. Ever. 2% left? Yeah that's safe for everyone. I realize this is your test. Most people get very anxious at 1/8th of a tank... or about 12%. Based on that you have about 18 miles left. In a regular car 1/8th even in low mileage situations like this it is 2 gallons or 40 miles remaining. There will be multiple gas stations providing a 5 minute fillup.. you have very few options at a 30 minute fill up. Huummmm

That’s what you get for buying a ev 😂

You sound like all the snow dogs owners that cried when they said just use diesel.

diesel doesnt handle the cold like petrol does, luckily scandinavia has special winter diesel, but it happens that someone fueled their car in europe or mostly had it sitting since summer, then the diesel is like butter in the tank and all your fuel lines if its cold.

@@TheHenirik Ah yes, i forget to mention that we do have special winter diesel.

LOL! This just happened to me as a 28 year old man this past christmas

I remember some winters in the 1970's it take two batteries to start a car. We finally went with plug in heaters.

Haha yes! And to think all these years later, liberals still haven't been able to figure it out!

Todays EV's are the motorola flip phones of 2024.. you'd need to carry a spare battery just like you need a generator with a tank of gas in the back of the EV.

Lithium battery's were made in 78 and not in production until the 90s early 2000s sooo your lead acid battery was made in 1860s... congratulations on basing your experience on 1800s technology.... wait until the new solid state batteries come out that are 30% better than lithium... I think in the 80s you only got like 6-10 mpg as well....

yeah, it pretty much rules out a Tesla as a vehicle if you live in the north central US, it's at best a summer vehicle, I'm not even sure they can fix this issue any time soon.

@@gentronseven Not until new battery tech is perfected and available.

​@xpavar yeah I'm just skeptical as to there being battery tech capable of fixing it since stored chemical energy will always be inefficient at lower temperatures, heating the batteries will drain them, the problem got worse as he drove in the cold so residual heating wasn't enough etc. It's not clear there's a way to fix it unless capacity gets much higher

Plenty of Teslas driving around in upstate New York, Chicago, Massachusetts in the winter. You know what else I also see each day? Plenty of gas vehicles broken down on the side of the road. More energy is needed to heat a battery and cabin in the winter. That’s common sense. Just account for this and you’re fine. Our family have an 11 yr old EV, a 10 yr old EV, and a 9 yr old EV, each get driven year round, and none of them have ever been stranded or ran out of energy. We understand that more energy is used when it’s cold. It’s as simple as that. As long as you’re paying attention to your fuel gauge and understand that different climates affect fuel usage, just as one should do with a gas car as well, there shouldn’t be ever any problem with running out. It’s not rocket science.

​@evolv.e it's 10 degrees colder where I live on average than in Chicago, it's almost 0F every day for 3 months on average, I could have a tesla but for $40k it'd have to be my only car, if I had to drive 100 miles for some reason I wouldn't be able to, and where I live that's also commonly a need.

Simple don’t buy an EV you will be sorry

It's not been an issue for me. I did one road trip in sub freezing temps. Want that big a deal. But, if you live where it gets extremely cold if probably pass. For me I enjoy not having to get gas every week, especially in cold it raining days. For me the pro'd outweigh the con's. Maybe not for you. That's why the government should force this in people

another DEAD BRAIN COMMENT @@rudybergen8975

@@dbradley65 Yes, that is how it should be. We'll see how it turns out.

@@dbradley65You are getting your wish.. EV is the future because government says so.. They will destroy the country proving it…

for sure up there u need true winter tire, for us cali folk, we have summer tire for summer then all season tire for fall to spring.

As an Albertan, I think the only problem with hybrids for most Albertans is that they're not 1-ton trucks. Fix that, and adoption will definitely increase here, especially if they can tow. Otherwise, we're going to remain the place where EV and hybrid drivers can expect a dusting of diesel soot.

​@jessebrook1688 need those 1-tons when you venture out from your suburb style neighbourhood to the grocery store! 😂

and to top it off Danielle Smith just put a moratorium on private renewable energy projects several months ago. braindead.

oil will run out folks, and all hybrids tech is a band aid.

