Toranaga is a different breed. He has to live with these sacrifices. Toranaga has an unwavering commitment to the cause. I also love that he made his son's rather meaningless death meaningful. He really is the man we think he is.

Subtext that was missed in the seppuku scene: Hiromatsu had figured out Toranaga's plan. He even tells the other guys that Toranaga was going to fight, or else he wouldn't have sent the priest with a message. That means that Hiromatsu went into his final meeting knowing what he had to do... but that also means that Toranaga didn't want Hiromatsu to die; he even tries to get one of the other generals to 'fess up and do it. But Hiromatsu yells at everyone to shut up, and makes sure to sacrifice himself so that Toranaga keeps all his top military minds. Hiromatsu did, indeed, know his duty well.

Puns aside, I think what Mariko said to Buntaro is the most brutal thing I’ve ever heard one human say to another. He deserved it, but holy cow it was incendiary. She’s so fkn *metal*

The nonverbal face acting in this show is legit insane 🙌

I'll put it simply... the seppuku that occurred was to support the internal conflict of his friend Toranaga and at the same time save the 3 generals behind him... if he didn't do the seppuku everyone there would fall. a sacrifice in every dimension.

So on the official podcast, the creators said Toronaga didn't know that it would be Hiromatsu who would sacrifice himself to convince Osaka that he was surrendering. He figured it would be one of the others. But Hiromatsu knew that his death would be the most meaningful. He also wanted to spare the others.

Its amazing how this show can pull of so many powerful moments. Both the writing and the acting really is masterful.

You are right, Edo has grown since then. Its now a little place called Tokyo

"You got city planned!" 🤣

19:37 if you notice: Toranaga give a subtle Deep eye blink of determination to hiromatsu when hiromatsu going to do seppuku, hiromatsu know that he is going to be victory and hes death pave the way :D the eye acting IS BEYOND. if you notice body language from toranaga to hiromatsu you notice... THIS IS ALL A PLAN!!

Toronaga trolling the Jesuits by giving them land near the courtesans was just taking trolling to a whole other level.

I am so ready for Mariko to kick some ass. I wonder if she's going to play into the traitor stereotype because of her father. I am just in awe of the acting in this show. Everyone, but in this episode especially, shout out to Omi's actor, because he was EATING. The long game. Apparently the seppuku scene is what sold the show to the actor who plays Hiromatsu, and I just stand up and applaud, because watching two veteran actors who have played period before, him and Sanada-san who plays Toronaga, amazing. Also, this show and it's use (and lack thereof) of lighting. God it's gorgeous.

Part of the ride or die, is that Hiromatsu committing seppuku was it brought the other three lords in line. The ones that worse the armor to the funeral. Gin and Kiku moment, (getting zoned) I think there is more insight there. "If you see nothing you must look harder" If Kiku is Gin student, and Gin see's that Toranaga MUST have a plan, she passed that along. Kiku was trying to get Kashigi that there is a plan, but he can not see it. (not saying she knew what it was, just that there is a plan) The fact that Toranaga did end up giving Gin her plot of land seems to say that he does plan on a future. Even with the death of his son.

One thing you can say about Hiromatsu…he had some guts

Yea man this hurt me a lot Miramatsu was my favorite character. He stole every scene he was in

The realisation that his son knew he wouldn't survive the attack on the tea house (one way or another) buying him the 49 days, and his friend giving his life to convince the room he was going to surrender...wow. what a show. Doing everything I can to avoid reading about the coming battle in Japans history.

“You just got zoned” instant classic 😂

Man that seppuku scene was incredibly tense. Hiromatsu was one brave son of a gun.

Ok I finally see what's going on. Toranaga is the ebodiment of the Japanese philosophy of service to something greater than oneself. He has to keep everything hidden from everyone in order to sell this ploy of defeat, so that he can pull off a Trogan horse in Osaka and avoid a war that would destroy Edo and cost many lives. Only his closest friends can guess what he's doing and then play along. Hiromatsu knew that the other vassals doubted that Toranaga was really surrendering, so he saved the deception by literally giving his life to solidify this illusion. Toranaga has had to let his friends and loved ones suffer and even die for all of this, and what for? Because HE serves the future of Japan, and the vision he has for it. He has lost a son, his closest friend, and the trust of his vassals, but he will not waver from his path. Truly inspiring, if hard to understand from a Western pov.

