I think he was hesitant because it opens a can of worms for future reviewing. I would simplify what a ZERO means by classifying it as 2 things. 1) Non functional on all levels as a story and entertainment, and 2) Actually harmful to watch as a fan. What I mean is a story so bad that it breaks existing stories AND makes it almost impossible to repair with future writing with a major overhaul or mulligan.

@@SSingh-nr8qz What can they do but say this Star Trek is based in an alternate reality in the Cannon.. That 1980's/90's Star Trek Next Gen and Star Trek: Picard are 2 separate Picard's from alternate realities. Only way to save Star Trek is to cut this one off into the Shitverse of bad Star Treks.

Demmm i like picard just for joes reviews, cant even look the episodes

Indeed. There will be worse things in the future, but until then, this has to be the worst thing ever made.

ironically the exact reason why there are .something review systems. after you have reviewed enough things it becomes mandatory. if you try to use "a is better than b" logic which i think aj has tried to avoid.

This show is the Star Trek Trexels of Star Trek TV shows.

Go woke go broke

Its woke bullcrap.

@@diane6378 I haven't seen the show nor planning to, but what's woke about it?

@@brokenboy351 the message overshadows the content. The show is merely a platform. No subtlety. No interest in exploring complex issues. Even if you agree with the message it hammers you so much in a hamfisted way that the story becomes a mockery of itself, and characters start to look like caricatures . The audience can see the blatant attempts and it takes you out of the world, poorly constructed as it is. I’m guessing it’s some of that. This is not to be confused with progressive writing that was often present in later seasons of TNG and DS9 and was prepared to look into issues with various sides allowed to state their case. Even when it wasn’t subtle, it was generally interesting and there were very little easy conclusions.

Nope it's, 1966-2009.

@@Persian-Immortal Naw it died as soon as the first episode of Picard came out up until that point there was still some hope left IMO.

I do have some faith in "Strange New Worlds". It has to be better than this s**t!

Poor Patrick Steward. He was a legend with Star Trek, TNG. Now... =/

Star Trek ended in 2009 with J.J. Abrams. When he gave permission to NOT fix the timeline, and allowed "writers" to create their own "truth," and own messed up timeline, this is the dumper fire that will not be put out... I love Alex. "I'm glad that you're living YOUR truth." lol. Classic. (31:00)

Didnt know the writers were marines

underrated comment

Exactly! they wrote the script in Crayola *no mess color Wonder" markers, which was a huge expense to the production because they never put the Caps back on they would be driving the next day

They have one of those crayon maker toys. They keep just making brown though

Lol 😆

Alex just complains at the sake of Complaining… he’s just such a miserable person 😂

@@pukkicfc9061 cry

@@Just_a_Jape at? 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

@@pukkicfc9061 Nah, that's just a way to excuse complaints you don't agree with

The thing is, season 3 and 4 of Disco have a steadily improved, so even though it still has *GLARING FLAWS* the last two Disco seasons have had a lot of redeeming qualities and a lot of LGBTQA+ inclusiveness that have actually _brought in_new fans to the franchise. I _still_ can’t find anything redeemable or worthwhile in Picard, it’s *irredeemable!*

@@Popcultureguy3000 "brought in new fans" and "steadily improved" don't belong in the same sentence as star trek discovery. If anything. It got progressively worst and had more people pushing away from it, and actual numbers for the shows aren't being stated.

@@homelessend8557 Look man, the LGBTQA+ representation on Disco has been very good since season 1, they even knew how well the gay sci-fi geeks of America responded to the first openly gay couple on Star Trek and went out of their way to bring back from the dead one half of their main gay couple so they would stop being accused of killing him off to have less scenes of a married gay couple onscreen together. And then after that, they hired a non-binary actor to play a new ensign who rose to Lieutenant and trans actor to play a Trill. Like it or hate it, Disco’s always been the Trek show that goes out of its way to include as much LGBTQA representation in a way that felt organic rather than forced (with the exception of _maybe_ the Alternate Universe Professor from an Alternate Universe Risa in season 4? I can’t tell if that felt forced or not because his whole backstory episode felt like useless padding, and maybe I just think that aspect was forced was because having a whole episode dedicated to said backstory was unnecessary).

