Buntaro had to second his dad after suffering that kind of rejection from his wife. It was NOT his day, man.

Nah Hiromatsu going out like that was pure pain for them both. Going that far for a plan takes insane resolve. RIP my dawg

Toranaga had to lose a general to further cement the idea of his defeat. However 3 generals raised their voice in defiance, it is within this moment that Hiromatsu took the decisive step to sacrifice his life for Toranaga’s cause. Saving Toranaga from losing 3 generals and also fooling Osaka into believing Toranaga’s march to defeat is real.

Tea ceremony context from my rusty knowledge about the subject: entering that room makes them become equals and Buntaro has to humble himself by literally lowering himself in the process (that’s why the room is so small), no matter how high above her he is, part of the ceremony revolves around that notion, when Mariko spins the bowl, it’s because she is offering the prettiest side of it towards him, showing both respect and, if not love, appreciation both for his skills and for his gesture, as for her rejection, part of it is the mistreatment, yes, but it’s also the fact that she is from a lineage that’s far above him, so, when she said the life thing, it’s because she aspired to bigger things that she simply couldn’t reach due to her tie with him, as for the ikebana arrangement behind them, the red camellia (tsubaki) historically symbolized a noble death among Japanese warriors and samurai but it also represents love. 17:36 Those stares and that blink has lead many to believe that he understood that his death wouldn’t be in vain, it’d help Toranaga continue playing this facade of accepting becoming a loser and, alongside that, he figured that he’d die sooner or later anyways, so, why not show loyalty to him until his dying breath as well as helping his lord achieve his goals whilst simultaneously teaching his son a lesson in humility? The acting from every single member of this cast has been stellar and they deserve countless awards for their work.

The seppuku wasn't prearranged, but the generals were rebelling and putting the plan in jeopardy with their resistance. Hiromatsu didn't know what the plan was, but he did know there was one, and if Toranaga keeps insisting he's surrendering, then Hiromatsu knows its important to the plan. As Toranaga's #1 guy, he can't allow things to get derailed by this sudden resistance...so he pulls the seppuku card in order to stop everyone in their tracks. Once that happened, both of them know that Toranaga has to stick to his guns, and Hiromatsu has to go through with it. It was already decided (figuratively speaking) the moment Hiromatsu made the threat. The moment was so emotional between them because they were suddenly saying goodbye after all this time, with no other good options. So, what looks like Hiromatsu taking a stand against Toranaga is really him making the ultimate sacrifice to ensure Toranaga's plan will work.

Notice that Hiromatsu said "Do not give up on our lord. Even when it appears he has given up on himself." The key word there is "appears." Hiromatsu was telling Buntaro that this was part of a deception, and also saying that he was willingly playing his part.

The next episode gonna have you questioning your life decisions 🤣😭

Buntaro never understood that Mariko was asking for death as something for herself. She was grieving her family behind her "fence" but she was duty bound so she never was free. Him offering they seppeku together defeats the purpose of her truly doing the act for herself for her own relief.

Highlight episode of the season imo. The underlying theme of “what is loyalty?” being asked and answered by every member of the cast was such an amazing way to characterize them all.

Toranaga really sent his 3 most chaotic pawns for ishido to deal with 😂

14:20 Gotta say, Toranaga did them dirty. The courtesans deserve a better class of neighbor. 😂

What an emotionally rich and powerful scene! The music, dialogue, the palpable tension brought about by the actors... Beautiful. Hiromatsu is MVP

I have to say the camera work this episode was outstanding, especially during the confrontation between Toranaga and Hiromatsu. It really amplified the intensity and emotions of that whole scene, alongside the amazing acting of course

When Hiromatsu suggested doing Crimson Sky a couple of episodes ago, Toranaga said that it was "a pointless death." When Hiromatsu's eyes opened wide and said "So you do believe in pointless death." the 'in' was underlined emphasizing what Toranaga called Crimson Sky as "a pointless death.' The old man got clued in by Toranaga that Crimson Sky was on. So he had to stop the generals and sell Toranaga's keyfabe in order for Crimson Sky to get started.

