That Pedal Show - Thoughts On Speakers & Cabinets For Guitar Amps
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In this video we take an overview of cabinets and speakers for guitar amps. Truth be told, we’ve been reluctant to get into this on TPS… because there areso many variables to the point that most comparisons end up being almost entirely academic, and are therefore not tremendously helpful.
Variables include your amp, guitar, gain type, pedals, strings etc etc etc… even before we get into the bigger stuff like the volume you’re playing at, the room, its acoustics in terms of size, shape and materials and of course mic’ing and recording choices.
Should we all strip it back to a ‘lab’ style environment and do some scientific comparisons? We think it's largely pointless, and has nothing to do with how you will experience - hearing and feeling - the speaker.
Then why do this video at all? Despite what we've said above there remains no doubt your cab and speaker will radically change the sound of your amp. So what we’re trying to do as always is to help you ask better questions that suit your own personal circumstances and preferences.
We expect this video to spark a tremendous number of questions and requests for follow-up speaker shows… so let’s have them!
A NOTE ON HOW WE RECORDED THESE SPEAKERS & CABS
• Amp controls set exactly the same when comparing cabs
• Sennheiser e906 placed in the same place on each speaker in terms of position and distance
• Mic preamps and levels set exactly the same
• Our room mics - a pair of AKG C414XL - are set higher in the mix than we would normally set them (3 or 4 dB - nothing drastic) so that you get a slightly improved sense of the room as well. It’s a long way from reality, but it is what it is!
Please enjoy the video…
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• D’Addario Pedal Tuner
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2tIN4lD
USA: bit.ly/3IRrhPE
Australia: bit.ly/2tfHqHN
• Analog Man Sun Face NKT Red Dot
www.analogman.com
• Kingsley Page Boost
www.kingsleyamplifiers.com
• Keeley D&M Drive
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2oTblU1
USA: bit.ly/3xs7kcU
Australia: bit.ly/2pUDUAE
• Danelectro Billionaire Big Spender
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2uHs441
• Longamp Roxanne
Watch this space…
• Dawner Prince Boonar
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2lXzfON
• Source Audio Ventris Dual Reverb
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2FTFZIx
USA: bit.ly/3GOcjbr
Australia: bit.ly/2HCDQyd
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 00:00
- We’ve been asked for this a lot - questions: 1:14
- Too many variables: 2:20
- All things being equal, level playing field - rubbish! 2:35
- Ball tampering: 4:25
- Marshall 412 & 212 comparison: 5:00 (6:30)
- …Actual (mid overdrive) comparison starts: 7:00
- A preliminary closed and open-back discussion: 9:00
- …Cleaner sounds with the Marshall 212 & 412: 10:16
- 1x12, 2x10 & 2x12 cabs discussion: 13:58
- What speakers? 17:30
- 1x12, 2x10 and 2x12 sounds, Tele: 17:30
- 1x12, 2x10 and 2x12 sounds, ES-335: 20:05
- Celestion Creamback 75: 22:15
- WGS12L: 23:16
- Strat, no pedals, 1x12, 2x10, 2x12: 25:54 (26:20)
- … and with the Tele and no FX: 27:18
- WGS12L and Celestion Creamback 75 again: 28:47
- Relationship between sound & feel: 31:30
- Impedance questions and extension cabs: 35:00
- Volume? 36:40
- Efficiency/sensitivity, volume, loudness: 37:33
- Oooh - an actual speaker! 39:40
- Magnet material, voice coils, damping etc… 40:28
- Wattage, power handling: 42:00
- Resonant frequency? 42:40
- Phase?: 44:05
- Cab design? 45:43
- 1x12 cab or 1x12 combo? 48:00
- Mick’s moan - cheapo cabs: 49:35
- Open- and closed-back cabs? 52:20 (53:48)
- Comparison using Victory VX The Kraken: 55:18
- Have we learned anything? 1:02:00
Amps in this episode
• Marshall 1987x head
USA: bit.ly/3v3Xazc
• Victory V40 Deluxe head
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2KBfRU0
• Victory VX The Kraken head
UK & Europe: bit.ly/35BrGSe
Cabs in this video
• Zilla Custom 1x12 with Celestion G12H-75 Creamback
• Zilla Custom 1x12 with WGS12L
• Zilla Custom 2x10 with Celestion Alnico Gold
• Victory V212VV prototype with Celestion Vintage 30
• Marshall 2061cx with Celestion G12H Anniversary
• Marshall 1960AX with Celestion G12M Greenback
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@LeonTodd 6 жыл бұрын
In a parallel universe this is the "thoughts on pedals for guitar amps" episode of "That Speaker Show"
@sdude1357 6 жыл бұрын
What about in a series universe?
@scriptosaurusrex 6 жыл бұрын
'Remember guys. Most people buy an amp and a cable, but actually if you add another cable and a pedal you can drastically change your sound!' - Parallel Dan continues to tell a story about how he tried and bought an amp once and was disappointed when he got home and found he couldn't get the compression he had got while trying it. Better go back and also buy that compression pedal.
@thesjkexperience 5 жыл бұрын
Would the added gain be worth the loss of clarity?
