It's not all about Elon, some of us also think their interiors (especially the 3 and Y) feel chincy and hate the minimalist crap that only helps the company.

"Dealerships competing to lower prices" is like when a store sells a $15 shirt for $25, but tells you it was originally $50 so that you think you're getting a discount. If they weren't upcharging, they wouldn't have a business model.

Trick question. Just get a Hyundia Ioniq 5.

I have an Ariya evolve + awd I got a smoking laser deal on. Tesla wasn’t even close! It’s so solid, if you haven’t actually driven one you have no room to comment. There are so many reasons I’d do it again compared to a model y right now.

Just did BZ4X lease for wife. $119 a month using CT EV direct pay to dealer for down payment. We currently have Bolt EUV and this charges faster at all SOC.

Wife and I both leased some Ariya Evolve+ AWD last month. ~2000 down, 250/mo (10k miles/yr) with Colorado tax credit. You can get the Engage much cheaper, but still a pretty nice deal.

I picked up a Solterra touring at the end of last year and I couldn't be happier with it. The reviews from a lot of reviewers are honestly astounding to me - they seem to focus on range and fast charging capabilities, but nothing else. My major issue with that is the vast majority of people won't need the range and won't need to fast charge - I've literally fast charged once since leasing the vehicle, and that was to test a fast charger installed at work, NOT because I needed to do it! What matters to me more are built quality, ride, reliability, ground clearance, performance in deep snow/unploughed roads, ability to get over ice boulders on side streets without hitting the bottom of the car, performance of the AWD system in snowy/icy conditions. Good luck finding a single reviewer that talks about any of those! A test was done comparing various EVs in terms of ability to pull away/stop in snowy conditions. Despite the lowest specs, the Solterra beat out the competition by 2/3 car lengths on each test. That's super relevant if you live in a state/country with bad weather, but I have yet to see that difference mentioned in one single online review (outside of the site that originally conducted the test). Reviewers also seem to ignore that prices between these vehicles are NOT necessarily all in the same ball park. A price comparative model Y would have cost me over $300 more a month at the time that I leased my Solterra. Ioniq 5 was about the same difference. Paying hundreds of dollars a month more for a better L3 charging performance when I literally will never use just doesn't make sense to me, especially when the build quality, ride and snow performance of my Solterra absolutely trounces that of an equivalently priced Tesla. The vast majority of people barely travel 50 miles a day, let alone 200+. Sure, from time to time you might take a major road trip and go further afield. But for most people that's just not a frequent thing, if ever. I think most EV reviewers as astoundingly out of touch with the driving habits of the average person. bZ4x, Solterra and Ariya are all very good vehicles. They might not work for some people, who drive very long distances frequently and need to fast charge, but that is a tiny minority of people. My wife and I are currently down to a single vehicle as hers recently got hit by another car and is in the shop, and even though we share the car, we are still able to get by perfectly well on home charging alone. No range anxiety, no danger of running out of juice when out and about, just a fun time driving in a very comfortable, quiet ride.

Tommy is a great salesperson. After watching his videos, I think, "Man, I got to get one of those."

get the Nissan if you must pick between these two. but there are much better options than both

There was recently an article about the least expensive EV’s. It found that the Ariya was selling on average about 30% below MSRP. So a ~$51k Ariya is getting off the lot for closer to $40k. That’s a crazy good deal.

I think leasing makes way more sense right now. You get the $7500 tax credit because leases are considered commercial for whatever reason. That pretty much covers the lease payments for the 3 years.

Still enjoying my purchase of a new 2023 Bolt EUV in Colorado for $14,000. No mileage limit, Apple CarPlay, physical buttons, 250/260 mile range, heated front seats and steering wheel. Slow fast charging, but my main commutes are less than 60 miles per day.

The aryia is slick

Between these two the Ariya is the clear winner. Consistent flat charging curve, nice interior with gauges you can actually see, hands free expressway driving with ProPilot 2.0, and (subjectively) better looking

Leasing the Toyota for $129 in my area is pretty appealing. I already have an EV with actual fast charging.

Just leased a fed bz4x and could not be happier with it.

Very eye opening, definitely an option for around town use, thanks Tommy

I agree Tommy. But props to the detail guy on the Nissan! That paint looks amazing.

