That Pedal Show - Buffers, True Bypass & Unimaginable Excitement

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That Pedal Show - Buffers, True Bypass & Unimaginable Excitement

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8 жыл бұрын

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Okay, so we lied about the Unimaginable Excitement part. It's largely pretty dull. Except when you have the buffer engaged, and then it can get really glassy...
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In this episode, Daniel and Mick offer some discussion and practical advice on buffers, including answers to the following questions.
-What is a buffer?
-Where might you use one?
-Where should you avoid them?
-How does this all relate to true bypass pedals?
-What the hell is true bypass anyway?
-Can cables really change your tone?
If your life is too short for grown men waffling on about effects pedals, you might prefer to skip to the following sections...
Buffer On & Off Sound Examples
08.45 - 09.28
10.12 - 10.42
13.19 - 25.30
24.22 - 25.30
What Is True Bypass?
15.14 - 20.15
Where To Put Your Buffer?
20.18 - 21.57
Some Condensed Practical Conclusions
23.03 - 24.00
Buffers with Germanium Transistors
24.08 -
And that's it! It's a lot more interesting than you thought, right?
Mick is playing a Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster into a Two Rock Studio Pro 35.
You also hear a Wampler Dual Fusion and an Analogman Beano Boost.
The buffer is integral to one of the outputs of TheGigRig Humdinger and we're switching things with a QMX 2 by TheGigRig.
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@evanreid4269 8 жыл бұрын

I love how much I learn from these videos!

@petergraham9267 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing for 40+ years.......and wasted SO much money on stuff I didn’t need to solve problems I didn’t understand.......these boys have solved most of them in just a few videos! Top job gentlemen! 😎👍

@NoOne-ye5jf 8 жыл бұрын

You guys should do an episode on attenuators :)

@boozoochavis7506 6 жыл бұрын

Cables make a HUGE difference - case in point, I got a large box of used cables from a friend who owned a music store, we went through all the cables to see whether they were working or not and were absolutely amazed at how different each cable sounded on their own straight through an amp - lesson learned!! All the pieces of the signal chain matter, the sum is much greater than the parts.

@arjunabeuger 8 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy this channel exists! Even though I am not really a technical guy I managed to improve my pedalboard and therefore sound a whole lot. Dan explains it all in a way which makes everything so much easier to understand. Thanks guys!

@simon_patterson 3 жыл бұрын

This was exactly the explanation I was looking for. Very well explained, and very useful. Thank you!

@SundayBackNine 6 жыл бұрын

Buffers with Germanium Transistors 24.08 - It was so helpful for me! I had been wondering why my fuzzface was so glassy in my board for a long time. Thank you so much for this topics guys!

@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын

No worries sir! In fact, we’re about to do a new show on Germanium fuzzes and boosts and wah wahs... should be interesting too. :0)

@DavidDyte1969 8 жыл бұрын

The struggle to make physics easy is so real. Very nicely done.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks David :)

@tomquayleguitar 8 жыл бұрын

Yay! Awesome to see you back, Daniel! Hope you're fully recovered. Great episode as usual - I recognise that Dual Fusion! ;-)

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Oh man, that's a special pedal :)

@billpholde4816 Жыл бұрын

Took a while but Dan answered all my questions about buffers. A.) They don't do anything. B.) Get a cool-looking coily cable. Yay! Simplicity.

@stefanwessel6092 3 жыл бұрын

What a great episode. I'd love to see the same for bass guitarists! So much useful info!

@calebclements362 6 жыл бұрын

The Pete Cornish buffer is fantastic. Pete also has a quite interesting article on his website making the case against True Bypass. But as you say, it certainly comes down to what sounds good to your ears. Thanks for a great video!

@craigmachen 6 жыл бұрын

I have absolutely no idea what any of this means, but I absolutely love that someone does and cares so much about it. This is a great video, even though I could only comprehend so much.

@cameronwhite9959 6 жыл бұрын

Buffers are also useful for fixing impedance mismatching with piezo pickups (and you don’t have an onboard preamp), in that case it gets rid of the quack on an upright bass. (Side note: I only recently realised that when we played as ‘Banjovi’ and plugged our banjos with piezos into Boss Distortion pedals, we were essentially self-medicating impedance mismatches).

@BlairWhibley 8 жыл бұрын

If Dan did my Electronics Design lectures at uni I might fall asleep less often!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@napalmhardcore 8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Wiegand Might want to read what he wrote more carefully.