@jayceburns8246 5 жыл бұрын
Would that make the show 2 hours long or 30 minutes?
@SOULJAJOE010 4 жыл бұрын
lolll that was a really clever comment, took a few seconds for me to get it lol
@RickP2012 6 жыл бұрын
You know it's funny, after over 25 years of reading guitar magazines and watching KZfaq videos how little attention is given to the bloody speakers in a cab. People obsess over string gauge, picks, the type of transistors in a pedal, pickup choice, wiring, fretboard wood, body type, valve types in an amp etc..........but rarely do people ever discuss the type of speaker or the construction materials of a cabinet. Thanks for this.
@mattgilbert7347 6 жыл бұрын
Speakers are perhaps the most important variable. Perhaps.
@RickP2012 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, and it's so obvious when you come to think about it. But it's probably the area I've paid least attention to.
@davidozab2753 6 жыл бұрын
And yet the speakers are the only part that MAKE SOUND. Go figure.
@mrc2662 6 жыл бұрын
RickP2012 I guess it’s hard to lust over a speaker hidden inside an amp, compared to a sexy rosewood neck, an overwound Josefina pickup, a Dumble-inspired cascaded gain amp etc...But you’re right - the speaker is just critical to tone
@ikhsanputra9632 6 жыл бұрын
full video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nr-SmsiFx7LRlnU.html
@jeffmorris9893 6 жыл бұрын
Dan is always so blown-away thrilled by guitar sounds. Pretty much any guitar sounds. I'd vote for him for President of the World. That is a good dude.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Me too! Mick here. He’d need a bloody good secretary though. Not me.
@JamieK_89 6 жыл бұрын
The 1x12's sounded better to me by an absolute mile! Each time you went through the 1x12's sounded amazing. I've always thought that for strictly recording purposes, a 1x12 makes so much more sense than a cab with multiple speakers. Would love to hear a comparison of the exact same speaker, but in a 1x12, a 2x12 and a 4x12. Great episode
@ReidStefanMusic 6 жыл бұрын
I plug my guitar into a closed back laptop
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
You pesky kids.
@ReidStefanMusic 6 жыл бұрын
That Pedal Show I’m sure software is blasphemy to most guitar enthusiasts but an episode demonstrating plugins will definitely interest a new demographic 🤘🏻 love your videos, thanks for making such informative and entertaining content
@arbitermatt 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReidStefanMusic for me, that's just not what TPS about... They remind us of a better time when we were allowed to crank our amps loud 😂 Although they did do an episode on going direct into the desk... It quite literally didn't resonate with them.
@kingfisher7960 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReidStefanMusic No, if you know about electronics you would know that a circuit can be analog or digital. Computers now can process the parameters of that circuit to give a true representation of what it was designed for. All amp, pedals, and whatever use a voicing set by the circuit design. All this can now be replicated digitally. People who are educated do have an advantage. Here it's not wasting money on 10 amps, 200 pedals, and 5 guitars by getting a quality multi effect IR processor especially if its connected to a PC. Flounder about life, I'm all set.
@cardbored_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingfisher7960 uh huh lol, I own a Kemper. Doesn’t hold a candle to my real Friedmans. It might sound similar but the feel is night and day.
@petergraham9267 8 ай бұрын
Loving this video......and I have to say, there is a WORLD of difference between sitting at home / studio and playing live! For me (almost all my focus is live gigging) the 1x12" open back cab is just about perfect! I don't need loads of bottom end.....in fact, playing Vox amps as I do, there isn't a lot there anyway. What I need is to be able to cut through in the right frequencies above kick drum, very solid bass player, and a heavy handed keys player (so LOTS of bottom end there!) and yet not collide with the singers or sax player! The guitar sits perfectly in the same range as the vocals / sax, so I need to be there, and trying to compete with the low end instruments, so I find the 1x12" or even 1x10" in some cases, to be the perfect cab for doing this.
@BillyTalentguitar1 6 жыл бұрын
Hey guys! I really love that you‘re changing the content a little bit (but not too much) away from pedals. I love learning new things about this kind of stuff and you are the best teachers! Thanks a thousand times!
@jmath679 6 жыл бұрын
Guys I loved this video! I enjoy seeing you guys mess around with various pedals, but there really is nothing better than you two imparting your vast knowledge to all of us. Fantastic!
@jasonwilding6334 6 жыл бұрын
I use a closed back 2x12", with different speakers in it (WGS Reaper HD and ET65). Works perfectly in virtually any situation.
@EDKguy 6 жыл бұрын
You have attempted an impossible task. As you said, there are an almost infinite number of variables and translating that through KZfaq multiplies it even more. Your reactions and opinions as to what is happening in the room and "the players loop" is priceless to this video. Lots of great info. Good on ya!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ed - glad you get it!
@thebriancameron3873 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for this episode. I have been an EV 12L user for the past 10 years in my Fender and Perkins Amps and Celestion V30 speakers in my Marshall and Soldano amps. I love the way that sounds live. In the studio I use 12L speakers most of the time in the studio though. And you guys have already covered all the “why’s” of it all. Great episode. I’m really stoked by this. Great stuff!!!!
