Why Ford's traction control is so bad? without lockers its just an open diff car

Agree 1000%!! The Toyota brand has never been this greedy by these ridiculous prices until this new generation of vehicles… company strategists models change and not always for the good.

Translation - No more Toyota trucks, we are going to put ourselves out of business, everyone invest in Nissan stock because they are about to have their best truck sales in history.

Ah, the infamous TFL "Crunchy" 'Taco"...🤣

Thanks now I don't need to make this comment

Inflation

@@thomas735 that’s interesting because they just completely redesigned the Camry and made it all hybrid and the price barely budged from the outgoing model.

@@Rdrunnersac idk, but everything is more expensive. Count on the other trucks creeping up in price too

​@Rdrunnersac that's because the most popular vehicles, in this case the Tacoma, need to bear the burden of making up for the less popular but necessary vehicles. This is what I've said on a few posts. Go look at Toyota's balance sheet. Their EBITDA % hasn't changed drastically in 15 years. That means pricing is simply keeping up with the changes in the market. If more people would understand how money and business works, they'd stop bitching about pricing as if it's the manufacturers to bear the total blame from.

It's inflation. I just got a Colorado ZR2. It was just under 55k. In 2019 money it would have been more like 46k. That is how less valuable the dollar is today than it was 5 years ago. That Tacoma Off Road likely would be high 30s and that Ranger Raptor would be under 50k if it was 2019. To give perspective, I had a 2019 Colorado Z71. 41k MSRP. I actually paid around 35k for it, but it would have been low 40s in today's money new after discounts, but more likely mid to high 40s these days new.

This! Everybody blaming the government for inflation at the same time that corporations are raking in record profits.

Dealerships adding $10K premium to top it off. My ‘22 taco lease is up next year and although I love the truck, I won’t be hesitating to switch to ford or Chevy when it appears you get more truck for the same or less money. I still think the taco is the best looking though!

@hussharda3511. New TRD pro is more expensive because it has better interior design tech features exterior design comfort off road ability and more. So some parts of the general public like you are idiots Posting rants and bullshit. It's because of people like you why so many hate comment sections of videos These days.

So true. But also Toyota will sell tons of them, so can you really blame them? Hopefully I'm wrong and the market will correct itself a little.

Old pro 55-58. The new will not be 80 plus. your math is is solid as your iq.

Paid shill

That’s what i was thinking. My Ranger has a 30 psi recommended psi to start!

Wondering if anyone else saw that..

Yeah, they "didn't have time to air down"?? Like surely the 5 minutes to air down would be made up for by completing obstacles first try with much better traction. And then he says he would lower to 25-20 psi normally?! For forest roads, sure- but for Moab?! Why would you be any higher than 15?

They shit on everything that's not Toyota, especially this guy... I'm not surprised there's something "wrong" ​@@porkchopdog5249

Finally, someone who's c TFL who they really are. I thought I'd never be able to say this. But these guys are clearly brought in to Toyota is literally paying these guys. Why would you put that much air inside the rapture times they know what the sure is the rapture is better than the taco period there's no comparison, there's nothing in the Victoria to lineup that will compete with the rapture. All you gotta do is look at Australia. Look at everywhere else the taco was running in the Baja and no Toyota Tacoma even made it all the raptures finished.

I agree. I also was pretty disappoint with the ZR2's motor when I test drove it. It was ok, but it wasn't amazing like the paper numbers might suggest. And we saw that confirmed here on TFLTruck where the 2.3L Ecoboost Ranger edged out the Andre's 2.7L HO Trailboss. The 3.0 Ecoboost should be completely dominant performance wise. Even the 2.7L Ranger will be a lot faster than anything else in the segment.

Also the Raptor gets longer suspension arms and adaptive dampers while Toyota decided to cheap out on the most important part of a "Baja" truck.

Well, that video solved the age old question of: ""Crunchy" 'Taco, or soft 'Taco?" once and for all...🤣

"BANG!"...Legendary Toyota Reliability has left the chat...🤣

How many 2024 broken differentials/actuators out of all the thousands sold and 100’s taken off-road on KZfaq are there? I haven’t seen any.

@@lukestoyz Obviously you're not familiar with TFL videos....

Tommy drives with his blinders on when driving a Toyota, to him they can do no wrong.

It just needs the 4/7 pin connectors to be mounted next to the license plate. Did Ford testers never take the Raptor off road on any steep inclines?

LMBO!!! Every vehicle goes through tough rigorous training!! Actually GM vehicles undergo the most rigorous of drivetrain testing! And they have proven it many times on tfl...