@@Popcultureguy3000 felt the most organic. Now that's a good joke. And Lgbt representation hasn't been good on this show especially since none of what they're doing matches what other successful shows have done. It still has bad writing, plotlines, etc, so focusing on a "message" rather than making most of the characters likeable pushes people away, even those it's trying to cater to, not brings them to watch the show. Representation means nothing if they do it in the poorest, least effort way possible, to the point viewership drops further.

This is way more entertaining and you don't have to support terrible member berries made by people who don't have a clue what made the originals (or any show) good.

It’s definitely more enjoyable. I know I’m not watching Picard. I still got old TNG and DS9 to watch.

I have’t seen a single episode of this season. I’ve only seen Joe and RLM. I absolutely love this season so far

Ahh yes I member

Agreed, watching the gang react to all these bad shows recently is more entertaining than the shows themselves.

you forgot Resident Evil: The Final Chapter

@@Takato2527 Wrong, that was still a 1/10 it was close but still 1/10. "the lowest one out of ten I can give and I would give it a zero out of ten if I didn't make my rating scale be where it is non functional, it is borderline zero out of ten." - Angryjoe

Even worse than Ride to Hell?

@@2DRonaldo Joe explained this in his livestream yesterday. As awful as RTH was, there were no expectations for it to be good. Star Trek is a beloved franchise, and to see it treated like this, on top of being objectively bad, warranted the extra penalty in score.

-10/10

Love Jorborgi. Perfect name for stupid borg. Can't wait for the memes, lol.

I am canceling my subscription in protest.

Many people have said it. That's the trend. Hijack popular IPs and twisting them to fit the Hollywood pedo or white hate agendas.

more than "not star trek" this is "not good filmmaking in any sense" its offensive. it treats the audience like we're stupid

@@antonego9581 Let's be honest here, the MAJORITY of the people sitting in front of the television IS STUPID. They enjoy this. This (and a lot of other shows/movies) isn't targeted at you, or me, or Joe.

It's progressivism wearing Star Trek as a skin suit. Very creepy. Very uncanny valley.

Tbf this is only possible when an existing franchise is destroyed in an episode with no entertainment value to watch it mindlessly.

@@michaellane5381 Joe, OJ & Alex said it themselves. This episode had zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everything about this episode was downright horrific. Not a single positive found that could've given it a 1 outta 10.

Santa Inc and Everything Gona be All White deserves -10 negative rating but NuTrek and other slaughtered franchise's are close too.

@@DragonHeart613 I haven't watched any of the series so I cannot quantify the score, I'm just saying for arguments sake 1/10 being the lowest rating for rating almost any media yet rating this 0/10 is not entirely inconsistent as it might actively be reducing your enjoyment of the previous media while not entertaining you in the present. I would argue that while that then sounds like a negative point scale might be more accurate the logic of 1/10 being lowest still finds a 0/10 rating as more accurate because to quantify the negative would require quantifying all the ruined content which would be beyond any objective standard and ruining the rating scales integrity. Thus Zeroing out the scale is fair in this case but wouldn't really work with a new/original property.

The very first 0/10, the worst of the worst has been achieved. My god...

I was thinking Alborg Borgsman or Jorg Jorg Borgarms as the name for the new Borg

Jurborgi*

Makes me miss Star Trek Enterprise.

Enterprise is a million times better.

0:03 Joe acts like he’s on almost every drug ever OJ: “Hey, Stop pretending to be the writers.”

God I wish there be more movies instead of this I rather watch for it.

At some point we have to accept that it’s political propaganda.

That says a lot about the type of person he is himself...

And hell, mass effect proved you don’t even need to necessarily have good traits. Jack is a murderous psychopath and samara is a religious zealot but both have enough nuance and offer a unique perspective to grow into some of the best characters.

so true

@@roberthesser6402 Let's be honest, people were always going to like a tattooed psychotic killer that barely wears cloths.

One can be quirky and honorable like a Harry Kim

Amen JJ Fuck The Fans Abrams and Kurtzman have another great fuck the fans moment.

More then called, they need to be banned from Hollywood and writing jobs!

If you really want to explore female empowerment, why not go back and explore Tasha Yar's character? o_O Remember her back story?