You guys are getting really good at your one. Take videos, Tommy, and Alex.🎉🎉❤❤

Nice video. I hate when they talk about how cheap these vehicles can be, but then show the top-of-the-line trims. Be consistent. Either show the lower-specced vehicles, or talk about the higher prices charged for the top-of-the-line trims.

Aryia evolve plus awd has a consistent range of 326 and it’s a nice driving vehicle. Nice driving and zero to 60 mph in 4.8 this vehicle drives and rides very well for my better half. The lease deals are excellent and it’s very attractive in pearl white.

Thank you, they are great for what they are. They aren't the best at road trips but they're so much better built than Teslas. I have heard of Model 3 seats falling apart within the first 3 years/50,000kms. I got an amazing deal on a Subaru Solterra. I love it, it feeds my driving needs and with all of Toyota's experience with Hybrids I expect to have it for the next 20+ years.

I think people underestimate the value of having a local dealer. A problem is more likely to be resolved by staff who actually have to face the customer.

Local dealer has the Ariya engage lease for $199 a month for month. I’m gonna give it a try as a second car and let my almost 18 year old drive my Subaru Forester. Between the two vehicles I think this is a great option

I took delivery of a 2024 BZ4X XLE model last week. I paid $500 down and the monthly payment is $266. It's a 3-year, 10,000 miles per year lease. Apparently, TM is offering such an incredible deal, most TM dealers are out of BZ4X in CA. TM also offers complimentary DC charging at EVGO for the initial year of ownership. To my understanding, there are no restrictions on the frequency of charging at EVGO stations. Nevertheless, the owner's manual advises against DC charging the BZ4X model more than three times per day. Moreover, EVGO stations are relatively scarce. I've encountered occasional glitches with the UI during Apple CarPlay usage. However, I find the vehicle comfortable, and the one-pedal driving option, despite being a point of contention for some, suits my driving style well, achieving up to 5 miles per kilowatt-hour efficiency. Among minor complaints are the insufficient brightness of the interior LED lights, lack of a glove box, small storage space in the first row, the annoying alarm sound when you are in reverse, subpar resolution of the backup camera, and the lack of illumination on the door lock/unlock buttons at night. Would I buy the car for $48,000 before tax and license? No. For that price, you can get a Blazer EV, a Bolt EV/EUV, a Model 3 refresh, or a Model Y. I am certain the next EV from TM will be vastly improved. The show has just begun for TM.

1:37 : « Ariya in our Area » I loved that. Went to an Auto Show recently, I really liked the Ariya’s interior. I still prefer my 2018 Model 3 but hey, who knows.

@ 6:18 Honestly, cool flat floor but there should be something blocking from anything going towards the accelerator and break pedal, So easy for something to rollover under those and cause a accident.

We leased a 2024 Nissan Ariya Evolve+ AWD for $185/mo for 24 months and $0 down with 10K miles/yr. Great lease deal in Colorado!

The lease is awful with a 5k mile a year limit.

I've had my bZ4X for nearly half a year now, it's an awasome car.

Hell yeah!! I'm paying $365/month with ZERO down for 36 months on my bz4x. It's the price of a dinner with a family of 3 these days. 4WD model rock!! I love it.. charges slower than my Model Y but still get it done overnight. Drives smooth and fast. for the price I paid, just love it! been getting 250 miles on a full charge every time. not sure if it'll be the same during the winter time.

Good review. Things I didn't notice you mention about the Ariya include: * In all but the lowest trim, it comes with an EVSE for home charging too. * The top-down parking view (on Evolve or higher trims) that makes parking super-easy. * The HUD. When choosing an EV, we didn't consider the Model Y to be desirable because of the inferior interior design/feel/build/comfort - those may be soft factors, but that was why we chose our Ariya over not just Tesla but VW, Kia, and Hyundai (Ariya's closest competitors IME - I'd say Ariya is on par with all those on the hard features, but superior on soft but important (and for us, deciding) factors such as interior design, quality, comfort, space, feel. On a 7-hour road trip, what would you rather have - 10-20 minutes less time charging, or all that time in a nicer, better built, more comfortable, more spacious, quieter car?

We have a 2023 bZ4X Limited AWD. City dwellers, rarely drive freeway, charge at home, it's perfect for us. No range issues at all.

Uh oh...musk fanboys are going to be upset. You are only allowed to mention the name to praise or worship.

Ariya all the way. People crap in these EVs, but they are the best value for money.

