? It’s the same. You can buy standard edition, deluxe edition or the deluxe complements. I’m gonna assume you probably meant just the standard edition.

This could really be a thing. Just change the left part with the rondel an boom, you got a new location to travel. Good Idea.

Wendy is one of the nicest addition to the Dice Tower. I like the way she analyzes games and the way she interacts with others' opinions about a certain matter.

This is what Tidal Blades needed

Hi Jeremy, Do you still feel this way about this game? Thanks, Jonathan

@@Jy3pr6 I do, I can pick it up and play any time, and while right now Cult of the New has me with all the fall releases, and cleaning up my shelf of shame, the desire to play MotDR has been creeping on

@@JeremyDobler Interesting. I found a few good deals on BGG MP. Hopefully I can seal a deal soon. But would you really say it’s taken your top spot from Ark Nova??

They have hinted at future expansions

Very Kickstarter-y

Out of curiosity, did you kickstart it?

@@Phildiculous what does that have to do with anything?

You make some really good points Pooya. Got me back excited to receive the game now. And for all the right reasons i chose to back in the first place: Pick-up and deliver, interaction and bloody hell great theme. Cheers and thanks for reminding me of these essential qualities.

@@Phildiculous I didn't. I can't in the country I live. I will buy the Deluxe version when it's available in our stores. I played it on Tabletop Simulator.

It's great for solo play

I hate that today people make games and cut things out for expansions. They should wait for feedback, let that feedback inform your expansion and see if the game actually sells before designing more stuff.

@@12345678abracadabra Funny. That's exactly what we'll be doing. That doesn't mean we can't also hope and plan to change the way sections work on the board.

When Mike first joined TDT I felt like our tastes aligned really well, but we continue drifting apart..

I think Mike gave Ark Nova an 8 tbf. At least he did in the four squares one. I don't know if there's a separate solo review or something.

@@nickrichards5792 I could be mistaken.

@@nickrichards5792 Maybe this wil be the game that reunite you both together again ;)

@@jartree I feel like Mike's average rating for a game is an 8.5, so anything below that is a 6 for Tom for instance. Really hate the constant 8-10s on every game.

Thanks man! My copy gets here next week and I was worried after watching the video lol.

You did way too many straw men in this essay

I'd take his opinion over a backer lol.

The inventory and items feels like diablo ii and its really nostalgic feeling for me.

@@nihlify 💯

@@hkay3832 Personally, to me this sounds terrible. Now not only are the spaces unmarked they are crowded as well. I was trying to come from a practical standpoint rather than esthetic. This solution sounds purely esthetic.

After several plays, my wife and I have discovered that getting two bonuses on the lit road is worth taking any chance you can, especially late in the game, even if you have to choose last for the travel die bonus. Getting another illuminated die plus a deed or upgrade is extremely valuable, much more than is apparent at first glance, and usually well worth what you might be risking with the travel die. This complaint is understandable unless you've had a chance to play through a half-dozen games and start seeing the impacts.

He was. As was Tom and Zee.

There's no house rule for people being able to change the market on your turn. They kept saying random when it's player driven. Also no one in any game can predict how cards or tiles flip out of a deck.

My thoughts as well.

I would never sell a game based on a video review. Your point of view could be very different from them. Heck, see the scores, they are all different. I recommend to play it first.

Also, while I applaud Elf creek for getting everything to be one box, yhe 2 part insert is a mixed bag. the bigger part of the insert is exceptionally confusing. The small portion is great though.

I feel like the video is just nitpicking about colours and minor design issues. :)

@@JerreMuesli it not being clear where the actual rondel is and mistaking completely different resources for one another in a contract fulfillment game is not a minor design flaw. That's very valid critism to me. But people have different tolerances for this type of thing. I think this is reflected in Tom's vs Chris' critisms. It probably wouldn't bother me. But I think this looks to have been designed to be an accssible medium weight game. "Gateway plus". It's not nessacerily fair. But I think unitituve design choices and usability issues are probably going to get more flack at this weight than in a heavier game where sometimes you expect some fiddlyness.

