This!!!!!!

I think the better dynamic would be that the Riddler actually DOES know who Batman is but uses the info as part of his mind games, I forgot whether it was the Riddler or Batman who said, "What's the fun in a riddle, if everyone knows the solution?" and I think at some point the Riddler also said something like, "I don't care who is under the mask, Batman is the true persona." referencing the Oscar Wilde quote, "Man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he'll tell you the truth."

I think it’s the riddler for the first one but it’s joker for the second one

Great idea

Yessss. The sequel will be amazing like phenomenal. I can’t for Bruce’s character development to progress

Yeah, I actually laughed so hard in the cinema when I saw it. Joker-like laughter 🤣

@@kapitanuran I would kms if I was in the same theater as u

Yup!

Lmfao yEs!

It was just a glimps but it was a a good one.

And he looked do repulsed and so disappointed that his personas as both Batman AND Bruce Wayne were misunderstood- and that was kinda his OWN fault cos dude needs therapy lol, all the orphans did...the Riddler being the Anti-Bruce Wayne/orphan was awesome, and of COURSE all the badguys would adopt him as their own cos he was still in his angsty angry emo phase- best Batman characterisation ever!! And it's nice Riddler found a real friend at the end lol

His whole: "You're a good cop" just hurt me deep, him just thinking he will never be able to face Gordon after all this and immediately having to accept that he's done. Best underrated part in my opinion.

You commented this exact thing on another review video, are you some bot

Wait, Riddler doesn't know he's Batman? I didn't get that at all, also it turned irrelevant because he wanted to flood the city for whatever reason...also he killed Falcone for whatever reason...and Penguin so stupid he pulled a gun on Falcone in public....and catwoman lol ....to be honest, without Pattinson and his acting this movie isn't even 4/10.

@@brontosa5351 you’ve made no real points, just spewed nonsense and said the films 4/10 simmer down lad😂

Funny enough when he's checking out the first crime scene it was the first time ever seeing a live action Batman that I totally believed was just some dude crazy enough to dress up like that and go beat the shit out of people. Plus the stuff with Martha's past just helps add that extra layer that he's not all there.

@@trav9210 you spoke my mind!

Yeah, I don't even get how that's a criticism, we got something different here and it was very well done. Pattinson is definitely a Batman that's not as refined mentally or even as well-trained as Christian Bale's who was trained by the most elite and deadly people on the planet. Pattinson was a strong fighter, but definitely took a lot of blows when fighting even just a handful of mobsters. When Bale became Batman, he was pretty much complete as a character, or at least in his goals and vision of how he wanted to make a difference in Gotham. Pattinson was not, he was a slab of anger and resentment who wanted to instill fear while inspiring the people of Gotham was a complete afterthought.

@@brazmann9571 I didn't have a problem with his Batman. I had a problem with his Bruce Wayne, and it's because his Bruce Wayne WAS his Batman. As Bats, he mopes around with his head down. As Bruce he...mopes around with his head down. See a problem? Batman doesn't wear the mask. BRUCE wears the mask, because Batman is who he really is. If there's no distinction at all between the two, then it really makes no sense why ppl wouldn't figure him out really quickly. I wasn't a fan of the Nolan Batman, but LOVED the Bruce Wayne in them for that very reason.

@@KoolKeithProductions fair enough but i feel like the sigma chad wayne persona has aleady been explored. this portrayal gives room for us to see HOW he can develop the bruce wayne mask. and ur right it does show in this movie that bruce basically is batman but that just means that when he does create the rich boy persona we as the audience will be even more aware that his real identity is being batman and bruce is the mask.

@mysticstrider Just think of him as proto Riddler He hasn't embraced the weird quite yet

@mysticstrider The comic book riddler looks like a theatrical drag queen straight out of Ru Paul’s drag race. I’ll stick with the zodiac killer look any day but that’s just me

Riddler wasn't a threat at all. Gotham is just full of idiots

@@StephenAlanChandler amen. Serial killer riddler is amazing

@@StephenAlanChandler This Riddler is terrifying. That old school one was goofy.

Yeah, it also uses year zero as well especially with the flooding at the end.

Not sure how Joe missed this.