Toranaga-sama is a grandmaster chess player. Hiromatsu was one of his most important pieces on the board: sacrificed for victory.

As Japanese, I'm deeply moved by the fact that Japanese directors are earnestly creating historical dramas about Japan for international audiences.🙇

切腹の介錯(補助)には、切腹する人にとって大切な親族、刀術に優れた人が選ばれます。 切腹で首を切る行為は残酷な行為ではなく、苦しみから解放する慈愛の行為です 第二次世界大戦で日本が敗戦したとき、神風特攻隊を考案した指揮官の大西瀧治郎(oonishi takijirou)は連合軍に降伏せずに切腹をしました。 部下を死に導いた罪を償うためです。 彼は介錯(補助の首切り)を拒否して切腹して、十数時間苦しんで死にました。 他にも多くの将官が切腹しました。

I think Hiromatsu read the room and saw that there was a bunch of dissent in the room and he knew taht everyone needed to step behind Toranaga and follow his plan. It wasn't part of the original plan for Hiromatsu to kill himself but in his last moments he saw that he needed to make everyone scared of defying Toranaga and that by killing himself they wont dissent. And Toranga and his eyes wee looks and secret code like he knows what he's donig and he is going to lose his best friend. In the previous episode he said winning this war is costing him a lot. And in that moment he realized that its costing him is only and best friend to keep the plan ging straight.

mariko never gave the marriage a chance as she said his family is below her

If this is what Red Sky is, no wonder Toranaga was so hesitant to do it. He has to make himself look so incredibly low, that he's believably lost the battle. He has to even be willing to let his comrades die to properly ambush all his enemies.

That switch up from Lady Ochiba as she watched the Old biddy die. She was like, welp, thats one section of the 8-fold fence we can finally stop hiding. 😈

I am impressed with how they show the intensity and gravity of Seppuku. Every now and then we hear about it in anime, movies, and shows as some honorable suicide and death. But seeing others around the person also feeling how horrifying the act is shows the weight of such a decision.

When you think of episodes that had you tense the entire time, completely unaware of what's gonna happen, this has gotta be up there. This is an all timer in television. The acting was absolutely phenomenal. The directing was perfect

shogun about to be up there with breaking bad , game of thrones and better call saul

For those wondering. There is a poetry battle jam thing Japan has. My gf used to do it with one of her friends. So yes they do be spitting bars and it seems Mariko is Tupac on this show.

This episode genuinely gave me flashbacks of Game of Thrones season 4, it's so peak

This story is as true to the actual story as possible. The person who assists the seppuku is chosen to be a relative who is important to the person committing seppuku, or a person who is skilled in the art of swordsmanship. The act of cutting off the head in seppuku is not an act of cruelty, but an act of compassion to relieve suffering.

Omi got my attention now. The performance was insane! Man got acting skill!

Yep, he was not sick, just faked it. Hiromatsu knew his duty very well💔 a real one🫡

One thing you can say about Hiromatsu…he had some guts, huh?

Toranaga: Do you disagree with what happened today? Viewers: Well, yeah! What kind of stupid question is that?!

Man this episode was such a ride. I was hyped to see the Roshi crew's reaction to this one

Great episode! Toranaga sacrificed his bishop (Hiromatsu) to advance his moves. This is a magnificent 3d chess game. Episode 9 is another shocking move by Toranaga

Toranaga is already "Shogūn", this man is a savage 4D chess player.

Torunaga makes Palpatine look like Jar Jar Binks when it comes to scheming

This episode should be renamed to "Stand on Business!"

The only thing tipped me off that Hiromatsu's sacrifice was part of the plan was the when Toranaga suddenly blinked with a little force as they were staring each other down and Hiromatsu realized in that moment...I could be totally misreading the scene and it could just be regular blink though lol. Still. So sad, this show's phenomenal

Hiromatsu sacrificing his life wasn't apart of the original plan. Toranaga needed his 3 generals to pledge their loyalty/allegiance on paper so that the plan could continue. But he also had already suspected that he was losing them so when they ultimately spoke out against him and were prepared to revolt against him, it confirmed his suspicion which also put his plan in jeopardy. Hiromatsu reading the room, acts quickly and makes the ultimate sacrifice to ensure the plan continues. Toranaga doesn't lose his 3 generals and the idea/image that Toranaga is completely "defeated" is cemented so that Crimson Sky can truly commence.

