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Absolutely!!!! Been following these guys for YEARS!!!! unbiased!!!!! is the best!!! They say here is the data and videos and our thoughts, you make decision!! LOOL! Great job guys!!

8:13 it didn't have the lift and tires when they performed the fuel economy test. However, it's also hard to tell what the drive was like for them. If they were climbing a slight slope or not, as that would affect their overall results. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Agree. Bigger, heavier tires and wheels, they loaded it up with extra equipment and increased the wind resistance with the bar and lights too. All can decrease fuel economy.

It also depends on the dealership you go to… I’ve had small issues with some of my Chrysler products and at one point had to go through three dealerships but the third one was wonderful and took care of the problem without any bitching at all. The other two dealerships were ridiculous, And come to find out the problem I was having with the transmission was actually caused by the first dealership and the third dealership went to bat for me when I filed a claim with Chrysler themselves!

Nicholas Livoti for real! I had a terrible time with RAM when I had my 2018 big horn they tried to scam me so much when I had warranty claims. It’s literally the number one reason why I will never drive a RAM ever again. I traded my big horn for a Chevy trail boss and I’ve had zero issues with it and Chevy services.

Well to me that drive shaft should never have snapped. It's just a straight shot from the TC to the Diff, neither of which move on an IFS. The CV should have gone first, so that shaft giving out is very suspect to me of bad design or manufacture.

Yes...... offroad vehicle abuse is not usually covered. Especially with a lift and oversized tires. They could easily deny, and prove, that the damage was a result of the strain caused by suspension geometry and oversized tires the truck was not designed for .... lol....

Pretty sure the dealership knows these guys and don’t want a bad rap. But I agree with everyone , most dealers would say it’s cause it’s modified.

You could get it done with the right amount of bitching to the right place.

@@Mark-wq1nh True, but it would take a lot of bitching. It's a Dodge after all, not a Lexus.

That was my exact thought. Over sized tires, I'm sorry your warrantee in now void.

Replaced under warranty? Here's been my experience at Ram for warranty repairs. Dealer " Sir your transfer cases blown "...Me "OK I still have a lot of warranty left ". Dealer " Unfortunately that pine tree air freshener hanging from your re mirror Voids your warranty"

Yes they would

Mpg will always lower with bigger tires.. and if they do a lift. Even more so.. thats a given

Brad Hankin Andre the Russian mechanic

Brad Hankin I think he speaks a mild hybrid version of it :)

LOL!

I would like to know the first video he stopped not being the "Russian mechanic" with that awesome hat & went to this.

I was just thinking that !! Lol

I highly doubt your assumption. I feel that a stress fracture was the culprit.

It could have been the stress fracture was there and that's where it gave. But that rock definitely got jammed in there.

lol it totally was their fault. Also a weak driveshaft design.

@@JD-ys7fj I wouldn't say a weak driveshaft design. Driveshafts and cv-axles are designed intentionally to be weaker than the differentials and transfer case to preserve them. Would you rather be replacing a driveshaft/CV or those other much more expensive parts???

@@jardog16981 No, the Ujoints are the weakest link, and should ALWAYS fail before a driveshaft. A new ujoint is $20 and 30 minutes to install.

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Thats ok, toyotas crawl control sounds like 13 tiny elves are beating at all different parts of your truck with hammers.

Pretty sure that Toyota crawl control is made from broken washing machines

@@josephwhiskeybeale 😂😂😂

Joseph Whiskey Beale still just a Dodge.

Well it should keep kicking butt, damn thing is new.

@@redpilledpatriot8484 My Rebel continues to kick butt as well

3,600 miles & one year later my dually is still amazing too. 😂

I have this truck also no problems at all... Best truck i've ever had. give me any truck i''ll break on the same rock hill, pedal to the medal .

Word

My f150 is worse. I'd take that ram one in a heart beat

The "engineer" that designed the oil filter location on my 2012 RAM needs an ass whoopin'

Did I really see that correctly....WTF.

There is nothing wrong with it.

Alexander Besliu-Surkic yup lol... the rest of us commoners would have been told to F off lol.

@@greenpickle9606 big time! :)

Alexander Besliu-Surkic thats why I put limited value in much of what they say on this channel. They get a lot stuff given to them.

Or a great dealership

@@MattSmith-vl8zp extraordinary dealership with some familiy members in charge!

I'm very lucky when I went out my first time my group made sure I learned that you shouldn't be gunning it like that to get over an obstacle. With my open difs it was hard but I'm glad I learned the proper driving methods now before my bad techniques screwed me over

Errhka makes all the difference 👍🏼

Yeah Roman gunned so it much he picked up a big rock and literally wedged it between the front tire and the fender well.

Must be an American car thing??? Because my manual 4x4 tacoma in 4lo i beat the shit out of and never in 300k+ miles did anything break..