6:01 Edo in modern day is massive, aka Tokyo.

OH BOY, that new Vlistarian Lore. Kthulu’s A Peach. All his unknowable tentacles, reaching out like the roots of a grand orchard. Now I’m just picturing the oxford comma as a cameo shot of kthulu’s head. The tail of the comma is his dangling mouth tendril, just hangin loose.

I think the subtext in that scene was: - Toranaga needed everybody to sign the surrender for the feint to work - He faced a mini revolt in the room - Hiromatsu saw what was happening and took it all upon himself, as a way of silencing the others (not a pre-planned scheme between him and Toranaga) - Toranaga was shocked by this and wanted to smack the shit out of his best friend for being so selflessly loyal at the cost of his own life. But he couldn't say anything, which is why he was racked with that horrible angry conflicted look. - Hiromatsu rolled a nat20 insight, read his friend's mind, saw the whole plan, and knew that his death was the masterstroke needed to sell it. And Toranaga knew it too.

You guys missed what honor and loyalty means to the Japanese, as well as their belief in sacrificing their lives for the common good. Even if they show dissent, in the end they will be willing to march to their deaths in service of their sworn lord.

The entire show is a culture clash on "how to fight a war" and other culture clashes. This is totally different kind of fighting than what john and us are used to

There is a proverb in Mr. Son's military tactics that says, ``Before deceiving your enemy, first deceive your allies,'' and the death of his son (who did not even attend his funeral) and seppuku of a senior vassal were all part of this. His senior ministers saw through his plan that he had no intention of going against Osaka, and made his plan a success with his own death.

City planned!!! ZONED!!! 😂😂😂

Edo was nothing but a dumpy wet land back then. Taiko deliberately gave Toranaga such wasteland to curb his power. I love how they portrayed it accurately. Now Edo is the biggest city in the world called Tokyo.

Toranaga just sacrificed his Rook and Knight. Wow. Everyone else playing checkers. Game on!

“You just got Zoned!” Also, now we know what the commas in the Church of the Oxford Comma represent.

The way I see it is that as soon as Toranaga’s brother betrayed him, he knew that Crimson Sky wouldn’t work. The only way to beat them is to do it from the inside, and the only way to get in without them expecting anything is under the guise of surrender. But he had to look like he had accepted it totally or no one would let their guard down. I don’t think he initially suspected it would lead to his friend committing Seppuko though until it was happening. Can’t wait to see how the show ends cause it’s crazy!

Man oh man…. I really want to read the book now

"Click it. Or don't. I'm not your Elder Horror from Outside the Universe"

Talk about a ride or die bestie! Hiromatsu REALLY believed in the plan.....

The Cthulhu tangent at the beginning just…I love it

Stare not into the tube void. Beware the faceless commas. Hallowed be Peachthulu!

I never noticed you guys have movie seats edited in. My brain always assumed it was a curtain for some reason 😂😂

Need a strong stomach for this episode.

"If he bails, then what's the story?" My dudes. Blackthorn isn't the story. This is Toranaga's story.

Adam is right though. *leaves* “in five days, as the sun rises, look to the east.” *looks to the east* *adam appears from the west and slits the enemy throats from behind while they’re looking east.*

All the things you guys say in reaction are hilarious… things that would not have occurred to me to say. I enjoy your videos!

Appreciate Adam for wearing that Krull shirt. Longtime fav movie of mine

Can you believe this episode ? It had me spilling my guts all over the place with grief, .. I couldn’t handle it.. i totally lost my head cryin’ over the fact that Gin’s courtesans will have to deal with potentially terrible neighbors. Oh, & old Iron Fist ( Hiromatsu ) died. 😢

Thanks for another great video!

It was either him or the 3 other generals going down for disobedience. Hard core loyalty.