Aah, "the ascent". Classic ep. Before the dark times. Before Kurtzman.

Great episode. They hated each other, but respected each other. When push comes to shove, they both know they have each others back.

Or the episode where Quark accidently auctions off his body parts because he believed he was about to die. And subsequently had to make a choice between his own life and breaking his code established by his people. And ends up choosing his own life and getting all his posessions taken away, only for the people he would least expect to come and help him back.

Exactly this they took a sensetive matter and made it interesting and thought provoking, they didn't shove PC nonsense down our throat with 0 respect for the subject matter

You mean, about good writing?

Same 😂

I opened a bag of chips.

Same, I’m not interested in TV shows or the Star Trek universe but will watch Joe go on angry rant on anything

Same. Didn't watch any kind of Star Trek as the aesthetic isn't my cup of tea but I will watch the boys rant about anything

But wait, there is more: Season 3 is in the can and ready to go!

That's just disgusting rather than impressive duh

@@diatonicdelirium1743 With almost TNG cast... Oh my God.

Should we just call them the Bork now?

@@diatonicdelirium1743 Thanks for the warning dude🤢

Concent has a better ring to it than permission. Also change culture to individuality, because culture is patriarchal repression of women and non binary beings.

They're Swedish?

California is the leakings of hell on Earth.

its the 21 century

Because California wants to force everyone to see their message, and stuffing it into every franchise is how you take away any place people can go to ignore their politics.

Literally taking everything about the Borg and ignoring it. Complete 180 that makes no sense, with horrible explanations, and contrived macguffins, topped off with horrible over emotional scenes. And the thing is, all the people on this show are top frigging notch actors - it is amazing that this show could do this with them.

The worst thing Star Trek ever did was give the Borg a queen. They were much more menacing as an amorphous villain with no specific target to eliminate that would defeat them.

@@ToyHunter-wc9dz it made them more dangerous too because there was literally almost no weakness. Having a queen gives the Borg a centralized major weakness, noting how the movie ended. Also the queen, having sentient and emotions goes against everything the Borg are, and makes you wonder how they even work as a whole being controlled by essentially a human.

Nooo the idea that the Borg have been looking for an equal a partner goes back to TNG with locutus of Borg being intended as herald and effective consort of Borg quee . Then data in first contact and finally seven in voyager all had a Borg queen's special attention

Woo that's sound so cool, to say even here there are unreasonable

That's how I feel when I watch a man win first place at a women's swimming comp

Same. I don't watch it any more it ain't canon to me it ain't Star Trek to me. I just rewatch the old stuff now.

I'm on my fifth series, when does this trend every end?

@@diane6378 wtf does that have to do with anything

@@longliveyheking98 if you read you can see he explained that the feeling the op mentioned is similar to a feeling he gets when he sees people abuse gender identities for self gain.

I was thinking this lol

That actually helps I think. Especially in season one, I sort of liked it because of the nostalgia hit. To see a beloved franchise and it's characters getting utterly destroyed now is painful. OJ is blissfully ignorant and spared that. He only sees the objectively bad writing and execution now.

Like Jay, lol

i became a trekkie a few years ago, tng is so good one of the best of all time

She also rescued Borg children and took care of them.

@@JoeSchmo747-t2c Not people children, just Borg children!

@@newchrisusa As in not assimilated babies, but test tube babies!

..on a show, whose namesake is the most famous ex-borg Starfleet Captain in the history of their own fucking lore, who she is friends with....

@@rudeboyjohn3483 great point. Guess Picard is a non-person now. Data is spinning in his server!

You are assuming that jurati changes the collective from 2025 and rewrites history. That isn't necessarily (can't be) the case. Jurati will have to let history play out before changing anything.

@@sbirchysb not sure why she would eff off to the Delta quadrant then and run the risk of her collective getting assimilated. Chances are she would just just get assimilated by the real Borg anyways.

Please, friend. Choose to live.

I hate Elnor because he's not Romulan, he's an elf. Everything about him is elven. He even has an elven name. He might as well be Elnor, son of Elrond.

@@zephyr8072 I call him Space Legolas.

