Screw that woke social media company censoring this.

I think you meant to write "descent" in the description, not dissent?

later this 2024 there's going to a biopic of ronald reagon are you going to be talking about the reagon film

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Unsurprisingly similar to neonazi positions in Germany.

​@@SomePotato*all over the world

​@@ilovepancakes225 ah yes, the classic "West bad" take, was waiting for it.

​@ilovepancakes225 of course. Every villain in history was just a victim of The West. We should just forget the genocide because it makes Enver Pasha 2.0 feel sad:(

Thank you for pointing that out. I'll pin a comment soon about it

I can understand part of the assertment that people confuse it since the genocides perpetrated by the Ottoman and Turkish authorities focused on the whole Christian population of the Ottoman Empire (regardless of denomination, being an Armenian, a Pontic Greek, or an Assyrian). To the Turkish governments of Constantinople and Ankara, they were treated as Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental) subjects ruled by their respective Patriarchs and Archbishops.

Was literally in the middle of writing up a comment about this before checking and seeing your comment. Thanks for pointing it out, everyone always forgets about the Oriental Orthodox.

And??....

@@Biedrik4 I think Armenian folk belief sometimes gets called polytheistic for seeing Noah's family as their own lesser gods

He was a Jewish lawyer and Holocaust survivor.

Better late than never, I guess, but that is shockingly late.

Wonder why Mississippi is holding out.

@@mcgovemj From what I understand, it was primarily economic self interest. They had a lot of international business investment from Turkish firms and were hesitant to cross that line for fear of souring relations.

@@mcgovemjI doubt the average Mississippian has ever even heard of Armenia, let alone the Armenian Genocide

No surprise from a state that has Confederate Memorial Day as a holiday. This is why Mississippi can't have nice things.

Turk here. Hi. I think you meant here comes the nationalists.

​@@DarkArcticTV ne alaka?

@@DarkArcticTV So basically all of them

@@DarkArcticTVsame thing

Bro this happened within the last year. And people ignored it.

Yeah forgotten, this is why every Kyle from Idaho wants to liberate Constantinople. If you want a real forgotten genocide talk about the Assyrians.

It doesn't seem to have done that yet.

@@MatthewTheWanderer Only one thread have caught their attention so far

@@Makeyousmile-vv4cr never said I hated Turkish people. I don’t like governments denying actual atrocities they committed.

It means that they can never heal. This hatred between Turkey and Armenia will never be able to change, to improve, to move into a better place until Turkey is able to acknowledge, culturally, where the Armenians are coming from

My memory could trick me, but if i remember correctly the current offical turkish denial was kind of instated by the current turkish leader. So there is probably hope that when he's not in office anymore at some point this might change there too.

@@samwill7259Turkey has been denying the genocide since the genocide took place.

@@alituncer4245 he means the nation in which modern day turkey inhabits now - the ottoman empire, for example, was the predecessor to the turkey we know today :)

According to Wikipedia the first genocide in modern history was perpetrated by the Chinese Imperial Government in the late 18th century when they killed hundreds of thousands of Dzungarians - a Mongol related minority of northern China. So genocide is far from being only a Middle Eastern or European phenomenon.

@@kaloarepo288 Obviously, but it was that the first genocide to be called a genocide? Were are looking from a historiography perspective, or the history of history.

@@JonBerry555 A genocide as I understand it, is an attempt to wipe out a whole ethnic group and its culture so that no traces of it can be found. Ancient Romans would have done it as with the Etruscans - to such an extent that their language and literature has been lost -they also did it with Carthage. So its not just about killing people it can also be about depriving some groups of their culture without actually killing them and channeling them into your own culture - so arguably forbidding native groups in the Americas and in Australia being forced to adopt western customs and language and to forget their native cultures.

@@JonBerry555 Well, the term was first coined in 1944 to describe what the Nazis were doing to Poles in Poland, and was retroactively applied to the Armenian genocide.

@@minutemansam1214 Was the nazis or the communists?

Dehumanization of a group of people is a helluva drug, innit?

And if none of those work, there's "Hey, they're doing great now-have you seen some of those casinos?"

