The 1800 Pattern Baker Rifle: A Tale of Two Bakers
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@rays.5764 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Monty Python humor translates quite well to this channel.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear!
@TheArmourersBench 2 жыл бұрын
Never thought I wanted to see the Baker figure target do the Cancan but now I know I did. Fabulous as always chaps.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
At least there was some redeeming feature of it all! Cheers, Matt.
@Schlachtschule 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo! The differences in practice at the Platoon Drill, exacerbated by the pin in the touchhole method, really showed themselves. Still, a damned fine show by both, and two wonderful rifles. Thank you very much for sharing.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly two styles of shooting for sure!
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
I unfortunately have to abide by range rules and the beady eyes of the Schützenmeister are never far when I’m wreaking havoc on his spotless range with my toys.
@Schlachtschule 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap those damned range officers--don't they know this is about *history*? We have the moral high ground!
@mikehoare6093 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap which kind of lube do you use ?
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikehoare6093 Prelubed Oxyoke patches. For the cartridge it’s 50/50 beeswax/goose fat.
@nlwilliamsj 2 жыл бұрын
This has made me even more excited to get my Pennsylvania long rife to the range, which I'm almost done building and finishing. Its similar in function to the Baker but half a mile longer in barrel length.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@davidwalker6887 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful slow motion footage of the flint strike and subsequent ignition of the powder. What a fine firearm the Baker was. Well done Gentleman 👍
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@Tls1133 2 жыл бұрын
No Baker in my collection...yet..., although, I do have a nice example of a P1837 2-groove Brunswick Rifle I acquired from IMA - something the Baker eventually evolved into. Mated with a belted ball mold from the Tanners, she shoots very well. I love these types of videos, good work!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@oldman2477 2 жыл бұрын
*"Now that's soldiering."*
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DJTheMetalheadMercenary 2 жыл бұрын
Haha that intro was great, I enjoy your sense of humor bud. Beautiful Bakers and impressive rapid fire/ loading technique.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jamesbrisendine 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you realize i *had* to watch your video before heading to bed, thusly negatively effecting how much sleep i will get tonight. Well worth it though, because your channel (as well as Chap and Bloke) is fantastic.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Well if you were looking to fall asleep,.....
@ktgiffin8147 2 жыл бұрын
I love the patina on the waxed jacket Rob's rocking.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! It's seen some service!
@p99guy 2 жыл бұрын
It seems as popular as the Baker becomes everytime Sharpes Rifles Shows on a new network, that some Italian Blackpowder rifle replica company would make a decent recreation available… but so far someone wanting a shootable Baker Has to jump though all kinds of hoops To try to peice one together from sources that vary in quality. I was surprised the Mexican Army had Baker rifles at the Battle of the Alamo.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Mexicans followed closely the Army construct of the British Army.
@johnthomas7517 2 жыл бұрын
You keep upping the production values of your videos, it's much appreciated.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@RonOhio 2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me that such an important historical rifle is not offered by one of the Italian replica makers. When the Sharpe's books went to film I thought for sure we would get a proper replica.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps in the making...
@niklasaskham4208 2 жыл бұрын
That is a very dapper man. Oh yes very dapper indeed
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@seandahl8441 2 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to part 2 and the future
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
More to come!
@alwaysbearded1 2 жыл бұрын
You had me laughing so hard my child was wondering what happened. They know a bit about python so got the reference. Great presentation and comparison. Now for part two!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Cheers!
@MrRedbeard762 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and entertaining, great work, thank you.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@jamesbromstead4949 2 жыл бұрын
Hazar! Very respectable and very informative. To Britishmuzzleloaders: Cheers, and to The Chap Sante!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Tadicuslegion78 2 жыл бұрын
It's *cue the theme song* Britishmuzzleloaders flying Circus
@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын
‘Liberty Bell’ which, curiously enough, is also the official marching music of the Intelligence Corps.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Used before but not this time....
@ogilkes1 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of smoke! I like these international joint projects. Nice one.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@jim99west46 2 жыл бұрын
A Harry Lauder song might be next.....and you may have the only 1800 Casio G Shok watch in existence. All in all another fine effort!
@joebudde3302 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to come by,.... No, you can't have it.