Imagine Toranaga faking his sickness for a bigger picture and be like ´´oh fuck I forgot to cough for 8 minutes´´

Dude the subtlety of the blink on 17:38 and him realizing the lords plan instantly. The determination in his eyes were still there. He knew he had to make the surrender look as real as possible, and he did by giving his life to the cause. Fucking amazing acting.

u guys ain't ready for episode 9

That was the single most powerful episode in television I’ve ever seen.

Buntaro is the real hero of this show, to keep going after all this!

Did.. did i just saw Roshi tears?????? My mennnnnnn

Great episode. Thematically it also mirrors the story arc of what happened between Blackthorne and his gardener. The servant has to die in order to make their master see reason. Only in Toranaga's case, he only put on a deception to fool everyone in Osaka and that meant fooling his retainers as well, otherwise the spies would uncover his true intentions eventually. Toda either guesses this or still didn't know, but he framed his seppuku in a way such that only he died right then, thus saving all the other retainers who Toranaga would definitely need later. Show's great, makes you think about the characters' motivations.

The reason he had his vassals commit suicide was to deceive his enemie that he had already surrendered.

This show just continues to get so much better

If this was yall reaction can't wait to see what next episode would bring

He had to do one more loyalty flush before marching on Osaka, while setting up a charade of defeat

Damn man, how can it get worse than this Episode 9: Watch this

Hiromatsu a real one, rip homie

Let's go! Another banger reaction from the OG!🔥✨

Buntaro is so Delulu like.. "We were happy.." 😩🥴😂

The whole episode you see Torunaga being assisted by someone to stand or walk; that last part showed him getting up and walking with no assistance - so yeah, it was a ruse. And I think Hiromatsu's act at the end is a slap to Blackthorne's statement to Mariko - that sometimes, loyalty IS suicide.

Now this episode clarifies what Lady Gin was saying, when Tsuji was telling him about what happened in Osaka he said his spies had reported all those. Meaning he would have fallen into his brother’s trap 😊.

8:03 reminds me of that whole podcast meme "if I'm going to die, my man's going to die with me" 😂

I can't be mad at Buntaro the guy is the strongest in there and could have anything he wants but have to live in misery. Deepest character so far.

“To deceive your enemy, you have to deceive your friend first.”

She literally asked Toranaga for death but then said I'd live a thousand years... One of the best of the year so far 👏

Hiromatsu is a real one

For some reason I've been putting off watching episode 9 before after this reaction, I'ma have to watch it immediately

Oh my days I can’t believe how long you guys went being quite and finally be in your feels without the annoying hysterical laughter from mostly lupa Didn’t think I’d live to see the day Love ❤️ you tho

7:18 7:39 Deja vu

Yall better than me cause I woulda paused this shit quick as hell to take a break, I couldn’t deal with it

素晴らしいリアクションでした。 この回は悲しかったですよね😢

I also cried during that scene.😭😭😭

YOURE WATCHING THE DANGERS IN MY HEART! LETSSS GOOOOOO

Hiromatsu's sacrifice is aka in chess a queen sacrifice. You don't do this unless you know you have victory at the tip of your fingers.

That was brutal

Toranaga sipping that Aizen tea😈

Omi addresses Yabushigge informally, just calling him Uncle instead of Lord, like he did when they first met. Yabu even responds to it right away "What do you want?!" instead of being offended by it. He's acknowledging his opinion and letting him speak his mind, seeing his nephew's got game. I think Hiromatsu and Nagakado's deaths have shook Omi. He's realizing that he's in over his head, his young dumb ambitions meeting reality. He's genuinely worried about his uncle not only as his patron protector, but as his few remaining family members.