​@@philllsxga.7737 GM makes some of the worst vehicles on the market and still needs a gov bailout every 7 years

@@porkchopdog5249 in the last four years yes They are all having issues.. Unfortunately GM is the overall best bet...

@@philllsxga.7737 You must work for gm

Yup. If the screen takes a dump, you're f@cked. Another reason I got a loaded 2024 ZR2.

The screen ain’t taking a dump and if you actually have one like I do, you’ll see you it is more effective on the touchscreen than the buttons that can easily snap off on you’re amazing ZR two- i’m lying the ZR twos are sharp looking trucks but their motors suck. My ranger raptor beat one on the highway by 10 car length I felt bad for him.

Toyota’s mythical reliability is a thing of the past. Their quality has gone ⬇️ while other’s QC has gone ⬆️

Nothing wrong with the Toyota reliability! It will outlast any other truck.

To be fair, it wasn’t the turbo, engine, or tranny. It was one faulty part connected to the differential from one supplier.

They lost 4wd but It wasn’t catastrophic, the truck still drove completely fine. Which they showed in their videos

Yes but Toyota used to have Kaizen production process which they try to fix problems in the assembly line before releasing it to the public

Nevermind affordable. There's no perspective where that looks worth the price, especially against competitors. It is priced like a Lexus but doesn't have much of the hardware it's less expensive competitors offer

$67k for the new Taco TRD Pro Hybrid isn't for sure. What new truck is REALLY affordable?

They wheel with 40psi in the tires, they arent the brightest nerds

@@sapperROSS He explained why in the video.

Paid ad by toyota

Toyota mouth piece bro. He also said that the Tacoma was a 45k truck when they paid 52k

​@andreiionescu205 sure feels like it. Beginning to feel like TFL is just turning into Toyota homers.

Ever think that Toyota is just better and you're blinded by your own bias? Came to that realization years ago and haven't really considered the domestics since.

@duke… How is the new Tacoma better? It has worse payload than the Ranger and same as the others. It has worse off road hardware and tech than a ZR2 or a Ranger Raptor and same as other midsize trucks such as Trailboss or regular Ranger. Not better in daily driving than a Ranger or GM truck and way much more expensive than any similarly equipped domestic midsize. Please, don’t say reliability because you don’t know that yet and last gen had same or more recalls. So how are these new Tacomas better?

For real, comparing the new Raptor to the new TRD Pro or Trail Hunter you'd have to be an idiot to not choose the Raptor

​@ck4391 I've been looking at the trailhunter because I need a 6ft bed and I'm also planning on throwing alu cab canopy camper on it.

The raptor does nothing better then any other truck but go fast in a line. U have to be a ford d rider to think this thing is not ugly and soft. The interior is a joke

@brandonjames740 nothing better? It has a better screen actually set in the dash, better seats , better suspension, Better engine, front locker, actually looks meaner than a tacoma.

@@ragnarok400 you must be rich.

I think Toyota is still coasting on a reputation earned a few decades ago.

Toyota benefited a lot when Ford and Chevrolet taught Ichida Toyoda to make cars in 1936. When Japan lost WWII the Americans pitied them and they supported Japan to make cars and allowed to sell cars in the US.

@@jsagabaenmd This sounds like a whole lot of BS.

LOVE my 2024 ZR2!

Any "off road" trim has a price premium. Hell, the cheapest you can find a new Gladiator Rubicon or Mojave (2024 model) according to autotrader is $50k (God knows if that's accurate or just a dealer throwing every possible discount you could possibly get at it that no consumer would ever actually qualify for). Meanwhile, a Gladiator Sport S with the max tow package (4.10 gears, Rubicon axles, big brake kit - basically a Rubicon without lockers and high clearance fender flares) can be had for $5,000 cheaper. Now, I'm sure the lockers in and of itself are worth $5k but 99% of people will never need that capability so they're paying for features they'll never use and paying for the convenience. Once the aftermarket catches up, you'll be able to buy a SR5 for way cheaper than a TRD Off Road, throw your own locker and shocks in and it'll be just as capable for way less.

@@backwoodstherapy Fair, but the ZR2 is an "off road" trim with front/rear lockers, a lift, oversize tires, and some of the best shocks you can buy, and it's significantly less expensive than Toyota. Ford and Chevy midsize are compelling and I say that having never owned either brand.

The GM twins are still rocking the previous gen underpinning probably why its cheaper

​@@tyh6243they call it the "Toyota Tax" for a reason, I guess.

It's almost like they're trying to push Tacoma buyers to the zr2

Another KZfaqr talked about attending a special Toyota retreat. He said TFL was in attendance also. This was a different meeting than the reveals for the Tacoma, 4Runner, and Land Cruiser. Funny that Tommy makes a point of saying he isn’t being paid by Toyota. Wonder if being invited to these retreats has anything to do with them not saying anything negative about the Tacoma or its huge price increase?