@napalmhardcore 8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Wiegand Just thought I'd point it out before someone else gives you grief over what was obviously a mistake :)

@BlairWhibley 8 жыл бұрын

Hahah all good dude :)

@luminositymusic3810 6 жыл бұрын

Blair Whibley I finally have learned this.

@michaelpolutta3131 8 жыл бұрын

The Tuffy Hotpatch was a "clip to the guitar strap" buffer that works very well. Adjustable boost (trimpot) and 3-position switch for the amount of treble to roll off (none, a bit, a bit more).

@Tomsdrawings 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you thank you thank you. As always you guys are generous. Knowledge sharing is such a good thing. I’m always laughing with the teacher-student dialogue. In some other episode, Mick raises his hand and Dan says: “uhmmm. Mister Taylor?” So cool. Anyway, Dan is such a brilliant teacher! Mick is also formidable in summarizing, asking questions, giving examples and sharing anecdotes. Thank you guys, you are gold.

@capriom85 8 жыл бұрын

Great video/lesson guys! Guess what!!! I added an Empress buffer to the front of my chain and...voila! No more loss of treble. 👍🏻

@ThePanchomack 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this one guys ... Had exact the same issues with my Pedals (whammy, wah, lehle dual (-->Phase 90, Boss TR 2), BB Preamp, MXR Univibe, TC Flashback) going in an 2203 marshall ... Then, after gaining some knowledge here, putting my lehle dual sgos at the beginning of the chain: everything is fine!! No more tone loss, all the highs where they should be! cheers!

@ThatPedalShow 7 жыл бұрын

+ThePanchomack Excellent! That's how it should work. Thanks for watching!

@fooschmack 8 жыл бұрын

Informative and helpful. Can you guys do a show on taming RFI hum? As in the hum you get that's louder with single coils, changes depending on where you point your guitar, turns off when you roll the volume down, that kind of hum?

@manawarrior2010 8 жыл бұрын

I've used a buffer for about a year now and sometimes take it off because it sort of seems like a waste of pedal space until I take it off and my tone sounds as flat as a witch's whatsit then I put it straight back on. I also love how the duller subject matter of these episodes are the most exciting. See you next week!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

You have absolutely made my whole week Gareth - thank you! Seriously. :0) Mick

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Just out of interest, what's your main guitar and amp?

@manawarrior2010 8 жыл бұрын

+That Pedal Show No idea why but ok!

@manawarrior2010 8 жыл бұрын

+That Pedal Show Strats and an original 1974 100 watt Marshall Superlead. Which is brighter than an A Bomb going off BUT I use the darker channel and have a massive signal chain of the ever changing carousel of phasers and delays and use a Hughes & Kettner Cream Machine for my gain because I could never get the Superlead loud enough to break up. So I've got 20ft of cable to my board, a load of pedals, another 20ft of cable, the cream machine, then another 20ft of cable. I did buy a 20 watt Panama Shaman Retro last week because every sound man in Lancashire and Greater Manchester hates me. They have you two to thank for that 8^)

@jakehahn2457 6 жыл бұрын

Love you dudes. One of my absolute favorite channels 👍

@FilipFellner 3 жыл бұрын

Where should I put the buffer in this type of pedal chain: Fender Road Worn Mexican Strat > MXR Micro Amp > MXR Dyna Comp > Boss DS2 > Mossrite Fuzzrite Clone > Ibanez WH10 > Ce-1 Clone (pre-amp always on) > Line 6 FM4 > Line6 DL4 > My Amp

@danielroberts9579 8 жыл бұрын

Awesome! BTW, saw an Eric Johnson rig rundown years ago and he specifically pointed out piles of cable coiled on the floor to add capacitance.

@jongauthier9289 8 жыл бұрын

Great video! I'm so glad that I've found you guys. The information you provide for us all is absolutely indispensable. You have influenced a good deal of my pedal decisions of late, and I couldn't be happier. It's so refreshing to see two guitarists who have such a love for music and guitar and not some show-off just stroking his ego. Love it, sirs, love it!

@freddycookjr.2164 8 жыл бұрын

GOOD TO SEE YOU UP AND AROUND DAN

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Cheers Fred, feeling much better :)

@luckyno888 8 жыл бұрын

You should really call this channel ... "That Pedal Show: How to Tame the Cacaphonous Frankenstein's Monster of Tone You Assembled Through Impulse Purchases Because You Thought You Heard Something in Your Head That You Didn't Hear But Eddie Van Halen Did Hear Or Thought He Heard."

