The 2023 Toyota Sienna Is Good But It Has One FATAL Flaw!

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We take a look at the 2023 Toyota Sienna Hybrid which in my opinion is the best version of the Sienna minivan ever! However in 2023 it does have one fatal flaw that could shy a lot of people from buying one.
In this video we do a thorough review of the 2023 Toyota Sienna. We talk about some of it's technical specifications.
Then we look at the inside, outside, then we address some common issues and how they've progressed and finally we address one fatal flaw that's affecting the sienna in 2023.
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Under The Hood
4:23 Under The Car
10:04 Exterior Tour
21:34 Interior Tour
29:07 Common Problems
33:33 The Fatal Flaw
35:31 Should You Buy One?

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@jposerio2433 Жыл бұрын

In Los Angeles, Northridge Toyota refused to drop their markups of $ 6000-12,000 for their Sienna. Their marketing is deceptive. They will make you sign a precontract agreement to get you the car within 1-2 months to secure the allocation but charge you unreasonable markups. They claim their inventory is low by keeping their dealership lot empty so they can set you up for a trap. I just walked away.

@hctim96 Жыл бұрын

"markups of $ 6000-12,000 " that's obcene...I guess it's easier than using a gun to rob you...Never, NEVER go to that dealership..

@zoomanx9661 Жыл бұрын

Northridge Toyota can eat 💩

@Dlyyzz Жыл бұрын

the sad truth is this Sienna MSRP is 4000 lower than highlander hybrid. So Toyota is making significantly less money on these models, which means Sienna is gonna be on backorder in most places. I wanted this vehicle for 3 yrs now but there was never a point you have any negotiation room at the dealership.

@seanryan7896 Жыл бұрын

Inventory is low…

@icosthop9998 Жыл бұрын

I would not pay it

@madamemimosa8325 9 ай бұрын

FYI for anyone wondering @20:35 when the middle row is pushed forward all the way, you get 6 FT of space to the rear. I’ve had mine for 2 full years and still love it. I average 38-41 mpgs in the warmer months, 32-36 in winter. ( Limited AWD w/ spare tire & roof rails)

@jeffjohanson3830 7 ай бұрын

A van like this should be able to load a 4x8 sheet of plywood easily or more big stuff easily. 6’ is really poor for something this large as is the design of non removable seats. Does Toyota not realize that is a very desirable feature people want? My daughter has the 2021 version Sienna and has both her middle seats permanently removed (she shows dogs and fills the entire back with crates and show stuff) and at least for the 2021 models you can buy an aftermarket dongle that plugs into the airbag connector that shuts off the dash warning light. I’m gonna guess someone has figured this out for the 22 and 23 models also. Still IMHO the seats should be quick release removable should you want to pop one or both back in as needed. Dumb move Toyota.

@onebrightflash 7 ай бұрын

6 feet of space in the back when the second seat is folded up won't allow you to haul a stack of 4x8 foot plywood. That kills it for me. Being able to have an open flat area is the reason I bought my first van, a 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager. Being able to haul a lot of people, sheets of plywood, lumber and make a sleeping bed in the back have always been my reasons for buying a van. If it can't do that, I will look elsewhere.

@jw8578 6 ай бұрын

What's the height inside, floor to ceiling. Curious if I can get bikes inside with other cargo. Tia

@Workingcockers 5 ай бұрын

I have a 2006 Sienna. I use my van to train and haul dogs….a lot of them. I keep my middle row seats in my garage. Not being able to remove the middle seats would be a deal breaker. Really, why would Toyota do this anyway?

@geedoubleu641 3 ай бұрын

@@jeffjohanson3830 I agree about the option of removing the seats, however, thinking that a minivan should be able to carry 4x8 sheets is goofy AF.

@benrhoads6406 4 ай бұрын

the inspiration of the front end of this Sienna is that of the famous bullet train in Japan. If you look at the front of the train you will see a likeness.

@dixonbuttes6564 Жыл бұрын

Wow! The non-removable back seats is a total dealbreaker for me. Being able to take out the middle row of seats turns the last model Sienna from a great people hauler, to a supreme utilitarian van that beats almost any pickup or SUV for moving stuff. Glad you made this video - nice work!

@derek2479 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that may make me back out of my July 2022 order. I have a 2012. It was fine when my children were kids, they're out of the house now and it's been almost exclusively a cargo van for 5 years with the 2nd row seats removed. Much more room than any SUV. I've even driven my sheep around in it. Toyota keeps taking stuff away. Like no heated side rear-view mirrors on my 2022 LE Corolla whereas my 2014 LE had them. Or the standard spare tire here. You don't DO that. Little nickel-and-diming adds up after a while and ticks me off.

@ronward1229 Жыл бұрын

Yep. Dealbreaker for us as well. We have the 2nd row seats out all the time in our 2015 Odyssey, and we also did with our 2004 Sienna. Both vans were great, but it will be another Ody for us when the time comes.

@hsew Жыл бұрын

It is still possible to remove the rear seats, just a bit less convenient.

@PattyKuluCakes Жыл бұрын

You can remove the second-row seats, although it’s not recommended because you’ll need to disconnect the seats’ side airbag wires and the airbag warning light will illuminate in the dash. I’d hate to mess around with airbag stuff.

@WJV9 Жыл бұрын

@@PattyKuluCakes - There are YT videos that show adding a resistor to the seat connector to turn off the airbag warning light. There is still a couple of small seat mounting brackets that stick up a bit higher than the floor but that could be covered with plywood floor covering.

@rightlanehog3151 Жыл бұрын

AMD, I am green with envy towards the lucky person who ends up with this Sienna. 😉😉 On the serious subject of availability, you really have to ask how Toyota can launch the Grand Highlander and Lexus TX from the same Princeton plant when they cannot come close to meeting the current demand for the Sienna and Highlander. 🤔

@18_rabbit Жыл бұрын

they prolly don't intend to be certain about all the Highlanders and Siennas, bcuz those are lower margin than Grand H and Lexus. This trend is what all the makers are doing including Honda which has not been producing base models at all! Terrible trend and likely part of the inflation numbers in total dollars terms. Horrific for america, which is not a country that has a great recent history of money-sense.

@jayhiggins5239 Жыл бұрын

Profit Margin

@DirtE30 10 ай бұрын

The two little fins beside the side mirrors actually do something. They keep the mirrors from making a howl or whistle from laminar air flow. The 2014 Tundras started having that issue after the facelift, Toyota added the little turbulence inducing fin and viola! No more noise.