Toranaga really took that “Unless I Win” quote to the extreme

Many thanks to Jay and Adam! 🗾

If Toranaga had let others in on the plan…it would get out, and unknowable Toranaga plan becomes known, clan obliterated. Hiro Matsu sells plan, which he deduced, accidentally told others that Toranaga had not given up bc of priest message…realized he screwed up, pretended to argue with Toranaga, told another Edo general to stop his argument with Tory, told his son not to die, knowing Tory needed him for any potential hostilities, and totally sold Tora’s “surrender.”

You’re damn right we’re latching on to Cthulhu being a Peach 😂 But also: holy moly this episode 😮

I haven’t read the book, so guessing here: I think Toranaga is setting up a “Trojan Horse” scenario… where Osaka will allow him, his leadership and troops (because he’ll somehow have his brother’s following him by then [which means episode 7’s events were part of the plan]) into the city (or too close to well defend itself). He didn’t want his friend to die, but the two of them had a plan to ensure the other leaders would willingly follow “defeated” Toranaga to Osaka… quietly (no spy leaks) get them in place. At that last meeting though, several were clearly going to refuse… so M had to play the extreme “I will die for your cause” card… and now honour will require them to follow. Wow! Such a good episode and show!!

The next episode title is 'Crimson Sky."

Putting a red-light district next to a church is one hell of a move and I fully support it :D

"Five days, look to the East" ☠️☠️☠️ Meanwhile - you continue to troll me, personally, with that Krull TShirt! Been asking for years on that front! I get how crazy your schedules are but damn it, there's time for some sci-fi/fantasy/love/western/British/comedy/epic action in ALL our lives! ❤ u guys 😁

The ultimate bro code... if Hiromatsu sensed the objective then it makes sense why he would ask his son his 2nd to not give up on their lord ... because he knew what the end game was... Real Gangsta move there..😢

Toranaga has been cooking. He put the roast in the oven hours ago and is just trying to stop his incompetent friends & family from taking it out before it's done.

20:04 that “Then die…” was ice cold. Holy shit…..

Tokugawa Ieyasu is portrait in this novel as toronaga meaning this is how he became the shogunate in this novel version it's not historically accurate but it follows the same path

"hey look i allowed my dearest friend to commit suicide, that is how much i am committed to surrendering"

一番まともなリアクションをされてますね。他の人の動画で切腹の場面でゲラゲラ笑っているリアクションがあったけど神経を疑いました。

Been waitin for this reaction. I kinda lost it watching the pivotal scene. Took about 15m to stop crying. Damn this show. ❤

Sometimes a show can broaden one’s outlook. I’m not saying we shouldn’t value human life, but we can understand a different perspective on duty, honor, and fate. That scene between Hiro and Lord T was not planned but in those closing moments there was profound understanding what each had to do.

I keep expecting people to recognize the tea ceremony from Karate Kid 2 but no one ever mentions it.😂

I think Mariko was supposed to wed the Taiko and become the Lady Ochibe and her father suddenly pulled her from the path she'd been trained for and married her off to a lowly samurai and she believe she was denied her destiny.

Hiro wasn't the one to sacrifice himself, i think the first guy who spoke up was....that why toranaga ,looked shaken...did u see who everytime he tried to say something Hiro shouted for him to b quiet.

Toranaga does not have enough army to face another 4 times larger in addition to having people decimated by the earthquake, the tactics have to be extreme

ようこそ！メールが届きました！ 📩 Yōkoso! Mēru ga todokimashita! 📩

Well now I'm gonna be mad if Cthulu Sama doesn't show up 😆😆

Toranaga wanted the general to commit seppuku and since they looked like they wanted to attack him his best friend did that

This will be an unpopular take, but I really like Mariko's husband and, in context of the time period and the culture of the time, kind get what he's going through. He loves his wife so much he couldn't bear to see her commit seppuku and denied her request (bear in mind that Mariko's father wanted her to live as well, which is why he had her marry this Samurai particularly). And in response Mariko does everything in her power to make him unhappy, giving him "nothing" as she said herself. She shows warmth to their son, but never to him, which is why he snaps whenever he sees them interact. He knows she was happy when she thought he had died, he knows her and John have slept together, and he knows he loves a women who refuses to love him back, no matter what he tries to do. It's an emotional abuse and as a warrior he only knows how to respond with violence as Mariko makes his life as difficult as she can get away with. Don't believe me? Take a look at that arrow scene again when he shoots the post through the wall. He never told Mariko to hold still, yet she refused to get out of the way. Why? Why would she do that? Maybw she wanted to be blocking his path, forcing him to narrowly miss her so that he could make his shot, and you can see he was only inches away from missing his target. Hell, even Toranaga gets tired of her crap when she begs him to let her end her own life by slapping her knife away. This is a ruined marriage, and from where I'm standing, Mariko, again in the context of the time, isn't an innocent party in this.

