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The Battle of Phall: Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors (Warhammer 40K & Horus Heresy Lore)

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Oculus Imperia

Oculus Imperia

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Being a record of the becalming of Rogal Dorn's Retribution Fleet, it's ambush by Perturabo and the Iron Warriors, the actions of Alexis Polux, and discussions upon the battle's legacy.
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@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 4 ай бұрын
Least violent disagreement between the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists.
@codycurtin2295
@codycurtin2295 4 ай бұрын
It might as well be true when you see what happened whenever they worked together during the Crusade!!!!
@yaelz6043
@yaelz6043 4 ай бұрын
I like to think that a quarter of their disagreements is them both sitting in their own fortresses and waiting for the other to attack. That would be far less violent.
@Lazarus1095
@Lazarus1095 4 ай бұрын
Yes, quite civil.
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db 4 ай бұрын
I swear to god this is one if not the greatest 40k lore channels out there
@yaelz6043
@yaelz6043 4 ай бұрын
Which god?
@criticalcommenter
@criticalcommenter 4 ай бұрын
Leagues above anybody else.
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db 4 ай бұрын
@@yaelz6043 he who sits on the throne lol
@yaelz6043
@yaelz6043 4 ай бұрын
@@AdrianMartinez-ho6dbcorrect *disappointedly puts down flamer*
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db
@AdrianMartinez-ho6db 4 ай бұрын
@@yaelz6043 I don’t think the inquisition will find a problem with me 😂😂😂😂
@gathenhielm9977
@gathenhielm9977 4 ай бұрын
Always found it kinda funny how Polux decided to fortify the vacuum of space.
@hansstrudel9614
@hansstrudel9614 4 ай бұрын
Because Pollux is a gigachad who operates on his own wavelength.
@gathenhielm9977
@gathenhielm9977 4 ай бұрын
@@hansstrudel9614 Granted, his plan 100% worked.
@jromero9795
@jromero9795 4 ай бұрын
He wouldn't be much of an Imperial Fist if he didn't try
@davyfromthenavy4248
@davyfromthenavy4248 4 ай бұрын
Dorn does something very similar in his Primarch novel
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 3 ай бұрын
Conversely, the Iron Warriors were at a distinct disadvantage. How does one Siege that which has no walls?
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 4 ай бұрын
"Execute Perturabo" is still one of the rawest orders in the whole Heresy, Alexis is GOATed
@Gooblin1000
@Gooblin1000 4 ай бұрын
"There is no such thing as alternative history, only fiction." Goes hard
@notinspectorgadget
@notinspectorgadget 4 ай бұрын
It's also kind of sad.
@thepurplebandit3859
@thepurplebandit3859 9 күн бұрын
It's stupid because alt history has always been known as a form of fiction
@e-san6111
@e-san6111 4 ай бұрын
Imperial Fists Boarding Party: You wants us to board the IV legion’s flagship, knowing it will be costly. Polux: I do. IFBP: Very Well. Glory to Dorn, and glory to Him on Earth.
@kupper123
@kupper123 4 ай бұрын
" Worst still I regret not finishing the job. My retribution fleet had him, lord, we were close to killing the bastard." Alexis Pollux to the Primarch Roboute Guilliman on Maccrage
@punec
@punec 4 ай бұрын
Kinda shows inability to take initiative on Polluxs side imo. You have a primarch cornered and you're not gonna go for decapitating a traitor legion... Sure...
@kre8or465
@kre8or465 4 ай бұрын
The Iron warriors made one mistake here, they gave the Imperial Fists prep time.
@americanman3745
@americanman3745 4 ай бұрын
So funny. My family recognizes your opening everytime I watch or rewatch a video. "Whelp, dad is painting. Better bring him water. He'll be there for a while"
@krimzonstriker7534
@krimzonstriker7534 4 ай бұрын
Praise the Emperor, Occulus is back and we're revisiting the Pre-Calth HH battles? Cannot wait for the narration of the Raven's flight and Paramar next 😉
@michaelgautreaux3168
@michaelgautreaux3168 4 ай бұрын
😯 Oooo. That will be grand!
@colinbielat8558
@colinbielat8558 4 ай бұрын
Paramar definitely needs to be covered, such an important and pivotal early battle for the traitors which was necessary for the events later in the heresy.