@LouMcGowan 9 ай бұрын

Bro doesn't want to hear science and design. He's more about giving us empty glass pontifications. Seriously, how can anyone take this channel seriously when they make statements of absolution regarding subjects they have zero knowledge of. But I guess it worked, they got my click. FML

@cabaneencac5168 Ай бұрын

Just by looking we can clearly see that he is not an aerodynamicist to say that in addition the 'recessed' handles contribute to aerodynamics.

@fieldsofomagh Жыл бұрын

Good critical assessment from a techs perspective on the pros and cons of the toyota sienna. The interior and exterior have been thoroughly examined and critiqued to allow the future owner to evaluate how best it suits his or her requirements. The camera work was very decent and was sympathetic to the viewers observations. All in all a job very well done.

@appleforever6664 Жыл бұрын

My wife and I, we got lucky and bought our Sienna in Summer of 2021. Bought it for $47K for the XLE. We love the van. Only $15K left on the car loan with a 3% rate.

@tykays282 Жыл бұрын

Our Sienna is arriving next week... AFTER MORE THAN 15 MONTHS! We could have purchased a FWD much much sooner but for the AWD it has taken this long. And we had to upgrade the trim to Woodland Edition to get that. We are getting it for retail price so no markup which we are thankful for.

@adrianlo3228 Жыл бұрын

Congrats you can get your car next week! Mine LE AWD is still waiting I ordered it on 2021 and my dealer tells me that the car will not come this year! I am in Vancouver Canada.

@Carwashman2010 Жыл бұрын

@@adrianlo3228 You making payments on a vehicle you don’t have?

@adrianlo3228 Жыл бұрын

@@Carwashman2010 I just put the deposit only! I can take it back anytime if I decide not to wait anymore!

@ymy72579ify Жыл бұрын

My brother is still waiting after 2 years on xse trim

@adrianlo3228 Жыл бұрын

@@ymy72579ify Is your brother living in Canada? I heard from my dealer said if you use your car for business purpose like Uber then you will get it quicker! So frustrating!

@ip2435 8 ай бұрын

I removed second raw sit without a problem. All I have to do is imitate safety bag - 2.2 Ohm resistor.

@ronb6182 Ай бұрын

Oh really then you have tracks in the way to deal with. Then comes the warranty void. 73

@GlennAuman-fs7fz Жыл бұрын

We got waitlisted for a 2022 Sienna in February 2022 and after making some small trade offs on features that were on our nice to have list we got one in October of 2022. We do love the van and it is perfect for our family that we knew was expanding when we ordered it.

@josephracicot4443 Жыл бұрын

As the previous owner of a 2003 sienna, I love that placement of the spare tire. Definitely should come standard, but I guess if you are trying to save gas, whatever... I think that being prepared to handle a flat tire is more important. Also, that flimsy plastic cover over it is not acceptable they should have made a more durable little hinged door for it. It should have steel alloy rims at this price point for sure. A hub cap is a hub cap no matter what you call it, and they suck so bad, especially when you lose one. If the rav4 has steel alloy rims, then this van should have them for sure its a far superior vehicle than an suv in my opinion, I wish this van had real bumpers like the 2003 one. That one was a v6 it lasted 20 years, and I put 260,000 miles on it best vehicle I have ever owned.

@bibinbins Жыл бұрын

3 years in Toronto!!! I cancelled my booking after a year. Toyota you really messed up here .

@barryjoslin432 Жыл бұрын

We have a 2021 XSE and just drove over 2500 miles. Five people and three dogs. We've had three odysseys, but this Sienna was fantastic and we prefer it. And we got 32-33mpg doing 75-80 with both AC units on. We love the hybrid - around town we get 36-40mpg. We don't tow but the sienna never feels under powered. It is more than adequate our whole trip. It never struggles to get up to speed or to maintain speed.

@charlesjackson1700 Жыл бұрын

Best gas mileage in their class..

@francislandry3366 11 ай бұрын

That's right, I have 2021 LE I drove back and forth from Texas to Georgia with 5 and cargo full. Really love it 5 start on this vehicle. And I have the old one too 2005 with 200k miles on it still running great too.

@MYMYMY88227 9 ай бұрын

😂

@robertokong8904 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the very comprehensive review I appreciate everything in it. God bless you and your family

@Hawkeye20 Жыл бұрын

Have done a lot of research and had one on order since August, and I still learned about the condensation in the oil. Thank you.

@brentbeardsley655 Жыл бұрын

Still own and drive a 2004 Sienna with 201,000 miles. Quite simply the best vehicle I have ever owned. We bought it (reluctantly) when the kids were small for sporting events and summer trips. I quickly saw the benefits of a MV over an SUV. I have replaced a radiator and flex pipe. That's it. Never burns or leaks oil. Gave our son a 2005 Camry V6 and it is going strong at 151,000. Only bummers with these are timing belts instead of chains.

@jesusaguilar4585 Жыл бұрын

My mother used her 2004 Sienna for her drapery business. Extremely reliable and she loved it. After giving it to my sister and then getting it back after a few years, it was still in great condition and she used it as a primary vehicle after her business slowed down. It had about 300,000 until it got totaled in an accident. The regular maintenance was what kept it in great condition and I cannot remember any major repairs that were ever done.

@davecallender4038 Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed my 2005 sienna all the way to 350,000 and traded it in as a running well maintained van towards a new Venza. They made some great vans

@soniasmdm8496 11 ай бұрын

me too. my 2006 sienna minivan has around 220,000 i love it and unless i find a perfect 2023 minivan i won't give my old one away.

@dapperdoggy 10 ай бұрын

I have a 2008 sienna and love it. I'm the original owner and it has never had a problem. It only has 40,000 miles so I had to part with it, but I think some day I need to get a newer one.

@teresacorrigan3076 9 ай бұрын

We have a 2011. Love it. Always maintained it. Costs a bit at the mechanic but love how it drives

@matte8441 Жыл бұрын

I’m a Toyota tech here in Canada. The 12v battery drain was such an issue here in the winter these were being towed in nonstop. The fix was to replace the kick sensors for the power doors. My neighbour has one and I immediately disabled the kick feature and his battery issues were gone. I still think the Sienna has better quality than Honda and Chrysler vans.