@@carmichaelsnider78 I noticed that too!

ohhhh i was trying to find what comic it was based off. at first i thought it was hush with the gimp mask but then riddler told everyone his bad guy name so it didnt make sense.

@Male Sensitivity nah

When Selena first goes to the underground club and they showed the people at the table doing the drugs things it reminded me of the court of owls for some reason and was like oh shit are they adding that into this movie too?? Would definitely be nice to see in this style move

@@josephserenson166 fr too bad they going to joker like they always do

@@mrcsr8582 why wouldn't they ? Joker is Batmans best villain.

They would fit in this Gotham but I really really don't want to see something like that... I don't think it really worked either in the comics or even in that Gotham show. Huge conspiracies like that spanning decades, centuries are the problem... they don't feel that realistic.

@@henrychinaski5938 done too many times recently and , arguably, there are 4 good jokers in the last 35 years. Let him rest for a bit. His other villains can bring such interesting stuff to the table

Yea this was a breath of fresh air i love marvel stuff but its the same jokes over and over

Fuck I hate having jokes every 2 minutes

Please no. We already have a Gotham TV show.

Same here

Dude honestly just makes like 10 more of these movies with different villains. I think it’ll be better than trying to tie in a justice league.

“Fresh” is one way of putting it, “an idiot” is another. I personally despised how frequently they made Batman look incompetent.

@@Lang7 They just as frequently showed him as highly competent and quick thinking. Almost EVERY single time the Riddler threw out a direct riddle to anyone in the movie with batman around he could solve it almost before it was finished. He took in bits of his surroundings and used it to his advantage in his fights, he plans ahead and disorients and scares criminals to gain an edge. We see him puzzle out things nobody else in the film is able to like that cipher having everything already, etc etc. The thing is, in this movie batman isn't an omniscient god like some fans expect him to be, so he still makes mistakes. He's new, he doesn't have his complete training. For someone who isn't fluent in a language, making a quick mistake and not noticing it immediately isn't "incompetence", its to be expected.

@@Lang7 he literally doesn’t speak Spanish at all and the whole movie displayed his intelligence I don’t think you watched the same film

Fanny thing is that Pattison in this movie is older then Bale when he first play Batman.

@@MessyGamer616 I think people, and understandably so, have gotten too used to Batman being more superhuman than most superhumans to remember that there was indeed a brief period of time in the Batman's personal history where he fucked up every now and again - mainly because he was still new to being a vigilante. He was still "fresh". I appreciate the fact he makes mistakes in this (as humans are wont to do), because it means we get to see this Batman develop over the course of his movies into becoming the legend that we recognize as *The Batman*.

Yea this is LITERALLY the first time I've heard people not like Catwoman in the movie. I thought Zoe and her story was great

@@timlyons3420 well we’re talking about a guy who saw man of steel a dozen times

@@timlyons3420 I wasn't a fan of Catwoman either, especially the romance they tried to force in

@@timlyons3420 yea ajs is sick, but sometimes they say retarded shit which makes no sense, or they make statements which r factually wrong with supreme confidence

@@jal576 Man of Steel is an incredible film imo... Why are you acting widely known to be bad? Majority of people like it. Are you one of those people who think Superman should perfect, and nothing bad in the world ever happens lol? I'd love to know why you think it's a horrible film that should never be watched... If we want to use peoples opinions like you did... Chris Nolan (writer/diretor of TDK trilogy, Inception, Interstellar, The Prestige, etc) disagrees with you, he helped write, and produce, and said he loved it. I guess you know film better than him... Max Landis hated it, I guess his writing, and opinion is akin to your liking lol.. -Cavills amazing, Shannons amazing, the intro is amazing, the incredible score from Zimmer, the heart the film has, the visuals, etc.. on those bits alone it's a good movie. I have nit picks myself, and I don't always agree with Joe.. but it's up there as one of the best comic book films in my opinion... I'd hate to assume, but fanboys who think it's horrible think so for 2 main reasons... 1. People dying with Metropolis getting leveled badly 2. Superman killing Zod. If you think an experienced, veteran, Kryptonian war general, and his Kryptonian soldiers wouldn't mess up Metropolis, and kill some people against an unexperienced, young, lone Kryptonian kid... than that's insane, and illogical imo.. if you think Superman if put in a situation choosing a family dying, or killing Zod wouldn't choose to kill Zod than that's insane, and illogical imo... I love that stuff, I love how Snyder was willing to make a realistic version of Superman, and put him in situations no one was willing to do. Pretentious Superman fans just want Superman saving a kitten from a tree, smiling, and being perfect. Which is boring. Now I want to pop on MoS on 4k UHD, and blast the surround sound lol. Thanks! Sorry for the long comment, just had coffee, woke up early, bored waiting for wifey to wake up... Understandable if you didn't read it all lol. Also I just really love debating film lol..