@VosperCDN 2 жыл бұрын
Love these collaborations, and who doesn't want to see a Baker rifle in action across two continents.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@majinojinn 2 жыл бұрын
"Take that diaper off!" I died laughing.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@CFArmouredCrewman 2 жыл бұрын
Dammit Rob you’re teasing me. The rifle shop has charged my credit card for my Baker and then has gone completely radio silent. Keep up the videos though keeps my excitement going waiting for my kit to arrive!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
That's to be expected... just forget about it and in about a year, it'll show up... Mine did!
@geegaw14 Жыл бұрын
Just got mine two weeks ago after 26 months from placing the order. They charged my credit card for the rifle about a year after placing the order and then again for shipping another year after that. I received No responses to multiple emails and voice messages throughout the whole period. I suspect Covid may have effected things, but I have heard that lengthy delays are par for the course with them. Having said all that, the delivered product looks excellent and appears to be a quality product. I am really looking forward to finally getting to build it and shoot it. There will then be at least two Bakers in B.C. Then.
@CFArmouredCrewman Жыл бұрын
@@geegaw14 Funny enough I got mine just about a week ago as well. Now to try to drag out as much reference material on constructing it as I can find.
@jamiewiley6853 2 жыл бұрын
that opening shot was a very strong vibe. Hints of wanderer over a sea of fog
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@chrisgibson5267 2 жыл бұрын
"....And having replenished the ballbag, he then lubricated the patches....And now for something completely different....."
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@ZenSpider40 2 жыл бұрын
Just Glorious.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын
Sterling work the pair of you. Thank you et merci Rob and Fab. J'attends la deuxième partie!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup!
@burndownachurch 2 жыл бұрын
So I’m a paleolithic archaeologist and my big focus is on stone tools, I think part of what fascinates me about these weapons is fact that this ancient technology is still being used. But a question is have is, in the field if your flint starts to become worn would a soldier retouch their flint to get the right surface back? Would they carry a tool for this or would something like one of loose bullets to the trick? Love these videos man, entertainment and experimental archaeology perfectly mixed together!
@wierdalien1 2 жыл бұрын
Have a couple of flints in your pocket, quicker to just swap them
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Knapping was don to a degree, but every man carried a supply of flints.
@kanrakucheese 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that where the word “skinflint” comes from? It means excessively frugal, suggesting it was doable but not normal or perceived as worth the effort.
@ColoursofGreen 2 жыл бұрын
@@wierdalien1 From experience, much quicker to knap. tbh. Your turn screw works fine along the edge of the flint. To change flint you need the unscrew, remove flint (and not lose the lead grip) fumble for your flint from the pocket in the cartridge pouch), set the flint into the lead grip, hold in place as you screw down whilst making sure the edge of the flint is full on to the frizzen. In theory, you don't have the many flints (you're only issued with 3). I've know guys keep a flint going for sometime by simply knapping it back to life.
@ColoursofGreen 2 жыл бұрын
They should have a turn-screw so as to be able to loosen the 'jaw screw' (the screw at the top of the lock that grips down onto the jaws that hold the flint). Drawing the cock to half-cock, the flint is easily accessible to be able to be tapped and knapped along it's edge. I can't imagine the ball itself would be of use as it's likely to be too soft, being made of lead.
@misiekmisuek4421 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Very informatives, never boring ,a hint of fun and sarcasm. Thank you and everyone involved. 💪💪💪💪💪💪👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear! Cheers!
@Someloke8895 2 жыл бұрын
Some....Sharpe...skills being shown here....although maybe not as many illegitimately born folk about as we're led to believe by Sean Bean.
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
I did think of exclaiming that I’d got the “bastid” after the 10 shot string but kept it child friendly
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Booo,... he who puns....
@Someloke8895 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Don't worry, I, like Sean Bean, am a Yorkshireman (albeit, North Yorkshire, none of that South Yorkshire stuff like). I'm also incredibly jealous of your firearm collection and uniforms.
@earlyriser8998 2 жыл бұрын
two good shots in different environments
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@morgs456 2 жыл бұрын
Has to be the most beautiful range in the world
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty lucky..
@morgs456 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders am sure luck has nothing to do with it. All the best mate
@_Steve_W 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@mrscalliwag4152 2 жыл бұрын
As per usual, top notch content! Please keep up the great work! Your dedication and passion shines through on every video and is very much appreciated! 👍
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Very Kind!