@tigerrider6711 10 ай бұрын

The high voltage battery doesn’t help charge the 12V system when the van is turned on?

@matte8441 10 ай бұрын

@@tigerrider6711 The winters here can reach up to -30C so the batteries go flat just like that, hybrid or not. Most customers don’t drive long enough. The door control module also drains the battery while the car is off.

@Susan70003 9 ай бұрын

My daughters Sienna 23 let a rock thru the grille and put a hole in the radiator. Toyota did not put a protective mesh behind the grille in Sienna 2023. Beware. A 2 month old car.

@lindap.p.1337 Жыл бұрын

Your channel is great! Keep up the wonderful videos. I do not know much about cars but love my Toyotas for their reliability. I cannot tell you how many of your videos I watch. I appreciate your plain spoken advice!

@seanhepner7813 Жыл бұрын

2023 Sienna owner here - Thank you for making this thorough video with all the good information about how long things may last!!!

@nathanostroski4578 Жыл бұрын

I totally feel for everyone’s frustration! After 9 months on a waitlist, in absolute need of a new van, I have finally been allocated one for middle to end of next month. Each dealer plays by their own set of rules. Some are first come first serve, some won’t sell without a ridiculous amount of additional features that you don’t want but they force you to pay for, some won’t sell to anyone out of state, and some have ridiculous markups! We could’ve gotten one awhile ago if we wanted to drive 10 hours away and the markup: $15,000. Not a joke. My advice is to call as many dealerships as you can, and find one that refuses to charge “market adjustment fees”. I was fortunate enough to find a dealership near me that is like that.

@innersoul287 9 ай бұрын

Where ? I would like to get one around sticker price

@nathanostroski4578 9 ай бұрын

@@innersoul287 Serra Toyota Saginaw, MI

@calvinwan 9 ай бұрын

@@innersoul287Jim Bagan toyota Lake Tahoe they have a xle available to deliver in couple months.

@robertheinkel6225 9 ай бұрын

@@innersoul287my dealer in Florida, honors sticker price, and no markups. But, he will only order vehicles for customers in his area. My Sienna took 51 weeks to arrive.

@70newlife 7 ай бұрын

What happens if they say waitlist for parts and repairs ask you to pay 5000 for a 500 part with six month wait list. Boycott such companies.

@travishutts6008 Жыл бұрын

So true. We have been on wait list three months and they told us the same as you mentioned we will have to $10k over MSRP, if one ever does come in. We have three more months before we are able to get our deposit back. May have to go with a Honda Odyssey. Just need to convince the better half.

@charlesistheman Жыл бұрын

I love to watch your videos, I'm not in the market for a minivan but still watched the whole thing. I totally understand the "backorder" thing, my buddy ordered a 2023 4Runner and it took 11 months to come in....

@amae5711 11 ай бұрын

Awesome video/review. I am a mom of 3, love to drive. We have been wanting to trade our 2015 Highlander for ‘23 Sienna. It feels good to know that there are reviews like these that are mildly technical but very educational for moms like me who doesn’t know anything about cars but really do love to drive.

@msmoniz Жыл бұрын

We bought our 2019 Sienna in 2020, one year old with 40,000km because I had no interest with a hybrid system for my use case. Glad I did! Currently the same year and trim as my Sienna, ones with more mileage than mine currently have, they have gone UP as used cars! I've seen ones with more miles than I have, with asking prices $4-6000 MORE than what I paid for mine 3 years ago! Insane!

@atots8 Жыл бұрын

I got lucky and only waited 2 months because I made a million phone calls and it happened to call the right dealer on allocation day. The kick sensors for the sliding doors were a huge selling point for me. Holding my 18-month-old in my arms and my 4-year-old special needs son's hand with my other, it's so great to be able to open the door without letting go of his hand and having him potentially take off in a parking lot to get hit by a car (which he is apt to do if I let go of his hand). I'm so happy to be in this van that makes us feel so much safer when we leave the house 😀 not to mention all the safety features this has when compared to my 9-year-old CUV. Disappointed that couldn't Toyota put TSS 3.0 in the 2023 though. Thanks for another great video, helps me not regret my choice 😁

@coachBrandonF Жыл бұрын

And how much over MSRP did you pay to get one on Allocation Day?!

@SandiegoRockstar 26 күн бұрын

I'm so glad you got one before me. May Allah bless your children with goodness throughout their lives. Ameen.

@timbober1 Жыл бұрын

I love my 2004 Tacoma and my 2006 Corolla both with manual transmissions. Keep up the great work, wish I was local to you.

@RicardoATBarbosa 10 ай бұрын

Your videos have excellent content and the video/audio quality is top notch! Good job!

@deltabravo8175 3 ай бұрын

This is an exceptional video. You are doing a great service. I'm liking and subscribing.

@elizabethlyons300 Жыл бұрын

I ordered a 2022 Le plus package in March 2022 at MSRP, picked up my 2023 Le plus in Feb 2023 at MRSP. (~$500 More). To bad I love it. Dealership offered more to buy it back. Long time local reputable dealer.❤

@rightlanehog3151 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on having the brains and backbone to pay MSRP. 👏👏I hope the Sienna gives decades of reliable service.

@sauronthegreat5799 Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad I still have my 2013 sienna. It has removable 2 nd row seats. The spare tire is underneath the car. I have a middle seat that stashed away in the back. Very well designed car. Also smart looking.

@josephfeldano2558 10 ай бұрын

Best Video I have seen. Thank you for your Support of Finding a Great Vehicle. You have given the Opportunity to buy my Toyota Sienna. Cheers

@nicholasc2238 Жыл бұрын

As always, thankful for TCCN and his reviews. After sitting in one I immediately noticed how tall the front seats were. Felt like I was sitting on a phone book. Looking seriously at the odyssey, that v6 sounds amazing fitted to the ZF 9. Will miss the toyota reliability.

@tombomombodombo 8 ай бұрын

The 10 speed is better than the zf9. The zf9 has been noted as jerky

@cooldude672 8 ай бұрын

10 speed is smooth and good gas mileage. Can get 32mpg on highway

@johnnycaps1 Жыл бұрын

"Not the end of the world"... Hearing this is very encouraging considering what's going on in the world. Great info! Good job.

@jwestney2859 Жыл бұрын

Great review! Thorough and blunt. 37:35 "May the lord bless you and keep you". Shows his kind and giving spirit towards all people. I am a subscriber and I listen to these videos.