And making rookie mistakes when veteran batman won't do. It's great to see the reality of a young batman

I do agree seeing Batman at crime scenes doing some Sherlock Holmes stuff is awesome but he still did use his computer to spit out answers for him. (Scanned the cipher for the riddles with his eyes and used computer to produce the answer.) But as I said, I do agree with you.

I loved how they established his meticulous nature. Recording his interactions via the lenses and then playing them back. Keeping a verbatim journal.

Lol in TDK he's in the bank for about 30 seconds then dosappears lol then knows what going on and plans a China heist all on his own lol I love TDK but I really love detective batman actually trying hard to figure things out

Yeah his bat computer was op

You don’t need 2 years of experience to know that running into a half a dozen henchmen with SMGs is a bad idea. This film made Batman look incompetent, in more ways than one, far too frequently.

@@Lang7 Keep hating. Maybe one day you'll figure out that having batman being omniscient in his early career isn't sensible. He's brash and confident, but ultimately he ends up succeeding through his willpower, grit, and tech.

I feel when they introduce Fox, probably in the second movie, he’ll get better gear then in the third get a Tumbler-like bat mobile with Tank like features if they possibly just free all the Arkham Inmates

@@MessyGamer616 he s not hating; he’s just pointing out how dumb Batman and the bad guys are for these dumb shooting scenes, and sheep like you for defending them. Just because we like a movie/character doesnt mean we shouldnt call out the BS. The movie s ‘good’ but vastly overrated SMH with all these fanboys

And he wasn’t just eating those hits either. You hear him grunt and yell in agony at some parts. So awesome

Made sense since that’s how he knew what everyone was up to

Maybe that's why he's got tons of notes

Best place to hide is in plain sight

definitely agree. Him living across from the club was wild. But good!

That was the worst part, all the pictures riddler took was from his apartment, let's figure out a Cypher but not look at the building the pictures were taken. To many plot conveniences, made Batman and Gordon look dumb as detectives, and Bruce automatically jumping down Alfred's neck when he wakes up on the hospital because what Falcone says was ridiculous. If there was ever a movie Alex would say treats the audience stupid, it should have been this one. They have to fully explain everything, an hour of this movie was just monologs and slow cameras. If I was Finch I would be pissed that the detective story in this movie is compared to Seven.

@@brandonchutt312 You, as you are writting comments :)

And in the Arkham universe

@@brandonchutt312 “who cares 🤓”

There's various origin stories for most characters

Uvalde kids wished Batman did that

@@christiandauz3742 I’m sorry your parents never loved you.

@@SuperFlawless2010Batman and superhero’s have done that since the beginning… it’s suspension of disbelief dude.

@@SuperFlawless2010 good one kid. That’s more intelligent than your laughable criticism tho💀

@@SuperFlawless2010 uh huh

Idk if they can get the right writers and directors then it can be good.

If you need to read the book to understand the game/movie, then you failed to create an actual plot. Lore isn't plot.

I think Court of Owls would be a good trilogy ender. Scarecrow would be a good second movie villain tho

Smart man, I don't believe we've ever seen Court of Owls in the live action films and they'd be a great fit for this atmosphere. Not to mention it'd pair together nicely with the new Arkham Knights game that will have the Court of Owls, too.

It really seems like No Man’s Land is where the story is headed for now. I wonder how they’ll tie Court of Owls in

Make it rated R

@@jktwice8235 No Man's Land is my favorite Batman story/arc of all time, I was hoping so hard that the flooding was a precursor to introducing it.