@mattgilbert7347 7 жыл бұрын

XD XD

@georgelackey622 6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like most of us! That's why we're watching!

@alantracy6757 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone has talent but most of us have to work at it

@rockcastlemusic 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@colt.thrower 4 жыл бұрын

Fuck

@cgraugaard 8 жыл бұрын

First rule of That Pedal Show is: "It's longer than it looks!"

@jimmythefish 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks gents, I thought my five true bypass pedals and 10 feet of cable on each side of my board into my AC10 with my Gretsch wasn’t causing roll off but I plugged directly in and noticed a big difference. Buffered my first and last pedals with the dip switches and it brought back the high end. Cheers.

@80sRadDad 2 жыл бұрын

Why first and last pedal? Would you get the same result putting the buffer just at the beginning or just at the end of the pedal board?

@QuadraticNightmare 8 жыл бұрын

That's why I always end up leaving my light overdrive on, because it acts as a buffer!! Makes so much sense now. Thank you for the knowledge.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+QuadraticNightmare our pleasure :)

@themattitude 8 жыл бұрын

Buffer my muffin.

@napalmhardcore 8 жыл бұрын

+Wethewax Mutter my button.

@56madguy 8 жыл бұрын

Mutter by mutton.

@jaydean6092 7 жыл бұрын

+56madguy butter my mutton

@Adipsia1 7 жыл бұрын

Butter my fluffer.

@napalmhardcore 7 жыл бұрын

Fluffer's my mother... sorry mum!

@brewitt1 6 жыл бұрын

Underrated video! Buffer's are essential especially as you add more pedals to your board

@Todesnuss 8 жыл бұрын

Coincidentially this video is completely relevant to the current topic in the Audio Engieering course I am taking.

@TheDogPa 8 жыл бұрын

If you would like to be 'taken to school' on microphones, there is nothing better than this awesome book by one of my favorite teachers from when I studied Audio Engineering: "Getting Great Sounds: The Microphone Book" by Tom Lubin. Most engineers from my day had mentors like Tom and worked up from a gofer level. Today there is little mentoring or real technique passed on that way. This book helps. Every time someone is amazed by the sounds I can get from proper mic use and placement I think of Tom (thanks!). Taking classes is indeed commendable. Enjoy your journey!

@threemilesmile6011 8 жыл бұрын

I like to watch these videos more than once. That way I retain more usable knowledge, that will serve me well. You can learn this stuff by experimenting/experience, but it's great to get some much needed information too. Thank you gents for the demonstrations.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

You're most welcome :)

@willcraig6421 7 жыл бұрын

Got a perfect example: My KTR is last in my OD chain,before any other time-based effects(not using an effects loop,despite having one).It contains a pretty well known buffer.I noticed my TC Flashback echo sounding "darker"than usual when engaged.Checked the buffer on/off on the Klon,& it had been inadvertently switched to"most always worse",or off.Clicked it back on & Voila!!,a crisp echo.

@ThatPedalShow 7 жыл бұрын

+Will Craig Yes! Mr Finnegan's buffer is indeed splendidos.

@willcraig6421 7 жыл бұрын

Indeed,makes everything around it sound better.So it never leaves the board.Sounds awesome with an Epiphone Casino.

@paultwiselton1996 7 жыл бұрын

BRILLIANT and important vid chaps. I've watched it twice back to back, to try and embed all the stuff to learn in my senile brain. Great work guys, thanks!

@LysanderLH 8 жыл бұрын

I could give you guys a hug for this.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Aww, cheers D :)

@hbert06 6 жыл бұрын

Great episode! You nailed the topic and it is one that every guitarist should know about. Thank you!

@sean.eidemiller 8 жыл бұрын

Guys, these videos are amazing. I've been playing guitar for a LONG ASS time and I've learned so much just in these past few months of watching your show here on KZfaq. Excellent tone, excellent info, top-quality banter... Obviously I'm a huge fan. Moar, pls. :-)

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Sean Eidemiller thanks Sean, glad you've got a lot out of it :)

@HuterDerSchwelle 8 жыл бұрын

I use 13 pedals. It blew my mind when I experimented and found that I thought the "tone suckage" of all that cable actually had a _better_ tone. Santana runs his guitar into 50 feet of cable before it even hits his pedals to get his preferred tone. Everyone has different tastes! listen for yourself!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+HuterDerSchwelle That's a great point Huter, thank you. Hopefully that's the point we are trying to make. To each his own - we're just trying to help people get to their own. Thanks for watching!

