Raziel... Janos must stay dead.

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Me too thank you sir

Perhaps... And technically Moebius was right in soul reaver 2 when said that Kain(with Nupraptor's corruption) is a "cancer" to Nosgoth!

The Soul Reaver a weapon to surpass Metal Gear

The Hylden infected the vampires with Nano machine son

Truly a work of art

I think Kain would be worse to the lesser races. I mean look at what he ended up doing to Raziel's little wings. The Hylden were the answer. Why be a slave to another's hunger when you can be a slave to another's need for power? Eh? No?

@@ivanidlehand9651 Found the Hylden guys

@@ivanidlehand9651 Perhaps, but Kain might be the saviour of all living beings since he might eliminate the Elder God - the parasite that literally enslaves and feeds all the souls in existence!

Don't worry, we already shared it around👍

@@RainaAudron oh sry then 😅😂well you got my sub now tho 😉

@@RainaAudron I filled it out as soon as I heard about it. It was actually right after I beat SR2 for probably the 20th time and I decided to look up the fan sites like Lost Worlds and stuff for LoK cause I hadn't taken the time to look at them yet. First thing that showed up was an article talking about the survey, pretty fresh too. I'm glad it seemed to be a pretty in depth survey. It bodes well. Was a bit tough though, cause it asks you to pick only 5 core choices for certain questions when it would've been so easy to pick a lot more. But I digress. I'm glad they put the survey out. Gives me a bit of hope for the series, but I won't deny I'm also a bit worried cause this is a series that needs to be handled with a lot of care. Alright, gonna go play Defiance now.

Seeing as how the elder sees the hylden as not much of a concern over making sure kain is dead my guess is this theory is probable. Why would he care if the hylden can sense him if they remain banished while he has access to all the vampie souls to feed on but then the human souls. He has no need for souls unbound from the wheell

Add to the fact that the hylden would have been corrupted from their time in the demon world they most likely wouldnt bother with the elder god at this point either because those that knew of it are either so changed or dead that the elder god isnt a factor in their plans/lives

She is working at Skydance at the moment.

@@RainaAudron Oh come on! Before we had Lara Croft series and now we have Star wars? When they will devote some time to Legacy of Kain! But anyway it is better to wait and not to rush the next LOK game, and we need her guidance, don't we?

So when she said her fate lay along a different path than Kain's, what she really meant was My fate is only this cutscene, right here right now, and there is no path involved because I'm not taking another step. (I doubt she died there, unless her fate was to reincarnate as something specific to further the plot. Otherwise, teleportation escape. Which she just managed easily for Kain. The empty rocking chair moving on seemed to say she was moving on too, maybe disappearing again, but only for a little while since in a minute there would be no hylden left to hide from. Assuming her vampire side lets her survive in Nosgoth after BloodOmen2. If it doesn't, that's maybe a good reason for her to die and reincarnate....but then she wastes the cool hybrid body, so I'm not in favor of that.) Great potential there with that character. Tough to write her alternate fate path, though! I think she used to advise Hylden Lord when his plan was still on track, and then she quit and that explains why he's now blind to things like Kain's comeback and the hyldens' defeat. It's impossible to find a time when Vorador could have turned her (he was vamped After the curse, which means after the banishment, which means she wouldn't have been there to vampify). Unless all these events happened gradually and there was a longer overlap period----only then would cursed vamps have the opportunity to interact with (bite) hylden on the nosgoth side of the barrier. Or Has the Seer been here all along, even before the corrupting of the pillars let the BO2 hylden jailbreak happen. It's all fuzzy. On purpose. So the next game could do whatever they wanted to.