Havnt watched since David was the doctor that was gold when I was a kid

Theres a point to be made about Dr Who being in decline after Tenant. He was, I think, the last "true" Doctor, the subsequent regenerations are quite different in tonality and in how they and the episodes are written. That being said, I do like Matt Smith, though I belive he was underutilized, he has the right sort-of feel to him. Smug and wise yet childish and crazy, more or less what I would expect from the Doctor.

@@generalerica4123 I enjoyed Capaldi in Series 9 and 10.

@@generalerica4123 I thought Capaldi was a decent Doctor.

@@Horrormaster13 Well, okay, sure. Capaldi you can have.

Imagine a 0 out if 10 game. What could possibly be worse than ride tonhell or sonic free riders.

@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 The game would have to give you aids by playing it.

@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 I honestly don’t want to know..

@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 Probably a game that gives you seizures while also being a mtx hellhole, while having terrible performance and it directly insults gamers thru dialogue or smth

@@Walamonga1313 i think it would be game that barely functions.

Hey don't insult the Jawas like that!

There's still the other borg

ㄋ

When Alex rubs his head in silence...you know it's bad, LOL!

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know they're gonna leave a cliffhanger for the finale, like every freaking episode. At this point, I almost think that they won't even get back to the future until the next season - thats how bad it's gotten. This entire season was padding and filler to keep people subbed to their service for an extra year or so, absolutely insane.

Makes sense after world war 3 in that universe of the communist woke

the best ending would be them all getting shot in the Bell riots and Sisko runs on screen to kickstart "Past Tense"

I gave up on Star Trek when J.J. Abrams DIDN'T fix the space time continuum. He watched Back to the Future Part 2, and thought, "Hey, I like what Biff did! Let's do that and NOT fix the timeline, so I can create my own bastardized version of Star Trek."

Ikr. It feels is society is ripping itself apart.

As a center right aligned person. Just treat people with decency and don't force your point of view on others. This is terrible writing, even if you agree with the message it pushes, I would be more open to it even showed a secondary point of view. But no, the show message is: Its my way or the highway.

They are destroying all our franchises as well.

Political zealots are what they are.

Just over a month to go, baby! I have no doubt that Seth and company will deliver.

I can't friggan wait myself. The Orville is what star trek use to be. Season 3 should be awesome.

Whaat I didn't know that existed

I'm ashamed to say I've only just noticed the Orville from you guys mentioned it in one of Joe's Picard video's but damn it's good

this is my first hearing about Orville season 3. I'll spread the word to my friends and family

for me DSC was dreadful already from s1x1

@@Zontar82 Dude for real, I gave up after the first episode when this chick led a mutiny against her captain, that was the dumbest reason to mutiny.

I mean I TRIED giving them some benefit of the doubt since most star trek shows especially TNG had a rocky start, but damn it just doesn't get any better

@@Zontar82 Discovery is a masterpiece compared to whatever this is. Just when you think it can't get any worse they find new ways to surprise you

She gets fully reinstated and saves the universe.

I like the fact that there's a shotgun hanging on the wall in an abandoned house that is not full of piss and shit and homeless junkies. And that weapon is loaded and ready for action. Or that Walther P38 that Picard finds in a random box, is loaded and also ready to shoot....Eh, whatever, why am i even trying? It should have been a Tommy gun that he uses to mow down all the r3+@rded Borg soldiers.

Impossible, it would long been vandalized and mostly brought to rubble.

Yeah an they did a tv interview but in tng its hinted tv doesnt exist.. They unfreeze some people from a ship with cryogenic capsules and after waking up one guy ask if he can watch tv.. And piccard doesnt know what that is, so rykker i think tells him thats was some 20-21century entertainment thing humans had because they didnt know how to spend time better... Also starfleet in discovery and piccard is something total diffrent as it was in any kind of star trek ever existed..

@@kind2rethink exactly. TV being a huge plot and everything being cyberpunk just feels.. wrong

TBH they completely forgot about the Dominion War. I mean yeah they paid lip service to Sisko but they haven't given a fig about the Dominion War since Star Trek: Nemesis. You'd think people would've been more willing to help the Romulans with their sun going nova since they helped stop the Dominion.

The writers have no love of star trek

7 of 9 pretty much grandfather paradoxed herself.