The limited model isn’t even in same class, it’s just a loaded out street driver

Agree … that Raptor is a game changer in the segment.

...for twice as long.

​@@JohnDoe-wy2pyall youtubers are paid to say Nice things about the products they review,but they never admit that

haven't tested the new trd pro yet buddy. don't get excited yet!

Until it breaks down and gets recalled once a month.

@@riverpirate1022Yes that blue ranger in the video already had a broken diff. Not sure about the recall tho.

@@riverpirate1022 Irony is the tacoma truck in this review comparison blew up already with light offroading.

You got the best bang-for-the-buck in this segment. 👍

That part

That's not the full picture. The best way to determine if pricing is about correct is to go back and look at the % EBITDA the manufacturers were turning before compared to now. If EBITDA as a % is close to the same, it means pricing across the lineup is correct.

Your forgetting the massive improvements in the manufacturing processes and tons of upgrades over a 3rd gen Tacoma. You get more, you pay more. Also the price of milk and eggs is not what it used to be.

It comes down to one thing, sales…if you price yourself out of the middle class or if the middle class cannot afford the truck because the price is ridiculous and the loan is sky high, they are not going to sell shit. The upper class don’t buy in volume needed to sustain multiple models, the price so high no one wants to scratch it, and in turn can’t sell it (turnover loyalty sales) because they are underwater on the loan. The economy sucks and going worse…manufacturers are not living in American reality and the government is driving us into a ditch even the best off road truck can never get out of without a 20,000lb winch!

I think the whole tgna-f platform is going to be a case study on how to lose customers. The 2024 Tacoma for example had supply issues, now they are rotting on the lot...the prices, efficiency and capabilities are all very disappointing. They look cool, but nobody wanted a complicated, expensive, smaller backseat, less fuel range truck.

@tommyistommy not sure where you're getting the "rotting on the lot" idea. Maybe some small Toyota dealer in BFE, but I live in TX, and they are selling just fine. The problem is these dealerships are trying to sell them above INVOICE or above MSRP. Most large volume dealerships will sell you a truck at invoice and that's the ticket.

Nah, let the trail itself "relocate" it for you!🤣 Yeah, totally stupid placement for it, like on the Tacoma. My 2024 ZR2 has it right next to the license plate. Easy to get to, and safe from trail damage.

That has to be due to it being developed in Australia, and if I'm not mistaken, I think their license plates are longer, which i think is why the wiring wasn't built into the bumper.

I dont think those ceos are responsible for inflation and epa imposing restrictions to engine sizes and emissions

You fail to realize $80k today is approximately $60k from 8 years ago. They are simply keeping up with inflation!

we are not idiots just work harder..am sure my grandfather will be mad of the prices too

@@beexiong2995 Well you want to have clean air for your children to breathe and clean water for your kids to drink right.

@@Bosha92 They cost that much because there's people that are stupid enough to pay that price because everybody has lots of money because the economy's so d*** good.

Yes your Absolutely.Correct.If we notice he's finding all things to complain about the rapture, which is he's not a true off roader, the raptor will pass all of these tests.But they intentionally try to do things and try to make it seem to be so old.That's a little problem bias

100% and I'm a Ford guy. The only knock on the zr2 vs a Raptor is motor but the Chevy will be better everywhere but Baja style driving

Horsepower isn't everything I'm gonna guess a ranger raptor stock vs a zr2 stock is quite a bit heavier with all that rear end witchcraft probably around 400lbs

Rolling the dice with reliability though

Plus it comes with crap transmissions for FREE think of all the time you can spend at the dealership eating old donuts and drinking lousy coffee

Yeah but it’s a Chevy. I’d pay premium for Toyota if it lasts longer.

That has to be due to it being developed in Australia, and if I'm not mistaken, I think their license plates are longer, which i think is why the wiring wasn't built into the bumper.

@@TJY2Kthat’s a really good point. An aftermarket bar can fix that or cutting the stock one. I did that for my Xterra and set the plugs into the metal bumper. Also added some lights to it.

Quite a few journalists have already said Raptor is level above the TRD Pro. 65k starting price TRD Pro makes the RAM RHO seem like a bargain

Ranger interior is a major loss compared to new Tacoma. Standard features are not close Tacoma has no package on top trip everything standard.