That shot of him kneeling with the coast guard getting the girl on the medical bed will stay with me forever 😭😭😭

Seeing him slowly realise as the film goes along that this was all his fault because he was being violent and vengeful, giving the people who were stepped on the wrong message was actually very interesting. Especially when he sees that his “I’m vengeance” rhetoric turned that one guy into an attempted murderer

I agree I think I forgot that it’s year 2 Batman multiple times. This film needs to be first if it plans be have a sequel or be part of a trilogy. I really liked this film but I didn’t love it as I thought I would. Towards the end you get that symbolic symbol of hope that Batman is known for. Knowing that in the beginning, this is not the Batman most people are used to. I’m all for them taking their time in developing a Batman from the ground up to the hero he’s seen as later on.

@@mrcritical6751 I see what you’re saying and I think it’s a good analysis, but I’m just not feeling the…**resonance** of that character progression. I liked where we ended up (symbol of hope) but I was a little confused as to how we got there.

@@ethan-scott it was a slow burn of Bruce seeing how others saw him and others took his message and realising the flaws in it. In the beginning he’s content with civilians being afraid of him as long as the criminals are near beaten to death and justice is served. But then he sees the negative effects of it all how his focus on vengeance almost gets Selena killed and made her try to murder two men, how it make Riddler think the only way to make change was through blood and how that allowed Riddler to install that ideology into others like him. He realised he’s part of the problem and that is made extra clear to him when he sees the guy from the funeral at the end say “I’m vengeance” then sees the innocent people suffering. He sees that he caused it all and created this ideology that vengeance and violence is the only way to make change and turned innocent people into monsters

the average movie goer or casual comic fan hasn't read 80 years worth of comics. they merely come to be entertained and this movie was boring.

Personally i didnt like Long Halloween but even i knew what that was when i was younger and i hear some teachers nowaday have people read it.

Exactly, but it's typical of these hombres to miss plot points actually being connected

That's what I thought too

I hope they see this

And wasn't the intent more so to get Bruce's attention? He had a clue attached to the bomb, he must have known he can only read it if he's like you know... not in a million pieces.

We saw the riddler sneak in and out of buildings, he even ran away from Batman.....and could not enter a house protected by 2 elderly Alfred and and granny ...reallyy.

Yeah, Its really all part of batman being new. He knew about the club, but he didnt know about the club within the club.

Agreed, I'm pretty sure Reeves had said that this was based on The Long Halloween, so it's consistent that Selina is Falcone's daughter.

Thank you someone with common sense

Thank you! The boys are feeling threatened that this version of Batman might be even better than than Nolan's.

@@joyis9638 EXAAAAAACTLY!!!

Marvel >>> DC

Yeah, that always seemed out of place to me...What are these squeaky clean paragons of right doing in a city like Gotham? It has to be a front...Even if the Wayne's were paragons...if every entity you are dealing with in the city you live in are corrupt...that corruption will inevitably infect you if you actually try to change things through traditional business/political means...maybe I should go back and play the telltale games...

@@42Mrgreenman they are great, one of the better Batman stories out there. The whole new approach of joker in season two was also fun.

Joker did the same with Thomas. I like it, but I like it because is not the norm. I hope they dont turn this into the norm.

It makes you realize there is no such thing as pure good or pure evil. Nothing is truly black or white, just different shades of grey. Even Batman himself is a little muddy because he is still essentially breaking the law to serve justice as a vigilante

@@kaynine9 I'm guessing you're forgetting that irredeemable sociopaths and psychopaths exist or that people like MLK are true paragons.

Good scene everything else sucked tho

I like how after he got in the Batmobile and patiently waiting for the Gangster to get into the car so he could chase them. Very nice of him

@@braindeadgaming273 pretty much

@@CoolSmoovie lol ikr? Like he wanted to test the engine or something

@@alexsilva28 lmao, I watched it twice and he wasn’t waiting. The engine actually stalls before he gets going.

Wait. He is the guy he almost punches to death? I didn't notice since his face was all messed up after the beating?

@@kanon951 yup! That’s him!