Only if the driver leaves it outside, has those tires, drives at 70, set it to 70 inside. It makes for a great video, but easily avoidable if you plug-it-in as most EV buyers know how to do. My old ICE vehicles would lose 10 to 15% with those type of tires, some did not start at those temps, so not an EV only problem.

@@michaelmcbride2045agree. Noticeable range and efficiency advantage noticed when we garage our EV’s vs leaving them outside overnight in the winter.

Considering this is absolute worst case scenario and can still drive for 3 hours, that's not bad

​@@tjwatson0403I would say not good. My 2004 Toyota Carolla is running Nokian Haakappilliitta R5 winter tires. I have no choice but to park outside, and no access to power for a charger. Last week we had a day similar to the conditions in this test. My old car started on the first turn of the key. The heater is so good I did not need a parka for warmth. The car still had over 250 miles of range on the highway. So much easier.

@@evolv.e That's great when you leave your house, not so much if you come back from the airport, or idk go to work.

its just simple math, as most ev owners lack basic knowledge of hiw much drag rises up when you speed up like 50 to 80... same applies in some extension on ICE cars too, as air resistance is not linear, its logarythmic, in most cases most economical speed is somewhere 55-70 depending on cars own air resitance.... My Volvo V70 diesel can do 55 on highway at 60mpg (4l/100km) but as soon as you top up the speed to 75mph you use 1/4gl. more, (5l+/100km)

@@jkarra2334 I hear ya but simple math does not alway come to the surface when people emotions get involved. Just like common sense is not common😀. We had a Q5 diesel and loved that car, so much power and great drive ability with great mileage. Only 214 HP but 428 ft lbs torque which was fantastic. Buyer shop horsepower but buy torque even though most only look at HP.

@@jkarra2334 I'd argue that EV owners know more about drag that 'gas' car owners. It's simple physics, gas cars use more fuel too, it's just that it's more convenient to fill them with fuel and owners never think about it - until it's 50 miles until the nearest fuel station and your car says you have 45 mile range........

@@markburton8303 gasoline you can easily fit few gallons on trunk with Jerry cans,😁 i always have extra gallon on my every car... Do same with EV ? Besides, My "old" 2016 V70 Volvo does 1300km with one fillup (800 Miles) , Volvo warning message suggests refilling at 120-130km left(70-80 Miles) EV's Area biggest scam in auto industry, here in Scandinavia with decent freezing temperature EV's like Tesla can easily spend 30+ (Even up to 40 )kW /100km (60 Miles) range becomes abysmal, you see these EV clowns driving underspeed and freezing without heating as they try to save few photons EF electricity🤣

I've got friends that live in Finland and their ice car is plugged in so the block doesn't freeze and it starts in the morning. Big tanks on Volvo's.

Thank the left. This is being pushed by elites in government. The market does not want this EV stupidity. It is about money, power and control.

It wasn't all the chargers. It was one spot where the chargers failed. Unprepared owners were the other problem. It wasn't really that big of a deal but the anti-(whatever were mad about this week) crowd piled onto it.

All depends on how much you drive per day. If you're doing less than 200kms then it's fine.

@@ianrobertson3419 If you live on the smallest Plantation, range doesn't matter?

yea no kidding, especially considering actual cold climates like WY, MT, ND, and MN have huge stretches with nothing and especially no EV chargers

I live in MN, you couldn’t pay me to buy an EV of any kind here. I have a hybrid that does pretty well. Which I believe hybrids are the way to go anyways over full EV.

Fully agree, I did the same.@@JS-nd1po

As a Tesla owner, I've never had an issue in sub zero temps. I didn't lose anywhere near 50%. Maybe 18%. But you realize diesel and gasoline vehicles lose range too. Especially if the show is deep and unplowed on the streets.

Agreed when the engine is cold but once the engine warms up you regain most of the mileage, EVs not so much.@@MH-Tesla

EPA should require 70mph highway range. No one really has range anxiety doing local driving around town.

Someplace on youtube ia how the epa tests electric vehicles and its a faulted test. Like when it first came out in the 80s

It's why it's a good idea to check youtube or forums on cars you're interested in to see closer to real range tests. Would be nice if makers had more data, but can't seem to rely on that.

@@nipperdawg1865 EPA test is at 55mph on a dyno in a controlled climate space without a wind load. It's a flawed test scenario.