@stevee.2183 8 ай бұрын

Just subscribed! My wife & I just put in an order for a new Sienna XLE - we were told it’s at least a 9 month wait. As I was going through the build I realized that you can’t get the standard white in the XLE trim, Toyota forces you to pay up for the White Pearl color ($425). We wanted the Red first (which is Pearl only) and were going to settle with white till I saw we’d have to pay up either way, so we bit the bullet on that. Our dealer - Leith Toyota in Raleigh, NC does NOT charge over MSRP but you are forced into ordering your vehicle, no matter the model, with some options that the Southeast Toyota Distributors require. Compared to one of the other local dealers that was marking up their vehicles $2,500, it’s worth the wait. Thanks for the detailed review and God Bless!

@robgrossi2368 11 ай бұрын

I had this model when it came out in 2021 (since sold but only because I didn't need a van any longer). The one thing I want to mention as a fatal flaw concerns the OEM hitch, or any hitch for that matter. Because of the low body clearance AND because of the long overhang behind the back wheels, the hitch will absolutely hit asphalt in low to mid grades, whether a sloped driveway, some speedbumps, curbs, etc. It was extremely annoying how low the assembly is. I sent photos of the hitch being 1/2" off the ground as I attempted to enter someone's driveway, but, of course, they don't admit to a design flaw. If I had a bike rack installed, the whole thing would be well into the ground. Moral of the story, if a hitch is on top of your list, you may want to reconsider.

@jposerio2433 9 ай бұрын

Use Torklift Ecohitch Hidden Trailer Hitch. Better design and few inches higher on the ground compare from the Factory one.

@robgrossi2368 9 ай бұрын

@@jposerio2433 appreciate the suggestion, but it's not physically possible to be a few inches higher than the OEM at the lowest point, which is the RECEIVER. Even if a hidden hitch creeps up further into the chassis, its receiver is still exactly in the same location no matter what. Toyota screwed this design up and should have made the receiver poke out of a spot within the bumper, if anything. Anything below the bumper is waaaaay too low.

@J.W.W. 8 ай бұрын

Exactly why I’m ‘stuck’ driving a Highlander instead of the overall better Highlander. The rear end design of the sienna is terrible for 2” receiver hitches.

@jeffjohanson3830 7 ай бұрын

@@robgrossi2368 The Eco Hitch is indeed higher and you have to make a cut into the bumper cover for the receiver part. The bottom most point of the receiver is 10” from the ground. The other solution and what I would do if I owned one and Toyota should do as an option (not the silly Woodland edition) is install a 2” lift kit on the van. Available as an aftermarket product it significantly improves ground clearance and improves the look of this porky looking thing.

@joshm3342 5 ай бұрын

Just looked at torkliftcentral, 2021-24 Sienna EcoHitch. Photo shows under-bumper mount, appears to be 5 inches above ground. Please give info on the model that would be 10 inches above ground. Tnx!

@GrandHuevotes Жыл бұрын

13:00 those two air smoothers on the triangle absolutely do something. They help reduce turbulence by straightening the air flow which reduces drag. Manufacturers don’t spend on little things like that unless they see a return. Especially Toyota. They won’t spend one penny if they don’t see it necessary.

@garudabravo1733 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I've seen similar tiny fins on the 1st gen IS300/200. Although, some of them seem to be stuck on with an adhesive while the rest were molded into the body. Apparently they also help with some wind noise, but don't quote me on it.

@NotNowCato1254 9 ай бұрын

I would imagine small appendages like these are more to reduce wind noise than anything else?

@carol242 10 ай бұрын

You do such a great job of reviewing vehicles. Thank you very much!

@shannondelong3248 7 ай бұрын

This was very complete and informative. I have not seen anything so detailed. Thank you!

@elmirmisir-zada8470 Жыл бұрын

I'm in Twin Cities, MN and waited only a month for my Camry TRD which was being built in early March and I have so much respect for Walser Toyota for not using low inventory/high demand to charge me more. Love your videos, please keep making them

@rightlanehog3151 Жыл бұрын

Have you seen his TRD Camry review?

@elmirmisir-zada8470 Жыл бұрын

@@rightlanehog3151 Yes and I respectfully disagree with him about Camry TRD

@rightlanehog3151 Жыл бұрын

@@elmirmisir-zada8470 I admire them for bringing out the TRD Camry. It is a rare example of increasing performance and reducing prices at the same time. 2023 will be the last year of a V6 Camry so enjoy yours.

@elmirmisir-zada8470 Жыл бұрын

@@rightlanehog3151 Yep, I was planning to keep 18 Camry SE and maintained it religiously until I heard that next year Camry will be without V6 engine option and after checking prices of used TRD I reserved mine and it's less than a month old! Thank you btw

@jayhiggins5239 Жыл бұрын

These issues do matter. I recall that we waited 8 month for our 1982-83 Civic. It was a great family car that rusted out quickly. It took 20 years for my parents to even look at a Japanese brand again.

@JeredtheShy Жыл бұрын

That was always the Achilles heel of Japanese brands, wasn't it? Over and over you ended up with a car that still started at the touch of a key but it didn't matter because it was ready to fold in half over a pothole. It's a good thing they've moved away from that.

@plmn93 Жыл бұрын

@@JeredtheShy Yes. Rust, poor heaters, underpowered, and a reputation (maybe not deserved) of being death traps in accidents. People tend to forget about those things when they start reminiscing about how great they were.

@swaemy Жыл бұрын

Great review, very informative. I'm so glad we stuck with the 2020 SE AWD. With the seats out, I hauled a dining table & all six chairs.

@StanislavKlinikov 7 ай бұрын

Amazing review!!!! I'm so great full!! You are master of deep reviewing!!

@davidr9876 Жыл бұрын

For me, the fatal issue is low availability and the subsequent price gouging by my local dealers. I don't want to pay 3-5k over MSRP. Edit: I hadn't seen the video when I commented. Looks like he felt the same way

@hctim96 Жыл бұрын

If you need a van, people will buy a van that's available at a fair market price. New or used but not a van made of "unobtainium" with a obscene dealer mark up...Dealers will stop this insanity when people get vehicles other than from them...Cars/vans sitting on a lot incuring a floor plan charge cost them $$$..Then things will change...