@@larrymcmacarroon9529 you gotta great point there! The way I was seeing it, she could have broke free sometime after Kain’s defeat. Amy Henig and others who helped put this series together LOVES the number 500! I mean, despite Blood Omen 2 taking place 400 years after Kain refused the sacrifice, everything else seems to revolve around 500yrs. All of us here know how much can happen in just 1 year alone, so there is definitely plenty that could have happened within even a decade after Kain’s defeat. Her being the former advisor to the Sarafan Lord sounds great as well! After all, the Sarafan Lord was extremely negligent in the end, not having foreseen Kain being able to recover so quickly and thwart all of his long arduous work within such a short amount of time. That was humiliating! I’d like to talk about that, too. I may be straying away from what the developers left us with but was that really the Hylden Lord we see in BO2? The self proclaimed Sarafan Lord? I’m starting to ask this because he appears to look like all the others we encounter in the game, albeit the only distinction is the glowing aurora around his head and eyes appearing to look like a Hylden possessed by another. Going back and revisiting the series, the developers left yet another possibility that we haven’t truly seen the real Hylden Lord. This could also help explain why the Sarafan Lord was so negligent. The leader wearing that armor could have been the right hand to the Hylden Lord. The Hylden Lord could have been coming and going in and out of his conscious. While the Hylden Lord was away trying to make way for his army, this right hand servant could have been making grave errors that caused their catastrophic loss to Kain. I feel that would make for a better explanation than what we have been left with; that that was the Hylden Lord, Sarafan Lord, and General all in one 😅 Blood Omen 2 really hurt the timeline. But, I will defend the steam punk environment because the Hylden were far ahead in technology than the Vampires wanted to conform to, and it heavily reflects how far along we came with our industrial revolution during the 19th century! Kain passed out for 200yrs, the world is definitely going to change! 😂

Blood Omen 2 is fine. Young Kain was whiny, a disappointing portrayal maybe, so players joined in with the whining. Most complaints amount to "our god is missing from this game" (Hennig). But the content was fine, it only fumbled in the execution, lacking those little explanation blurbs that could have smoothed things over with the other games. That's a good take on hylden lord (him being possessed by the real boss, which is why he had more green possession glow than a body possessed by regular hylden. Could be. My way of making the failed invasion "okay" is by saying it succeeded in the way that mattered most, and then the hylden "defeat" covered this up so it won't be discovered until Kain goes to hell ages later to discover the truth. False histories are a theme, so it's possible we haven't seen the true battle of champions yet, and maybe the real Hashakgik will emerge from slumber and be pissed off at the hylden for impersonating him, and at Elder God for "failing to do the one job i gave you!" Mmmm, multiple elder gods. That would have been swell.

kain was created with the heart of darkness

That's the thing, neither were right and wrong, even though Ancients started the war, Hylden built a weapon of mass destruction. Hylden, didn't revive Raziel. EG plugged himself into him but he would have risen up anyway.

Nah, most likely he awakened just like any other vampire wraith

@charleshastings7260 Sorry, but that's simply wrong. The Mass is not the same thing as EG. We have an original developer confirm that EG resurrected him but Raziel would have risen anyway. These are facts, not speculation.

Not only that. Crystal dynamics has published a survey for fans about what would they want for the future of the series.

Thank you! We will see what happens!

@@Niyucuatro I know, thank you. I have already completed the survey.

@@RainaAudron I even mentioned your name in the survey, so they will see your videos! 🙂

@@user-il2gy2rq5x Aww, I appreciate that ❤️

Wow! Interesting finding! 👍

The Elder God probably influence tỷ Ancients to go to war with Hyldens.