@jonathandiaz2435 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like this show is exactly what I’ve wanted for years. And even when I get worried about what topics they’re going to talk about net they bring something new and it’s always great! I’ve learned so much from the show. Keep it going guys!
@yourendwastheroad 6 жыл бұрын
57:00 "I'm lookin California and feelin Minnesota" Love that song and especially that line! Thanks for another great show gentlemen!
@mantashaft 6 жыл бұрын
Stuck in Florida at my in laws... episode much appreciated
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Go down in your underwear and shout “I’m changing and I need your support” That could help. :0)
@777Yoni 6 жыл бұрын
Before you judge too harshly , remember the Allman Brothers sprang from the loins of Daytona. You might call it our one silver lining.
@mjallenuk 6 жыл бұрын
He'll be buggered if his father in law decides to get in on the moment! Stranger things have happened...
@bradford_shaun_murray 6 жыл бұрын
...sounds like a line from Police Academy
@Pstaines439 6 жыл бұрын
I feel for ya. My mother in law lives in Sebring, FL. Nothing to do there except whittling sticks and reading gun magazines
@danielpearce6462 6 жыл бұрын
4x12 for life 🤘 Have learned so much watching your show over the last few months. Love it!!!
@rasmusolesen5307 6 жыл бұрын
The cabinet is the "mastering section" of your guitar rig. It decides the overall dynamics and eq of your sound. It always baffles me how much time, energy and money people are willing to spend on tiny amp modifications and guitar upgrades... when they afterwards run it all through a random- or the same old "wrong for the job"-cabinet.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Hooray!
@jonathanprice9316 6 жыл бұрын
Ha! It always baffles me, too! But seriously, yes it is the final say in my sound (other than my girlfriend at home, or the sound guy on stage)
@avbsvideo 5 жыл бұрын
Rasmus Olesen Well stated!
@WhoWouldWantThisName 5 жыл бұрын
I really think that we don't consider it much because of how little we understand about it. If I have no idea what to expect from a particular cab choice, than I'm likely to focus on the things I, at least think, I understand. Which is exactly the case with me. We really need more shows like this to help us delve into all this so we can begin to grow our understanding of it. Also if there was more focus by the industry on speakers and cabs we would all appreciate them so much more. Right now it's mostly the pedals that are so much fun to play with, and the amps second. Then we get around to the vast topics associated with the guitars themselves, followed by picks and such last, and NEVER even get to the speakers. It's the fault of all of us.
@hovikmekhjian2464 5 жыл бұрын
Lol baffle. I get it
@Dieckenish 6 жыл бұрын
That open/closed back comparison blew my mind. I was perfectly aware that everything in the chain matters... but that sound difference to me is THE difference between "british and american sound" more than any tonestack... Thanks, guys! :)
@frankardos4211 6 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! That Tele Dan!!I cannot believe how glorious the wgs12 sounded!!! Holy sound waves Bat man!!!
@matteuklol 28 күн бұрын
Today i picked up a Marshall 1960A from Exeter services, probably one of the best days of my life.
@BCEpedals 6 жыл бұрын
Learned so much from you guys today! Been having trouble with my setup and didn’t know what direction I needed to improve and now I do! Thanks guys! 🤘🏻
@invsibl_monstrs 6 жыл бұрын
Great show guys! I think you perfectly hit the variables... and hopefully left viewers with the knowledge that you just have to go play variations and always consider the room. Mid show I was reminded of a very lucky purchase in my youth: I bought an Ampeg V7 head... a loud thing that wasn't in great demand, so I got it very cheap. Being young and broke, I bought the cheapest cab I could find which happened to be an extremely beat up, beer soaked 2X12 open back cabinet. Well, in short, it was a magic combination that in some ways I have been chasing ever since. [I sold it out of necessity about a year later] :( Anyhow, thanks for all that you do! For everyone who has read this far: Skip the speaker comparison videos and go plug into as much as you can until you find your sweet spot.
@CaptPostmod 6 жыл бұрын
I gig with a 1x10 Marshall cab a lot and love it. My amp’s a Quilter 101 that I keep on my board. Bigger gigs I use an old Marshall 4x10. But the 1x10 really kills it at smaller gigs.
@stroopwafel6141 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks! I tend to use a 112 ported cab (The Valve 112 RFX/ V30) more and more. It handles my RV MKI and Diezel Schmidt very well. It sounds really good and you're not lugging around a big cab.
@benradford847 6 жыл бұрын
17:33 that is without a doubt, one of the best sounds you guys have ever had. For me, it's tied with the Harmonic trem + drive as well as when you played a fender, vox and marshall at the same time. You guys kick ass!
@lance134679 6 жыл бұрын
Since you guys haven't heard the recordings when you're making them, you might consider doing a bit of commentary after you hear the playback and including that in the video.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
That would be cool. A production delaying nightmare, but cool. It might make a reasonable podcast. Getting us all in the same room is harder than it might seem. We should work on that!
@lance134679 6 жыл бұрын
I thought of the logistic difficulties while I was typing the comment, but I thought I'd make the suggestion anyway. Even if it was only the occasional video, it could be quite revealing, comparing what you hear in the room and what the microphones record.
@jocelynguindon4913 6 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely!!! ...and add mic position on the cab... that's another show!