Not calling you out by the way. I agree in part. For instance, the size of the potions vs the lutes for the polyomino puzzle not being reflected in the value. That definitley came across as just a mismatch to expectations. The whole point might be to encourage loading as much on to your wagon as possible. Thematically and mechanically. Phrasing that as critism did seem a little unfair.

An alternative view to everyone is just nitpicking is thatl Mike is very forgiving. 😁

I think all the criticism makes total sense and it's really making me cautious about getting it. That said, I had those concerns initially as well but it's worse seeing them in the final copy

Because you touch yourself at night.

Also at tom who “laid out the cards side by side”. The dark road is safer with positive rolls being from 3-6. While the dangerous illuminated road has positive rolls only from 4-6.

@@Halcyonbane7 yeah see...that's opposite. A well lit path should be a bit safer. That I don't get. You get 2 rewards but odds are they're garbage because you choose last and to reroll it's another lantern cost? So to do it you should wait for 4 lanterns is all that tells me.

@@nipzie The path is so dangerous that you cannot run the path without having light, where as the safe path is so tame it is easy to navigate even in the dark. (It's not like these paths have light posts, they are both dark and the light is coming from your lanterns). Also the two extra rewards you get are not from the dice rolls that you pick last from. You still only get one of those and are definitely getting screwed in that you pick last when picking the illuminated path. The two extra rewards are the bonuses that you get at the end (wagon upgrade, illuminated dice, bonus objective, or money)

@@Halcyonbane7 ahhh you're right I see that now. I still don't like being punished for 3 lanterns but if I wanted, I could just make the cost 2 lanterns if it doesn't seem too overpowered

Curse of the Kickstarter in full effect

I back a lot of crowdfunded games. I can assure you that I don’t like all of them. Also, I had no idea they put backer names in the box lid until I saw this 😂

I am also surprised by the statements of complexity considering some of the games Chris and Wendy do like. I got to play about half a games worth at pax and thought it fairly straightforward. My game is due to arrive today so I guess I will see if my opinion changes after some full plays.

I totally agree! I'm baffled by their responses. I had watched several playthroughs/reviews prior to KS and when it arrived, I taught it to my wife, who immediately beat me. She is not one who appreciates heavier, more complex games, but had no issue whatsoever in understanding what was going on at each location and how to move around with the dice.

Aka wait a few months when 80% of the people dump this game. Or rather, spend your money on something else is probably the better answer.

Ah yes, the "Kiss of Death" seal of approval. 🙄

Well said! I couldn't agree with you more. My wife and I have had a great time learning the subtleties of this one. (Also, deeply appreciate your icon!)

@@hkay3832 Other reviewers also weren't keen on it, though Jeremy Howard likes it. I agree with the OP: a €100 game can't just be OK.

They explained it. The similar colour makes it an easy mix up first time through. Not the worst issue, but worth noting

@@CresentSoul the colour is one thing but they were ralking about size as wel. The size of stuff is relevant because you can not horde everything. You have to be picky. And that is also realistic.

@@HALOX30 They brought it up because with the spatial puzzle involved in fitting items into your limited wagon space, they assumed larger, hard-to-fit items would be worth more, but the fluctuating market means that's not always the case. I don't think it's the issue they made it out to be, but I can understand having that expectation from a euro mechanism point of view.