@SpiderGuy2019 Not really, because at the moment there are in, there is the REAL Borg-Queen in the Delta-Quadrant, assimilating billions. The one on earth is a mix of a Queen from an alternate universe and Gerardi, existing parallel to the real one. But....BUT....i dont think the writers thought about that.

Sonic free riders should have been because it was damaging to his body.... :)

Amen to that.

They're the reason plastic bags have choking hazard warnings.

The only reason why i watch this really is Picard .... that about it. But every episodes in season 2 ... went worse to worse to worse ... i am convinced that picard is just doing it because he doesnt have time to do it anymore .... its litterally anytime for him to die and its a shame that his last work is gonna be this shit show ... S1 was fine not great but alright passable because that just what picard is. Season 2 went ... and im like Whut .... they literrally pulled this plot out of their ass ... Though I literally thought that this was a continuation of Season 1 ending where we saw some thing come out of a portal like thing ... i dont even think this was the same thing .... I truely believe this was a WHAT ifs moment.

They're the reason Biden is president

@@zoeadkins9095 heh heh heh. they all got assimilated by the writers.

Yeah, maybe someone should do it to the writers and Kurtzman...

I would add a few episodes like "All Good Things", "A Measure of a Man", and "Tapestry". All Picard centric and freaking amazing!

@@SSingh-nr8qz Let's add The Drumhead to that. An episode which' morality is the exact inverse of whatever this thing is supposed to be.

Starship Mine is another really good one!

Darmok would be another good Picard centric one to add to the list

I fear the writers see that as ChArAcTeR DeVeLoPmEnT

But that doesn't make sense, she killed hundreds of people in the name of vengeance...she was kicking around corpses like a thug. You can't trust anything these characters say or do because their actions may be retconned in the very next episode

cant be worse than halo show.

@@Blox117 nah picard is worse but halo is definatly one step worser then picard

@@adad87821 nah Picards definitely worst. Imagine having a character since the 80s and completely destroying the character, the plot of previous episodes, and the entire legacy through a single episode. It made the Khan project lame, made the "watchers" be time lord assholes that do nothing, give the Q a mortality, and wiped out 50+ years of canon like toilet paper

I will say that any complaint mentioning wokeness will be ignored by the writers and creators cause they're so far up their own asses. As someone whose all for everything inclusivity and political commentary on all that's bad about the world, including racism, the word woke has become such a meme that it's only really used by racist right wing fucks and internet people that don't realize that most people think only racist right wing fucks use it.

Think it's the thing. Old Trek constantly explored progressive ideas, but they did it in a framework where they allowed for exploration and discussion of ideas, not strictly proselytization. Even Picard's speeches, as self-righteous as they could be, were generally about rising above the kind of hard-lined ways things are now delivered. Right now we just have people pointing at things and saying "that's bad". No depth, no nuance, no questions. It's just bad writing and completely undermines old Trek and it's push for more rational examination of progressive concepts.

@@monody i'm gonna go watch best of both worlds again just to balance this turd out

To be honest, exloring space always was just the excuse to debate philosophical and ethic dilemmas of the present. They just did it smarter.

this is what happens when feminism wright's Star Trek... they will make it so guys get a free pass but the women never succeed but in the end the men are hiding behind barrels as the women clean up the mess.

You know what pisses me off about that? Picard was a Borg. He recovered. Seven is Borg, she recovered. Picard is now an Android. Seven is more human than he is.

Hell I forgot that during Enterprise they had stopped using their ability to mind meld. I just got caught up in the fact that they referenced that episode of Enterprise in the first place.