Yes this is how stuffs break but what other full size truck have they broken the axel on ? On Cliffhanger 2.0

@Rich Allen It's been given the "go ahead"!

@Rich Allen I believe in 2021.

@Dustin Chappellok there.

That's very shocking as rams warranty department is horrendous.

They probably played the youtube card..

They only honored the warranty bc they’d put it on the channel is they didn’t & make them look bad. For me & you we would’ve been shown the door.

@@elliottbran I agree, they probably initially said no to warrantying that but I'm sure TFL said oh well we will post it on KZfaq that you didn't fix the truck that we bashed to hell on purpose and tell everyone how horrible your product is. 100% what they did. Being rich and having a KZfaq channel gets you whatever you want anymore.

All warranty companies are difficult to deal with. They don’t make money if they do free work. They love to tell you it’s a software issue.

Johnny Bliss you’re right, it seems stock when the MPG test was done. But still good MPG considering elevation. I used to live in Denver and I had JK sahara by then, the elevation plus the cold weather made the consumption dropped ~2MPG.

I have a 2020 rebel and just drove 500 miles highway in California and got 17.5 mpg too. Mostly flat down the 5

I think the 392 gears make a big difference too

According to the sticker, the 392's don't hurt it. But........I have 392 gears in my Big Horn and it has never hit the EPA estimate, unless I drive 45mph with a tail wind.I'm pretty sure the numbers are reflective of lower elevation and really clean high octane gas.

Mpg testing is done at sea level in laboratory conditions so there mileages were real world you almost never get advertised mileage in the real world even at sea level none of my vehicles do

Lucky you. I’ve owned a 2018 rebel and decided to go with a tundra instead. POS truck started to have some serious electrical issues, excessive oil consumption, and I never abused it by any means.

@@johnappleseed9290 no longer have the truck. Something ground out under the dash and caught fire. Rocking a 2015 ram 2500 now.

Hey man, you still have your Rebel? Looking to buy one with about 75k miles. Still happy with it?

@@jasdtaylornever mind… didn’t see the update…🤦‍♂️

@@NoIssac yeah it was a big bummer. I probably wouldn’t have it still though because we’ve moved to another state, have property, lots of projects and will eventually have animals so I now have a 2017 ram 2500 diesel for the towing. Might get a rebel 2500 diesel though depending on what ram releases later this month for a new vehicle.

Hey what issues have u had? I have a 2016 f150 and it hasn't been in the shop once.

Lucas Harris 4wd hub vacuum issues @3k miles, several electronics issues (usb hubs replaced, trailer harness water intrusion, reverse sensors replaced), and dealer verified just yesterday it has the cold start engine rattle- vct/ timing chain problem. What is most frustrating is that every time it has a problem its 2 weeks to get into dealer, then the parts are always unavailable/backordered, so its another month before anything is fixed. The current engine problem is awaiting the actual tsb from Ford to be released, per dealer there are no parts currently- “check back in January”. That repair according to dealer will likely be replacing the vct units, and if it wasnt in warranty would be approx. $4200. Less than 2 years and 35k miles and i think its been 10 dealer visits for diagnose and repair so far which is unacceptable in my opinion. Also the undercarriage of the truck is rusting terribly, the rear diff looks like its 10 years old- I see this on alot of 2018 and newer trucks when sitting behind them in traffic (can tell year by stamped tailgate). Other various quality issues including tailgate handle sticking, dash hump, warped glove box etc... This is my first ford, I love the 3.5 ecoboost power and mpg, but with these issues it will be my last.

@@adamharriger5193 Wow! That's crazy man! Sorry to hear u got a lemon...

Back in 2014.... wasn't that during ww2??

@@96thundercat No. But it was ( is ) in the Fiat timeline!

Most, wait I think all 1/2 tons are IFS now, those suspensions are trash when it comes to actually using a truck as a truck, and for what they were doing in the episode where they blew that CV joint in that drive shaft isn't anything close to heavy offroading...that CV joint is trash, they need to put some HD shafts in that thing if they want to pretend its an offroad truck...but then again the automakers figure most people today buying trucks like this turn them into mall crawlers LOL.

NO

Jason Quaile that’s because these guys have a huge KZfaq channel. Ram would look bad if they didn’t replace it

They used all Mopar

@@michaelmurphy5221 good point

@Jappy Time You mean the guy that can only speak if his hands are moving? He is in love with an 80’s Corolla. Let me go ask him for wisdom

122k miles on my 2014 Ram 4x4, runs just fine considering how hard a drive it everyday

12.5 mpg, bummer!! My 2019 XLT Crew Cab 3.5 Ecoboost FX4 Max Tow ......I'm at 20.1mpg for a weekly average with mixed driving going back and forth to work. My best has been 23.4 on a 230 mile trip to the cabin. I couldn't be happier. Did you get anything close to 20 before you lifted it?

Depending on the year they have carbon build up issues that tanks the mpg rating.