​@@jstaffordiiminus the power it takes to run the AC and the stereo and the headlights and other electrical components

Exactly, and the many news stories of charging lots full of dead Teslas that couldn't charge in the cold up there proves your point!

So you get around 150 miles

If that was from 100%down to 2 like these guys 130 to 150mi depending on how long it street froze and how much you warmed yourself and the battery while driving. Thats where they lost 30 miles or so. However, like you said best practices is not to drain and go to 100, but 30% charge to 80%....so cut the practical range in half....70 miles. This is after you cut the full summer range in half with the cold. A good test also may be 80% charged, left in freezing street parking with high wind for 3-4 days due to deep snow or wisely staying off the icy road for a weekend. That is likely the situation for the Tesla Chicago Olympics on Tuesday after a 3 day weekend in 0F.

​@@STho205the worst part is the range will drastically go down with age

@@joesniffedherfanny5928 maybe...maybe not. NiCads were terrible about aging out. That's what the original EV1, Leafs and Hondas had...and gave EVs that rep. I tend to keep cars for 15 -20 years 200k mi, if I don't inadvertently buy a lemon. I've not yet seen EVs go that distance...but most haven't been around more than 8 years....with earlier ones really just prototypes.

@@STho205 I've been using lithium batteries for years they definitely hold up better than the nicad batteries but they definitely start losing performance after five or six years old and start going downhill from there once a Lithium powered car hits 8 or 9 years old you will probably have to pay someone to take it not even sure it would have good scrap value because of the cost of disposing of the battery

Remember those pioneers who didn't have anything dictated to them? They just had to deal with exposure to the elements, natives who would ambush them, rivers without bridges and land as far as the eye could see with no roadways. Good thing we have folks today with a mindset like yours: If anything doesn't exactly as I want it to it sucks.

@@JollyLamaCom I’m not sure if you see my sarcasm, I’m from the uk, I know that a lot of Americans don’t get English sarcasm.

@@JollyLamaCom Good thing we have those people, they are the ones who solve problems now instead of forming a study group.

To be fair, if it was 70 in there, he couldn't have comfortably left that hat on. @@phillipbanes5484

@@phillipbanes5484 I live in Minnesota. If I'm going to be in my car for an hour or more, I will always take off my outerwear. Car temps usually set in the 70 degree range. In this example running for over 100 miles, I would have had my coat and gloves off.

​@@GlenOwens-qi5leif im going more than 30 minutes il take my jacket off and get comfortable myself.

I always crank my heater up till I'm sweating like on a hot summer day. Petrol Engine doesn't mind, keeps it cool.

I'm sure the heat was off some to save on battery. They're trying to sell this thing!

Lolololol. Was it actually that cold in Toronto? In any case, there are lots of EVs in Toronto, more so than any other city in Canada. Even Edmonton has lots of EVs and its always cold there.

More like 60-70% honestly.

I lose 15-25% of my range in the cold, HOWEVER.....driving in town uses regen braking more often, so you actually get better range in stop and go situations!

It's like going from 30 miles per gallon in a gas powered car to 18. I'd sell it. LOL

@@SCLARK2112 Ever drive a gas powered car in the negatives? It loses 25-30%.

and don't forget the longer charging time plus waiting in line to get to the charger.

Not to mention they are still somewhat dumb when it comes to being in cruise control as far as coming up on a car in the next lane that may not be quite holding the centre of the lane perfectly , but to a human driver would be just fine too pass, however the tesla has a tendency to jump on the brakes unnecessarily which can be anxiety producing when there is a truck or another car in reasonable close proximity to your rear end at highway speeds. The computer crap has a long way to go before it’s actually up to scratch.

Buddy pretty much any new vehicle with a good battery will start in pretty extreme weather no need to glorify your 95 😂.

@@daryl9799 not that ive seen also there new of course they should mine is a original engine with 280k miles I wanna see a modern engine do that after 20+ years

You haven't tried to crank my 96 diesel in that weather, especially in a test like this where plugging in the block heater would be cheating. Now add to that the issue with these cold temperatures where I live where stations don't switch from summer diesel to winter diesel, and now you also have a gelled tank of fuel that won't flow.