@bc30cal99 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from a couple valleys east of you, it's been a cool spring here too. Thanks for the video again, it's always educational and entertaining. All the best.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@slowhand1198 2 жыл бұрын
Most enjoyable. I would expect no less!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@mycroft1905 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, enjoy the silliness and green trousers (serious business, that). I think those other two have been in ultra-serious Switzerland for too long. Though to be fair, I have discovered a Swiss standup club, several Swiss comedians and my old Swiss colleague was a riot (had a habit of producing a plastic pig from the pack while in the field surveying rare and endangered birds; squeaked when squeezed... the pig not my colleague %~))
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@wrxs1781 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video, I am sure the humid misty mountain weather was not the best for ignition.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, but things went along ok.
@brianfoster4434 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Quite interesting.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@ptonpc 2 жыл бұрын
A great video as always.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mpersad 2 жыл бұрын
Just outstanding! Great video Rob.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@donaldneill4419 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Congrats to both of you!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@mackattack0362 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video from a great channel!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Batstard556 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are keeping me sane while I slog through the last bit of School left. Thanks mate!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@viperscot1 2 жыл бұрын
Hazzar Hazzar excellent informative quality content from you both Cannot wait to see part 2 Bestest from Scotland 😁😁😁
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@NomadShadow1 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool, Excellent content as always! Been thinking recently about getting into shooting muzzleloaders due in no small part to your videos
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear!
@itatane 2 жыл бұрын
If I ever have the wad of cash for one, I will definitely...Plunkett down in a heartbeat. Oh, and a quick question : Since the Baker was still lingering on in service with Mexico when the Minié ball was developed, would there be a measurable difference in speed and accuracy? (Probably -hard- impossible to find a .62 caliber minié mould to test the thought.)
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
The rifling and twist is not designed for minié so I don’t expect it would produce good results at all.
@itatane 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the reply, Chap. Cheers!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there.... Round ball still in use in Mexico....
@itatane 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders I just reread my post, and I forgot a key part of my hypothetical... that is, I bloody forgot to state that it was a hypothetical! Based upon "what if" ("If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass.") a country decided modernize the Baker with percussion lock, or just flat out copy them. However, upon further research, (thanks to you and Chap for the motivation, by the way), I had no idea of how glacial the twist of Baker rifling was. (One turn in 120 inches... woof.) The fact that most rifles would have been worn out by the time Minie or Nessler balls came into being compounds my stupidity in asking a what if question. My apologies.
@SKNAZIR-sx1th 2 жыл бұрын
Best flintlock rifle for ever. Thanks for uploading new video.
@theoriginaldylangreene 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool subject of Her Majesty's Realm. When I fart it sounds like Rule, Britannia!. But even I can concede that the Kentucky Long-Rifle was more accurate in the period.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@jmullner76 2 жыл бұрын
Salute to the Most Dapper
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@occasionalmarksman4865 2 жыл бұрын
The Chap and the BritishMuzzleloader, two great flavors that blend well together. I wish Rob had worn his bearskin hat and kilted parade dress uniform for the rapid practice; he would have looked magnificent in that backdrop of fog and low hanging burnt powder smoke.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Or perhaps the rifle green,... more appropriate maybe...
@ghotiiii1 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Rifleman Thomas Plunkett chuckled "... ho ho, look at the smoke!" before killing Brigadier General Colbert-Chabanais from 600 yards at the Battle of Cacabelos.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Well, he didn't shoot that far, sure enough.....
@99IronDuke 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thehistoadian 2 жыл бұрын
Epic
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel 2 жыл бұрын
Intro 😂 and love the history
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@tsmgguy Жыл бұрын
50 meters? That's an Imperial French measurement. Riflemen are spinning in their graves! Yards man, yards!
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Yup...
@kieranfitz 2 жыл бұрын
O'er hills and o'er the main, Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Been there...
@snappers_antique_firearms 2 жыл бұрын
Those are a quite fetching pair of trousers
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@johnqpublic2718 2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@1.forestrunner 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to be in front of that rifle, so a shout out to the target. Still the question remains why is that target in underwear??? Well done Gentlemen, love your content!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Typical of period artwork I suppose.
@distracteach 2 жыл бұрын
I don't even want to know how much time was spent on that intro! 😂
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Good, I'm too embarrassed to tell...
@bigsarge2085 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@briankerr4512 2 жыл бұрын
I shoot so much my ball bag never gets replenished ...
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@steamboatmodel 2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does the Baker figure look like our Prime Minister to anyone else?
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Leave that out of it....
@kevlarandchrome 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned using shortening, what was originally used for the patch lube when the rifle was in service?
@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын
Bees wax and tallow.
@kevlarandchrome 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnfisk811 That's about what I was assuming, thank you.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Tallow.