I think hè said that just because you know Bruce Wayne is famous

Imagine the mad hatter that would be extremely cool

banes Venom was adrenaline until it was enhanced tho.

Yeah, plus adrenaline is not green... you know what is green? I will give you a hint... it is the substance a villaim that starts with B and ends with ane uses. Riddle me that.

That's fine but I felt the actor was weak and there was no chemistry. She was plot furniture.

U shouldnt have to read a shitty book

@@BowmansWorld hilarious dude

Which makes me hate how he treated Alfred even more. God that was the only stupid parts of the movie is how disrespectful he is to Alfred. Absolutely hated it that and hated how Alfred just rolls his eyes with acceptance about it

@@BowmansWorld Wouldn't call it shitty. I'm also not a fan of having content explained outside the movie itself, but you really won't miss much if you pass on it.

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 Man I love Alfred but Matt Reeves did describe this Batman to be young and vengeful so I thought it at least made sense that Bruce would take him for granted. I do think the scene where Alfred told the truth about Thomas Wayne was really touching and well-done.

I just wished they set up the third act properly.

The third act kinda did fall apart

Except, there was no taking over the world, it was more about taking down the corrupt who already rule the world.

I kind of wish they hid the city blowing up, being flooded, and the assignation attempt from the trailers.. they have to show the big action moments to get people to go see it who just want BIG THRILLS!!!! which ruins the experience... Going into this not knowing what to expect, and seeing the ending would have been incredible.. but I know it's going to end up at that point, and it spoils the initial first experience, which is the most important viewing... the first time.

@@randomrecipes5007 I didn't look at anything after the 2021 trailer. You're right it was an incredible twist when I thought the movie was wrapped up and then Boom

I think they’re world building plus i think with this joker hes gonna be more manipulative and use others to get his way much like the joker from arkham city

I agree. It took away from Riddlers story and imo, I honestly don't like the interpretation they're teasing

Joker? I thought that was two faces

Could be cool (never happening) if this joker is a copy cat of the Phoenix joker

without the joker Batman is just a boring overrated character.

Yup it’s always nice to see how much he opens up when Batman is involved.

Reeves has said he wants to bring in Freeze, and Pattinson has apparently voiced some hope for Court of Owls. If I had to guess, we'll get Freeze in 2, and the Court in 3 (which could *possibly* allow for them to reasonably utilize Joker & Hush at the same time...maybe)

So does the movie

What detective stuff does he really do though? Other than instantly know the answer to some riddles?

well the movie kinda forgets about it too after the first act.. he investigates some stuff (along with alfred) and then the movie takes off and he just answers riddles really fast and basically eats the riddler bait every time

He doesn’t do much detective in the movie to be honest almost just answering riddles he kinda miss the clues multiple times

@@Darduel he chasing suspects he goes back to the crime scene to investigate

It's common knowledge I guess joe didn't read the long holloween and dark Victory.

AJ claims to be a fan of everything, its super fucking cringe and he's pretty fucking stupid to do so. Pretty sure he is just a "fan" of superman to be a contrarian.

I have all three Loeb/Sale stories. It's like Jeph was purposely creating The Godfather trilogy quality wise with the Catwoman story being the least popular.

Catwoman being his daughter makes her clawing his face up to frame Batman in ‘Year One’ even more interesting. It really was an awesome way for Long Halloween to add on to that Frank Miller story and make it somewhat canon. Even in this movie, Falcone had the scar on his cheek even before Selena clawed him in this movie, making you wonder if Year One will be canon more or less eventually within these movies

@@WelcometoTheDollars He doesn't even need to read it, there's an animated special for the Long Halloween. Well, we already know AJ doesn't like anything over 2 hours in one sitting so I guess that explains that

That would be amazing

That would be iceting, shaking with antICEpation just thinking about that. Now I'm all dis-Frost (distraught? Too much?)

“Time to kick some ICE!”

@@Eisenwulf666 Dude, chill...