@TheChiefBusta
@TheChiefBusta 4 ай бұрын
My favorite thing about this story is the irony of how it ends. The only reason why they survived the attack by the iron warriors is because sigismund was not in command, he would have tried to break out and been cut down out of formation, but the flipside is that if it had been Sigismund or a commander like him who receivied that final order to return, they would have simply delayed their retreat until they had finished criplling the iron warriors. Loyalty saved them and damned the Imperium at the same time
@christiansmith9306
@christiansmith9306 4 ай бұрын
The true birth of my most dedicated chapter...The Crimson Fists. FOR THE EMPEROR, FOR DORN, FOR ALEXSIS!
@Mole9961
@Mole9961 4 ай бұрын
This is the first I really have ever heard of this battle. I’ve heard its mention in the past but I’ve never had any details given. One of the examples as to the reason I listen and recommended this channel to all my friends that even have a passing interest in the franchise.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 4 ай бұрын
Yep. Many other 40K channels will stick to just playing "The Hits". Oculus Imperia is one of the few channels that will drill deep, and reveal stories few ever thought worry of telling. And do so in a way that they become perennial favorites.
@peanusbenis5631
@peanusbenis5631 4 ай бұрын
And lo, sayeth the Emperor; 'I gift unto thee another Oculus video. I bid thee end thine current doings to partake. For it is good.' And so I did as bode; and it was good.
@joshuafischer684
@joshuafischer684 4 ай бұрын
The Emperor protects (you from boredom).
@dragonsword2253
@dragonsword2253 4 ай бұрын
"FORTIFY" "SIEGE" "FORTIFY" "SIEGE" "FORTIFY" "SIEGE" "FORTIFY" "SIEGE"
@user-iy5ww2hj4p
@user-iy5ww2hj4p 4 ай бұрын
FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY
@DeetexSeraphine
@DeetexSeraphine 4 ай бұрын
SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE SIEGE
@bodricthered
@bodricthered 4 ай бұрын
FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY
@tauras3108
@tauras3108 4 ай бұрын
I think Magnus was the first loyal Primarch to discover Horus betrayal and then made a pigs ear of it .
@largepork5807
@largepork5807 4 ай бұрын
Know this isn't related to the video, but you're doing a great job over on Hunter The Parenting! Thanks for all the great storytelling
@kylebrown5512
@kylebrown5512 4 ай бұрын
Your quality of videos that come out of sheer detail, character, established atmosphere & attitude is astounding, impressive & unparalleled. I can only watch & enjoy. Thank you.
@hayescharles45
@hayescharles45 4 ай бұрын
Even as an Iron Warriors fan, Alexis Pollux was a warrior and fleet commander of tremendous skill. I doubt even Sigismund could have done better at phall. He made Perturabo build automata as bodyguards, he was so surprised that the boarding party got that close through his Iron warrior protection. Legend. Glad you gave him some light here in yet another of your superb videos, Oculus, as Id never fully heard the full tale of the Battle of Phall
@colinbielat8558
@colinbielat8558 4 ай бұрын
The dominatar cohorts failed our father and for their failure they were removed from him. They lacked iron within and as such were weak.
@ArchArturo
@ArchArturo 4 ай бұрын
Me: how does one fortify an ever-shifting position, such as space!?. Imperial Fist: Hold my Waffles.
@electricfan1085
@electricfan1085 4 ай бұрын
I've been getting into the Battlefleet Gothic tabletop game and listening to you narrating fleet engagements is amazing.
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 4 ай бұрын
Excellent work as always Historator. Your pondering at the end definitely has the ring of veracity based on what we know of the Archenemy & their tendency for plans within plans.
@RSBurgener
@RSBurgener 4 ай бұрын
We don't like to talk about Phall, especially around our Lord. The mood tends to become...fatal.
@Miron_Marnic
@Miron_Marnic 4 ай бұрын
How do you describe a violent death of an IW? Irony
@UGNAvalon
@UGNAvalon 4 ай бұрын
20:25 “Warp rupture detected.” “Reading multiple pings on auspex!” “Warp rupture detected.” “I concur. We are also detecting multiple anomalies.” “Warp rupture detected.” “Multiple Iron Warrior ships incoming.” “Warp rupture detected.” “Does anyone have a visual?” “Warp rupture detected.” “They’re everywhere!!” “Warp rupture detected.” "This must be the entire thrice-damned 4th Legion!" "Warp rupture detected." _Hammer of Terra explodes_ "Warp rupture detected."