Homie be playing 3d chess back when checkers wasn't invented

The crash out kid is low key a fire title 😂😂😂

As a guy who went to church that's right next to a dozen strip clubs The priests can spin that

This series singlehandedly reignited my weeb phase

it didn't take me till the last episode that even this was part of the play.. all of it.. 😭

This was a very good episode. I'm glad to see you guys react to it.

Yeah this show is mad peak!💪🏾🫶🏾🙌🏾✨🔥

Hiromatsu's death was one of the craziest scenes I've seen in recent years. It does show how strong is japanese culture and how far their customs about loyalty go.

I think the subterfuge is easier to see, if you think about the world they live in. Toronaga has spies everywhere feeding him information, so he knows that his enemies do as well, watching everything that happens in Edo and then reporting back to Osaka. Toronaga is a feared because of his intellect and his bloodline, so when they hear word the he is going to give up without a fight, no one in their right mind would think of it as anything other than a ploy. Toronaga knowing this pretends to act sickly and not attend his own sons funeral because of it knowing that word would get back to them giving some weight to the claim he would surrender. Toronage then brings all his vassals to pledge their loyalty knowing that some of them wouldn't and was absolutely ready to sacrifice a few of them to prove unconditionally that he plans to surrender. At the meeting when these things start to develop Hiromatzu immediately understands the ploy and offered himself instead knowing that his sacrifice being his best friend and mentor for decades would cement toronagas plans and that this would be the best way he can serve his lord in his mind. As for the Subbuku and seconding in general, its not a disrespect to be asked to second, it would be considered a great honour and would generally be performed by a loved one or someone who you deeply respect. The idea is to open your belly to show that you yourself would be willing to die for your belief, honour, dishonour etc. and your second would end your suffering as a mark of respect. You are not required to have a second and many chose not to and would just bleed their guts out on the floor in agony, but that kinda ruins the mood so wasn't often done.

Nothing beats the Yabushige and Blackthorne Duo. Giving Todo and Yuji vibes fr

Omg I cant wait for the next episode ANNNDDD DUNE 2 ANNNDDDD 3 body problem ?! I must prep for this...this week is gonna be way too much

Imagine being servants on the cleanup crew for these big meetings never knowing if you’re just gonna bus some empty tea cups and half burned incense or if you’re gonna have to clean up a bloody suicide and beheading.

This episode was rough.

Is the three body problem reaction video will be release on this channel?

This show is essentially Tokugawa Ieyasu’s rise and its depicted extremely well!!

Buntaro: pooring out his heart Sheera: fuck you, sir! Me: Mmmm hmmm

This was amazing. He had to trick even his allies to trick his enemies. And furthermor even the viewers like: "Is he surrendering? Nah. Its a play. Is it though? He Has to be cooking. Oh shit, he really is!" Wait no he's not.

Rejected by Mariko and seconded his father. * Sad Buntaro noises *

Torunaga breaking ankles like its and And1 compilation.

日本刀のように強く美しい生き様 私の家系の初代も切腹で死んでいる、現代に生きてる私には真似できない恐るべき心

Easily the best episode of the show

Love your guy's reactions, I deeply enjoy them. You guys really need to watch a show called "The Curse" with Nathan Fielder and Emma Stone. The ending to this show is insane, trust me

Y'all need to react to 'The First Slam Dunk'. The greatest sports anime movie IMO. Directed by Takehiko Inoue, the GOAT himself. The madman made 3 of the greatest manga ever (Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Real) and directed this masterpiece. He can't miss

Toranaga is only pretending to be sick and surrendering. It's a ruse to throw off his enemies. "My lord is known for his trickery."

1:11 that wasn't sad, that was funny and ironic 😂😂😂

Was so stressing watching this reaction knowing what will come at the end. Stressing even more knowing what will come of the next episode. In another note, anyone else at 14:19 get Perona vibes from that laugh😂😂

Rough episode for Buntaro.

I can’t wait for y’all to see the next episode! The finale is about to be craaaaaazy!

"hey look i allowed my dearest friend to commit suicide, that is how much i am committed to surrendering"