I almost never hear of any of the perpetrators or their sympathizers talk like the first two ways, which I find strange. After all, if they hate the genocide victims so much, why do they almost always deny committing genocide against them?

@@MatthewTheWanderer look at what religious Zionists are saying now.

Nr. 1 and 2 rely on others having a negative enough view of those populations too.

Something neat as well is that the government of Armenia honored Serj Tankian and SOAD for spreading awareness on the history. Also California in 1997 I think was one of the first states to recognize the Armenian Genocide which probably owed to there being a lot of Armenian Americans living in Glendale which is where SOAD was formed

The original episode reviewed a movie that Serj Tankian did some of the soundtrack for. That's how I found out about the song

@@CynicalHistorian Thank you for continuously putting out good historical content. I have followed your channel for several years now. I always look forward to seeing a new video drop.

ignored ? You have the support of US behind you

I long have

Wow, that's uh diabolical

That's vile

As a person who’s half Turkish I’d wish someday that the Turkish government would just admit to what they did to the Armenians instead of just falsely deny it. There have been way too many ethnic cleansings and mass genocides that have happened all around the world. I feel like that the worst enemy to the human race is… the human race. Ever since Iran and Israel have been firing misiles at each other you cannot convince me otherwise that we are capable of a nuclear holocaust.

​@@78skj because the turkish were not acting in good faith? Doesn't matter because all you have to do is the bare minimum amount of research. All the evidence is public. It's not been hidden by Turkey, nor does Armenia pretend it exists.

I'm surprised no one else released a video. Then again, the main reason why I cut this from a previous one is that so few videos have been made on the topic, so it needed to be disconnected from the review

​@@CynicalHistorianCan you make one on thr Bangladeshi Genocide by Pakistan? 40 Million Gone or so , They could habe gotten away wiyh it , Of they hadnt Attacked India who latet stepped in.

@@alituncer4245 i agree with razzanonymous, and i am from andorra so 🤷🏻‍♂🤷🏻‍♂

They also have to deal with Azerbaijan.

The Circassians, who fled from the Russians to the Ottoman Empire, would go on to be some of the most brutal butchers of the Armenian people under the Ottoman flag. Strange isn't it?

​@@arthursirkejyan9607not necessarily. Look at what Israel is doing in gaza. Victims become perpetrators all the time. They are all too human

​@@avishalom2000lmisrael literally gives civilians a warning before attacking lmao. Imagine the Hamaa or Nazis doing that for the jews. Fucking double standards.

Yep, because Stalin knew that he would face prosecution under international law if social and political groups were included in the definition

​@@CynicalHistorian That's wild.

@@CynicalHistorian Unfortunately, leaders of global superpowers are unlikely to get prosecuted whatever the international law says. After all, both Holdomor and Sürgünlik meet even this narrower definition of genocide...

I believe in Cologne, Germany this winter they were going to close a small Armenian Memorial because it offended many of the Islamist locals. This is after the 2016 New Years Eve in that city where over 650 woman were sexually assaulted by Islamic "migrants".

Duty to inform is a primary responsibility of the state department, and not just for our own citizens. That's why you'll often hear that the CIA warned some country before an attack but went unheeded

One correction: The Holodomor is not considered a genocide due to the lack of evidence of the intent for the USSR to exterminate Ukrainians.

@@Razzanonymous Understandable why you think that. Lempkin actually believes it was a genocide although I’d classify it as cultural more than physical. First of all most of the deaths were specifically targeted against the rural peasantry, who in any eastern culture are generally the custodians of a peoples folklore and customers. Added to this was the fact that Stalin destroyed the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and made it a diocese of the Muscovite patriarchate. It was basically forced assimilation with mass murder as just a means to achieve it in my opinion

​@@Razzanonymous IMO, Stalin was racist. He internally exiled and expelled peoples _who were not ethnic Russians._ (for instance, Jewish people.) He distrusted them. As paranoid as he was, anyone he distrusted, were to be eliminated. Again, my strongly held opinion.

Hitler allegedly said when asked why he thinks they could get away with the Holocaust before his invasion of Poland reportedly responded with this quote “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

@@grmpEqweer Thank you. Stalin really at the end of the day was a Russian ultranationalist. And what’s ironic is that the man was an ethnic Georgian.