@PeterHernandez-lg2eh Жыл бұрын

I refuse to pay more than msrp

@user-tb7rn1il3q Жыл бұрын

@Paul That won’t last much longer. The 24 market will be much different. Some dealers are overflowing and selling less than MSRP, even Toyotas.

@bendino9016 Жыл бұрын

wait and get this later on down the road.

@jeretso Жыл бұрын

I wish I could order online direct from toyota usa

@rebeccastone8732 Жыл бұрын

My hubby took out my second row seats and plugged the airbag sensors with one available after market. I actually bought them from a guy that has a really good KZfaq channel that shows how to remove them. He a bit of a genius and figured out the specs for the plugs and built them on a 3d printer. They work great. No false sensor read outs.

@meenam300zx Жыл бұрын

You just voided your entire warranty. That's according to Toyota.

@user5871 Жыл бұрын

@@meenam300zx this isn't true. If they refuse to fix something, the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act states that the dealer has to prove that your modifications caused the issue.

@user5871 Жыл бұрын

This is cool! Why buy a minivan and take out all the seats though - why not just buy a cargo van?

@ronward1229 Жыл бұрын

@@user5871 Flexibility. Kids to hockey one day, 4x8 plywood the next day.

@thetechdudemc Жыл бұрын

@@user5871 This. If Toyota or more likely scummy dealers do try that it would be an easy court case

@richardnord1049 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge on the Sienna.

@chrismason5179 10 ай бұрын

Thanks very much for the Sienna tour. It makes me even more greatful that my ‘03 Honda Odyssey is still going strong.

@jamesrebbechi5247 Жыл бұрын

Seeing many comments here about obscene dealer markups. Same here in Australia. Think I’ll just keep pushing my daily down the road for another 100k’s and see how things are then.

@serenityjewel 10 ай бұрын

In Asheville, NC, the markup was $1,000. I didn't like paying any markup, but It was what it was. So for people in higher price areas, I suggest you reserve a Sienna from a dealership in the southern US and then fly down to pick it up. The markup and the ticket will be less than $2,000.

@robertheinkel6225 9 ай бұрын

No markup from my dealer in FL.

@johneagen 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video! Our 2005 Sienna is ready to be retired. We've looked at other minivans, and even with the 'cons', we've decided to go with Toyota again.

@susie9893 2 ай бұрын

Love this guy - he always does a solid breakdown and comes across as very genuine (not pushing the product). For a car novice (like me) his tips are extremely helpful and accessible

@JasPlun Жыл бұрын

I was an old fan of the Mini-Vans before the Previa and I did like the Previa it was unique, but the Sienna has never appealed to me. I am actually looking for one of the older Mini-Vans with the 22-RE engine for my own classic collection.

@dano7145 Жыл бұрын

Sure, I'd love to get mid-30s MPG in my current and future minivans, but as someone with 20 years of minivan experience (all with zero mechanical problems), I will gladly sacrifice that remarkable efficiency for the ability to make the second AND third rows of seats disappear. I am also alarmed that one of Toyota's most commonly used engines can develop serious condensation issues from repeated short trips. No doubt Toyota will correct this problem in future versions of the engine, but it's something that will never be a concern in my naturally aspirated V6 minivans. This was a great video; and as always, thanks for your expertise and candid reporting!

@jeffjohanson3830 7 ай бұрын

Curious what your van ownership has been with such fantastic luck? I’ve got close to 30 years of van ownership experience and haven’t been quite so lucky. I’m 66 and way past kids but the practicality of a van for my hobbies and utility can’t be beat. IMHO every van should have 2nd and 3rd row quick removable seats (aka my old Dodge and Chrysler mini vans), or a fold into the floor 3rd row and quick removable 2nd row, or the Stow N Go on the Pacifica is very slick. Nice flat load floor. My current van is a 2006 Mazda MPV with just 168K. Bought from FL with low mileage and no rust it’s a nice size for me now. Both middle seats pop right out and I totally removed the 3rd row and use the well for storage. Totally flat load floor that I use for car camping and carrying bikes. My daughter has a 2021 Sienna and loves it. She took out the 2nd row seats. I’d love one of these new ones as well but the cost is to much.

@dano7145 7 ай бұрын

Although our minivan lifestyles seem very similar, I can't boast your experience with high-mileage vehicles. My wife and I generally look to "buy new" between 90K and 100K miles (8-10 years). But with that said, we're prepared to drive our 2015 Grand Caravan as long as it takes to get out of the current seller's market. I often think about getting an SUV or pickup, but dollar-for-dollar, there's nothing like life with a minivan.

@colinmcinnis3999 Жыл бұрын

I hope Toyota is watching this! Excellent, competent and reasonable review.

@NahBra_EUC Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this extremely helpful video. It is very difficult to find real world experience like this!

@m.nauman3264 Жыл бұрын

Ahmed - Thanks for the review, I was thinking of getting one, probably now get an odyssey.

@kseries20-24only Жыл бұрын

Love these reviews from a mechanics perspective!

@cessealbeach Жыл бұрын

Great Nice looking and comfortable mini van, my wife got the 2023 XSE Hybrid, she paid $57K out the door

@michaelb5622 Жыл бұрын

Right after this was announced I went and bought 2020 Sienna with AWD and the V6. No issues and I love it.

@jimandjulia8261 Жыл бұрын

As noted by others, would love you to review the Honda Odyssey for comparison-please!

@theresalee2816 3 ай бұрын

Yes please!

@brendastabenow2049 2 ай бұрын

Yes please review the Odyssey

@ooochakalaka Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter if Toyota increases production, most dealers will continue to mark them up because every family wants one. I'm really glad I bought mine before the craziness started. Got mine pretty much at invoice price.

@eggheadegghead 11 ай бұрын

Not just Toyota, since 2019, vehicle prices have increased dramatically, whether it is BMW, MB, LEXUS, etc…….😂

@trumptookthevaccine1679 9 ай бұрын

Good for you.

@americandude3825 Жыл бұрын

Got a brand new 2022 sienna XLE AWD WITH the spare tire in windchill pearl last year. $500 below msrp. Wait time: a few weeks. Around $46500. Fit and finish was amazing for mine. Leather. Comfy. Four zone ac. Fricken loved it. Perfect. Sold it to carvana and made $8000 after I realized it wasn’t going to replace my 2008 sequoia tho.

@tkto13 Жыл бұрын

Great video. In Toronto the wait is very long; after 12+ months still no ETA. Used options with 15,000 KMs are going for 200% of MSRP.