@cthulawha
@cthulawha 4 ай бұрын
Awesome work as always Occulus, its really cool to have this engagement expanded to more than a couple of paragraphs of info
@DorkimusMaximus-cc9xu
@DorkimusMaximus-cc9xu 4 ай бұрын
“There is no such thing as alternative history, only fiction.” That might be one of the best quotes about sci-fi I’ve ever heard.
@CoHigh
@CoHigh 4 ай бұрын
One of the most chilling moments ever. Im paraphrasing... "your order, board the Iron Blood, execute Perturabo!"
@adbjr12
@adbjr12 4 ай бұрын
I am a simple man. I see that Oculus has posted, I have a great day.
@firehazardentertainment8381
@firehazardentertainment8381 4 ай бұрын
YEEESSS, I've been wanting information on the Battle of Phall since first reading about Dantioch, but wasn't able to find a cohesive narrative about the event.
@RawDogAnAeldari
@RawDogAnAeldari 4 ай бұрын
This channel is a good lore channel for those who don't know the lore, but an immaculate one for those that do!
@shouldb.studying4670
@shouldb.studying4670 4 ай бұрын
Poetry at the grandest scale delivered in tones that stir the very soul
@koreratman329
@koreratman329 4 ай бұрын
I am fortifying this comment section.
@agripinaa8684
@agripinaa8684 4 ай бұрын
FORTIFY
@ghostplays2766
@ghostplays2766 4 ай бұрын
FORTIFY!!!
@KinoTechUSA69
@KinoTechUSA69 4 ай бұрын
Siege lines have been drawn up around you, prepare for bombardment.
@ghostplays2766
@ghostplays2766 4 ай бұрын
@@KinoTechUSA69 I am looking forward to it!
@cjthebeesknees
@cjthebeesknees 4 ай бұрын
Shifts up, head to the mess hall for some hot chow Guardsmen.
@be_quiet_and_drive
@be_quiet_and_drive 4 ай бұрын
Its a cool scene in the HH novels where Perturabo is watching the data stream during the battle, and realizing that Pollux almost beat him.
@MandaloretheSavage
@MandaloretheSavage 4 ай бұрын
Iron within, Iron Without!!
@razgriz821
@razgriz821 4 ай бұрын
Iron Within, Loyalty Without
@yourbuddyunit
@yourbuddyunit 4 ай бұрын
Brothers and sisters, gather round the vox! The Oculus speaks, and we are privileged to listen!
@servit0r
@servit0r 4 ай бұрын
Best content KZfaq ever held the honor to host.
@phaodaimotnguoi-1manfortress
@phaodaimotnguoi-1manfortress 4 ай бұрын
To think that a commander of the Fists could have taken the head of the bitter perturabor right then and there is just awesome and tragic at the same time. Hell! If not for the message, this could became the "iron cage" of the IV and the battle of the Imperial pallace might not be so costly for the Imperial. Definetly the work of Chaos!
@Sephiroth36977
@Sephiroth36977 2 ай бұрын
I finished "Shadows of Treachery" a couple of days ago and my first thought was: "I can watch that one Occulus Imperia video now!".
@mattythefatty6442
@mattythefatty6442 4 ай бұрын
I am blessed by your productions thank you holy angel.
@markkapalo5253
@markkapalo5253 4 ай бұрын
Enthralling story telling, as usual!
@Pfasma5
@Pfasma5 4 ай бұрын
Excellent great description, and great telling
@UGNAvalon
@UGNAvalon 3 ай бұрын
Love that evaluation at the end of the video. For all intents & purposes, the Imperial Fist Retribution Fleet was not meant to survive that day. Yet they did (however battered). To call that a defeat (or an Iron Warrior victory) would be a gross oversimplification; if anything, it was a “pyrrhic” defeat at best.
@therealnoodledog6660
@therealnoodledog6660 4 ай бұрын
I need this right now! Thanks, Oculus! You help fellow souls on this long hard path.
@LGMUFO
@LGMUFO 4 ай бұрын
This is gonna be gooooood! Love the channel so much mate, your story telling is next level!