@rickyjones7282 3 жыл бұрын

I've certainly experienced this in great detail many times & that's why for emergency purposes I always carry a guitar that's loaded with EMG's (active pickups) because sometimes it's the only thing that's going to get the job done!! It's not as dark art as you think & I am not technical electronically but I go trial & error & mix true bypass & buffered pedals together & somehow this seems to work!!!

@alexmillar8242 8 жыл бұрын

I always used to get involved with debates like this about cables. My argument was that paying more for a cable doesnt always mean a better cable. Considering how easy it is to make a very good cable yourself, i fail to see the justification in price jump. It seems a lot of companies have jumped on the bandwagon and are taking advantage of gullible guitarists. Hopefully this video will serve as a lesson to educate those players.

@bbnatedogg 8 жыл бұрын

+Alex Millar You're right. The length of cable matters, not really the price. There are some super cheap ones that are detrimental to your sound, but you can get a very good one for not much money. The super expensive ones won't give you any benefit.

@SocksworthRiffs 8 жыл бұрын

Your channel is the one channel I constantly refresh every week to see if you have released a new video. I love your videos and you guys have increased my knowledge tenfold on different things about gear. Keep on making good videos, and let us know when we can buy shirts!

@jrhoads4849 3 жыл бұрын

Coiled cables are the rule for me but wasn't aware of the extra capacitance and less brightness. Tks.

@samatkinsphotography 8 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant and well explained. I took delivery of a new G2 this week and it's completely changed the way I use my pedals now - Great work Dan!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+sam atkins ah, that's so great. Thanks Sam, great to have you onboard :)

@psychoangus 8 жыл бұрын

My friend uses chains of tone sucky pedals. I once said to him that I bet he was losing a lot of treble through them. He said "So? I'll just turn up the treble on my amp." We put his guitar into an A/B box, one channel going through his pedals and one straight into another input on his amp. Yes, the pedal channel had less treble or prescence. But as each channel on his amp had independant EQ, we turned up the treble on his amp on the pedal channel like he said and with a bit of tweaking got it to a point where we couldn't tell the difference between the A or B channels. And that was in a silent room, not within a band mix. I'm all for tone geekiness but sometimes it's a pretty silly thing to get your knickers in twist when you can just turn up a knob on your amp.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+psychoangus Definitely some truth in that, Psycho and we'd always advocate the obvious/easiest route first. It's worth saying that not all amps have a similar EQ response, so sometimes the treble pot won't do the same job. Also, turning the amp treble up might be good for one pedal but not the others and so on. But yes - trying the obvious solution first can definitely save time and money! Thanks for the input and for watching the show!

@psychoangus 8 жыл бұрын

+That Pedal Show Totally. Obviously different amps will respond differently, I've only just come across your channel and I really enjoy it. Cheers guys.

@tpaul522 8 жыл бұрын

Mick and Dan, thank u simply for Wat u do , I'm a 30 year guitar player, although I don't have much giving experience I love the guitar and playing non the less, I have some electronic training in my past so it helps me to understand Wat ur explaining on a deeper level. Wich only causes me to want to ask a million more questions, but some other time, I'm far to big a guy for a tee shirt so maybe I'll have to air brush my own!! Thanks again That Pedal Show! I love it,,, due to one of ur recent shows I'm considering creating a wet dry rig, how do u like the sound of a Friedman pink taco and a Carvin legacy 3 for that application and a line 6 helix for all effects, I bet Dan could go crazy just fooling around with that combination !! Good day friends.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Tony Paul cheers Tony :) I'm sure those amp will work a treat!

@daspotz5134 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, I love that you went so in depth with this. I think I finally understand now. Can you comment on the buffer of the Boss TU-3?

@montychristo86 8 жыл бұрын

You guys totally remind me of Arthur (Mick) and Mr. Peabody (Dan) from the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. Loads of knowledge at one's fingertips and a great presentation.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Christopher Taylor thanks... I think ;) actually, I'm very happy with Mr Peabody

@really.not.important 7 жыл бұрын

Goddamit! Every time I search something gear related on youtube I get either you guys or Henning Pauly. STOP BEING SO GOOD AND THOROUGH! It's scary.