Here's the crazy part. Most and this applies to more then 85 % of all drivers... do not drive more then 50 miles a day.. let's give that a bump.. to 100 miles a day.. that an average of less then 3,000 miles a month... yet again that's a 100 or less miles a day... so charging is not gonna be an issue ever...

Tommy I watch TFL videos because YOU and several of your colleagues on the channel are solid, good people!! -- Many of my friends and family are conscientious people that care about the environment and where they spend their money. I'm glad you made this video showing the many advantages of these cars as quite honestly none of us want a Tesla!!

Thank you for this video. I have a Solterra and love it for the family car and my daily commute. My son has a Model 3 and IMO the Solterra is much more comfortable for everyday driving.

I've been driving EVs & PHEVs for over a decade and not once have I ever used a DC fast charger other than for novelty purposes. Like most people, I charge at home/destinations, don't drive 200-300mi a day, and don't go on constant road trips. If I want to put 2,000 miles on a car for a road trip, I'll just rent someone else's ICE vehicle!

At the current lease offers out there, these are great cars. Was just quoted $324/month for 10k miles per year on an Ariya Evolve+ eForce - totally reasonable. These two cars only suck if you live in a youtube comment section and not the real world.

In Canada, we can only dream of these lease rates! The Subaru Solterra (bZ4X rebadged) commands over $400 per month...almost four times the amount quoted in the video.....

Was this a charity project or something?

Recent ev adoption has shown us that a lot of folks are living in condo or apartments that do not have any charging options. With the heightened demand on the dc charging options I feel these cars are only worth it for a limited number of people.

I just bought the Nissan Ariya Engage+ AWD for $199/mo with $0 down and 10K miles/yr.

You forgot to say Ariya nissan has 2 glove compartments and also cones with heated seats as the Toyota. The Ariya comes with the cable to plug it in your house outlet 120v. I drove the model yY and didn't like it.

I like the Nissan because it offers the electric doggle to use at home. In my state, I have not seen charging stations anyway except for two at a retirement community. How long do electric car batteries last before they are replaced? Or do they last forever and not have to be replaced? For example, in my internal combustion car, my battery had to be replaced after 4 years. The previous battery I had in my car before the one replaced, lasted 6 years. The average battery life of an internal combustion car is 3 to 5 years.

I really like the interior of the Ariya. A good balance between too minimalist and too busy.

i think the nissan looks better and feels better

For this kind of videos you should bring the actual base models instead of the fully loaded versions. Show the car that has the lease deals you talk about

All the first ID4 3yr leases are coming up just in time for these deals.

Ariya doesnt have 1 pedal driving. It still creeps and only brings you to 10 mph

Nice to see proper reviews. The comments from trolls are a joke 😅

I don't think ppl realize the range of the base Tesla cars arent that great

The Subaru Soltera (which is the same thing as the toyota) has some really low lease offers right now. If you don't need a lot of range, there's a lot of good deals to be had.

Much nicer than my model 3.

Has anybody leased an FWD toyota in Arizona recently how many miles did you get on a 36 month lease ?

I'm leasing a 2024 AWD XLE bZ4X for $230 a month for 36 months, with 2K down. Easy to charge at home and we have a CX-5 for long trips. It's perfect as a second car.

yesterday Grabbed the last bz4x FWD with a couple added features from the show room. msrp $46,500 but was able to haggle $17k off. OTD $31,600 12K miles at 3 Years for $344 a month and only put $1,000 down. I mean I can door dash or uber this thing...

I would go with the Blazer EV.

Ariya is so based but nissan messed up so bad when they didnt add one pedal driving

Please start amortizing all down payments on leases over the term of the lease so that the actual cost of each becomes apparent when you are comparing them ??

I do prefer the Subaru solterra, they just need to improve a little bit the charging curve, I don't want to see it drop below 50kw till after 80% 100 is fine but just don't be dropping into the 30s

Between these 2 choices, I would take the Nissan. Drop the price down 10-15K and it would be a fair deal. I would seek out a Tesla product if you had not showcased its piss poor build quality. Battery and performance in a Tesla 3 is superb. And if all you care about is chewing up tires quietly, by all means. OR stay tuned for the Dodge Charger Daytona EV coming soon. That I got my eye on. ;) If you want superb history of refined quality in your EV. Pick the Mercedes. That I had my eye on until the pre-mentioned DCD was announced.