Half the time, KZfaq puts an incorrect context to the video too, LOL

Olmayan şeyin inkarı olmaz hoş görünmek için birilerinin kıçını yalamayı bırak

My family feels sort of the same, my dad’s family was forced out by the Turkish government in the 50s from Istanbul, my grandmother always talks about growing up in Turkey as great but never really mentions leaving.

@@davidrichards8793 that’s unfortunate. My dad has a similar situation as he needs to pay a fee and reacquire citizenship in order to enter the country…? I’m not sure how it all works

Look , I am Greek, my great-grandmother came from Ayvalik with her sisters after their father and uncle were taken to forced labour camps , but not wanting ti go to Turkey because of that is stupid . Its a beautiful country and the people are nice

You should still go.

Seems like they deliberately choose that name. Im sure they knew the history

@@MrPigeonaids Ironically Cenk is Turkish and Ana is Armenian

@@MrPigeonaidsI think it was originally. But considering Ana is Armenian, I believe Cenk changed his denialism.

@@i_noah_guy18 Cenk hasn't denied the Armenian Genocide in over 20 years. They've explained repeatedly why they chose "The Young Turks" as a name. By the way, the co-founders of TYT were Jewish.

@@i_noah_guy18 He did come out with a statement addressing this a while back but I'm still kinda iffy about his history with denialism.

Too late

And thank you very much too

This is a great question and I’d like to answer it as my people have faced this firsthand. The threats that many Christians faced from the Turkish government didn’t end with the proclamation of a republic, they simply continued albeit much more quietly. I’ll give you the event my family went through as an example, for some background my dad’s side are Greek Christians from Northern Epirus (Which is on the border of Greece and Albania) who fled their home to Istanbul with the outbreak of world war 2. My Great Grandfather’s family had already been running a butchery in the city for a while (according to my Grandmother Greeks couldn’t own such shops). My Grandmother was actually born in the city in 1943 and lived there until she was 12 (1955). The reason they left was because of a pogrom carried out by the Turkish government and turkey’s “special security forces”. The justification for the pogrom was to remove the Greek population from Istanbul (which was allowed to stay in the city even after the population exchange) because of the ongoing crisis that was taking place in Cyprus which saw a majority of Greek Cypriots violently demanding union with Greece after the British began to decolonize. The Turkish minority faced extensive persecution and even some massacres as well. The Turkish government decided to set off a bomb at the Turkish consulate in Thessaloniki (where Atatürk was born), and trucked in rioters to destroy any non Turkish property (Greeks as well as Armenians and Jews were attacked). The mob would kill anywhere from at least a dozen to 30 people and injure many more. The ruling government at the time, the “Democrat” party was ultimately ousted in a coup staged by military officers 5 years after the event yet there’s been barely and recognition from the Turkish state officially aside from the few “there’s been wrongdoings”. In fact, many in the military were sympathetic to the party’s action with a lot of denial and nationalism still being present to this day.

The founding father of the modern Turkish Republic was part of the same political party (The Young Turks) that orchestrated the genocide. He also supported and finished it from 1918 to 1924. Ataturk banned all claims of Armenians to their private properties that became nationalized under his command for Turkey's new treasury fund to rebuild the country. Ataturk pardoned the same perpetrators you mention that were condemned in abstentia by the Court Martials of 1919. Many returned from captivity under the British in Malta and were given key government positions within Ataturk's administration. The main architect of the Armenian Genocide, Talaat Pasha's cadaver was transported from Nazi Germany to Istanbul under official State ceremony by Ataturk. Moreover, Ataturk installed the official policy of denial, the last stage of genocide. The Republic of Turkey is equally responsible than the Ottoman Empire for the genocide.

I've voiced stuff for him before

@@himpim642 There’s a lot of Japanophiles who deny it and it’s barely talked about in general considering their crimes were just as bad or worse than Nazi Germany’s. A lot of people in the international community know nothing about it.

​@@Eatpork681I would not say it is denied. I have never Seen a non Japanese try to denie it apart from some 14 year old weebs. I agree it needs to be tought more in Japan but in the West most people with history knowledg know abouth it

...And his gin o side in the Congo?

@@grmpEqweer yes