@@tornadotj2059 I usually put warm fire embers under my diesel in winter as well my diesel tank is wrapped to prevent jelling

I've never seen a vehicle not start at -20 unless it had a bad battery lol. Most diesels will too

atleast the ev`s start, lots of diesel cars cars strugle to start in the cold.

Company planned poorly and didn't use the worse case range of the vehicles it chose.

They should have bought Vans with bigger ranges. That is just stupidity. And now switching back? Somebody should get fired.

Vans with longer range are needed. In the meantime, fleets should be careful to know how much range they need for all-day operation, including during winter when the Vans, and their batteries, are older.

@@bossman6174 what ev with bigger range. My bet is they are the Stelantis toyota/peugeot/citroen/opel/fiat van that has been the only one really on offer. 75kwh battery. Only this year has MB realsed the Vito with a bigger battery but they are stupidly expensive. yes there is the buz cargo but going by the enyaqs at work they are worse + they are only available in short version The stellantis van is crap, has allways been but when ISO certification states maximum amount off emssions you don't really have much choice. I been btw sitting around 50kwh/100km (1.2mi/kwh) with it now when tempertures been hovering around -30c here with it.

What is the warranty on the battery in the hybrid?

More likely 1/3 range towing, 1/5th range towing in snow? That's why CT is an instant fail as a real truck without 500+ mile advertised range..

Depends on what you're towing and how heavy it is.

They let their batteries get too low, and didn't precondition the batteries prior to charging.........I plug mine into 120v at home, and where the car definitely drains quicker, I've never been in that situation, and I live in Canada. Bad EV news always seems to be front and center..!?

Bad news on EVs needs to be front and center so consumers are fully informed when making their choices. They’re not the zero carbon emission heaven they’re otherwise made out to be.

@@nathanexplosion5478 Meh, gas powered cars don't always start in cold conditions, but you don't see that all over the news every day it's cold......this is just BS propaganda, putting one technology under an unfair microscope for political gain!

The problem with EVs it is all constant experimentation and digging out the right way to do things out of a confusing mire of choices. I am sure some people enjoy this and good luck to them but that market must be pretty saturated by now. The big problem will be when people not happy in this complex high tech environment are forced in to it and go out on the roads.

you dont need to precondition a gas car to get better gas mileage in the cold. EV fans need to stop making excuses, and acknowledge that EVs still have problems with cold weather.

@@opfreakx7661it’s a different technology so some things are different. On a Tesla, you turn on climate before you leave. It will also heat up the battery. You can do this from your phone or set a schedule to do it every morning before work. It’s really not that hard… but I will say if you are doing a lot of driving each day and can’t charge at home, maybe an EV isn’t for you and stick with gas car.

stupid test, every normal intelligent person pre heat their cars in winter. Everyone knows that a ICE car have around 30% efficiency, so heating up the interior is just done by losses (heat) from the engine. An EV engine is so efficient, so it need to use the battery to heat up the same area. That's why pre heat are a neccesity in cold weather. If not able to have a outlet where you live, then you probably not buy an EV never the less.

On tires that don't belong and a performance model where range isn't the focus.😅

You have to remember, that's due to 100 percent highway driving, not all of it was due to the cold. Course ICE cars do better on the highway because they don't stop and go.

Just keep in mind that the 279 miles estimated at 96% is already a bit inflated based on Tesla's EPA testing methodology. Realistically, it probably only lost 30-35% due to the weather and conditions.

@@sprockkets Remember that driving half the speed means running the HVAC and heated seats twice as long.

It did pretty well given the horrible road conditions.

Prove that statement with a video, R2-D2 Raj

As a Canadian I can vouch for the Cross Climates having run them on my other vehicle. They are decent tires in winter conditions, and All-Weather doesn't equal All-Season. That being said, I'm currently running X-Ice Snows on my EV6.

my cousin's Model x in Norway stopped charging in the ocld too :S; had to be towed?

Not everyone needs real winter tyre crap.

Do yourself a favor by starting educating yourself on tires. New gen of all weather tires are real.

It's not a concern for anyone who's looked into it. Most people don't know what uses electricity or how much it uses.