Ouch

If you idle a lot that doesnt help, or all city driving.

Dang that's what my 2012 Raptor gets

Congrats!

Congrats!

Gobble gobble

The mileage will not be accurate. Changing tire size REALLY tells the computer that you went less miles than you actually went. Other changes like exhaust and intake can also change the MPG.

2big 2fail I have a fuel economy test video I did last year on the 2019 Ram Rebel, did 21 mpgs without the E-torque!

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@@nobunaga-oda Mopar or NoCar

@@paulj9821 😁👍🏻

Karen Turk MPG been decent for you?

I don't look at it.

But do you have 35's on it?

JaBron Prob has the factory stock 14” tires on it

The did fuel economy testing when the truck was stock, before the modifications.

I have owned a lot of rams. 3 new 3 used. 1 eco. My current ride is 2016 rebel. Very nice looking inside and out. But that’s it. Constant shit with the 2016. Mechanical. And now the hemi tick. FAC screwed me hard on the air suspension. I’m going to buy a Toyota. And I could not care less if it eats some gas. It’s a truck. Just want I get back to enjoying my rude. I hate this rebel

@@mikestronach4762 What kind of gas do you run? They recommend 89 octane and also try a different oil which may help with the hemi tick

I've had many issues with my longhorn, but it still hasn't left me on the side of the road like my POS f150 did.

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk complete opposite for for me. My F150 was a rock star.

You need to go to a different dealer buddy… Some dealers are great and some dealers absolutely suck! It’s really amazing the difference between service departments because some care and some don’t

Chrysler trucks are trash 🤣

@@madeyalook5942 love the name and pic 😂

@Bearded Clam true that, thanks 👍 I was typing too fast LoL 😆

I blame that overly harsh treatment they where putting it through

Just the start.

It didn't. It broke a drive shaft and left em stranded...

Tell me about it I drive a tundra 😂 that things eats gas.

More like a Ridgeline

Patter Guitsit long term?? I thought it’s a 2019 rebel

@@jlg5798 They had it for a year. Not just a day or a couple hours like most automotive reviews.

Hector Cortes , see the many power wagon videos they have already posted. 👍🏻

We’re waiting for the 3500 non-powerwagon, loaded with 3000lbs in the box and towing a 14000lb bumper pull.

The Rebels start to have serious malfunctions after 125,000 miles. My neighbors 2018 rebel started to have serious transmission issues right at 65k. How many miles do you have it now? If you still own it lol

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Unless it's a celica, everything is a money pit to scotty

Scotty says: my dumb brain is an endless money pit

The universe says “Scotty Kilmer is the biggest loudmouth hack on KZfaq “

Scotty will say anything just to get more video views.

@@TFLtruck I was joking, I own a Dodge 5.7l truck 😁

The dealer has done a number of repairs for TFL that no other customer would experience. Their dealer knows who they are - happy for them, sad for us normal shoppers.

@@rkalla yea your probably right. Especially if they have a bad experience and do a report. However given the circumstances. I wouldn't fault the dealer either...

@@craigquann true but for us "real" consumers it skews this review... as replacing the drive shaft would have cost a pretty penny. I still like the truck though!

That's where the show is inaccurate, biased dealers. Truth be told you have about right under a 50% chance of you getting anything fixed by the corporate pos dealerships.

@@SimplyCarReviews yea. But vast majority of buyers wont be doing cliffhanger 2.0 either.....lol. however I'm not the vast majority... so yea I don't/wouldn't expect coverage.... tho my GM dealer does honor my lifetime undercoating/respray warranty for the rust proofing even tho I scuff it off every summer.....and have gotten zero flack for my leveling kit, or intake or oil catch can install... so I guess it depends.

Mago Rose the rock got wedged and the tire couldn’t spin, all the power going to a tire that can’t release it will cause breakage...

@Jessi Louis Naw this is just poor offroading driver skills. I've taken a stock z71 colorado multiple times through the mountains of colorado never had an issue.

ghosteye007 agreed, Roman has got to be one of the worst off road drivers I’ve seen, never takes responsibility for poor driving lines, zero finesse 😐 the other guys really carry the channel

Most likely got them for free.

I doubt they paid for them. It was all advertising for the companies that provided them.

They got robbed when they bought it, dodge garbage.

Mopar accessories = 2× the price of aftermarket

@@chadsteele1 lol yeah says the guy with a chevy... we all know you're racist now

TFL has accidentally made the Tiguan look like the most bad ass suv ever created.

JL G by looking at all the problems this truck had after only one year and 20k, in 7 years the truck belongs to a junk yard.

@@Sugar_bug Didn't have many problems.

@@uncle_salty_3675 Sounds like we know who the fanboi here is making excuses for RAM's notorious reputation for poor quality products.

@@todda8695 as the other dude said, all of those things would easily contribute to a vehicle breaking. And I am not a fanboy, I'm a HUMMER guy.