@@HALOX30 I own the game and I really like it. I think the issue is mainly that cards will have the symbols on it, all the same size. I don't think the size of the actual items is a problem, it's that on the card, there are small squares with the symbol on them and they really matter in the game. With similar colors and similar shape on them, across the table it can be really hard to differentiate between the two. And when one item is the biggest in the game and the other is the smallest, misreading those can set you back significantly in a relatively tight game (as most good euros are). This is especially when it can take multiple turns (depending on the Dice you have and the card/tiles that are present) to get rid of items from your inventory and instruments take up a lot of space which could be better used. I personally haven't had that issue, but I can definitely understand the concern. And once you play it a few times, it'll likely go away. If you want to see what I'm talking about check out the picture online of the hero cards and the contract tiles (if you don't own the game obviously)

Maybe it started at a 7 and got a fraction-worth worse with each play 😅

I take my cues from Boardgamegeek when I rate games. There, a 7 is a good game that I usually say yes to if someone else suggests it. If I give something a 6, that means I’ll play it if I’m in the right mood, but ill most likely never suggest it. Going on that, a 6 is not that positive of a score. But it is still one I kind of liked.

Dice Tower (and BGG) scores are heavily centred around a 7 average, not a 5. It's not the most useful scale IMO, hence the need for all the point-five scores, but Tom has rated 7500+ games so it's not changing any time soon.

​@@gameweekend8289 I don't think that's a great way to rank stuff and I consider the way scores on BGG trend to be kinda busted. If your score scale is 1 to 10 and you rate something a 6, then numerically and in terms of averages you are literally stating that it is better than average. Rating something a 6 when you've said you would never actively go out of your way to play it is incongruent because you've already state that, for your, it's average at best which means it shouldn't score more than a 5 at most. The problem with this kind of scoring is that it's supremely unhelpful and unbalanced. The scoring system on BGG is basically as follows: 10 - Review brigading 8,9 - Great 7 - Good 6 - Meh, Average 2,3,4,5 - Bad 1 - Review Brigading I really don't think this is a helpful scoring system. The review range around positives is compressed while the review range around negatives is expanded for no good reason, nevermind roughly 20% of the possible review values are completely useless due to brigading nonsense. In terms of this review, I just feel like Chris and Tom are not being honest. It feels like they wanted to rate the game lower but chose not to for some reason or other? Maybe they didn't want to be seen as trashing the game (no doubt being aware of how warped the 1 to 10 rating is in the BG community)? Or maybe they just didn't want a bigger divergence in the scores? Either way, I feel like it would have been better if they had dropped their scores a bit and for me as a viewer it would have been more helpful in getting across the message that this is a bit of a divisive game. A score range of 6 to 8 for a divisive game is rather at odds with it being a divisive game :-)

@@AdamJorgensen I think you can look at it alternatively. If you're rating games on an objective scale then maybe modern hobby games on average are about a 7. So a mass market game like sorry might be a 2 or a 3. A game getting a 6 means objectively it's a decent game but relative to all the great hobby games we have now it's just not worth playing since many of them are 7s and above. Does that make sense? I don't actually know yet if I agree with them on this review, mind you.

If they're going to be different sizes, but not have any other inherent value then it still doesn't feel terribly thematic. A wheel that rotates on certain actions can make a potion change in value from 1 coin to 5 coins, which doesn't feel terribly thematic. Those aspects combined just doesn't feel that satisfying for me. Hope that helps.

@@DTChrisYi isn't the wheel a metaphorical representation of the market changes and manipulation, or is there a giant wheel in a corner of this town that everyone visits to check how they should price things? haha imagine everyone praying to the all mighty WHEEL of the market, ALL HAIL THE WHEEL!

I think they referred to thematic disconnect in relation to teaching the game. In the case of this game, the disconnect is working against the game

@@almondroy I now believe the almighty wheel is physically part of the town! Thanks for that imagery, haha

@@DTChrisYi I'm not sure I understand the complaint here. The value of the item has no relation to how large it is to fit in your wagon. The size is simply a representation of how much space that thing takes up in your wagon. Donno, i feel a lot of the complaints in this review were really nit picky.

A high level of random chaos, lack of player control, limited ability to forward plan, gameplay disconnect with the theme, clunky & confusing mechanisms, poor board architecture (form over function), unnecessary 6x6 cart grid, unfocused design decisions (18 pg rulebook) plus a €100+ price point all seem like valid negative points raised in the review to me.

Rapplesentation is my new favorite word, thanks.