@dustinmbox 6 жыл бұрын
totally. I thought the 1x12 recorded the best. It sounded amazing to me. also the 4x12, lol
@joelecho 6 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't necessarily have to be immediate for it to be interesting, either. If you were to record 5 minutes of your thoughts on hearing something recorded from a past episode the next time you were together to record a set of shows, that too would be cool. Especially since you talk all the time about tones that work in a band. (And rightfully so). Any tone that works in a band isn't likely heard by the audience the way you are hearing them in the room you record in. They're more likely hearing it through mics, the way your youtube audience does.
@StaffyLeeMusic 6 жыл бұрын
Great show. I loved hearing the speaker swap in the 1x12. A speaker swap in one or two combos would be interesting too, just to hear the differences.
@stevieray0988 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys so much for the content. I normally don't comment, but after watching this episode I made what I thought was a really fascinating discovery (I've been trying unsuccessfully to convince my wife of the true value of this discovery). Lately I have been playing a '63 Fender Bandmaster through a Z-Best closed-back cabinet. I'm a big fan of Hendrix, SRV & KWS, and I've been loving the tones I was getting with a strat and a Fulltone OCD pedal through this amp + cab, which surprised me because the OCD is not the first pedal I would normally think of to pair with a strat. I have not been as enamored of the tones I was getting with my tube-screamer style pedals, on the other hand (I have an Ibanez TS-808 & Fulltone PlimSoul at the moment). I happen to also have a Baltic birch open-back cabinet made by 65 amps that I haven't played in a long while. After watching this episode, I pulled it out and plugged it in. Before any pedals were applied, the sound was already drastically different. I immediately perceived more highs, quite a bit more crunch and bite on the top end, less bass (to my ear) and less compression under my fingers. After making a few EQ adjustments, I turned on the OCD - and hated it! The bass seemed out of control, and way too brash. I lowered the drive, tweaked the EQ, but still wasn't feeling it. Then I tried the PlimSoul, and it sounded incredible. Maybe that should have been obvious: SRV, who famously employed a tube screamer, used a lot of Fender combos that were open backed. To me, it was a huge eye opener, so thank you.
@jonashellborg8320 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you so much for this episode. What you talk about here is why I recently went for combos over head and using venue cabs for gigs, and then STILL needing and eq pedal because the sound isn’t consistent across rooms.I guess i would love more advice on how to achieve a consistent sound across rooms and venues - to the extent possible. I know “get a smaller amp” trick already so the volume is more of a constant.
@ReiCow 6 жыл бұрын
I love education episodes like these. Keep them up, boys! I am also curious what you guys think after listening to the audio of the amps in the recording, vs. being in the room. I know that on several tests I felt that the 2x12 sounded best (this could be due to bias as my amp is a Reeves Custom 50 PS 2x12). Cheers!
@colaboytje 6 жыл бұрын
The best cabinet I have played through, and own, is the Matchless ESD 212. I have put many speakers in it, played many amps through it, and it allways sounds great. I also own many different cabs, open and closed, and none of them has that 'give me any amp'. Second favorite is the Two-Rock 2x12 open back. That cab sounds huuuuge, and the bass is thundering. But not all amps work as well with that cab. What I do know from experience, is that cheaper cabs, just don't stand up to higher priced cabs.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for sharing - so much variation!
@user-pm9ci2gg6b 6 жыл бұрын
As a closed back user for years... that open back blew my mind; I absolutely loved the sound of that open back! Time for a change I think!
@genesisfalling 6 жыл бұрын
Great show guys. I used open back cabs for years, but when I got my Mark 5:25 I got a closed back 1x12 Mesa Recto slant cab with UK made Celestion Vintage 30. And I was sold. What a HUGE sound from a small cab.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Mesa cabs are always exceptional. Mick here. Been there, watched them being made. Those guys go to the nth degree with cabs. Cheers!
@Les537 6 жыл бұрын
Lots of experience gained and no money spent. Thanks boys!
@guitarwizard1989 2 жыл бұрын
To me as far as speakers go I believe the ceramic vs alnico magnets and actual speaker size make a big difference in how it sounds to me. I also think "tone" aside I like Pine>Ply>MDF for my cabs mainly for looks tbh. I like a nice bare oiled up wood speaker cab. Kind of how I like a nice transparent finish on guitars with nice looking wood. It just looks good to me.
@MrBingping 6 жыл бұрын
I love this show. Such a wealth of knowledge. I've been considering putting a pair of celestion alnico creams in my twin reverb and this has got even more curious
@asnipa 6 жыл бұрын
Keep them vidz coming guys! The more often, the better. Sometimes more is more! Been a fan since the early days and love the show!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
+asnipa ah, cheers mate, thanks for watching :)
@AlexanderShibilski 6 жыл бұрын
I've got some old Marshall branded T-75's that are very crispy/sizzly. There is a lot of cone cry compared to another set of T-75's I have but, similar sizzle. Some old, abused speakers have some beauty to their ugliness. Back in my bass playing days I have an Acoustic Control 301 folded horn 1x18" as well as a few closed back bass cabs(2x15" and 4x12"). Talk about different transient response, air being thrown, and low end reproduction between those cabs. I like the sag and punch of pairing vented/ported/open back and closed back cabs.