I wanted to like the bZ4X but the charging situation is utter nonsense. People struggle to hit even 50kW a lot of the time.

"Which EV should you go for if you DON'T want a Tesla - Toyota bZ4-" "The other one."

If the deals are comparable then Ariya is a better vehicle comparable to Lexus RZ450e since this Nissan Ariya is practically an Infiniti. It charges consistently and has a flat curve. However there is a huge mess in Ariya trims: you want some features, you get a trim which has no other features. To have a longer range the trim has to have basic features. One cannot have all features in the same Ariya. If someone will say it is much worse charging than a Hyundai Ioniq5 then the situation becomes different on long trips relying on 400 V (for now) Tesla Superchargers with an adapter then Ariya is going to keep flat 160 kW while Ioniq5 will be forced under 80 kW due to internal conversion to 800 V architecture. Yes, everything is going to change when Tesla V4 will be deployed but it will be a while until it happens.

I’ll take my bolt euv redline over both of these. The Nissan is a close second choice though.

Definitely going with Chevy or Ford if not Tesla.

Too bad these lease deals don't exist in Canada or I'd probably get one

all the talk about a lease... i could never lease. The mileage limits are unrealistic for me. Especially 5k as Tommy stated in the video. I bought a new Elantra Hybrid and in 2 months I am just about to hit 5k miles already.

Before watching - Both of these are valid options for people who don't want a Tesla, but for different reasons. The Nissan offers the "comfortable appliance" appeal of the Camry. This is such a different customer base, I don't even really consider the model y and Nissan competitors. The Toyota is appealing for those who want a conventional car that just so happens to be an EV. Hence the traditional controls. If I had to rank them bZ4X, model y, and Nissan in ascending order. Let's see if TFL agrees

5.000 miles a year I drive 4,000 miles a month.i can't lease this review shows these EV as nice great

Just bought a used bZ4x AWD Executive Bitone 2022 for $47.300. Tesla is cheaper, but didnt want a Model Y

The enthusiasm in this was outstanding. ❤

That Nissan steering wheel has a real noggin on it lmao😂

Is this from the TFLOnion channel? The humor is at so many levels, like let's go to a Toyota dealership for a dealer mark down!

Throw the id4 in there and it will beat those even being several years old

is this a commercial?

Take a shot when you hear lease

The lease company must get the incentives, tax credits and rebates and uses them as the downpayment? Leasing maybe the best way to go. Just in case the market falls out from under these EVs, you will not lose your shirt

Open pore wood? Make it a no-pore plastic.

"Great lease deals on these two" Yeah because NOBODY wants them and dealers just want them off their lot lol. Just get a Tesla

Tommy! bZ4X is NOT excellent vehicle by any means ....

The 5,000 mile a year limit is not good not even a little miles must be 10 k or more a year period.. to be a good lease ... deal

5k mile limit!!! That's a non-starter. I'll stick to my MY

I will wait 5 more years 😏

Bolt. Kia/Hyundai. Fiat. Mini. Anything used. Maybe just keep your used car. Lots better options than ugliness and mediocrity in a shiny new package.

I don't think your audience is that uninformed to choose one of these two over the model y. That would be insane!😂

Even if it weren't for the quality issues the toxic attitude of the Tesla stans would be enough to dissuade me from ever buying one of their products. But leasing is a losing deal, your better off waiting until these hit the used market at a greatly reduced price, then you get the savings no matter what your tax bracket is.

Hard to call out the dealer model as a positive. Also 5k miles a year is a useless number, not worth comparing.

5k miles for a lease is insane. Buy a Civic and it’ll last you longer, used then one of these. Great video guys.

Your Father has way too much of a bad influence on you, You don't have to a joke to review cars.

Toyota has no range for the price.

Is not that they are horrible car, but coming from Nissan and Toyota and put one of the worst charging curves and ranges out there. Now city wise is an ok car but that the extends of it. Hyundai have cars that are good in city but also good when you go on trips.

What is this? Just get a working petrol car and stay away from BEVs.

200 hundre a month for nissan where? I was in nissan it 500

Buy an f150 lighting if you don't want a tesla

Ariya was always overpriced for what it offered. Hopefully Nissan gets the picture and lower the prices.

Get Niro

I like these cars, but he did a terrible job at the beginning selling them. I don't know for sure what he was going for but you don't have to repeat that they are lackluster and not number 1 so many times.