.. I am OK w Starfleet declining Seven, she has borg tech they don't understand and will be on ships w nuclear weapons or worse so who knows if she goes borgy or nanobots esapr... Did did she have a "right" to work in Starfleet. Women tried to force military to let their small bodies go into combat, and courts said feelings don't matter they get to pick the solidest applicants.. . We forget Starfleet deals with emergences by operating billion dollar ships, we need stable staff not risky. Would you hire swimmer Michael Phelps to be lifeguard and throw the swim ring to kid, knowing he is a millionaire pothead who is great but likely to be late or just pay less attention. Examples are many of military NOT wanting movie stars in WW2 since they want boring trips to man equipment and not make morale different. Seven would b great as scientist, not trusted w nuclear weapons the govt builds. Would you let Justin Bieber volunteer to join Army and man nuclear silo, or Bill Nye the scientist guy rather than boring kid from Kansas without any ego to fight with?? Or even trust him with driving a tank in Kuwait rather than a boring Iowa kid much less likely to disobey and shoot up a city? . I am exaggerating , and I am assuming Starfleet has boring duties... I have been fired for jobs cause they were menial and I clearly lacked the patience they could see it coming and let me go, ha. Seven also literally disobeyed Janeway dozen times, in a job application the interviewers risks their job if you hire a genius risky person and instead the system rewards interviewer hiring boring safe person..... PS. I know I am being boring, but Star Trek was about crews working together to over 50 years teach other how to operate complex Starships it was example of where the entire crew of 1000 mattered not 1 genius lieutenant somehow mattering, and people were humble and ok with this not demanding hiring/promotion/ and captain listen to them on day 1..... Ok...

@@mostlyguesses8385 wow, just all sorts of wow. GTFO of the Trek fandom if your going to bring this kind of purely misogynistic BS to the table as a reason that a character would be turned down from Starfleet. We have seen plenty of women in the captains chair and beyond in almost every era of Trek, and they all are the type to work their asses off to get to where they got. And BTW 7 is probably in better shape, stronger, and more durable than most humans let alone just women, so that sexist argument doesn't even apply to her.

"All I have to do is buy whatever I want, take over the industry, and then everyone will be forced to watch whatever garbage I put out for the lowest price, at the highest profit margin. What, that doesn't work? Huh... But, it worked when I sold books online..." -Jeff Bezos "You mean launching rockets powered by Methane and supporting Russia in their war of aggression isn't a long-term viable option? Huh..." -Elon Musk "Who would have thought providing NUCLEAR power would be dangerous..." -Bill Gates "I just wanted to make chicks feel insecure about their bodies since I could never get a date in high school or college." -Mark Zuckerberg

I'm progressive, i have sociology/history background and i hate the in your face empowerment/girl power/you know there's bad trumpists people writing.... not because those issues aren't a thing but because it's basically 2/3 of every scenes of every reboots of every franchises, it's literally occulting the story they're trying to tell and the IP is just a setting for blatant PR reasons essentially designed to target new demographic that never watched the originals and cares more about the social context than consistent, coherent good story telling

The strange part about their social criticisms is that none of them ever seem to make a point or actually say anything. Like the ICE plot. Yeah, ICE is messed up, for sure, got it, but what the heck was that part about the guy complaining “no paper trail, no trial, nothing!”? Like, are the writers actually suggesting they’d prefer it if undocumented migrants were detained for MONTHS if not YEARS while the U.S.’s legal system slowly worked its way to their case, at which point they’d inevitably get kicked out anyway? Or are they saying that they shouldn’t be detained at all and that you should just blindly trust that they’ll show up in nine months when you can finally schedule a trial for whether or not they get to stay in the country? Even if they were dumb enough to show up, how would you contact them to give them a date when they have no address or SS# or license or anything? It’s like they don’t even care about the actual problems of the system and just heard that other people are mad so they’re just assuming they understand how it works so they can be an “ally”.

I totally agree: He made a great point saying that the entire audience that they were trying to sway will look at this as an example to further dig their heels into conservative beliefs, by saying this is a perfect example of how stupid the "progressive woke" movement is. And he's totally right, it does the entire thing a disservice instead of any service. This is the worst season of Star Trek I've ever seen, and I've watched this show for over 20 years.

Sorry, but this IS the progressive message. It is everywhere. It isn't just in Star Trek. It was Gillette. It was Coke. It is Disney. It is Picard. They keep echoing the same thing. If you don't think this is the progressive message, then you aren't with them and you haven't been paying attention.

I love that Joe reads our comments

Nevermind the fact that Picard saw a vision of his mother in TNG as an old woman. The idiots who wrote this garbage couldn't even pay attention to _that._

I don't get it, either. Let's get to season 3 already.

Lots & lots to criticize, but IMO, this is the one thing they got right. A child finding his Mother hanging (more so than letting her out of the room) is as seriously traumatizing as it gets. Absolutely enough to completely repress the memory. (Yeah, I'm a psyche nurse.)