@WhoWouldWantThisName 5 жыл бұрын
I would imagine bass players are far more into this subject than guitarists.
@peterjessop1878 6 жыл бұрын
This was a timely show! Historically I have used 4X10's cos just love the punch, but I've been trying to reduce the weight of carrying equipment so went and bought the Orange Rocker 15 which has a 1X10 open back. Sounds great but can get boxy in the wrong room. Last night I added a 1X12 closed back extension cab because of an upcoming gig. OMG the difference was astounding. Yes its louder but with a tele bridge pick up all the gaps in frequencies were filled. Bass was strong but not overpowering, highs were there without being grating and the midrange full. Interestingly though the neck pick up sounded dull compared to the 1X10 on its own. By the way first gig with a new singest tomorrow so wish us luck :-)
@djillogika 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, guys! Great show as always! Please do a show on amps with power tube switching - 6L6 vs. EL34, pentode/triode/single-ended modes, preamp tubes swap and how all that affect your tone.
@typedeaf 8 ай бұрын
The Victory with the 1x12 and the slight OD @29:00 was to die for. This is the second time I have heard a Victory on this channel and been floored.
@custompedalboards 6 жыл бұрын
1 speaker manufacturer i didnt hear mentioned, 1 of the old british greats and still making amazing speakers is FANE.
@bluesrocker91 4 жыл бұрын
Yep... The heart and soul of Hiwatt.
@musicproducer27 4 жыл бұрын
Fane has Amazing reviews by a major guitar mag!
@xMasterxRazorx 6 жыл бұрын
Great, now I have to go try every cab in every room in the world. Better get started!
@ac81017 6 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated episode!! Learned alot!!!!! I´ve been struggling with the whole amp/speaker/cab business for years... My latest setup is a Fender Deville 2x12 and an old Peavey classic 60 2x12 with vintage 30´s which i use in stereo to get the pin pong effect between the amps. Soo many variables, but it´s fun :-) Keep up the good work guys :-)
@brianhicks493 6 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! The constant reminder about variables rings true. How a closely-placed mic picks up a speaker versus how the speaker/s sound and feel in the room makes it difficult to parse what exactly is being heard from one cab to the next. That said, y'all did a great job explaining what you heard and felt, as always. I did a blind cabinet comparison on the SpectreSoundStudios channel, and with an amplifier that shares almost no characteristics with my own amp, the cabinet I ended up liking best was the V30 Mesa 2x12 - the same one I've owned (though only had the opportunity to play through on and off) for ten years. The one I ended up disliking the most was the oversized Mesa 4x12 (though speaking of variables, I don't know whether it had the same speakers as the 2x12). And I bet that 4x12 is fun to be in the room with, but the mic told a completely different story to my ears. As for this video, I think my favorite was the Creamback 1x12, but it's not as though there was a bad choice in the 12" speaker category. I'm finally moving into a house soon and look forward to testing cabinets more...thoroughly (loudly). And I like digital recording rigs and IRs and all that, but I've missed that *fun* of plugging into an amp and being in the room with it. (Here is the cabinet video I mentioned. It's metal, so it probably isn't for everyone, but it does illustrate the difference the cabinets and construction make.) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbiIa7OrtrrNZXU.html
@billsstudio2528 4 жыл бұрын
In a band context, IMO a 1x12 is a bit boxy...leads are okay but overall, especially if you are the only guitar player in a 4 piece, 2x12 is the best starting point IMO.
@777Yoni 6 жыл бұрын
I feel validated after being sickeningly reluctant to traipse down this rabbit hole too far. Really great video this week. Thank you much.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Bruce!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Bruce!
@CF-rw3uf 6 жыл бұрын
Another great episode, I love that 1x12 myself! I would love to see a show that pits original pedal vs new pedal. A comparison of "signature sounds" and how to get that sound on a budget with today's pedals. Run it all on the Wampler Bravado!
@lukepowell1201 6 жыл бұрын
I am thrilled to see this! I know I'm not the only one, but how cool is it you guys made an episode I had specifically asked for?! This was really revealing and informative! I do wish you guys had a 1x15 to throw in the mix! I think the next step would be to cover popular speak cab combinations! I currently have a stereo rig where I use a 1x15 with a port city closed back 2x10 and I love it.
@EphICanIMite 5 жыл бұрын
I have an Avatar 2 x 10 combo cab(can either be closed or partially open) with one Celestion Alnico Blue and one Alnico Gold. I don't know why... but it sounds awesome!
@brianmartin6808 2 жыл бұрын
Cause it cost 600$
@GuitarG123 Жыл бұрын
The 112 cab sounds great,is the 112 at 24 mins an open back or closed back cab?
@zdsminorz 6 жыл бұрын
Terrific job ! Such perfect timing as I’m shopping for a cabinet. Thank you!
@tweedguitar9103 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great show on speakers and cabs guys. Mick, I like you're idea to go with the EV inspired speakers in the two rock cab, can't wait to hear the whole system in full flight and telling the story of your nice new board . Looks like a great system. cheers.