Even in Lotr it's not so simple but there was undeniably much villainy in the Hylden too. They certainly also sought domination and power. The EG manipulation of Ancients was what drove them to start the war on the religious ground...which makes Elder God responsible for that conflict. The Ancients seemed like a peaceful and powerful civilization, quite enlightened and noble in their own right, Janos as an example of his race seems very compassionate and reasonable, even treating humans with understanding though both of the ancient races were so much 'superior' and so easily could have looked on humans as 'worse' (and Hylden truly did, the imagery of them studying humans like some curious animal on the murals etc. Hylden ultimately see humans as slaves to their will). When it comes to Lotr the 'good side' nature orientation vs evil technological is only a bit of simplification....the evil side is more likely to push into technological advancement due to the power and influence it brings in a way allowing for large scale reshaping of the world to the will of one who...naturally wants all the power. As Tolkien put it: "The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless." .... "I do not intend to involve myself in any debate whether 'magic' in any sense is real or really possible in the world. But I suppose that, for the purposes of the tale, some would say that there is a latent distinction such as once was called the distinction between magia and goeteia.1 Galadriel speaks of the 'deceits of the Enemy'. Well enough, but magia could be, was, held good (per se), and goeteia bad. Neither is, in this tale, good or bad (per se), but only by motive or purpose or use. Both sides use both, but with different motives. The supremely bad motive is (for this tale, since it is specially about it) domination of other 'free' wills. The Enemy's operations are by no means all goetic deceits, but 'magic' that produces real effects in the physical world. But his magia he uses to bulldoze both people and things, and his goeteia to terrify and subjugate. Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet faggot) for specific beneficent purposes. Their goetic effects are entirely artistic and not intended to deceive: they never deceive Elves (but may deceive or bewilder unaware Men) since the difference is to them as clear as the difference to us between fiction, painting, and sculpture, and 'life'. Both sides live mainly by 'ordinary' means. The Enemy, or those who have become like him, go in for 'machinery' - with destructive and evil effects - because 'magicians', who have become chiefly concerned to use magia for their own power, would do so (do do so). The basic motive for magia - quite apart from any philosophic consideration of how it would work - is immediacy: speed, reduction of labour, and reduction also to a minimum (or vanishing point) of the gap between the idea or desire and the result or effect. But the magia may not be easy to come by, and at any rate if you have command of abundant slave-labour or machinery (often only the same thing concealed), it may be as quick or quick enough to push mountains over, wreck forests, or build pyramids by such means. Of course another factor then comes in, a moral or pathological one: the tyrants lose sight of objects, become cruel, and like smashing, hurting, and defiling as such. It would no doubt be possible to defend poor Lotho's introduction of more efficient mills; but not of Sharkey and Sandyman's use of them." J.R.R.Tolkien letters The side of evil in Lotr, Mordor or rather the singular figure behind it, the one tyrant god-king who wants to rule the world and shape it according to HIS will (so Dark Lord Sauron) is indeed an evil that needs to be fought....obviously the difference between the war with him and Ancient war with Hylden in Nosgoth is that in Nosgoth there was that a deceptive tyrant figure (Elder God) manipulated the 'free folk' to fight........much in a way that Sauron deceived the Numenoreans (further corrupting them to evil) so they would wage war upon the gods themselves and try to invade Aman the Blessed Realm :). The spirituality of the Ancients, who valued life itself was taken advantage of and turned to their undoing......in a way this also resembles how the Elves were deceived by Sauron into forging the Rings of Power! Tolkien even called that the 'second fall' of the Elves! In Tolkien's world one also may note that while Elves are indeed more spiritual, nature, peace loving beings, they (or groups of them) too were apt to veer into scientific and technological the Noldor, High Elves were the ones who were always most interested in magic and machines as Tolkien put it! "But at Eregion great work began - and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods)...." ... "Noldor] meant 'the Wise', that is those who have great knowledge and understanding. The Noldor indeed early showed the greatest talents of all the Elves both for intellectual pursuits and technical skills." History of Middle-earth XI The War of the Jewels "Part 4. Quendi and Eldar" Part C: The Clan-names "Noldor" ... "The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men. That is: they have a devoted love of the physical world, and a desire to observe and understand it for its own sake and as ‘other’ - sc. as a reality derived from God in the same degree as themselves - not as a material for use or as a power-platform." In a way both Ancients and Hylden are on almost extreme ends, Ancients though still must have some quite engineering knowledge and technical skills (they must have used some sort of devices and machines, though they seem to be more...magically inclined) but Hylden were the extreme scientists scientists who have purely material science and technology at heart....the Elves are a bit of both :) also depending on specific group. The general similarities between Lotr and Legacy of Kain may be there :). "…Anyway all this stuff is mainly concerned with Fall, Mortality, and the Machine. With Fall inevitably, and that motive occurs in several modes. With Mortality, especially as it affects art and the creative (or as I should say, sub-creative) desire which seems to have no biological function, and to be apart from the satisfactions of plain ordinary biological life, with which, in our world, it is indeed usually at strife. This desire is at once wedded to a passionate love of the real primary world, and hence filled with the sense of mortality, and yet unsatisfied by it. It has various opportunities of ‘Fall’. It may become possessive, clinging to the things made as ‘its own’, the sub-creator wishes to be the Lord and God of his private creation. He will rebel against the laws of the Creator - especially against mortality. Both of these (alone or together) will lead to the desire for Power, for making the will more quickly effective, - and so to the Machine (or Magic). By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of development of the inherent inner powers or talents - or even the use of these talents with the corrupted motive of dominating: bulldozing the real world, or coercing other wills. The Machine is our more obvious modern form though more closely related to Magic than is usually recognised." And Nosgoth sees this fall in practice :), mortality, the life and rebirth, and immortality of the vampires etc. power and domination.