@timm2428
@timm2428 4 ай бұрын
Puts this on as loud as i can. Been struggling alot with my ptsd lately. Youre vids help alot, thank you.
@peterjkupper
@peterjkupper 4 ай бұрын
Posting to create the illusion of interaction for you, Oculus. Appreciate your service.
@tank1demon
@tank1demon 4 ай бұрын
21:50 caught ya lackin'
@MarqFJA87
@MarqFJA87 4 ай бұрын
"There is no such thing as alternative histories, only fiction." Yeah, about that... The Oculus Investigatus may wish to consult a certain record involving a certain Primaris prototype that implies the exact opposite being true.
@Jack-0-lantern
@Jack-0-lantern 4 ай бұрын
To what are you referring to?
@andrew1230981
@andrew1230981 4 ай бұрын
I would love a bio of the last loyal sons of the traitor legions
@gregmandu
@gregmandu 4 ай бұрын
Oh how I have been looking forward to this account. And I was not disappointed. Fantastic as always Oculus :)
@V.B.Squire
@V.B.Squire 4 ай бұрын
"The kaiser gave you a commission assuming you would know when NOT to obey an order" Andy Milburn USMC "A Duty to disobey" If only the Legion had stayed and finished off perturabo
@pietro4618
@pietro4618 4 ай бұрын
Iron Within, Iron Without
@jasoncrowell8863
@jasoncrowell8863 4 ай бұрын
Although, in the case of Peter Turbo, it's "Iron Without, Salt Within"
@pietro4618
@pietro4618 4 ай бұрын
@@jasoncrowell8863 Iron and salt go hand in hand
@ralach
@ralach 4 ай бұрын
Petty without,petty within.. ;)
@Pizzifrizzo
@Pizzifrizzo 4 ай бұрын
You always outdo yourself Oculus. Now we only need the Raven's Flight to complete the Isstvan "arc"
@MrCitizen0
@MrCitizen0 4 ай бұрын
Love this channel. Your part of MG top 3 warhammer channels on yourube
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 4 ай бұрын
Thanks , just what I needed this morning ☕️
@willogsdon7092
@willogsdon7092 4 ай бұрын
You made my day with thus one thank you Historator
@michaelgautreaux3168
@michaelgautreaux3168 4 ай бұрын
Loyalty is in common step w/ belief or in the W/H 40k presentation...Faith. many thanx Oculus. Go in the Emperor's light. 👍👍
@Lemonhead209
@Lemonhead209 4 ай бұрын
I'm going to say it, the this is the 40k Lore Channel in my opinion.
@GarGhuul
@GarGhuul 4 ай бұрын
“Prepare to fall like the leaves in Phall!”
@stuartchadwick184
@stuartchadwick184 4 ай бұрын
The battle of Phall. Told from the perspective of the Imperial Fists.
@captainteutonica5474
@captainteutonica5474 4 ай бұрын
I bet every back in the IVth hurts to this day, from how hard they otherwise carried the Heresy.
@Madmouseanon
@Madmouseanon 4 ай бұрын
The Emperor blesses your face and your voice and your channel. You do the Imperium's finest works.
@gavincross2902
@gavincross2902 4 ай бұрын
One of your best yet!
@darth_olomew
@darth_olomew 4 ай бұрын
Oculus Imperia for High Council 2024
@therealneal9980
@therealneal9980 4 ай бұрын
Babe wake up new Oculus Imperia video just dropped
@Azzie420
@Azzie420 4 ай бұрын
Oh yeah Time for Pollux to do what we call a “devious lick” *Steals Contrador*
@banditlord8210
@banditlord8210 Ай бұрын
Perturabo: Give up and die fist, I have the high ground. Pollux: I didn’t hear no bell, boys execute him!
@itsallfunandgames723
@itsallfunandgames723 4 ай бұрын
It's so funny this video came up today, I was just thinking about this battle and how it ends yesterday. I can only imagine how good the Horus Heresy might be if GW had hired experienced historical fiction writers and military-knowledgeable novelists. And I can only imagine how clever the writer thought he was when he came up with this ending. But these videos make even the decidedly young-adult stories from GW sound really good.
@HandofBlake
@HandofBlake 4 ай бұрын
Loved it!