@@lilymack4028 Except it completely contradicts every other bit of canon. It doesn't make sense, not because it doesn't make sense on it's own, but because it doesn't make sense when put up against the entirety of Picard's character history.

@@lilymack4028 So in the 24th century, after 300 years of medical advancement, the best they could do for a suicidal woman was to lock her up every night in a room with a 19th century lock and key? It makes zero sense. Lazy writing at its finest.

the guillotine would disagree

Putin.

@@itsenox4145 bulls aren't that new of a concept though

Just like conservatives

@@InTrancedState lol so weak so completely unrelated what a pathetic cope of a statement

Alex was thinking "I would do Seven of 9"

Never thought I'd say this but I want McFarlane to head a Trek show.

The Expanse too

True. The Kaylons are basically the android uprising from Season 1, but done a hell of a lot better.

“Seth” Trek understands what makes _great_ Sci-Fi: *Exploring the social and moral implications of technology.* Star 'Tard Picard is just _more dumb action schlock,_ the federation serves no purpose, and the writers just make up dumb shit as they go along.

its actually really good and we are getting a new season too

hold my cup of Earl Grey...hot.

I like how relevant your name is to what they're talking about too!

Should have been wearing an Orville shirt :)

Yeah agreed 100%. The worst thing is that I think I’m pretty progressive and would agree on a lot of ideas in a show if they were allegories or delivered well. I haven’t seen Picard but I guarantee I would hate it based on AJS reactions to it. And then I would be labeled as someone who disagrees with the ham fisted messages their trying to deliver. Instead of what I actually dislike which is the quality of the writing. There’s a time and place for everything so sometimes it just doesn’t fit to have a certain message in a movie or TV show. And furthermore if as a writer you’re more concerned with the message than writing engaging characters and story itself then the movie / TV show is pretty screwed in my opinion, and only appeals to people that get the message and don’t care that everything else is shite. And worst off it does nothing to help people who disagree with it see your side of the argument. In fact it probably just reinforces their beliefs instead of having them ask questions. I’ve got some friends who have very different beliefs than me, but we can get along very well because we have way more in common than not. I think that’s something that in America today we’re missing. Regardless of political position, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, economic status etc. we all want at the very base level some very common things. And if we could learn to see that then we’d be a whole lot better off as a country and a world in general. We just get hung up on specific issues that divide us instead of seeing the bigger picture.

If anything, this just serves to further enforce the cultural wars then try and show that conservatives and liberals have a whole lot more in common then we do with the people in charge of this country or at the top. So a total disservice.

@@jmoney584 holy shit.. i figured out what the writers are doing!!!! Its actually genius.. they are intentionally sabotaging Trek so progressives AND conservatives hate it! We can strike up a conversation about the source material and wallow in our misery together. Holy shit they are actual geniuses

> One of the problems I have with this type of writing is that it vilifies anyone with a even the smallest dissenting views. That was the whole POINT of the Star Trek format. That's why it was set in space, in the far distant future. That's why it used aliens and allegory to present ideas; To get past the polarization and defensiveness and get people to THINK about the subject. You are literally making the viewpoints INTO alien races, being presented by them, then learning to see those aliens as people, whether you agree with them or not. This is why anytime Star Trek Time Travels to the 'modern day' it ends up being mediocre at best. It bypasses all the machinery that makes Star Trek WORK. It's either campy fluff, or it's a bunch of superior future versions of ourselves getting preachy about how much we suck (And honestly, the crew of Picard is SO flawed they can't even really do that without coming off as hypocritical). There's no distance to allow you to get a new perspective on an issue. It's just 'The Issue'.

Totally agree. Star Trek and other things were common ground where Conservatives and Progressives could enjoy together and talk afterwards. I have been watching since the Original Series. I have had enjoyed it with all kinds of people from different leanings. Now not so much because it's basically propaganda today. No subtlety. No introspection.

Same as Dr Who unfortunately

And game, movie etc.

The Promised Neverland Season 2.

The Last Airbender

The real Star Trek spiritual successor, by a genuine fan.

FACTS!

This is what happens when ultra-capitalists take over.