@Erukulon 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for all of these videos. I constantly find myself trying to explain all of these intricacies to friends/fellow musicians and it really surprises me how absolutely backwards most people have these facts. I usually fail at making them understand it so once I see the "This guy is more confused than me" face, I tell them I'll send them a link to your videos haha. You guys should really need to put out a short book explaining these videos subjects. With lots of pictures so the bass players that buy it can at least take comfort in owning a picture book after they put it down when the first paragraph is over their heads ;)

@MintStiles 4 жыл бұрын

I don't run too many pedals. At first I bought into the wisdom of always using pre and post buffer while using as many true bypass pedals as possible. But i often find buffers cause more trouble than help. The highs can become too pronounced and the attacks much too snappy. The point is, I think it really depends on your rig and everything in it to decide whether a buffer is good for your application or otherwise.

@Adipsia1 7 жыл бұрын

I'm unimaginably excited... and am so grateful to Dan for explaining all of this. My excitement boiled-over to such an extent earlier that I suggested my lovely fiancee watch this with me. Sadly she's now snoring... :( I'm thinking that there could be a buffering issue between Mars and Venus, and my chances of her putting on a G-string aren't looking positive tonight... also the chances of my exploring the dark side of the moon are definitely off the menu. ;) So I may as well watch the next video on power supplies.

@JamFactoryUK 8 жыл бұрын

Dan is back! Harder to follow this week but definitely worth the concentration! Thanks

@jasonpitre1249 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, I can definitely say that I have a better understanding or insight to the whole buffer/true bypass quandary. Cheers.

@jdavis.fw303 8 жыл бұрын

Man something was making the most high frequency squeal off and on for the first 6 minutes or so. At first I thought I could hear someone's phone ringing through your walls or something. I even thought Dan noticed it because when it started he lost his train of thought. Great podcast as always, your lucky that years of hearing damage has prevented you from hearing it in review Mick! [ J/K ;) ]

@Balance3rd 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah I heard it too

@Balance3rd 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah I heard it too

@micktaylor8350 8 жыл бұрын

+Chip Billingsley Me too. It was annoying the shit out of me for most of the video. We record on a busy industrial estate so it was something from the surrounding offices I guess.

@PoJoWo 8 жыл бұрын

I'm going to send some of my students in the direction of this video. Awesome, effective demonstration. One thing that I've never really heard talked about in reference to Brian May and hendrix and their long cables (and tone sacking wahs etc) is that the fact they were running into lower impedance inputs (treble boosters etc with the bias on the front end) surely lessened the damage caused by the capacitance of the cable. It certainly will have flattened the attack of the notes by loading the pickup coils, but having a smaller value resistor in a low pass circuit moves the corner frequency upwards. The difference in the virtual lpf resistor between running into a load of old school tone suckers, verses the Albert Collins route of a load of cable into a high impedance amp input (ten times the resistance possibly) moves the corner frequency of the filter significantly. No wonder Albert could stand the quad reverb. I wouldn't like to have a quad dimed with a ton of boss buffers in front. I think this is also why people often cannot believe the tones of some of the old school Marshall recordings being so much chunkier. Modern low capacitance cable and buffers contribute a substantially different pre Distortion eq to what the guys had back in those less refined, naive days, possibly lol. Sorry for waffling. Love the show

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+PoJoWo waffle away! Love it :) Cheers P

@VintageSG 8 жыл бұрын

+PoJoWo Waffle on!, that's good waffle. I know good waffle when I see it ;-) You triggered a memory of an article, www.premierguitar.com/articles/The_Vintage_Coiled_Cable_Simulator_Mod Hopefully it has come out as a link to a Premier Guitar article called 'The Vintage Coiled Cable Simulator' The simulator itself looks simple enough.

@PoJoWo 8 жыл бұрын

+VintageSG thanks for the link to the cool article, that's the kinda thing. Years ago stewart ward was selling a rotary switch with small caps on to replace one of your tones so you could adjust the effect from the guitar. It's definitely valid. Anyone who's used low input impedance effects knows it hugely limits the effect of your tone control to the point that it becomes very subtle and again is a side effect and oddity that these guys exploited without understanding back in the day. I believe radial make the dragster which allows you to create a similar effect in a controlled way. Another often missed element about vintage pickups and microphonics is that the treble was never making it to the amp for the above reasons, in order to squeal. Take some of those lovely old microphonics pickups, down some low capacitance cable, into a buffer, into a Marshall that's turned down and emphasising the treble via its bright cap and we're a world away from where they were. Thankfully with people like Dan and mick demonstrating this stuff on KZfaq it gives the modern guitarist the aural lessons that twenty years ago weren't there, and the devil was happily hiding in a few details that add up to a totally different end. These finer elements really are where the magic lies. Cheers!