@leonardovegaolmedo5483
@leonardovegaolmedo5483 4 ай бұрын
Thanks as always
@Pizzifrizzo
@Pizzifrizzo 4 ай бұрын
A small addendum: Hashin Yonnad, the first fleetmaster, was a veritable legend, having led the Imperium's forces in the Consus Drift Campaign and in the Araneus Wars, that led to Araneus Prime being calles Necromunda. His foresight was proven by his choice of Polux as a successor. It's tragic he went out like that, one of the countless evil ironies of the Horus Heresy.
@mikewaterfield3599
@mikewaterfield3599 4 ай бұрын
Sorry, I don’t see Purturabo as a man child. He just got tired of being abused. Everyone took him for granted. As for any argument between Dorn and Purturabo, well Purti cracked the imperial palace and while Dorn technically cracked the “Iron Cage” it was a hollow victory.
@RSBurgener
@RSBurgener 4 ай бұрын
The fictional Imperium and the "good guy" mentality of the conformist GW corporation sets the outer narrative of the 40k universe. Outward expressions of rage are taboo in this polite society, so such behavior is labeled childish. No one cares to think that deeply about what might have motivated it. Thankfully, we've got some ingenious writers who contemplated that and have seeded it throughout the literature if you care to look for it. Most of the audience wants to be "good" so they close their minds to it. And there is exemplified the irony the story is pointing out in the first place. Progress tends to be exclusive. Many people get used and left behind, only to have their anger trivialized, disregarded and disrespected. Perturabo represents that in my opinion.
@mikewaterfield3599
@mikewaterfield3599 4 ай бұрын
@@RSBurgener there are no “good guys” in the grim dark. Considering GW gave us the demonculaba and the “symphony of pain” I don’t think I’d call them conformists. At least not in their early days.
@lapantony
@lapantony 4 ай бұрын
Perturabo was a cruel entitled prick with no control of his emotions his entire life, both before and after having met the Emperor. He can only blame himself for how others viewed him, and him not realising as much only solidifies his imagie as a salty manchild
@auroralee
@auroralee 4 ай бұрын
Not going to try and stoke up too much fire on the 'Perturabo, good or bad' argument. His characterization is certainly a polarizing topic in the fandom. One thing I have noticed though is a lot of people framing the Iron Warrior's treatment by the greater war effort as uniquely cruel. They were the ones that got the "dirty jobs", attrition warfare and the most punishing conditions. And part of this is definitely an inevitability; they are the siege experts and masters of attrition. But plenty of other legions faced just as crippling losses, but had their * Primarchs * bring them back from the brink. Plenty of legions do the "dirty jobs" without much honor or fanfare (Dark Angels a keen example). But from my perspective as an outside observer of the Iron Warriors legion, Perturabo didn't do anything to stop the "abuse" of his legion, or better their circumstances. No change in tactics, culture, or command structure that could give the IVth a chance to weather the storm. He just looked at his legion, told them they weren't good enough, needlessly slaughtered a tenth, and demanded they do better. It's interesting to me to see how resigned Perturabo was to his fate, and the fate of his legion. Other Primarchs uplifted their legions with hope and ingenuity. Perturabo never had faith in his legion, and his victimhood complex shows.
@mikewaterfield3599
@mikewaterfield3599 4 ай бұрын
@@auroralee ooh, you miss my point. Purti was not a “good guy” Neither was Dorn. He more or less single handedly carried the siege of Terra. He was an exceedingly effective primarch. He also humbled the hell out of Fulgrim. My point is he was justified in saying “to hell with it” to both the Imperium and the War master.
@paxvictori2385
@paxvictori2385 4 ай бұрын
Oh boy the depressed space history man is back
@JERKIMBALL1
@JERKIMBALL1 4 ай бұрын
Nice 🤯 friday morning just improved
@LurkMoar101
@LurkMoar101 4 ай бұрын
With every piece of Imperial Fist lore I hear or see lately, I'm starting to become a fanboy, I'll be a mini Valrak soon. Ave, Imperator.
@ActionQuackson
@ActionQuackson 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video!
@TheAtomicSpoon
@TheAtomicSpoon 4 ай бұрын
IRON WITHIN!
@mphoramathe1801
@mphoramathe1801 4 ай бұрын
Loyalty IS it's own reward, good archivist✊
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 ай бұрын
Okay, I know the joke is that the Imperial Fists can fortify anything, but i wasn't expecting that to extend to the empty vacuum of interplanetary space!