Funny you mention that.. saw user Ceilort making BO into an isometric style yesterday. Embracer only recently purchased the IP, they wouldn't have done so unless they have plans for it.

Sorry? Nothing has been confirmed yet.

wish this was true...

I always thought the Mass was the Elder God. Kain kills it, sending it to the spirit world, outside of time, where it continues to feed on vampires, and sets up a domino chain of temporal events to ensure its own existence...

They built machines for possession in the demon realm. They are described as scientists without morals.

No, but when the game came out, it was all described in the manual 😜

@@RainaAudron Still surprised me lol

Correct, Kain is a special case, raised by necromancy/HOD thus he can only create more vampires via necromancy by using part of his soul.

It was stated by one of the designers that the Scion of Balance has some of the powers of all the guardians. So Kain most likely created vampires the same way Mortanius created him.

@@ericstaples7220 kain was reanimated through the heart of darkness. In order for him to bring his favoured sons back to life. He used parts of his own soul

@@ysbryd9779 Yep that was Mortanius's redemption angle because they didn't know that the Pillars were keeping the Hylden away, until the Sarafan/Hylden Lord, the Head Honcho of the Hylden took advantage of this by possessing Mortanius to kill Ariel and establishing the Hash ak' Gik' cult in Avernus due to Azimuth's nefarious shenanigans.

If you do not meant the intro, that is the BO2 theme.

She is a vampire/Hylden hybrid, that was already confirmed.

I have a direct quote: "we had set up a seer in Nosgoth who was considered an abomination: a Hylden Vampyre hybrid from the old days. She wasn't banished to the Demon Realm, but was afflicted by the curse of the Hylden." Daniel Cabuco

@@RainaAudron What? She's both vampire and Hylden!?😱

There isn't really one. Their goals regarding Raziel aligned to give the impression of a grand conspiracy, but it doesn't really exist. Both hate the vampire but aside from that the Hylden and EG don't really get along.

@@bazlmoon ah, makes sense. It would be nice to see the supposed rumored sequel had them interact with each other.

Lets just say... if kain and raziel hate elder god, the hylden are the og haters from millenias past

Or "God" and its variations. Turrell was worshipped as a God, not a spiritual leader.

Well, they were forced into a desperate situation by the Elder God and the ancient vampires.

The hylden became monsters but them trying to wipe out the vamps is still wrong 2 wrongs dont make a right yea they got banished but they still lived between their influence and the elder god and his pawn mobius the vamps became an endangered species

.....What?

No Snape killed Dumbledore

slowly friend, we see that in defiance when the leder god gets crumbled by the architecture and ascends down. But youre on a path i also went for. BUt for what you describe the times doesnt match up, cause of that 200 years after bo1 thing, we saw the elder god 200 years before, concious. (maybe the hylden captured him?🤔) now i really struggle xD Concerning the lore in BO2 the archictecure in merdian is old, and was only dug up, together with the mass, so i bet, the first time they did that 2000 years ago whatnot, they created something bigger there. So its actually the birth of the elder god (but offscreen, the first time they used the mass), so the mass as we saw it would be the elder god 2 but kain kills it. that, or the elder god is a veeeeeeeery old vampire. I struggle between those two.

@@GreenSabre187 The elder god we meet in Soul Reaver 1 exists outside of time - we meet him at the furthest point in the timeline, yet he's always aware of "current" events in the story without using a chronoplast to move through time, and seems aware of reaver paradoxes without being present. Kain killing him in BO2 sends him to the spirit world, where time does not flow, so he can exist outside of time in some fashion. He's manipulating time travellers to ensure his own existence.

Mortanius had horns/spikes on his armor. You’re right, why bother? It’s a shame how the writers couldn’t keep up with their own story, and especially a shame how Crystal Dynamics and Silcon Knights couldn’t settle their discrepancies disregarding such a rich story they started

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You described 99% of modern video games and movies. So guess we should pnly make videos on a handful of games from the 80s since those will be the only ones without retcons and oddities with the lore.

Then just... Don't watch videos about it? And go and fecking WRITE that better ending. The LOK fanfics sections at AO3 and FFNet are absolutely _anemic_ and if you're so sure you can do better, DO IT.

Kamikaze Because Legacy of Kain has the best lore (that has to do with Vampires) If you do not like Leagacy of Kain then watch those stupid modern western garbage like Twilight etc