@kadinnui2282 6 жыл бұрын
Holy, thanks for playing Outshined!
@grantdickey 6 жыл бұрын
How about an episode called That Chord Show and you talk about chord selection and your thought process? #Nashville needs you!!!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Eeee, that would be a Dan only show. He knows expensive chords. I only know idiot chords. :0)
@grantdickey 6 жыл бұрын
That Pedal Show thank you for the reply! Yes that's my problem too😘 Uhh it just happens.
@karllongbottomguitars9192 6 жыл бұрын
Look up Eric Haugen on KZfaq , he is in my opinion the best guitar teacher out there on KZfaq, his lessons are aimed at intermediate and above level of player, linking chord shapes (different inversions, extended chords etc) to scales and the caged system with the emphasis on helping you think for yourself. Look Eric up, I'm sure that you won't be disappointed .
@grantdickey 6 жыл бұрын
Karl Longbottom Dude thank you very much! Cheers😘
@karllongbottomguitars9192 6 жыл бұрын
Grant Dickey, your welcome, hope you enjoy, Eric is the man .I'm just learning a Hendrix version of Mack the knife, I never would have thought that I would be interested in Mack the knife, but hey when it's done like Hendrix it takes on a new life. All the best Karl
@patrickb3064 6 жыл бұрын
Great show guys! Informative as always. I am hoping you will do a show on biasing your amplifier. Have a great weekend!
@GazCal 6 жыл бұрын
Great Video. very informative. I put a G12-H 75 Creamback into my Marshall DSL401 (2008) a few years back and it changed it so much for the better, sounds lovely and has that heavy magnet oomf that sounds so great for classic rock. Also very articulate.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
It’s my fave Celestion speaker for my tastes. Mick here. Had no idea it would work in a Marshall... nice.
@johnbradford2892 6 жыл бұрын
If you guys had Danish Pete on the show, I would watch it 10,000x.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
We’ll hold you to that when he’s on. :0)
@andersstriberger6547 6 жыл бұрын
If you dont have time, i can watch half of them👍🏼
@invsibl_monstrs 6 жыл бұрын
Everybody has a crush on Danish Pete!
@ront8270 6 жыл бұрын
Is this Danish Pete
@tulk3747 6 жыл бұрын
Purple vs. Red Tele !!!!
@urbanesoul8400 6 жыл бұрын
Hendrix used a 4x10 to record Voodoo Child - saw it in an interview with Eddie Kramer. I prefer a 2x12 to play live; the Traynor Dark Horse cab has tilted Celestion greenbacks. Use a Marshall head tho.
@BOTiTTE 5 жыл бұрын
Voodoo chile was recorded with a bassman right.
@kingfisher7960 3 жыл бұрын
Hendrix used a 4x10 for everything. Hes pretty famous for it.... After all he did have 2 people holding his 4x12 cab for him at Monterey. People dont understand that back then they didnt have 5000watt PA systems. That front line was it! Thats all they had.
@TheRealcdawg22 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingfisher7960 200 Watt Marshall Majors!
@Jakexx01 6 жыл бұрын
More info than any human being can thoroughly process in a single viewing. Thanks, now I won't feel guilty watching this one repeatedly! Great video.
@MrNocaster 6 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to hearing the '52 Tele through the Lazy J. I'm sure it'll sound amazing! Great video guys.
@sethchenko 6 жыл бұрын
Needs some more Earthquaker, OBNE & Wren & Cuff love :))))
@chaz32 6 жыл бұрын
18:37 - To Dan "it's like having a bass guitar" - you should try my 135 watt vibrosonic with the 15 inch speaker =D that thing can kick out octave down like nobody's business
@miosz9007 4 жыл бұрын
I play a 2x15 with old Fane speakers and just love their slow, warm, dark sound. And of course that they rip your head off in that charming way.
@marklangley217 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome show as ever. 57:21 Suddenly Adam Jones is in the house :-) Man that Krakken is epic. And gotta say it's closed back all the way for me. Better start saving for that Krakken (amp/cab) then!
@genol9679 6 жыл бұрын
This episode and the episode where you discussed properly powering your pedalboard have been the most useful for me, thanks for this!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Hooray!
@Rolf_D 6 жыл бұрын
Please try the new Fane Ascension A60 Alnico Speakers!
@ahall3823 4 жыл бұрын
I preferred the 1x12 creamback over the wgs 12”
@maatmanninen3394 6 жыл бұрын
Many insights on cabs, thanks! I would love to see a discussion on bedroom playing volumes with your gigging amp, etc.
@sempercompellis 6 жыл бұрын
yesssssss, i have been waiting for and have requested this exact topic. You guys are the best
@markpierson7125 6 жыл бұрын
It's funny that Dan's favorite cabinet combination is a 1x12 open back, but he can't remember 'Blues Jr.' to save his life.