@PoJoWo 8 жыл бұрын

@BaronsDuju 6 жыл бұрын

Today I learned I need a buffer. Damn it. I A/B my pedal setup VS my dry guitar straight into the amp and there’s a MASSIVE difference. It almost makes my single coils sound like humbuckers. First chance tomorrow I’m picking up a Polytune 3. It’s first in my chain, has a buffer, and is an upgrade to my polytune2. Sometimes I think I’d be better off without this show. I’d certainly have more cash! ;)

@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын

You either need a buffer or a good true bypass loop switcher. (ie a GigRig Device.) Buffer if you always have loads of pedals on at once and/or there are some old dogs in there. TBL if you just use two or three at a time. And power. Don’t forget power. Makes as much difference as both of the above. At least. Cheers!

@BaronsDuju 6 жыл бұрын

I love you guys, you're so helpful. So... I have 6 pedals on my board powered by a Voodoo Pedal Power 2 but I usually only run between 1 and 3 of them simultaneously. I guess I need a loop switcher then. Thanks!

@maxdeantv6351 7 жыл бұрын

hey guys I've seen almost every episode and i dig it when y'all don't use the G2, at least when you don't need to. obviously required when changing pedal order to save time. thanks for a great show, peace love. PS would be cool to see a bit of footage from sum of yalls band gigs.

@richardbrawn1019 8 жыл бұрын

I actually really dug this episode, you guys know so much about the "science" of how things work, its great

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it Richard :)

@flyonsoul 8 жыл бұрын

Love your show - watch every week. But the more I watch the happier I am with the sound of my Tele straight into my 15 watt Fisonic valve amp maxed out and using the volume and tone pots on the guitar to colour/overdrive and the odd splash of amp vibrato

@kaistutz7067 3 жыл бұрын

It's actually not the germanium transistors but rather the low input impedance of these kind of pedals. You can achieve similar results with silicon based Fuzz pedals. It just lives from the fact that it interacts with your guitar... as you mentioned, a two way relation. The buffer takes all this away :( For other pedal designs I highly recommend at least one buffer or a pedal with it included.

@MerrickGuitar 8 жыл бұрын

I look forward to a new episode so badly. Thanks Mick and Dan

@MerrickGuitar 8 жыл бұрын

What do you guys think of the Empress Buffer+ - empresseffects.com/products/buffer-1

@Bluesman 8 жыл бұрын

Always use the buffer after the germanium transistors... They work OK!

@philipvanpeborgh9273 8 жыл бұрын

Firstly Dan, you're alive! Secondly, perfect timing, this was next on my list of things to understand.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Yes, feeling much better, thanks P :)

@eyupiblag 8 жыл бұрын

Hi there. I am a subscriber to Guitar Techniques and Guitarist mags. And you both are so humble and fantastic... Thanks for everything. Keep on rocking'..

@TheCamilocedeno 8 жыл бұрын

Such a detailed explanation about buffers. Thank you so much guys, I finally get it.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Camilo Cedeno that's excellent Cam, so glad it's been helpful :)

@leascaart 2 жыл бұрын

This idea of a longer or shorter cable affecting the treble reminds me of yelling down a 200 foot long hallway that will sort of crush the treble? I don't know. That's the imagery that comes up in my mind.

@riffmagnet 5 жыл бұрын

HI! @ 13:22 Mick strummed his Les Paul and I heard the crackly gain-ish "noise" that had me disheartened when I thought it was my amp doing this. (I have a PRS with humbuckers, and it's an older one.) But when you stomped on the buffer, Voila! it was gone! (or smoothed it out so it sounded like actual gain, NOT noise.) After doing some quick research, I ordered a TC Polytune 3 within 5 minutes. Thank you!!!

@voxpathfinder15r 8 жыл бұрын

A couple of thoughts, first that 30 feet of cable rolled up introduces a lot of inductance into the circuit - it would be interesting if you compared it again but spread that cable out so no inductance is introduced. And it's a little misleading about buffers re-introducing highs back into the sound - you can't just put it anywhere, it only affects the signal downwind, so if some kid thinks he can put a buffer on his board and now run 100 ft of cable from his guitar to the board - it won't have the effect he was looking for, it will only affect the effective length of cable that all the pedals introduce and the amount of cable leaving the board and going back to the amp. If anything, they should sell these buffers so they plug directly into your guitar similar to the treble boosters, or something so small that it can go inline between two guitar cables and get dragged around on stage.