At the end when Selina and Bruce leave on their bikes, the streets were clear

Chris Nolan using the League of Shadows, and Ras Al Ghul, and showing the training makes Bales Batman more believable as a badass, ninja, who can mess people up, even if his action isn't half as good, the exposition is 10 times better than just telling us he trained around the world in some prequel comic no ones gonna read.. Also shows his determination to be something more than a man. Not showing, or saying anything in the movie, letting the audience ASSUME he trained somewhere is stupid imo... Batman Begins changed the game with showing us, and Affleck, and Pattinson are doing the same old, "He's ALREADY BATMAN! We don't have to show you! It's year 2!!!!" Dumb. Showing a flashback clip of him training in multiple places, by different masters, and learning from Alfred at a young age...while reminiscing, talking to Alfred in the cave about how they started this journey of vengeance, and justice would be so much better, than saying/showing nothing. Thought Jeffery Wright was cringe, and doesn't hold a flame to Gary Oldman, thought Serkis was the worst Alfred, and I hate Pattinsons EMO bully maguire Bruce Wayne, thank god he was barely Bruce in it.. Catwoman was meh as well... in my opinion of course.

@@randomrecipes5007 All your points are valid. If you don't like the movie/parts if it it's completely understandable. I too had problems with the movie. I'd rate it a 7/10 using the AJ scale. If I weren't a Batman fan, 6.

@@randomrecipes5007 finally someone speaking objective truth amidst all the fanboyism. I enjoyed the movie but it has some serious flaws, starting with the opening sequence: Bruce’s voiceover and the Bat signal establish that now criminals fear the Batman, yet when he appears the first thing the thug says is “what are you supposed to be?”, and i dont remember any scene where criminals actually fear him. LMAO the twin bouncers want to kick his ass when they see him. We dont get any glimpse of how the public perceives him beyond some newspaper headlines. FFS the newscaster calls him “the masked man” after the finale as if the GCPD hasnt been been publicly working with him to solve crimes ie their use of the giant bat signal and the Riddler calling him the Batman every chance he gets. That s some major inconsistencies there

@@randomrecipes5007 Topping the Nolan version with Liam Neeson is asking too much, probably

@@randomrecipes5007 dont care this one fights better lol

Batman saying I need to be hope and not vengeance is comic accurate? I like that we get a detective batman but he also never outsmarts the Riddler and he doesn't mange to save the city from being flooded....

@@Roni24mamba yes. batman fails plenty of times in the comics and gets outsmarted but eventually in the end he overcomes it.

@@petah3930 No. Riddler gives himself up, batman did not beat him, he did not stop the city from getting flooded, he only beats a bunch of goons to save the new mayor I did not care for

@@Roni24mamba well you suck then. It was fantastic. Felt like Batman. The tones and the moods, Batman. The flood didn’t matter, the Riddler’s plan failed in the end and Batman also was a rookie. You missed the point and that’s on you

Sometimes I play with my willy and the white stuff comes out

It did though, but I don’t have a problem with longer movies. I feel it did drag a bit towards the end

@Austin Madore I actually didn't feel the length even towards the end.

The movie lacks in balance between dialogue, exposition and action, you need to give the audience a break. The movie definitely felt long because of that.

@@AzraelSoulHunter not even the tip?

Makes sense, but I feel like if the Riddler can casually invade a Mayor's home he would attempt to capture Bruce somehow

In the new 52 that's no longer canon?

exactly I was wondering do they even read the comics lmao... I'm nowhere near a DC fan but this was the second best DC movie besides the Joker.

@@festo8756 Okay? So movies have to follow what's Canon at its current inception in order to be accurate? It can't follow past comic storylines that are still considered some of the best in the franchise?

@@timlyons3420 nothing from the nu52 was ever considered great.

@@festo8756 it's not from the new 52 bro. wtf are you talking about?? She was his daughter in The Long Halloween. written in the 90s. That's not New 52. Maybe you don't know comic accuracy as well

Yeah, that's where my mind went to when I saw the kid. I was like "that's Robin".

That’s actually a great catch it makes so much sense for them to do that

My thoughts exactly

Not likely given based on the leals they will be doing the Death in the Family plot line. And I will have no one but my beloved Jason in that story.

@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 I dont think you will have Jason, i think we will have mayor's son do Robin, even with DotF leaks, wether we like it or not. But i myself am open for that option, it might end up awesome.