@brokeduece1691 Жыл бұрын

I have the 23' Sienna, and I love it. Best road trip vehicle ever. It is a very slow engine but it is not noticeable as a daily driver. I thought the Sienna was going to struggle up mountain passes but it does not due to the torque from the electric motor

@Seyer1955 Жыл бұрын

Since it’s a smaller engine, does it have the same pull as the regular v6 engine.

@brokeduece1691 Жыл бұрын

@@Seyer1955 it is much worst during hard acceleration

@beexiong2995 Жыл бұрын

Car and driver just tested minivans and the sienna was actually one of the faster ones. Minivans in general are just heavy and slow.

@eddiesti2004 Жыл бұрын

I had 2023 fwd sienna and I raced with my friend 2020 v6 sienna mine is actually faster in every way , but you need to get to the engine screaming noise when you have hard acceleration,but the van is not slow at all

@robertheinkel6225 9 ай бұрын

My 23 Sienna has no issues with power. If I accelerate too hard, it spins the front tires on dry pavement.

@suicidepotato Жыл бұрын

100% Agree! I would love to get a Sienna up here in Canada for the posted MSRP, but it's $10,000-$15000 overpriced. I'm looking toward the Kia Carnival or Honda Odyssey because even with the ridiculous gas prices here, it actually ends up being less. Also I can drive out of a lot with an Odyssey or a Carnival at anytime instead of waiting up to a year for a Sienna.

@wngus47 Жыл бұрын

me too. I got Carnival instead and i Love it!!

@AJ-to8lb Жыл бұрын

I purchased 4 Toyota Seinna's for our company. I switched from the Odyssey to Toyota for three main reasons -firstly, I find they make more durable vehicles than Honda, secondly, I am hoping the hybrid will save fuel expenses over time, and thirdly because their base model is actually CHEAPER than the Odyssey which is why I find your post confusing. Either you are comparing upgraded Toyota models to low end Honda models, or your dealership is trying to screw you because the Toyota base model is retail price is cheaper in my province than any Odyssey model retail price.

@solidfataiist Жыл бұрын

No joke, dealers in my area are marking them up 20k. TRD Pros are only marked up 14k

@suicidepotato Жыл бұрын

@@AJ-to8lb 100% my dealership is trying to screw me. It's an issue where I am living.

@jasperliu783 8 ай бұрын

18 months on the waiting list and counting here in Metro Vancouver…

@yevgenprus9103 7 ай бұрын

Tnx!! First time on your channel and this particular video is great!

@julioramirez6586 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Congratulations. Great info as always. I’ll wait a little and keep driving my 2021 hybrid RAV4 XL which is a great car by the way.

@marydunkin5490 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with the statement about “why build a great van that you can’t get”. Going on 9 months now since ordering. Still not available. What a terrible marketing strategy. I’m now thinking about going with the Chrysler Pacifica hybrid because at least I could find one and test drive as well.

@letsgobrandon5800 Жыл бұрын

Drive the Pacifica. Mine is dead nuts quiet in highway.

@plmn93 Жыл бұрын

Pacifica is a much more refined driving experience and a nicer overall package, but reliability is questionable...and I'm a Chrysler van fan. The AWD Pacifica would be a better bet.

@letsgobrandon5800 Жыл бұрын

@@plmn93 drives as smooth as butter, like a greased eel. Agree that reliability is always an issue with ChryCo products. Sad, as it’s a great van.

@LionRunner Жыл бұрын

I love the fact I have the trailer hitch not because I tow, that hitch with tow ball / hitch skid/ recovery mount with D-ring is the bump stop for those who can't park properly. I like to back into parking spot when possible. LoL.

@jimthumerzs2301 Жыл бұрын

I like to have a rear hitch because it makes it very easy to jack up the back of the car for tire rotations and what not.

@ao4v0ws Жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the hitch being good protection when bottoming out over curbs/driveways. Noisy yeah, but at least it's not plastic being ripped off. LOL Not to mention adds a little bit more strength if you were to be rear-ended, but it's probably way too low for that.

@normancook4620 11 ай бұрын

very thorough and informative! influenced my concepts of purchasing a Toyota van......completely disappointed by not being able to remove the 2nd row seats!

@albertakman Жыл бұрын

Thanks for saying that!! It's 3-5 years in Canada for XSE AWD/LIMITED AWD. I couldn't find any dealers in Alberta, Canada, who could order the 25th edition. Ordered XSE tech pkg and need to wait for 3+ years!

@sdubs Жыл бұрын

I bought a 2022 sienna last year for 6k above msrp. And it wasn't even the color and trim that I wanted. But whatever, i still love the hybrid sienna. It's a great minivan. I was lucky and didn't wait at all. But you basically will have no freedom in choosing the trim and options you want.

@tyttuut Жыл бұрын

I would really miss the removable second row seats. My mom has a previous gen Sienna and it can just about carry 4x8 sheets of plywood if you take them out.

@joshm3342 5 ай бұрын

"Just about"? Either it fits or it doesn't.

@ectorcab 4 ай бұрын

@@joshm3342 it fits with the door shut. there's just no wiggle room

@DiverBob777 7 ай бұрын

Great end to end assessment. Always appreciate getting "The good, the bad, and the ugly".

@weekenderfam7965 Жыл бұрын

Just got my 25th Anniversary over a week ago. A little over MSRP being out-of-state, and waited just shy of 2 months. Super comfortable and the kids love it. 600mi in and still using the first tank of gas.. the flaw is build quality, there are many areas they cut the metal didn’t really finish well, and the plastics feel cheap

@chiutang3111 Жыл бұрын

how much you pay for it?

@andrewau4880 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree the point of fatal problem! It is a worse buying situation in Canada, wait time maybe 2 years plus. Whats the point of Toyota thought and plans? I guess Toyota wants to save the limited parts or resouces for making more profitable margin models during the auto parts shortage periods. But it made consumers frustrated.

@plmn93 Жыл бұрын

Yep, Sienna and Highlander Hybrids look good on paper but when you try to buy one they quickly become very bad deals. Plenty of other choices from dealers not trying to screw you over.

@pjtruslow Жыл бұрын

I always explain the Power Split eCVT to people as being more similar to a differential with the inputs and outputs reversed, and it doesn't really have wear elements the way an automatic transmission does, and shares no mechanical similarities to a CVT, so can't possibly fail the way the old nissan units did.