@nylonsteel 3 жыл бұрын
2x10 cuts live imo ,sometimes that low frequency isnt always needed in a band and its more immediate attack,2x12 has more squish. ,Megadeth or Albert Lee,I will take both :)
@svenjohnson6629 6 жыл бұрын
Loved this episode for a number of reasons, not the least of which because I've just started getting into impulse responses. As a gigging guitar player that also does some front of house work I've found that bad speakers/cabs sound bad no matter what you do to it, but a cheap amp into a good cab can sound pretty good. And that much of the sound is in pushing the speaker the way it wants to be pushed and getting the mic in the right spot. All the fancy guitars and 100 watt Marshall heads and mogami cables in the world won't help if you're using the wrong speakers/cab or if your mic position is wack. what I take home from this episode it's that 1 - different speakers sound different 2 - different cab designs sound different 3 - small cabs and big cabs can both sound great 4 - there's no real "magic combination" beyond finding the right cab that works for you and for the venue you're playing in
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
We would agree Sven - thanks for sharing that. Everything matters - we keep saying it and one by one people are getting it! (It’s not just us, but y’know...) Thanks for watching!
@douglaslegnola2266 6 жыл бұрын
This show is just awesome! Every week is just amazing.
@singhravneet96 6 жыл бұрын
It ain't ball tampering, it's relicing.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
YES!
@apeekaboo 6 жыл бұрын
Yes! Outshined!!!
@sharpbends 6 жыл бұрын
Great episode, so glad you emphasized the experience, environment and variables and deliberately didn't attempt to control them with looping etc. I have a couple of closed back EV12's in a home stereo, they sound awesome, BUT only in the right room and only when the Mrs is out and the neighbors are away ! ( Sadly the room isn't quite right either ;-)
@nurk_barry 3 жыл бұрын
I use a Marshall 1960b and I love it to death, never owned a different 4x12 but yeah, I had a moment yesterday when nobody was home and I cranked up the orange micro dark through it and it sounded glorious, that bass like he talks about in the video is just so satisfying. I’m about to build my own ported 212 in the next month or two. Wish me luck!
@JH-kd6hs 5 ай бұрын
Good luck!
@nathansturgess92 6 жыл бұрын
Thought something other than 'fffffffundamentally' was coming out when you were on about crap cabs, Mick.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Had to think about. Quick, turn left!
@MR1JUNO 5 жыл бұрын
What about angles of speakers? Like cabinet tilted. Does this help with better sound projection?
@hoboroadie 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, if the speaker is nearby. I have tilt-back legs on my tweed so I, too, can hear what I am playing.
@billsstudio2528 4 жыл бұрын
Added comment from below-- In my home studio I have a variety of amps similar to you guys = AC30, Friedman Small Box head, 68 Custom Deluxe RI, /13 head with 2-EL84/2-6V6 switchable. So, except for high gain, most flavors. I recently got my 3rd 2x12. This one matches my Smallbox. A Friedman 2x12 closed back with V30's. Never cared for V30's but took a gamble on having to return if I didn't like em. ....I like em! When paired with the Smallbox it sounds very nice, even the cleanish Plexi Channel. Other 2x12's I own and love: /13 2x12 with greenbacks...Avatar 2x12 with G12H30 and Alnico Blue... However, if I wanted to record, the Friedman 1x12 Celestion M65 would be first choice. BUT to take to a gig the 2x12 with closed back IMO, would will fill the room better. Just a subjective note; in a small studio room, say 25 feet by 14 feet, a 1x12 seems best for me. For larger and with band 2x12 and for a club 2x12 or 4x12. These days it's hard to justify using up car/van space for 4x12.
@omiska 6 жыл бұрын
First of all, as a Croatian bloke, I am really really happy to see the Boonar make a Cameo appearance in this instalment of TPS! Second of all, here I was waiting for Friday to inform you about the new Danelectro line of pedals as something you might wanna check out as an affordable and cool thing to consider for guitar playing folk subscribed to your channel ( silly me thinking I know something you don't). I adore the new design, I think it's one of the sexiest pedal casings in recent years and love the two-tone retro paint scheme! (could do without the little lit up B and just go for a nice LED/bulb in it's stead...) Most of all, thank you for attempting to elaborate on what is a true challenge and a really complex subject, although you just skimmed the surface of everything that is cabinet/speaker related, you did an outstanding job of it mixed in with a bit of Dan & Mick shenanigans to keep it fun and interesting! Cheers from Croatia! P.S. I am currently waiting for a package containing a Pedaltrain Terra 42 (with wheeled tour case), an MXR 10 Band Equalizer Silver, a Xotic Ep Booster RD and some other accessories to boot... This marks the end of the years-long planning/saving/buying phase and the beginning of first stage mock-up assembly of my dream pedalboard! Needless to say, it will be both a huge board and a monumental task! I must say that without your advice and help and your tone hacks and tips my job would be much harder and less enjoyable! So thanks again for all that you have done for the community and for your time and effort, you truly are a huge influence, a help and an inspiration in my sonic pursuit of happiness! Your kind word, and advice is a big part of my week and my musicianship and I hope you stop and reflect every now and then because you truly have something to take pride in! Thank you!
@BlueSkyDogs 6 жыл бұрын
I use 2 4x12's. Just because i can!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
YES!
@CorbCorbin 6 жыл бұрын
Savage! Do the walls and windows rattle, or do you have a soundproof studio too?