What's it called?

Joe doesn't know much about Batman

@@vilhelmstein2091 alot of this movie hints at alot of stuff from New 52, rebirth and the more popular graphic novels. Hush being the bug one. There is president for batman using a diluted version of venom once. Riddler flooding gotham in his Second year also has an arc were villains like bane, two face, penguin, etc claim sections of gotham as territories before choosing riddler or jokers side. All the chaos and war leads to batman figuring out the court wanted it and devised it to burn gotham.

Yeah I wasn't feeling it either; Joker's laugh almost has a child-like quality to it which i suppose was unnerving but very unusual. Perhaps once we get the full Joker reveal, looks and everything, it will fall into place better. But yeah i didn't experience the excitement I thought I would

Dan Dewizzle yeah he did sound quite young. I was watching a video where Matt Reeves was talking about this Joker, and he seems to understand the character and has a clear direction (which I like) where he wants to go. I just hope the actor can pull it off.

@@Rajonty apparently Barry Keoghan is has been in some great stuff, so i might watch more of his work to see for myself. But thats great Matt has a plan for him. And i enjoyed the hell out of this movie so i have faith he can do it!

Dan Dewizzle he said wants to showcase Joker’s brilliance and manipulative nature. Yeah the movie was awesome! After seeing his Caesar in PotA I wanted him to do Batman, and he pulled off a young Batman really well. That opening monologue was soo good. I really hope we get to see this Batman mature, and the second movie doesn’t just pick up right after the first, because the direction they’re going with him is so cool.

Completely agree- couldn’t put it into words but comparing it to CW is pretty spot on-which is pretty unfortunate. Joker is so oversaturated, I was hoping to see a trilogy without him. And besides, the Dark Knight is a perfect Batman/Joker film.

Riddler was cringe version of joker.

@@espi371 COMPLETELY different characters but okay. Lol

@@JoshPlaysGamez1996 I know I guess the writers missed the memo.

@@espi371 Absolutely not. Riddler was easily the best part of the movie.

@@JoshPlaysGamez1996 cringiest part of the movie I agree. Imagine having making Riddler into a 4chan user.

They should leave him out we have already had him in a lot of movies and TV shows let's give one of the other of batmans villains a chance.

@@shadowslayer9988 I kind of agree but at the same time I love Barry Keoghan dudes talented I’d be interested to see his take on it , I heard somewhere though that Matt Reeves wants to try and bring in Mr. Freeze if he can get him right.

@@shadowslayer9988 agreed. I'd love to see a proper Mr Freeze (no offense to Arnold) although this new grounded universe might make that challenging.

*novel

What’s it called?

you do know that was two face right?

@@TreyJCooper nope, Reeves confirmed it was Joker

this comment about it was steamy.... is why movies are doomed

@@dannymcateer2377 movies are doomed but we just got an amazing Batman film from the cast acting their asses off, the story being great, cinematography amazing, and music outstanding. But we are doomed right.

Out of all the theories I'm reading Hush into Court of Owls sounds the coolest. Would certainly make this Batman unique

@@evilgraycat like they recruit hush to be Bruce? I could see it happening.

NO CAPES!

Same. It’s stuck with me now whenever I see capes.

The last 2 punches were improvised by robert pattinson

Need the 4hr directors cut 👀

“Real Batman fans” 🙄 I loved the movie but there are so many different iterations of Batman you could be the kind who likes the Batman that is so advanced he fights against gods and messes with green lantern rings or you can like this young and gritty kind. Just because you get more entertainment out of this version than the later version doesn’t make you REAL. Batman was never emo in public in the comics like he was in this movie and it works for him being psycho but is also makes him look stupid because if he keeps that up the whole city will know who Batman is in no time. Please stop with the gate keeping haha But yea, phenomenal movie.

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 very nice comment and I agree with it fully.

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 everyone knows the 1966 Batman that can boogy is the best Batman

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 Actually Bruce was Emo in the Zero Year storyline, so you haven't read every Batman comic. I think your response was unwarranted in the first place but there we go.

I didn't get that at all beyond him just saying that towards the end. Right up to the end he's brutally beating bad guys.