@rondhole Жыл бұрын

e-CVT is like 3 speed Shimano internal gear

@pjtruslow Жыл бұрын

@@rondhole mechanically sure. The thing I like about my analogy is that it's like replacing one wheel outputs of a differential with a motor/generator, the other with an engine, and the side that is normally the input becomes the output to the actual drive shaft I think both analogies are useful, but explain different aspects of the eCVT. in my mind the most important aspect of an eCVT is that there is no such thing as a shift. output speed is just a function of engine speed and motor/generator speed and direction. power flow is a function of all three speeds. if the output is slow and the engine is spinning at a higher speed, the electric motor spins backwards and acts as a generator soaking up that extra energy and sending it to the battery or other motor, as an example of just one of many situations.

@hycinth5371 6 ай бұрын

Wow, impressive review. Very interesting to see the bottom of the vehicle. It is super clean. Thank you for walking through the vehicle thoroughly. Very informative!

@lawrencewald196 3 ай бұрын

Excellent discussion! Thank you!

@ericg9092 Жыл бұрын

I had a Sienna XLE V6 AWD as a company car and can't tell you how much I hate the fact it's no longer available. On long trips, the V6 engine was beautifully composed, and merging onto highways or moving quickly into oncoming traffic was never a problem. After driving the new 4-banger, I'm moving on to another option.

@derickd2385 Жыл бұрын

the down side for the old sienna is only 15~18mpg.

@smrtguy77777 Жыл бұрын

I’ll take the 35mpg combined any day over the old V6. It’s a family hauler, not a race car.

@charlesjackson1700 Жыл бұрын

@@smrtguy77777 Me too.. and more reliable.. Those v6s more prone to oil leaks as they aged.

@eliworks8549 11 ай бұрын

Did you put it in the higher power mode?

@EJ68987 5 ай бұрын

They should have kept the old design 2011-2018 and just tweaked it a bit for exterior and for the V6 using an auto start/stop technology. This way a v6 AWD could achieve 22/26 mpg instead of 18/22. This newer Sienna sucks 4cyl come on TOYOTA, cheaper interior/exterior and super high price. FAIL TOYOTA FAIL!!

@dandinhofer9240 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review as usual Mr. Care Care. However regarding the "fatal flaw" which is detailed herewith, I must point out the following. Toyota dealers (including the regional distributor) have carte blanche regarding MSRP discretion. As far back (early 80's) as I can recall their marketing attitude follows closely customer demand. By limiting vehicle availability the entire supply chain profits are boosted to insanity and beyond. And yet folks stand in line with their checkbook ready to shell out more & more. This house of cards will collapse at some point, and the exuberance will ebb.

@ru2388 Жыл бұрын

What an excellent video! Thanks for sharing it. None of it was a deal breaker but the condensation in the oil is the biggest concern. But I'd still buy one, if I could get one, and not pay $55K+

@somethingsomethingsomethingdar Ай бұрын

Your point about turning it into a cargo van not being a good idea is PERFECT. This saved me from considering this year for just that purpose.

@chubbysumo2230 Жыл бұрын

Also as a side note about the mid row seats, at some point somebody planned on having them removable. When you remove them, it does not trigger any errors on the dashboard or in the computers body control module, it recognizes that the mid row seat weight sensors and seat belt sensors have been removed. It even no longer shows the red warning lights to have the midrow buckle up when you turn the van on on the infotainment screen left of the volume dial. I believe the only reason they made them non-removable was because of the airbag in the seat. Also the seat track doesn't come out easily, since one of the bolts to remove the seat track completely is underneath the gas tank. I have my midrow seats removed because I use my van for delivery, the standard three and a half Ohm resistor still fools the airbag system.

@meenam300zx Жыл бұрын

Toyota voids your warranty on the entire car since you removed the 2nd row and tricked the safety system. I was told that by the local Toyota dealership.

@chubbysumo2230 Жыл бұрын

@@meenam300zx toyota would have to prove how my changes caused whatever failure was there. The Magnuson-Moss warranty act means they cannot simply "void" a warranty like that. If an engine fails, they would have to prove HOW your seat removals was the cause, which they could not. your dealer is wrong, and should be shown the MM warranty act in the USA.

@chubbysumo2230 Жыл бұрын

@@meenam300zx oh, and the dealership tried this with me when it still had warranty coverage. they caved as soon as I asked them how my removing the seats and tricking the airbag system had anything to do with the brakes or suspension.

@larryc1616 Жыл бұрын

Toyota says warranty is void if you remove 2nd row...

@chubbysumo2230 Жыл бұрын

@@larryc1616 and the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act says they can't do that.

@briancwir1036 Жыл бұрын

We purchased a 2022 Sienna XLE in Canada, and the there wasn’t even a spare tire option. There were in the other models. Go figure. Instead they have an electric air pump that can also put some tire sealant into the tire. I would have gladly paid extra for a spare tire…

@nedear88 Жыл бұрын

AMD, GREAT review on the 2023 Sienna, I watched every video on your channel, after I finished this video...I decided to keep my 2006 Sienna Limited Edition. Toyota definitely going cheap on the interior design, we have captain's chairs in the 2nd row and they are removable, the 3rd has power fold feature and it folded flat, we do have plan to change to the new one but now we will continue to use it daily until it falling apart, we still love the V6 engine but not so much on the MPG!!! My Sienna only have 170K+ miles, I believe it can last another 5-10 years. I always follow the 6 months oil changes since we only drive locally drop off kids to school. I wish your shop nearby so that I don't have to visit "stealership" for major repair, especially for my 2005 Lexus LS430.

@terrydueck1776 Жыл бұрын

We just upgraded from our 2009 sienna fwd(owned 10 years) to a 2018 top line AWD. Absolutely love it. Just don’t understand the hybrid only option for the new model. Not my style.

@GH-ic4ll 11 ай бұрын

Enjoyed your review of the 2023 Sienna. I have been doing my research and considering if I want to upgrade my 2014 Sienna to this one or something else. I see you hit on many of the talking points but downgraded some of the concerns. For example, the acceleration issue has shown great concern in more than mountains and uphill with full capacity. There are many concerns regarding acceleration in open road passing. I feel you should have also pointed out that Sienna has the lowest HP of the top 4 minis. The other top concern I'm seeing is regarding excessive engine or muffler noise. You did an excellent job on pointing out the new one sided exhaust system, but didn't discuss this concern much. I have owned 3 Sienna and 2 Carolla. I plan to go for a test drive before making my mind up. I hope other informed shoppers do the same, as well as review consumer complaint sites. I will not pay a markup for the vehicle. As stated, we've been a Toyota family for decades, but before you get me upside down on a loan/ note, I'd rather see what the competitor/ Honda is offering.