I agree. Unfortunately the increasingly efficient Minnesota snowplow crews have reduced my excuse for being late to work from 3 days to 1. I call whatever that stuff they put on the road "magic dust" because the roads are magically dry a day after the snow stops.

Who would want to live in Minnesota

Heat pump will run for 24 hours or more on 50% battery

​@@Plisken65And then battery discharged enough to not make it to charging station? Or stuck by side of road?​ When I run out if gas, a gas can from nearby station and on my way agian.

​@@slotcarfanwhen is the last time you ran out of gas?

@@ianrobertson3419 I ran out of gas once about 40 years ago and I didn't like it and strangely it hasn't happened since.

Deadly? Every time there is cold like this, some ICE cars break down as well. Do people die? No. They call a tow truck. Good grief.

Au contraire, mon amie… most people drive 40-50 miles or less every day. For most people who can charge at home, BEVs are the perfect car regardless of air temperature for typical daily driving. For me, BEV for local driving and PHEV for driving beyond home-charging range. Most households have two or more cars today

re: "In a cold weather area, you would be beyond insane to get an EV as your primary car". well yes for that is indeed the issue, these people ARE INSANE...!!! while we often make these statements rhetorically, however since most have no working knowledge of Psychology and Mental Health, the possibility that this might be the answer NEVER crosses our mind.

@@phillyphil1513 Most people that I know who own BEVs don't road-trip in them. They only charge at home. Not going to a gas station? priceless... Keeping a gas car in such a situation, where you never need to drive more than 100 miles a day? Insane, if you can charge at home.

No problem in AK, you just plug it in at night!

Considering Tesla is facing a class action lawsuit over false range claims I'm going to guess it's nowhere even close to advertised range even in warm weather.

I have nearly the exact same car. In perfect conditions, going 70MPH with minimal HVAC, you can expect around 260-285 miles of Range. As conditions worsen or speed increases, this will begin to drop. The EPA rating is a Perfect Conditions in a 30-60MPH with very gradual accel/decel. It's perfectly achievable, but not at highway speeds. If you're going 20MPH to 50MPH only in perfect conditions, you can beat EPA. That all be saying, I don't like how they promote range and how they use it to measure battery capacity. I always switch to % instead. If you want an accurate range, you go into the consumption menu and you can get a remaining range guess based on usage over 5, 15, or 30 miles.

@@glamdring0007 As a Tesla model 3 owner, with over 80,000 kms on it. I can verify the range accuracy in warmer weather! But I don't understand why people were duped about the range in extreme heat, or cold..!? Tesla is very upfront about it...

@@JamesKirk1988 Many, MANY thanks for this! It is extremely useful for planning purposes. Since there have been all kinds of "indicated" mileages, do you know what EPA mileage Tesla indicated you should expect?

In an ICE, heat is waste energy, so you don’t lose range to heat the cabin. In an EV, air is heated using energy from the battery. So for people who want the most range, you don’t wanna run the heat on max.

@@lupe2947 You do wanna run your heat on max you just can’t because you won’t get where you’re going. No one that lives in a cold climate is giving up their heat to drive an EV.

@@michaelmaas5544 I literally said “For people who want the most range”. I mean, I couldn’t have been any more clear.

Notice he never took his winter jacket off.

​@@lupe2947dumb question but does EV run a coolant thru the battery and heat exchanger like gas cars do to manage battery temp?

i have had those tires on my subaru outback for 42,000 miles and 2 years 3 weeks i am one of the guys who checks my mileage quite often its one of my crazy quirks but I cant honestly say Ive seen more then a 1 mile per gallon recuction in gas mileage but I do love those tires especially and rain and snow great traction

@@robertthomson9340 I have a heavier suv (Q5) the weight (4500lbs) might compound the difference. I’ve noticed a 1.5 to 2 mpg drop. It is a great tire for any inclement weather.

EV6 GT, I am losing about 7.5% range vs PSAS4's.

I’ve found that if able with your car, moving to a smaller wheel diameter with narrower, higher profile tire often results in lower overall wheel/tire weight which offsets higher rolling resistance of winter tires to a large degree. You have extra cost of the wheels of course, but I keep my vehicles a long time and ease and reduced cost of just swapping the sets each season vs. remounting and balancing tires twice a year makes up for it. And you get slightly better traction than with stock sized winter tires.