@kevlarandchrome 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you for the answer.
@patstrzeszewski3240 Жыл бұрын
What is the second type of baker Called?
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
"1805 Pattern"?
@rickbates9232 11 ай бұрын
Do you get an annual lung x-ray due to so much shooting with black powder ?
@britishmuzzleloaders 11 ай бұрын
No I do not…
@STMwoodturning 2 жыл бұрын
Rob, have you ever used your Baker for hunting North American big game?
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
I have not, but on the list...
@brittakriep2938 2 жыл бұрын
Isn' t the Baker rifle simply a british version of german military Jägerbüchse? When i am right, the swordbayonnet would be military version of Hirschfänger.
@ColoursofGreen 2 жыл бұрын
The style of the weapon is very much in the fashion of earlier German (poss even Dutch?) rifles. It's the rifling in the barrel that is Ezekiel Baker's contribution.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
It is of that lineage, yes...
@paparalph3273 2 жыл бұрын
Chap, where did you get your "Victorian Rifleman" patch?
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
A long long time ago. It’s literally taken me 10 years to finally see it on something 😆 I know smaller velcro ones are available out there.
@paparalph3273 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the reply. *&^%$ RATS --- I hoped that there was a source for the "VR" patch. I have the Velcro patch but I do NOT like Velcro patches. They can be stolen way too easily.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
If you go to the Forum, there might be a link there.
@MrOlgrumpy 2 жыл бұрын
Is one of those a jelly roll baker ?
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@astondriver 2 жыл бұрын
can i ask why round ball and not Minie?
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
Rifling style and twist rate are designed for PRB.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of defeats the purpose...
@astondriver 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders sorry, don't mean to sound disrespectful. I thought the minie was more accurate.
@astondriver 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap thanks, now I understand
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
@@astondriver No disrespect taken, at all. It's just the Baker was a patched round ball rifle from the patched round ball era.... The 'minie' is an 1850s technology and the Baker is late 1700s tech.... so of like wanting to put a turbine or electric motor in a Shelby Cobra, if you are a car guy.... "just not right" 😀
@mikethomas5510 2 жыл бұрын
Have you 2 got anymore comparable firearms?
@thebotrchap 2 жыл бұрын
afaik that’s the only one.
@occasionalmarksman4865 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebotrchap Time to go shopping and beat the credit card up a bit Chap, Historical research demands it!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
I think that's it...
@tamjacobite4758 Жыл бұрын
A Terry Gilliam in the making?
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Trying....
@ENIGMAXII2112 Жыл бұрын
UUMMNNnnn, this seems rather quite odd. Must have been all that IPA me drank down night past.
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Must be.
@alan-sk7ky 2 жыл бұрын
It's...
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@ditzydoo4378 2 жыл бұрын
What? No hilarity you say??? o~0 well then, I must be at the wrong web site... nothing for it then I guess, one must muddle through... ^~^ And no, please do not take off the Nappy.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@johnstacy7902 2 жыл бұрын
Bernard Cromwell would be disappointed...
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, how's that?
@salty4496 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@mikehoare6093 2 жыл бұрын
I fear, Bakers are gonna be all you will be shooting in the future........
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Time will tell.
@gortbot7748 2 жыл бұрын
The target has a Trudeau coif and babyface. Coincidence? You be the judge.
@kieranh2005 2 жыл бұрын
They just need to recolor the face with boot polish.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Let's stick to shooting....
@gortbot7748 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders: We're not advocating shooting anyone. 100% completely peaceful.
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
@@gortbot7748 Never thought otherwise,.... just no politics or hint of it.... thanks!
@coastie1961 11 ай бұрын
Mr Sharpe would not be happy with you gentlemen, more practice required, 3 rounds in 60 seconds for the rifles.
@britishmuzzleloaders 11 ай бұрын
Actually, he was instructing men on the musket....
@coastie1961 11 ай бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders it was a little tongue in cheek......
@britishmuzzleloaders 11 ай бұрын
@@coastie1961 So was I.... 😀
@kearnsey64 2 жыл бұрын
Rob was in much damper conditions in my opinion. Just saying!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@williamwade9381 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like an interesting topic, but between the annoying intro and the halted speech, I couldn't stand more than three minutes.
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 ай бұрын
That’s ok. Cheers.
@Afro408 2 жыл бұрын
Enough of this frivolity! 🤨🥸
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@vincetytler6175 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers V!
@criscross6591 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
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britishmuzzleloaders
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