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 4 ай бұрын
The Sons of Dorn do not show emotion, positive or otherwise, often or easily. But I'm absolutely convinced that at least some cracked grim smiles as the Iron Warriors engaged them "Time to settle this PROPERLY"
@l33t9r0u93
@l33t9r0u93 4 ай бұрын
this was really nice
@ayli9
@ayli9 4 ай бұрын
Я думаю нужно и 2й эпизод по вахе сделать - дать больше лора и углубиться в образцы техники в пластике и смоле:)
@ScottAT
@ScottAT 4 ай бұрын
I just realized the similarities between these space marines of this heresy era and the Batman Comic Villan named Bane.
@ikenosis8160
@ikenosis8160 4 ай бұрын
Maximum level Ooof! Excellent storytelling. Always a pleasure. Liked and shared. Godspeed
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 4 ай бұрын
A master class in void warfare the Iron Warrior learnt the hard way. Glory to the 7th.
@Lon_Suder
@Lon_Suder 4 ай бұрын
Outstanding
@jaydee6380
@jaydee6380 4 ай бұрын
I've battled with a phall a few times, half rice half chips
@randomacademypilot
@randomacademypilot 4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@bodricthered
@bodricthered 4 ай бұрын
Oh how close to closing down the heresy, without the 4th son the traitors wouldn't have got within a sector of the throne.
@bobdrooples
@bobdrooples 4 ай бұрын
The battle of Phall is in the eating. The war of Phall is in the Sheeting. Rushholme Proverb.
@FarithRedloss709
@FarithRedloss709 4 ай бұрын
I would love for you do do some thramas crusade content. ❤
@matthewstone1362
@matthewstone1362 4 ай бұрын
If only there had been a pair of massive Pollux. It may have changed the out come.
@trimeerious4349
@trimeerious4349 4 ай бұрын
Hello great orator, are you planning on completing your amazing libre Chaotica series ? Your khorne episode was incredible
@johnmosser6695
@johnmosser6695 4 ай бұрын
I've been constantly annoyed by a lack of reference to Phall in the HH books I have read, this record has fully settled that annoyance. Ave Imperator!
@dansmith4077
@dansmith4077 4 ай бұрын
Great video
@GarGhuul
@GarGhuul 4 ай бұрын
Immaterriam: It’s not the best way to communicate or travel faster than light. It’s the only way.
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen 4 ай бұрын
I really dislike how this battle was written. But if anyone can "polish" the lore, it is You!
@immortallvulture
@immortallvulture 4 ай бұрын
One of the more random consequences of phall was the disgrace of Perturabos bodyguard, the dominators. After having the imperial fists breach the inner sanctum of his flagship, perturabo lost faith in his honour guard and replaced them with the iron circle, a group of massive customised battle automata that he designed and controlled. It probably didn’t do much good for perturabos coolness towards his sons, nor his paranoia.
@Edranair
@Edranair 4 ай бұрын
The fists couldn't have killed Perturabo here. They didn't have the fleet strength to destroy his flagship in void warfare and they didn't have the infantry resources necessary to overcome the Iron Warriors, Perturabo's automata bodyguards (who were both stronger and more reliable than astartes) and the Lord of Iron himself. The attempt, however, would have done a great deal of damage to the Iron Warriors fleet and possibly the interior of the Iron Blood, damage that did not occur due to their retreat. The Fists still endured a great deal of damage due to the difficulties of disengaging, but some of them did survive and bring back the report of what had happened when not doing so would have ultimately been suicide and render that information lost. Only a much deeper dive and analysis of the war can possibly determine which would ultimately have been more valuable. As for the final message and order to retreat, my money's on it being an intentional play by Horus, who wasn't observing, but had it planned to go through then, intended to either rub salt into the wound of an already defeated fleet or to push the Fists to disengage if they'd managed to turn the tides on Perturabo. Despite giving Perturabo more praise than most, he still ultimately held little regard for the Lord of Iron, so I imagine what the fists did here fits in with what Horus expected to play out into a loyalist victory, once again underestimating the power and sheer computational might of Perturabo, who doubtless saw the attack coming and had already decided how to counter it (probably 'take the hit and use their commitment to crush them once they'd moved into a position where their superior maneuverability couldn't save them').
@ashalley
@ashalley 4 ай бұрын
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