The Athanasian Revolution: Nicene Theology and the Communal Ontology

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10 ай бұрын

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@CopeandSeethe325
@CopeandSeethe325 10 ай бұрын
My Patron Saint! *On the Incarnation* was the very first Orthodox book I read during my conversion journey
@dissatisfiedphilosophy
@dissatisfiedphilosophy 10 ай бұрын
Wonderful post! I incorproated it into my recent essay on Universalism
@3VLN
@3VLN 10 ай бұрын
Awesome work as usual brother, thank you for all you do!
@jollybucket669
@jollybucket669 8 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this thank you. I can't say I completely understood it, but I think I want to.
@richruggiero750
@richruggiero750 9 ай бұрын
This is excellent!
@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw
@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw 10 ай бұрын
'The City of Victory' - NICAEA (Nico-polis).
@O.G.Rose.Michelle.and.Daniel
@O.G.Rose.Michelle.and.Daniel 10 ай бұрын
This was a great reading! I enjoyed your essay and found it a fascinating dive into Church History which helped illuminate the state of theology today. The essay helped highlight why theological debates over single words, which sometimes might seem unnecessary and nitpicky, can be deeply consequential.
@mills8102
@mills8102 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. I am wrestling with arius right now.
@BJohnDoyle
@BJohnDoyle 9 ай бұрын
Do we have any texts of Arius or others that support Athanasius' claim that arians were in fact insulted by transcendent truths? Is it not possible that they merely had trouble wrapping their heads around them as so many still do, and that there is room for grace with them? This video itself seems like a wonderful instance of that grace, and for my part, a blessed improvement on the accusation of heresy, and/or a designation of anathma.
@lejspul7655
@lejspul7655 10 ай бұрын
"It is only when the subject humbles itself in faith that the infinity of what lies beyond itself can be reveled" right here is where people will harden their heart, the blank NPC stare will gloss over their eyes, and every possible excuse and justification will pour fourth to deny this reality. This is the most problematic statement that cannot be reconciled with the pride possessed and self centered mases of our time. Its the only statement where the proof that it is true is the very fact that people try to refute it.
@in2orthodoxy
@in2orthodoxy 7 ай бұрын
If I get this correctly, Staniloae unfolds communal ontology because of Florensky?
@dubbelkastrull
@dubbelkastrull 9 ай бұрын
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@OceanusHelios
@OceanusHelios 10 ай бұрын
To turn away from this modern world, and this time in which you were born, is to turn away from the time that you have in this world and what is around you. It is possible to live in the past but only in one's own imagination and to negate solvable problems by turning to the divine. I say it is far better to resolve problems around you by analysis of those problems without a panacea cure for everything. Attention to details in this world and retaining reason and rationality are key to greater happiness and a reduction and suffering for us all.
@evan7391
@evan7391 10 ай бұрын
The "solutions" have only led to more problems, requiring more infrastructure to "solve". Your arrogance and denial of against the logical principle of reality Himself is what spawned so many of these problems that we face. Besides, humanity will just try to create their own divinity anyways, except it will need to enslave and reform humanity to obey laws made by man's arrogance. "Reason" and "rationality" have not shown a reduction of suffering and happiness great enough to fight off the problems we face (not to say they are bad or incompatible, in fact they are only workable when rooted in God Himself). We can indeed only progress, but God is the constant of progress. Without Truth Himself, we fall into the trappings of men.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 10 ай бұрын
It is not understood why the trinity doctrine must be insisted upon since it is immediately EVIDENT to any unbiased reader of the gospels that it's a bogus theory, fully invented. That CONVENTIONAL doctrine was created with arrogance because directly contrary to Jesus' words. You just need to read the gospels TO LEARN from Jesus' own words that 1. He is NOT almighty 2. He is with the FATHER ONLY. If Jesus were PART OF A TRIUNE GOD - as claimed by the doctrine - this would surely be CONFIRMED by Him! He would accordingly state to be both with 1. FATHER and 2. HOLY SPIRIT. But Jesus tells a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. He has NO IDEA what a "triune God" is supposed to be and crystal clear reiterates in 4 gospels to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER! Jesus further states that He is the ONLY KING of heaven, i.e. contrary to the doctrine there are NOT THREE KINGS (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in heaven. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are thus NOT CO-EQUAL. The trinity inventors were not able to figure out that the "Spirit of God" (Holy Spirit) simply IS THE SAME AS "God is a spirit" (Jn. 4:24). According to the doctrine they are TWO distinct spirits instead (allegebly they form a triune God with Jesus!). The truth is that the "Spirit of God" - who comes from God - is the SAME GOD, but in the form of a Spirit "God is a spirit". Thus, no third person exists.
@fnotesemay3803
@fnotesemay3803 8 ай бұрын
The father is the eternal source of the son and the holy sprit.the former by generation and the later through procession.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 8 ай бұрын
@@fnotesemay3803 The Holy Spirit comes from the Father, however, He is the SAME FATHER. In other words the "Spirit of God" (aka Holy Spirit ) is God who is a spirit (Jn.4:24). Hence, no third person exists.
@fnotesemay3803
@fnotesemay3803 8 ай бұрын
The Holy Spirit is not the same as the Father rather He does the will of God the Father.The holy spirit interceeds for the believers.if he is the same as the father why would he interceed to himself.your argument doesnot make sense
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 8 ай бұрын
@@fnotesemay3803 That person simply does not exist: "...You will leave me ALONE. Yet, I am NOT ALONE because THE FATHER is with me.". I.e. just Father and Son; no such a third person is there. The Holy Spirit with Jesus is simply the Holy Father; - For example "those who will BELIEVE in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..." (believers, Father and Son, no such a person is there) - " On that day you will know that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you." (Apostles, Father and Son, no third person. This means that the Spirit of truth must refer to the Father and to the Son, nobody else is there.) - that alleged third person is simply only in your fantasy: never to be found with Father and Son. - the Spirit that comes from God (who is not a spirit) is the SAME God (who is a spirit). - who said that the Holy Spirit "interceeds" ? Paul?
@fnotesemay3803
@fnotesemay3803 8 ай бұрын
If you believe the Father and Son are two distinct persons, then in Mt 28:19 the Spirit has to be distinct from at least one of them. It makes no sense to say "Father, Son, and Father again. It makes no sense to say the Father, Son, and Son, and the Spirit did not shed His blood or die on the cross. So the Spirit is the third.
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