When a balmy -7 after -37 and -35 F lows, I decided to try a supply run into town from this remote farm. 2002 GMC Envoy w/340,000 miles (no tank heater; on the list). She turned over and had to work through a few LOW OIL PRESSURE STOP ENGINE! issues once oil got out of the taffy stage then all good. No way would I trust EVs in these vast, hostile landscapes as failure could be death.

​​@CoalCreekCroft no way I'd trust a GMC!😂

​@@CoalCreekCroft This is the main issue in remote locales, its not annoying its potentially life threatening

@@wraith8323 Yes, that's for sure. Each grocery run reminds me again of just ... how ... much ... raw distance there is around. yeah, some scattered ranches/farms near roads but pick the wrong day and good luck unless you're towing a spare car. I didn't look but may have been comment on landscape between Ashland and Broadus; plenty of open, rolling vistas to the horizon. In October I pulled a "top fear" by crashing; ice slide-off almost in the middle of it (mile or 2 E of Sonnette Rd junction). Enough cell signal for 911 to be unable to hear before gone altogether. REALLY good views of the horizon-to, etc. Double Uh-Oh as it was a critical cat "rush to vet" (perfect timing but I digress). I had also raced out w/o cutting the Gandalf wannabe beard experiment with questionable fashions; not the best to flag down people. THAT all ended up okay (even the cat) thanks to fortune and timing nobody could expect. I type too fast and too much already. EV owners MUST have, duh, charger maps but if any came up here THINKING there must be, they'd be dead in the water. IF they made it between stations that don't exist. I'm new to area; was prepared but still surprised at times. Turned out ZERO tow trucks in my small town (no surprise) OR Broadus (bigger town and county seat as if that mattered). Had to come from Colstrip, near 90 miles one-way. CHARGING stations? Good luck. Manifesto ends.

@@CoalCreekCroft Fellow Edmontonian here, had my ICE truck outside during the cold snap for days, not plugged in either, fired right up.

Those are the usual used tesla market and the reason for the depreciation/lack of buyers.

I think they are running 3-peak severe snow rated "all season" tires. The key is the 3-peak rating. Many all-season tires do not have this rating and it makes a big difference in the snow/ice. When these reviewers mention the tires during winter weather testing, they really need to mention the 3-peak rating.

@@markmonroe7330 I don't know if they do or not I thought I heard them mention the 3 peak rating but regardless the Goodyear Crossclimates are 3 peak rated and really good in the snow vs what most people run where I live.

@@lidolf8168Crossclimate 2 is Michelin. I am on my third set. I love them for all driving conditions. They do everything very well.

The Michelin Cross Climates have a good reputation in Europe. In tyre tests against full studless European winter tyres they typically finish in the top third of the table despite being a genuine all season/all weather tyre that is also designed to cope with 90-100 degree summer temps in southern Europe and lots of rain. I don't run them myself, but those folks I know who do have them are generally very happy with the tyre throughout the year.

@@Pesmog Yeah from what I've read they are really good tires. If only I had enough money to buy me some.

Very few people have a heated garage...not sure there would be much value in testing it

@@glamdring0007 True. I meant to imply a normal garage.

Don't need a heated garage, just being plugged in to a 220v power source would have the battery preconditioned for optimal performance. That would make a significant difference in range.

Conservative HVAC would be so far from a real world test and if you can't run the heater in sub zero temps because you're scared you might stall out, that's a problem.

@@donaldbiden9492 True, but that's not what I meant. I mean lowering the temp a couple more degrees, then turning off the heated seats and steering wheel after they warm up. Perfectly reasonable.

Another channel did a towing test. I don't remember which channel, maybe you can find it with a search. Unsurprisingly, the results were dismal

Who the hell is driving 70 MPH in the snow and ice?

@lamontjohnson5810 , I know. I was trying to be nice. Driving fast on those glazed-over tire trails, it's all good until someone drifts or slows unexpectedly, then.....!

I’m Canadian and drive truck for a living I was saying the same thing about 70 mph on pickled ice .. I’m guessing the weight gives you confidence but it won’t stop easily if you need to quickly..