@nathansturgess92 6 жыл бұрын
Alright, calm down Jimi 😀
@powdermnky007 6 жыл бұрын
I have a new Marshall DSL40CR with its stock 1x12. And it has so much bass at like 3 or 4 on the master volume its rattling multiple walls. Crazy. :)
@gordof1991 6 жыл бұрын
You are an absolute hero!! Not having to worry about potential deafness must be wonderful :P
@GitShiddy 6 жыл бұрын
"The pine was petrified" "Must have been terrified" I'm thinking more like torified. ;)
@TheDogPa 6 жыл бұрын
'torrefied' (which refers to alteration by heat, not age).
@hoboroadie 5 жыл бұрын
I have some 1x12 pine that's been bookshelves since 1965. Lots, fortunately, as I want several boxes.
@markboettcher9412 2 жыл бұрын
I learn a ton from your show. Thank you so much for all the effort!
@MisterTee 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve gone through a ton of 2x12 cabs and, surprisingly, settled on an EVH with one 70th anniversary speaker and a heritage large magnet Greenback with the 55hz cone. It works for everything I’ve thrown at it.
@dbo4506 4 жыл бұрын
Mick - what’s the smallest cab I can get away with that will sound ok... Me - how many 412s and Amps can I run at the same time in a standard bedroom 🤔
@miosz9007 4 жыл бұрын
Your neighbours should think about earthquake insurance...
@yoshi-808 6 жыл бұрын
Lessons to be learned at TPS: - Tape delays NEED a Tape - Leslies NEED a rotating speaker - Guitar cabs NEED four chassis
@shreeshsk 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. Cleared so many things up for me.
@ferrinbonn 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, can't believe the difference between the open and closed back cabs at the end. That's nuts. Great show as always!
@MrACangusyoungDC Жыл бұрын
Miced!
@raytorvalds3699 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 4x12 and I don't gig. I use it in a 36 square meter room with a Laney IRT60H.
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
We love you Roy!
@raytorvalds3699 6 жыл бұрын
I love you too Mark and Don ;) I don't play it too loud very often. I don't want to end up with tinnitus. I use a dB meter and a table with amount/exposure time and when it becomes damaging. But when I crank it for a bit, it feels amazing.
@mattullo 6 жыл бұрын
Ray Torvalds lmao the first sentence of that comment made my day :'D
@fullmetalsal 5 жыл бұрын
That Pedal Show aka That Rabbit Hole 🐇
@83draconian 6 жыл бұрын
Great job on this episode, guys! Very informative
@brandonkruse6412 6 жыл бұрын
Speakers and cabinet sizes are two huge tone variables that a lot of people don't understand. My 1x12 Swart has a Celestion Creamback in a very narrow combo cab. A lot of people think it sounds "boxy" but when I mic it in a band setting, the narrow, cutting midrange sits perfectly with the drums.
@grahamkelly8299 5 жыл бұрын
I sold my 4x12, like an idiot, and now i have a 2x12 on a stand that takes up more space on stage....
@heythere6983 2 жыл бұрын
That’s pretty hilarious
@voxpathfinder15r 6 жыл бұрын
Theoretically, whenever you double the speakers - you are getting a 3 dB increase in volume, mostly in the low end. There are variables that will eat away at this figure. But as you go from 1 speaker to 2 speakers, you have a 3 dB increase in volume, double that again and you have another 3 dB. So by the time you have a two 4x12 speaker cabs on top of each other - you have a total of 9 dB increase in volume, theoretical maximum, over the single speaker. Again this is mostly happening in the lower frequencies like 500 Hz and below. But this also improves the efficiency of your amp, you can dial out more and more bass frequencies and shift more of that energy in the power section over to mids and highs. If you don't believe this is true - try your little favorite 15 watt combo amp and use it as a head to a stack of two 4x12 speaker cabs - and it will be a monster in volume!
@thesjkexperience 5 жыл бұрын
You get a 3db increase no matter the efficiency of the speakers? I do love that natural chorusing sound of 2 or more speakers in a cab but it keeps getting louder and heavier.
@voxpathfinder15r 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesjkexperience yes 3dB increase with identical efficiency speakers
@rossmillington4959 4 жыл бұрын
Another MASSIVE variable is directionality, if you get an cab on a cab stand pointing directly at you're head vs level on the floor, the tonal difference can be crazy, hence the importance of mic placement when recording amps. Great vid guys
@gitarmats Жыл бұрын
I've only played combos and modelers all my life, so this was really interesting and informative for me. Thanks!
@matthallmusic 6 жыл бұрын
Just for once, I challenge you guys to open the show with a non-pentatonic riff. C'mon you can do it!
@ThatPedalShow 6 жыл бұрын
Not me - impossible! I literally don’t know anything else. Mick here. Maybe Dan can open the shows. Cheers!
@forester057 6 жыл бұрын
matthallmusic The pentatonic just sounds good man. Go play some jazz man 😉✌🏼
@matthallmusic 6 жыл бұрын
Ha ha. Good on you Mick. Thanks for all the vids 😄
@Will_M600 6 жыл бұрын
noice
@PFDarkside 6 жыл бұрын
Going in, we all know different speakers will sound different. However, the closed back vs open back demo was eye opening, it made just as big a difference! Great show as usual.
@wantobeone4798 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. Another quality show.
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