@jeffreylyons1531 8 ай бұрын

This van has plenty of power for all situations. The engine noise isn’t pleasant but it’s a mini van not a sports car.

@jdretiree2433 Жыл бұрын

I owned a 2009 Sienna and when you laid the 3rd row seats down and removed the second row seats, you had a nice flat surface all the way from the front seats to the rear hatch. I traded that for a 2015 Sienna and am not happy when I remove the second row seats there are rails sticking up above the floor that cannot be removed. How can you lay an air mattress on that? You can't without building some kind of false floor to cover the rails. I decided that was the last Sienna I would ever buy and now with the 2023 not being able to even remove the 2nd row seats, I know I will never own another Sienna.

@jayhiggins5239 Жыл бұрын

Right and the new Carnival/Sedona is even worse.

@will_mcfarland Жыл бұрын

toyota doesn't care if you don't buy another, they aren't making it for people to sleep on the floor, which coincidently why I have a 2014 sienna myself.

@udaykosaraju3851 Жыл бұрын

2023 carnival u can remove all seats with 8 seat configuration and it is flat.

@meenam300zx Жыл бұрын

With Pacific, even the second row hides away. On my 2014 Sienna, I have 2 inch foams that cover the rails.

@jeretso Жыл бұрын

I will keep my older Sienna with flat floor forever. I used to put a mattress back there too and close the doors. Moving was awesome.

@oun6661 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for a thorough and understandable review!

@davidlovatt2335 Жыл бұрын

Greetings AMD. Many thanks for another brilliant video. I am continually aware of your God given amazing ability to store all of the technical information in your head and the way in which you present it to us.I hope that you have had a good Easter with your family.

@bonjournaste Жыл бұрын

Love to see that green colour. Now just need to give some gold rims/trim and it would be 90's Toyota all over again.

@rightlanehog3151 Жыл бұрын

I remember when green was one of the most popular car colors back in the 70s

@SoleEpiphany Жыл бұрын

Awesome content as usual, would you happen to know if you can do the hood strut mod with the Sienna that you did with your Camry? I have a 21 Sienna but it is modified for a wheelchair so it’s a good foot or more higher and I would love to have hood struts. 2 years or more here in Eastern Canada right now for a Sienna, the shop foreman at my dealership is waiting 18 months now on his Highlander XLE😮

@greenfat1 Жыл бұрын

After market hood struts are available online and easy to install a good shop can do it . I put them on my 2020 RAV4 they cost about $25 and they with an easy bolt up install.

@anilthapar5142 Жыл бұрын

In Canada, British Columbia, lower mainland, one of the Toyota's dealerships asked 35000 dollars more for the new Toyota sienna. 2 to 3 years wait time in Canada. Good review.

@AM1381.5 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely informative as always! I found this video very appealing because I live in Alberta, Canada. So the problem with water condensation would be an issue here in our winter country. And recently I was thinking of a family car but was not sure between a Sienna or a highlander. Now I have a better perspective on this car but I would still hope you could do a comparison of this car with a highlander and grand high lander to see which one would serve better as a family car. Maybe I should look up your other videos? 😅

@mrvoyagerm Жыл бұрын

The reason we did not buy the Sienna IS the fact that the second row seats do not fold flat and are not removeable. We were surprised by this and then found the Highlander with both a second row and third row fold flat seats. That gives me just over 80 inches of length from the back of the front seats to the rear door and that is why we bought the Highlander over the Sienna. Oh and the OEM trailer hitch for the Highlander fits into the rear valance perfectly and also provides some protection from any impacts back there. Great design for sure.

@michaelo3282 10 ай бұрын

Two different vehicles and you don't get as much cargo space as a mini van, especially, like the Chrysler Pacifica where all of the seats fold down below the floor and completely disappear turning it into a cargo van.

@mrvoyagerm 10 ай бұрын

@@michaelo3282 I wish the Sienna had that. I'd have one in a minute.

@michaelo3282 10 ай бұрын

@@mrvoyagerm I have 38,000 miles on my 2019 pacifica touring L naturally aspirated 3.6l V6. Packed up one large, medium, small dog creates with our dogs in them, suitcases and other traveling essentials and drove from Dallas, TX to Long Beach, CA. I averaged 29.8 mpg driving 70 to 80 mph and the ride was smooth and quiet. It has a 19 gallon fuel tank so I made good miles between fuel stops. I've never had any mechanical or non-mechanical problems. It's a great vehicle. Pacifica has a hybrid option, too, if that's what you want. If you're looking to buy another mini van, go take a look at the pacifica. I think that you will save and get more for your money, too.

@mrvoyagerm 10 ай бұрын

@@michaelo3282 Thanks

@robertheinkel6225 9 ай бұрын

I previously had an Odyssey. I only removed the second row seats twice in 12 years.

@egorlike1324 Жыл бұрын

The spare tire location was the same on older Honda Odyssey (not sure if the current ones has it). Whats crazy is that its an option. Should be standard

@robertheinkel6225 9 ай бұрын

My 2012 Odyssey had the spare tire under the floor between the center console and second row seat. Accessible from the inside.

@jeffjohanson3830 7 ай бұрын

It should be standard agreed but for any dealer ordering these vans (or a customer) for $75 it’s a total no brainer. For Sienna’s without the spare you can get a kit that includes a complete new side panel, spare tire cover and the mounting bracket for the spare, the jack and tools. It’s like $250 for those parts and if you are handy a DYI job. Then you still need to purchase the spare which is another $200 or so. Wow!! $75 sure looks better

@ooJoeLee Жыл бұрын

Really cool Sienna review! Thanks for all the interesting observations!

@ooJoeLee Жыл бұрын

Scam

@marcprobin1659 Жыл бұрын

I don't understand for the platinum version to have glorified hub caps either! As for the rear bumper, the Sienna had that for awhile and I agree with you about the lack of a bumper!

@bechtoea Жыл бұрын

They made complete sense to me until he pointed out you can't replace the plastic separate from the wheel. That's when I was like "What??"