Short trips - always lower the mpg averages. Only true mpg comes from a long drive at consistent speed.

@@johnmcvicker6728 this. Speeding up and slowing down constantly burns excess fuel, same goes for running.

LOL. What if you lost almost half your gas on a full tank than what your manufacturer's MPG rating estimated?

Vs blizzak ws90

Agreed, fantastic tires

​@@Tigerex966 The WS90 is leagues better than the Cross Climate in winter conditions. The CCs are "all weather" tires and the WS90s are true deticated winter tires. The CCs are good for places that get mild winters with minimal/ occasional snow fall, while the Blizzaks are your best choice for regions with real winters (6ft+ annual snow fall and avg temps below 10°F). Here in northern QC, Canada, blizzaks are peoples 1st choice for a reason!

@@EliteSlayer542 Not sure why people always talk about Blizzaks when Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 or X-Ice snow are better winter tires..

@nabushdinosaure xIce has been tested to perform slightly better on ice & cold bare pavement in some tests, and some report the Ws90 to beat it even on ice. Depends on the tests/ review. But all tests show the ws90 to be best in snow. Considering the price difference (nearly 40$ Canadian!), the blizzak is the winner here. Now, previous generations (ws80) had an issue with tread life, but the ws90 corrected it. Only tire that performs better is a Nokian tire im forgetting the name of (hakapalika h3?) but they're impossible to find up here in Canada, so nobody really knows about them.

The Kona is smaller & lighter also. Not know for efficiency. Would be a good test.

I'm not sure why you are challenging to test the Mazda 3... but I can help you figure out what would happen. You go outside, you start the car, you drive it and yiu don't botter about the lost of economy in the cold that is about 6 %.... so it is a, "just like the other days" drive. When you run out of gas, you stop because there is always a gas station ready and near you, , no reservation, no preheating nothing, you fill in 8 minutes, and after you go...and on and.on.. pretty simple right?

And even in Edmonton there are tons of EVs. Crazy.

Maybe they figure since they’re going slower than everyone else, it’s a good idea to have their flashers on so someone won’t run up on them is lower visibility. I agree with that thinking, but even better would be to do that while staying out of the passing lane!

I often wish I had a public address system so I could ask them to state the nature of their emergency?

I daily an ev in northern MN, I don't think I'd ever not have an ev again. I have a 1 ton diesel I use for plowing and hauling equipment though. But if it's -40 in the morning, I'm not taking the truck lol. Because I'm probably not shutting it off until it gets home in that temp. Anything below like -20 and it's a big if for starting.

@@kstorm889 Also live in MN (S.E. area) and have to travel all over the state for work. I only have a Model 3 LR. Sold all my gas vehicles 2 years ago when pandemic prices were out of control. I will say northern MN is a bit iffy since Bemidji is the last supercharger up that way. We're going to Lake of the Woods this weekend and I can't take my car. I could make it to Baudette & Warroad, but there isn't even any lvl 2 charging there unless I call one of the shops or something to see if I can use their welder outlet. I couldn't get back to Bemidji otherwise. I normally carpool with someone else anyway, so not a big deal, but I don't have that option even if I wanted. Even Hibbing is kinda rough to get to when it's really cold, but there are a few lower speed charging options there at least. Of course as more and more charging gets put in, even level 2, range will not be a worry. Hopefully in a handful of years at least every decent size town will have some sort of level 2 charging that I charge during the day or at the hotel overnight.

dont you use a block heater and let your glow plugs warm things up before turning the key?@@kstorm889

Different situation for everyone, but I could never have an EV for my needs

​lets be honest so families can plan, at zero range is 50% at -20 range is 30% so basically no EVs in February in N MN.... Minneapolis literally is as cold as Anchorage so MN needs exemption.. my gran in Falls never can use EV, 33% at best .. . When I drive south I always feel angry to see snowline stop at IA and mud start showing wow Minndakota is different league than rest

What has that got to do with a cold range road test?

​@@bossman6174maybe because it might be safer to park your car outside, making this a real world test.

​@@656hookemhorns Great common sense answer👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

If you look at stats from Norway where they have a high per capita number of EVs, an ICE vehicle is about 3x more likely to have a fire than an EV.