​@@ph00ny1lol good luck finding a ram RHO at "base price" if you read the article nothing is standard it's a part of a package. So with any options it's going to be at least 80-90k

@@Mycameron2323 I'm well aware of base price and the lv1 options package which adds a boatload of items for just under 10k. If it's not a limited number vehicle as said in many of the RHO videos, you can simply order one and wait. Base features list based on the order guide is pretty full featured to boot

@@Mycameron2323 you make no sense here. Of course top trims include all options, etc. The only thing a Pro has over the raptor is ventilated seats and sunroof, all for ~$8K more! Pro has less performance in a what is essentially a 2 door truck. Interior aesthetic is subjective anyways, most guys don't buy a truck for an interior.

The TRD pro shouldn't even be in the mix.

I've got 2 toyotas in the driveway. I'm just being honest GMC Ford and Chevrolet Dominate Toyota in mid-size trucks.

with the price of the TRD PRO, they better include the ZR2 Bison. A loaded Bison is priced close to a Pro. WTF.

@@triggerjerk01 Well said.

All the vehicles that you mentioned are junk. I would rather just drive a pinto.

That’s exactly the point here, they don’t want u being too honest and having an opinion like that, most of these KZfaqrs and journalist can’t say all those things otherwise it would affect their future invitations to Toyota events and press releases…

Well if Criticize negative comments mostly like @Toyota won't invite for future events forsure they're caught between a rock🪨 & hard place😵😵 dirty Toyota

Attending retreats is pretty common. Toyota is accommodating them by visiting moab and driving their vehicles

@@steven2723 apparently there are different levels of retreats. The one I am referring too wasn’t a new vehicle reveal.

​@@JohnDoe-wy2py stop accusing people of things just because you don't agree or like what they are say. New Tacoma is a bloody excellent class leading mid size truck and even car and driver ranked the both hybrid plus STD turbo version as number one/two. People like you John honestly disgust me🤮

Back seat of last gen Taco was still not very accommodating.

underrated comment

The benmark is the sales leader in the segment usually

@thomas735• Toyota has to prove nothing at all to anyone. Because Toyota has no issue building ultra reliable hybrid vehicles and turbos. Frontier is the Worst mid size truck in it's class from all levels.

@@Sam-mx3cj how is the frontier the worst?

@@JokerG16 outdated interior design exterior design comfort tech features and lack of TRIM levels plus many more reasons. Only truck it's better than is the gladiator.

They can't do that. The last time they tested a TRD vs a Tremor the TRD and Gladiator both looked pathetic.

More to come!

Yup. EXACTLY why I just picked up a 2024 loaded w/moonroof ZR2....and took it to Moab for 3 days 2 weekends ago. LOVE it!

it's been Ranger Raptor > Hilux for years now...

For sure I think a lot of people are wrongly snubbing the FX4 pak while looking at Tremor and Raptor. ARB air locker kits are available front and rear. It's a no-brainer.

Their basic premise is to test vehicles as they are from the factory. Anyone can modify a vehicle to make it better.

They took the chin spoiler off, they can take off those eye sores

42 psi was a big part of the problem .

I wonder if you really go offroad even once. Or just sitting in a slow as f toyota v8 getting overtaken by bicycles on the way to the shopping mall.😅

lol...never heard a falser statement in my life. Hell, why don't we just stay home and watch it on video?

Isn’t that what you’re off roading for? To have fun in your vehicle. Why wouldn’t it do everything g for you?

@@Getusom Off-roading isn't a "task" or "job" that systems can make the burden easier or remove like the towing apps. Off-roading is about challenging your ability to control the throttle, to choose the right line, to know when to brake, when "give'it to her", when to winch, etc.

Exactly that's bitch as shit for people who don't know how to drive.

Very fun.

Agree but first thing you hear is “it’s Toyota reliability and will last you 20 years” even thoo most of those same people switch their car every 3-5 years.

So ture I agree one hundred percent

You're right (although I think the 4th gen is a great looking truck). The Tacoma is "old reliable" and has MASSIVE support from the aftermarket which can't be understated. But I think that will start to change... The competition has caught up.

New turbos are awesome. Yeah 80s Saab turbo sucked, but so did most engines in the 80s, I have a Ranger turbo with 70k miles with zero issues. I live in the North Wind River Range in Wyoming and drive at elevation daily. The turbo is so much better at altitude. I will personally never ever go back to NA engines.

@@danielrn133agreed. So many people are shitting on turbo engines and I don’t get it. They clearly haven’t tried them vs anemic v6’s. My last few vehicles all had turbos…0 issues

​@@danielrn133 you are right.

You obviously have no clue what you are saying

I imagine you will scrape unless you bypass things or are super, super careful with your lines. I ran it with a solid axle swapped 1995 4Runner on 37's and still dragged my rear bumper here and there. If I remember right, that bumper was almost 34" off the ground.

SINGLE turbo 4cylinder.