@robertusmaximus42 7 жыл бұрын

This explained so much. I'm a pedal freak who plays lead guitar in a metal band. They're great for building an eerie atmosphere in our music. But after a 10 - 11 true bypass long pedal chain (plus the ehx pitchfork... not sure what bypass that has) I noticed the distortion from my Peavey Valveking 100w head and Line 6 Spider 3 cab has become essentially dead. I've lost everything but my mid range... which I scoop slightly anyways. I also lose a good 50% of my gain. The resulting tone sounds hollow and has no sustain, when my tone use to be growling and sustain filled. My Xotic EP Booster worked for a while when I only had about 6 pedals, but now it literally only affects the volume no matter where it is in the chain. Sucks cuz it used to be my secret tone weapon. I tried an mxr 10 band eq and had an impossible time dialing in the right amount of highs and lows without being overbearing. The volume and gain boost really just add unbearable amounts of these frequencies. I've switched out my cables but still had the problem. I've also gotten an unbearable amount of hiss even even everything's bypassed. Recently found out that my gator power supply isn't isolated power so that explains some of that. But even using my MXR brick I'm still losing a lot of gain and my highs and lows. So to anyone who cared to read all that, does that sound like an impedance problem? And if so do you think it would be solved by a buffer? Kinda tired of spending more and more money to solve the same problem. I also run my tuner, wah, noise gate, fuzz and my pitchfork in front of the amp (and now my new afterlife of pitch) and my phaser, vibrato, tremolo, reverb, delay and boost and eq through the loop. Not sure if that makes any difference or not. Also not sure if it's a buffered loop either though.

@userPrehistoricman 7 жыл бұрын

Adding things is not fixing your problems. It's simply a cover-up. You need to figure out where your tone is going, and then try and do something about it. Don't try to solve a problem without knowing what the problem is. Putting things in the loop is like putting them after a distortion and EQ pedal. You can of course skip that section if you like by plugging directly into the power amp.

@robertusmaximus42 7 жыл бұрын

Prehistoricman Yeah I've isolated the tone suck to a combination of my ehx pitchfork and electrical problems with my guitar. I knew about the electrical issue but not the pitchfork. Didn't realize how noisey it was either until I went pedal by pedal in my chain.

@userPrehistoricman 7 жыл бұрын

Ah, it's good you found it. Has the Pitchfork always done that?

@robertusmaximus42 7 жыл бұрын

Prehistoricman To some degree yeah. When I first got it I noticed a small change in my tone but it was barely noticeable and was easily remedied with a boost that added a little more high end. But the more pedals I added to my chain the worse it got. Not to mention I've been running roughly 80 feet of cable going from my guitar to the top row of pedals, to the amp, from the fx loop send to the second row, to the fx loop return. Then you add a grounding issue in my guitar jack and you get a cluster fuck of tone suck and problems

@userPrehistoricman 7 жыл бұрын

fuck yea that sounds like a real headache Maybe a buffer after the Pitchfork would help?

@TheRealFreekBos 7 жыл бұрын

That was SUPER helpfull! Thank you soooo much guys! Don't be afraid to go technical!

@robbieredball 8 жыл бұрын

I've just bought a JRAD Mark Sampson MAX boost, xpander and buffer - the very questions I didn't know the answer too was where in the signal path (for the buffer).

@estring69 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I think of buffers as a part of an electronic appliance design that was put in place to avoid some horrible result and not as a feature. You are demonstrating that some buffers are an enhancement to consider. Other videos mention some bad buffers that suck tone and should be avoided. It seems that the subject is complex enough to need a simple circuit diagram to save on some of the explanation.

@adamkrauss303 4 жыл бұрын

I too was eagerly awaiting a show on buffers and while this was very useful, I wish you spent another 5-10 minutes on buffer placement, including when using effects loops (another show in the making) and number of buffers for a couple of set ups. Thanks. I am considering the Mesa buffer that provides a buffered signal for two spots in the pedal chain.

@Mycall1983 8 жыл бұрын

Great video, I've seen a lot of others on the subject but they miss a lot of points you covered great work !

@JIMJAMSC 7 жыл бұрын

Nobody like buying buffers. I have 4 rigs and recently did the straight to amp and through the effects A-B test. My metal and rock rigs, Mesa/EVH/Marshalls etc with minimal effects,delays/phaser were ok to my tattered eardrums. But the 2 rigs that ran to vintage Tweeds had major loss in treble and overall quality. Even with highest quality cables and effects into a bypass looper, the drop was noticeable. A well placed TC Bonafide buffer right before the looper made a huge difference in sparkle,treble and overall harmonics.

@crazykong5246 7 жыл бұрын

A lot of great information in this video, awesome delivery.