Yeah idk what movie you saw, definitely not the one I saw haha

I think its more of Batman realizing he has to connect with the people and protect them instead of just randomly taking out crime.

Matt Reeves is about to cook the things you've mentioned in the next sequels.

Killer Croc or Grundy would turn Batman into a horror Movie and I would be here for it.

Poison Ivy could be done easily, tbh they could have her utilize herbs and plants like a witch.

Same thing with Man of Steel, people judged the flaws without understanding that there's a planned arc. These characters are starting out flawed and will learn/adapt over time.

exactly these r the movies that r good... same with Joaquins Joker... best joker by far second is the one from the Gotham show.

@@subzero308 Have these people seen the Planet of the apes movies. Matt reeves character arc and development of Caesar was done to perfection. Instead of Batman begins and rushing through batmans progression in one movie, reeves is clearly spreading it out over time and fully fleshing out Batman and Bruce Wayne’s character

@@subzero308 No, that take on Joker was so bad lol.

Really weird he decided to use that huge boost to wreck penguin only after penguin killed a ton of people in that tanker explosion on the highway. Big fat jet engine on a V8 on a rollcage with some armor panels getting outrun by a Mercedes. Lol drawn out for no reason, other than to "look" cool. Would have just preferred an intercept scene, where it just shows the car off hauling ass towards the highway to intercept penguin ambushing him and taking him out one hit totally unexpected with minimal causalities. Could have shown off the car more, made a more bad ass scene with engine noise, close up, tight clearance driving, etc and less bullshit driving into traffic killing everyone

@@Mr-117 why is no one commending all these super-hero movies for FINALLY REVEALING COPS ARE INHERENT CRIMINALS (which was BLOCKED by the Comics Code Authority for 40 years!)? Google the Comics Code Authority! Amerikkka = Super-Nazi Germany!

@@jonbongjovi1869 Most the people who say the US is worse than living in Nazi Germany has never looked into what it was like. Auxiliary death squads murdered men, women, and children by beating them to death. The einstazgruppen would round up enemies of the Reich and execute them in mass graves and gas vans. Units like the dirlewanger brigade, a waffen SS penal unit made up of violent criminals and led by a sexual sadist committed crimes worse than most serial killers like bashing babies heads against walls and forcing people in barns then burning them alive. Children in concentration camps often alone had to eat their own feces on some occasions because of how hungry they were. Some reports from a Belgian army sapper in the wehrmact on what he saw the dirlewanger brigade do during the Warsaw uprising. "After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off with rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs." He also tells of the unit raping nurses and killing hospital patients. And much more. You live comfortably in a house, these people when through the worst things people can experience. There is no comparison and I say this as a victim of police brutality (beaten while in cuffs for a crime I did not commit and I was released shortly after explaining myself)

@@jonbongjovi1869 because while it's good. The timing is off. Hating the cops is a trend almost rn. People don't need another reason to hate police. I get there is corruption but "all cops are racist" is "all black people are criminals"

@@thing8357 EVERYTHING YOU DESCRIBE obviously PALES to the systemic rape / murder / robbery of native americans by murican "police". TRY AGAIN.

When Gordon tells him to punch him, Batman says "you're gonna get heat for this" which I assume means Gordon would immediately fess up after he escaped

I had the same thoughts. I thought Batman was still wanted by the cops after his escape but what do you know, all heat was dropped during Falcone arrest.

@@ebola9717 Batman said "you're gonna get heat for this" first and THEN Gordon replied with "Well, you punched me in the face", thus telling Batman that Gordon is going to avoid the heat by making it look like Batman assaulted him and fled of his own accord. Gordon playing the victim to cover up the fact that he actively helped Bats escape.

if that's explained in the book, not a lick of that martial arts training shows up. Definitely felt more like the kind of combat I'd expect if Mi6 Alfred trained him

@@famousthaneus9810 yeah the fighting choreography didnt convince me either, one thing I didn't like from the movie.

@@famousthaneus9810 There was a bit of judo and grappling. There was martial arts in there. I guess it just wasn't practical to use something like karate or taekwondo in full-body armor. The Batman who does that kind of stuff is in tights, not armor.