I saw this commented on another channel, so I take no credit for catching it (to whomever that nameless commenter was, I salute you). Repeatedly in the show Toranaga has said that conflict and fighting will only lead to senseless death, and that he doesn't believe in senseless death. Hiromatsu saying "So you DO believe in senseless death" is a subtle way of saying "so you DO plan on fighting".

All hail the dark lord in all his tentacly ominousness

Incoming Peachthulu fanart

Oamag please do something with KRULL!!!

Toranaga's got 49 days to come up with a plan, all while disguising it as a surrender during his mourning period.

I love how Blackthorne was disgusted by how filthy his former crewmate was man has really gone native.

Adam is a bad friend. Ride or die.❤❤😉

There is no peace without war Let your vassals fight and die Hiromatsu広松 loves Toranaga I taught that to my son Buntaro文太郎 and Mariko鞠子 will die together for Toranaga虎永 虎永..he doesn't give up Toranaga虎永 teamed up Yabushige藪重 and Anjin按針 My brother's army also joins in. Total army of over 100,000 people

Where geographically is the Erasmus? Yabu was not told HOW to "deliver" the guns.

Hiromatsu actor is very understand about Bushido. this show is very authentic! I'm so glad to watch it and introduce about Japan as Japanese.

Toronaga's playing chess while the others are playing checkers ... or just CaH & not even realizing what game he's got goin'!

You should watch maxxxine trailer pls

What the hell is in the corner that you guys always look at!! 😂

17:00 Talk about insulting. The courtesans, in my opinion, deserve a better class of neighbor. 😂

I'm really hoping that they decide to do more seasons of the show and "go beyond" the end of the book. There's almost twenty years of interesting history between where the book ends and where the real William Adams ends.....

Wow, you guys literally have your heads filled with sawdust.

DUDE - Where is the X-Men Episode 5 reaction?!?!

Mr. JAY-SAN and Mr. ADAM-SAN🎉 I really would like to be your 「FUJI」so much indeed, dude🌷🍀❤ from🇯🇵🗾🏯

must be nice to have ppl opening door for you

Yeah, about your title, the bro code has nothing to do with it.

Thanks for your reaction. Mariko was never "in love" with John. Toranaga and she have a higher plan. That is to save Japan and for Mariko to clear her family name. Both Mariko and Toranaga have been planning for a long time, and they both will not be deterred. I personally, view Blackthorn as a coward. He always looking "how to save his neck". Blackthorn doesn't care about Japan; all he thinks about is the "Black Ship", get his crew and go home.

日本人のことを理解できましたか？

Yeah, I still prefer the original show. I don't agree with the direction they've chosen

The director and writers were too lazy to give a reasonable thing to sacrify Hiromatsu. Ishido wasn't even to rush Toranaga yet but they believe Toranaga's defeat wasn't enough? The show should definitely give some clues for example Ishido's spies everywhere, ... To push Hiromatsu sacrified himself to prove the fake defeat.

No ramifications this show is uninterested in logical reactions to the character choices and more interested in showing how much of a colonizer Blackthorn is (colonizer is a direct quote from show runners). Remember John is based on a real man who became a Samurai and married a Japanese woman and had children and died in Japan after spending the rest of his life there

..the next move is Crimson Sky.. a political psy op.. Mariko sacrificed and rescue of the Regent's families. The sacrifice of Mariko, a Christian, sways at least two of the other Christian Regent's. The rescue of the other hostages sways more who have no love lost for Ishido's machinations. This then sets the stage for the Battle of Sekigahara.

Xmen plzzzzz