@ukaszStachowiak 8 жыл бұрын

VERY VERY VERY good video! Thanks guys!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Łukasz Stachowiak you're very welcome :)

@homevalueglass3809 5 жыл бұрын

Great explanation, thank you!

@gmlasam 8 жыл бұрын

Subscribed!! I don't subscribe to too many channels, but your channel is essential to all guitar players. The guys from Analogman sent me here after I just purchased the Beano Boost.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+gmlasam Cheers G, nice to have you onboard :)

@pedrogonic 8 жыл бұрын

Wow! You've got your electronics together! Great lesson!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Pedro Goñi Coelho ;)

@JasonCone 8 жыл бұрын

In addition to the coily cable thing, somewhere I read that Brian May used a Dallas Rangemaster; that could also dump off some highs

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Jason Cone Rangemaster is a treble booster, actually accentuates the highs

@JasonCone 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the correction! I guess I mis-remembered that one.

@tippydripbumskeetr1745 5 жыл бұрын

ohh - the plank wall and only 1 pedal show icon on a push tac !!!!! right where i started watching TPS = how'd i miss this one?????

@jwhouwers 8 жыл бұрын

Great show! Now I finally have a good reason to buy that curly cable!

@BadMofoMusicCritic 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. I recently removed two pedals from my chain - boss tu3 and mxr analog chorus, as in my opinion they degraded my tone. I use a tele and cables aren't too long, so maybe I didn't get the benefit of the buffer that one might get with humbuckers or long cables. I just got the tonal change, which I didn't like. Maybe those pedals have poor quality buffers? The only other buffered pedal I have is an ehx canyon delay, and though that one slightly alters my tone, it retains warmth and presence, so it stays.. And maybe that's good having the one buffer. After discovering the tone sacrifice, I'm way more wary of buffered pedals now.

@AqmalShah 8 жыл бұрын

I really love what you guys did here, and also what you guys did in other video. Really enlightened me on everything that I should know bout gear

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Aqmal Shah cheers Aqmal :)

@guitarjediwarrior 7 жыл бұрын

That was so helpful and good to understand, and sums up the topic perfect. Thank you :)

@ejgane 8 жыл бұрын

Another excellent insight and cuts straight through the nonsense. Excellent work fellas 🤘

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ed :)

@jeffbriggs4268 3 жыл бұрын

This is one of the most important & informative videos I've seen. Well done!!! Thanks guys! Also, signal decay might be a reason to use the HX Stomp or other modelling unit.

@ianwicks5619 7 жыл бұрын

As lucid as ever for which thank you.

@marsattacks7071 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for that demo & explanations ! As usual, you're are top notch pros ! The guitar cord (the coiled one) is probably 20 feet long (I have one of those). Take a look at EMPRESS buffers (from Canada; my country). Very high quality and versatility (stereo one). I would have liked to hear demos of the buffer at different places in the chain (pedal board) and maybe in the effect chain too. I know that you talked mainly of putting it at the beginning of the chain, after the overdrive or fuzz for great results. THANK YOU !

@geecen 8 жыл бұрын

Mick's face when you're explaining it to him! :)

@AlistairLindsay 2 жыл бұрын

Really helpful. Thank you! 👍

@MisterFinkle 6 жыл бұрын

This video was very helpful. Thanks guys!

@smol88 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this episode, ik was running a TS9 in front of a MXR La Machine fuzz and never got a good tone (to much trebble). Because of this episode a changed it and put the TS9 after all my MXR pedals (also after the phase 90 en EVH flanger, which kind of have the same problem) and the sound is so much better!!!

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Yes! That's the way it should work Smol. Nice one. Thanks for watching!

@AndiPicker 8 жыл бұрын

Mentions a couple of times that the sound with the hi cap cable seems to be mid boosted -it is - the vid doesn't mention the resonant peak (unless I zoned-out for that bit?) - hi cap doesn't ONLY roll off hi end, it also pushes the resonant peak of the system downwards.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

+Andi Picker We never knew that Andi, thanks for the info. Makes a lot of sense when you think about the players who liked long cable runs...

@AndiPicker 8 жыл бұрын

+That Pedal Show Yay - tuned LCR stuff - love the show!!

@m00nsplitter72 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for yet another very interesting presentation.

@TheScottCard 8 жыл бұрын

that was super informative and explains a bunch of things i can try in my own rig to improve on the type of sounds i want to get without spending a tonne of cash. thx.

@ThatPedalShow 8 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure :)