You would think that if they had the DNA of the Space Marines that would mean that they had the Geneseed as well since you can't have one without the other for Space Marines.

​@@cursedhawkins1305They did not understand progenoid glands. It brings to mind how in Frieren, they know how to magically fly as they copied the spell from the demons. But they don't understand how the spell works, they're just copying it, so all they can do is levitate the caster instead of anything else.

​@@cursedhawkins1305 genessed is something like the base for the space marine and some of its organs, but there are others than need to be implanted, along with the training

when a space marine dies a apothecary take the Gene Seed to prevent capture from cheats and other factions ​@@cursedhawkins1305

@@cursedhawkins1305 The gene seed may have been extracted from the deceased marines before the Tau found them.

I thought he just committed suicide?

​@turtlehead8386 that he did. The self induced heart attack took him out as well as the Tau who were "connected" to him

@@turtlehead8386 He did but he took a bunch of them with him.

​@@turtlehead8386he did it after.

The others thought that Raven Guard Captain was the fabled Emperor of Mankind… yeah they don’t know anything about the Imperium

He did. His leg got torn off, so they made a "prosthetic" from one of the dead fake space Marines' legs. This is from the book "Blades of Damocles." It's really good.

In all fairness they initially didn’t know what was happening. All they saw was a squad of fellow Ultramarines firing at them, and he was confused as hell as to why. It was only when they realized the fake Marines were holding their weapons weird that the deception was discovered

"lmao, jeff got his ass beat by a fake astartes"

Like a one legged Astartes in a ass kicking contest 🤣

Lucky for him that his genedada is Robotnik Gurlyman and not Angry Ronald.

And yet look how far they've come already

They don't need to worship a fake, dead God that has turned humanity into a cult of supper advanced Germans.

What? They don't have the Emperor or Thunder Warriors as precursors either, forgot that part. Didn't have Chaos send the fake space Marines to savage worlds to build character. They only had space marine cookie cutters, not the elite Custodes hellbent on redemption. From what I hear, one Krieger can take on a dozen of them in close quarters combat with only a shovel and beat at least one to death with glee.🥰❤️‍🔥

​@@jameselliott216even though I'd be somewhat expensive exactly why kriegers should get power shovels

@@arandomsystemglitch2398 Kriegers get POWER shovels?!🤯

I mean they're dumb enough to have a cultural exchange with the drukhari

The sad thing is they probably are.

Fabius Bile: I’m looking for stable employment as a surgeon, here’s my resume Tau: say no more

@@-TheMachineGod- Bile - Meet the Fire Warrior Novus. Instead of trying to make them universal, I just made them unreasonably good at their job. Also, they work for me, not you. You should have done better with that contract.

When you put it like that, it sounds about right.

Unfathomably based

You cant kill me. I can kill me. *Dies with middle finger*

you talk like it was a choice, astartes are genetically programmed to die before they lose their mind... yes yes i know about chaos corruption, thats a different situation all together

Grimpderp if he wasn't a powerful psyker.

Its even better cause he calls them basically cringe and him being a dreadnaught horrified the tau and basically as you said gave them the finger and killed them with sheer willpower. Was such grimdark comedy.

The raptors chapter, AKA the reasonable marines but canon: "really bro? THAT freaked you out?"

Ah yes, the advanced tactics of 41st millenium. Using cover. No wonder the empire is going to shit

They have dabbled in cloning too. Bravesword has been cloned repeatedly. In fact the first clone was born while the original still lived. (Bravestorm at the time didnt know what they were using his tissues samples for.) The clones seem to have some genetic memory as they can pilot Crisis Suits right of the bat but they seem to have different personalities and are aware they are clones.

@@Makorze does cloning count as artificial modification or just replication? Not sure.

@@Makorze «genetic memory» nah, they can straight forward upload shit to the brain. neurochip technology.

@@leonalchamendris4036 in 40K Cloning has a weird effect on the soul and the clone tends to suffer from bad luck in a warp-rated manner. (You could argue this apples to Bladestorm as he has "died" 7 times at this point) The only people who seem to have no soul/warp issue with cloning are the Leagues of Votaan and that is probabbly because of their AI's probably doing something to counteract/negate it. (something like variable mutation so that they are not EXACT clones for example.) NOTE: Cloning shouldn't be confused with Vita-Womb (or VAT grown) subjects. They are usually grown from DNA from two subjects so they are "new" people and have souls.

@@Romir0s None of Farsights men have that tech in them. Farsight does not trust it since the "Puretide Engrams" nearly got Shavastos lobotomized by Aun'Va. (Also its cheating, not earned, skill issue etc. If Farsight had to endure death by VR to become a crisis pilot, he isn't letting others get out of not going through the Trial by Fire.)

​@@NigelAnthonyBrink Those are big pink and purple milkies, totally different.

Lion Johnson: yeah I'm not joining you guys T'au: okay but consider, we can make you a big freaking Gundam whit the head of an actual lion Lion Johnson: (crap, getting to say no is getting difficult)

Tell that to Guilliman

@@zackarysmith1520those are xenos Milkies, however they are not blue, therefor they are totally different.

​​@@zackarysmith1520guilliman at least can trust the Eldar enough, but the Tau are the type of people who spam you to join their side constantly.

and in the golden era of super advanced human technology, which is even further from the tau tech development. Even their armada seem to be outdated compared to other races fleet

I wouldn't be surprised if they just ended up making Spartans instead it would be easier and just as effective.

The Emperor created the Custodes first, and they're superior to everything created afterwards.

@@RichardStrong86 If they're so limited in number that they can't be deployed, then they're not superior in anything other than a soldier to soldier level.

And it took another 10k to make the primaris

The fact the fake-marines managed to wound one of his team at all, is reasonably impressive to be honest.

*In TTS voice* It is I, Cato Sicarius because I am the best and greatest of all because I, am Cato Sicarius.

@@Jormungrandrserpent yeah was looking for the inevitable TTS cato sicarius comment lmao

Deeznuts

tHE gREATEST oF tHEM aLL

Ah, so much plot armour it almost got dubbed as a new mark...

I guess you could say their plot armor Ward(ed) off any unfavorable outcomes.

You're gonna love this, but I do believe it was actually Cato Sicarius' unit as well

To be fair, I think complete and pure sentient Chaos - which has always existed, and will always exist - is a bit more likely to get into the mines of a super Warrior, than some lil bird boi with a blaster.

The warp literally corrupts your SOUL. Chaos marines don't simply have a change of allegiance over beliefs. They fall to chaos because chaos can literally change who you are on a fundamental level and there's nothing you can do to stop it once the process has actually started. Even primarchs can be turned against their will.

It took the Emperor himself 1000 years to create the Astartes. It's no surprise whatsoever that the Tau can't just build their own in under a decade, but the Tau as a whole are already well above the Imperium baseline level of genetics expertise. They can cure both Gene-Stealer infections without killing the host, as well as effectively combatting plagues of Nurgle. Two things to which the Imperium's only answer is flamethrowers.

If they last that long lmao

​@@ZagzerothI have more hopes on the Survival of the Tau's.

dude I'm pretty sure those are the ones he's talking about in the video

​@shinhook2k280 No, the video talks about vat-grown organic space marines. He's talking about robots. Edit: For clarification, the T'au space marines referenced in the video are vat-grown.

@@nerveaxel8164 there's no robot space marines... this guy is referring to these same tau clone marines in the video..

He also realized because the "Marines" were shouldering the bolters before they fired which space marines don't normally do

​​@@shinhook2k280 belive It or not they actually talking about tau robot Made following a salvaged mechanicus attempt to create more advanced power armor,to bad the attempt required way to much "computation"(A.I) so,yeah....

If the stupid ass "haha Gundam humping weeb" joke didn't give away the dude is "a bit" biased to Emperor's Killstealers then idk what would.

Power of Cool means too much to a writer sometimes.

The whole idea of Tau cloning Space Marines is daft if we're being honest, so I'm not surprised if you were to tell me the novel it was in is subpar

humans also have a slight headstart

​@@rory8182and yet the tau have been catching up fast

​@@logancox3308 humans are a shadow of their former self tho

Yeah like the one time they made a genetic desiese to kill the tyranids they adapted of course of but it killed a bunch of them before hand, proving that genetic diseases are a good tactic against the tyranids but really hard to do at the end of the day.

Space Marines are body builder, Tau are femboys

No sneaky deal needed, the Emperor literally ripped Chaos energy from the warp and instilled it into the Primarchs genome to increase their innate psyker abilities. Unfortunately they found out that this would be their undoing

​@@MrLegendseeka There was a deal made. Probably directly with the primarchs themselves before they were created.

@@JohnSmith-j7n *If we take literal daemons of Chaos at their word

Do you know where I can find this

Does it say this or show this?

@@oo-xb6gv Yeah. The Tau Marines were using cover and fighting solely from range, using Bolters like sniper rifles. Meanwhile, the actual marines decided to charge into melee. The copies didn't really have the zeal of the Space Marines and just kinda let it happen. Didn't bring out their own blades and just kept focused on shooting.

@@blackorcking It was in a book, but I don't remember which one. All I remember is that it had Cato Sicarius.

​@@starhammer5247 weren't those robots in the book though?

I legit want a movie about Azek Ahriman 😩

I'm still concerned for it what if they pull a Kathleen Kennedy and abuse loopholes in their contract to superimpose woke agenda

I want one so bad but at the same time I'd rather they didnt make a movie than it being full of woke, transgender and other crap, warhammer is the best fictional universe out there by far and it deserves some perfect execution when it comes to the big screen.

Well just wait for Henry Cavill to finish cooking whatever he is with Amazon for Warhammer, we will either get a Movie or a Series or maybe both

@@2Based23Don’t worry, Henry Cavill got you covered as he is making a Warhammer live action series or maybe movie on Amazon and he is the executive producer if I’m not mistaken.

⁠@@FriedPork-cw5fhremember how the Witcher fucked his views in the show? Amazon is just like Netflix in their desire to change the setting for their own gains, and example to it is LOTR

It's the typical brain dead anti-Tau bias. As always. Just painfully childishly stupid, to the point of even being quite backwards in regards to the tale it's telling, as usual.

What about Necrons

Tyranids?

That is the most essential part of the space marine it is like making a omelette without an egg

having tau also have a space marine-ish type unit is just unoriginal

@@shinhook2k280 yeah, i agree, their whole schtick is that they are weak individuals who compensate their weakness with technology and mechs, they dont need a supersoldier team that is so overused.

T'au super soldiers would be closer to Thunder Warriors of all things, with more focus on pumping them full of drugs and fucking with their brains with the chips they use

@@shinhook2k280 yep for game balance. I was thinking more in terms of how such a society would respond. But that would involve someone in 40k being rational.....

So intersting thing but bear in mind this is from a book so whether its canon is up in the air. Spoilers for the book War of Secrets. So O'Kais was part of Shadowsuns fleet that went through the Startide Nexus and was frozen in statsis as Tau do. However something malfunctioned and while his body was in statsis, his mind was active and the earth caste engineers fed him simluation after simulation until he basically had a plan for everything. They then parked him in a Ghostkeel and he infiltrated a fortress monastry (yeah i know thats a little much but too be fair he got information from a dark angel on how to get in (long story) and most of the chapter was away and it was a chapter that was sort of fuedal. ). Anyways he managed to take out multiple marines and escape though granted alot of that was due to the suit. Regardless its an interesting idea for a tau super soilder thats plays into their strenghts that being their technology. Maybe throw in some nano tech aswell and its got potential

I know it's not what you were talking about but now I want to see how a Nanosuit from Crysis would fare against a space marine. I'm not sure if it would be as protective. More flexible and excellent for special forces definitely. But in terms if protection that can't take all that much considering how quickly they need to recharge under fire. An Astartes might be able to tank way more. Also there are some devastating weapons in 40k that it might just not be as good against. Still a good soldier like Alcatraz might be able to take down an Astartes 1v1 if the games don't fully reflect the in lore abilities of the Nanosuit. But i'm a bit out of the loop on crysis lore. Still would love to see how a fight would play out.

Comparing both "in-lore" versions, yeah, I think it's not even very fair, bc while the SM suit is very good, durable, and give an overall advantage to the user in any way, it can't interface with their entire body directly, while the Crisis one is so good at that, that it's very likely a one-way conversion to being a part of the suit itself, while being also virtually better than the SM suit in any category. (virtually because it can "only" do one advantage at a time, and it's energy dependent, but since both problems can be solved, it still would be better)

@@projectdeveloper9311 I know nothing about Crysis lore, so take this as you will: if the suit needs power to do is thing and it gets taxed holding back bullets, then a space marine could simply lay down heavy fire and blitz. They're fast, clocking something like 50mph (80kph) and strong, and they don't have to pick between, plus lore ceramite can take a lot of punishment. A Terminator would be incredibly one sided I assume because it's weapons are often powered melee.

There's an scp task force who can easily kill some space marines, they're called the samsara and would be a pretty good match against a custodian (and that's in a 1v1).

@@rivencraft1734 Well, the problem here is that "energy" thing about the Crisis suit, bc without external power, it can withstand normal rifle bullets (7.62mm), but with it's "maximum energy" (at least what is shown in the last game) it can withstand a reentry from orbit (around 2000km) basically untouched. All that wording to say that it's a decent piece of armor with an energy shield, so it really boils down to how much energy the suit has at the moment of the battle, but since it can also recharge from thermal energy in the environment (shown in the first game), the battle would be to see how much damage can the SM do to the suit ABOVE what it can defend itself just by absorbing from energy around it, or how long until the SM freezes EVERYTHING around the suit to the point of making liquid nitrogen out of the atmosphere (to be sure it won't just reheat from the environment farther away too fast) The latter would work because it worked in the intro of the third game (If I'm not mistaken) when the caracter was frozen inside the suit and it put him in a coma-like state. Just to be clear about this, I just recently discovered WH40K, so don't expect me to fully understand what an SM chapter can do

If I'm remembering the book correctly, it was only due to surprise. The fake marines were also wearing Ultramarine armor, so when the fight kicked off the real marines were confused and calling out friendly fire instead of fighting back because they thought it was a mistake and didn't want to kill their own.

That would require the Imperium relenting on their "Zero Xeno" policy. The break away Tau would likely be murdered on sight. He would have more chance attempting to integrate into one of the Hive worlds in exchange for a life of servitude to one of the Overlords

@@MrLegendseeka If I understood the video correctly, the guy is a human but made like a Space Marine by the Tau.

@@MrLegendseekaYeah, the video said “human clones”

Canonically the biggest and most influential betrayers in the entire setting. Their treachery is literally the lynch pin origin of the core 40k plotline. SIXTY FOUR published volumes of how they fucked basically EVERYTHING up, because they decided to turn traitor en-mass. "Muh spes marines are soooo loyal, they would never..."

They actually did try to convince a space marine to join the greater good. They tried talking to him, they had a turned commissar talk to him, and when that didn't work they tried to brainwash him. When they looked in his mind all they got was his name and the phrase "you will not break my will" . After a while it turned to "I will do my duty." And that marine then gave himself a double heart attack and killed the 20 tau sifting through his mind. Unfortunately the Tau trying to turn a marine will never work as space marine indoctrination makes them see Xenos as little more than animals. Like dogs.

Grey Knights find common ground with anyone trying to kill demons, so they could work too. Would love to see the tau get a real good look at a custodes though. Just see one on the battlefield and really *understand* the age, the standards, the abilities of this one dude and then be told there's thousands of them.

@@rivencraft1734 that would probably spell disaster becouse while the tau know nothing of geneseed and astartes training the custodes are the peak of genecraft tecnology, if they realize what a custodes can do both mentaly and physicaly and manage by sheer luck to get a custodes corpse or just grab a sample of DNA they could replicate or just unlock who knows how many secrets since in tau society there is no one to prevent study on whatever can give an advantage.

​@@rivencraft1734 the Tau are amazing at displaying how horrifyingly old the humans are in 40k. It's always a joy

@@rivencraft1734Grey knights also turn around and murder anyone in the area afterwards or enslave, neuter and replace the population of that world to prevent secrets or the formation of cults so that alliance would be short lived. But you are right I would love to see the tau reaction to a custodes then the custode to agree with a lot of the tau mindset.

If I remembered correctly it was due to genuine confusion on the ultramarines part. The Tau Marines were armored in scavenged Ultramarine armor and so when they attacked Sicarius tried to subdue one while screaming friendly fire It wasn't until he noticed their silence and battle stance that he realized they weren't true Astartes

Tau weapons tear through Astartes like tissue paper. Frankly the Imperial Guard are a better choice to fight the Tau because your less likely to lose a veteran of a hundred campaigns to some random private who managed to get an Astartes in their iron sights.

Every day there's a new brainless dose of misinformation about the Tau dumped into the internet. It's endlessly tiresome. -_-

​@@UnknownSquid To be fair, we are the Imperium 40000 years in the past, this is the equivalent of anti-Tau propaganda

Oh no a prototype inferior copy that got scrapped after getting dunked on by the real thing

@@Cthulhuwarlord .. i mean them figuring out how to make like their own gene-engineered warriors like astartes...

Would it really make that much of a difference, it's just an attribute.

@@nmr7203 I think we have enough of space marines in 40k

@@shinhook2k280 and they haven’t been used since then as Tau have zero experience genetically engineering anything. It’s a dead end

Tau advance so fast that I think only a hundred years would be enough for them to do some crazy shit.

@@1YCARADOFACAO Modern Humanity went from the bronze age to the contemporary era in 5,000 years or so. With a life expectancy half that of humanity? The T'au actually seem to advance relatively slowly.

Give em a hundred thousand years. they are already extinct and didn't even reach a thousand years

@@thanatos5150 The bronze age isn't even close to the start of modern humans though. The first stone tool use by hominins was over 3 million years ago. The first evidence of modern humans using fire and more complex stone tools dates back 200,000 years. Considering the first encounter with early Tau reported them being on a similar level to stone age humans, having just discovered fire. 6,000 years later, they've got advanced mech suits, near light speed space travel and multiple star systems under their control. Even if current humans could somehow reach that level of technology in a hundred years, Tau would still have advanced way, way faster. Tau reached that level of technology in just 3% of the time, or over 33 times faster than humans. And that's very optimistic for humanity, as I doubt we'd reach even a single of those milestones within a hundred years. Thanks to the writers, the Imperium encountered Tau when they had just surpassed the Imperium's technology in most aspects. If they had gone unnoticed for another 1000 years, they would probably have technology that'd put even Necrons and Eldar to shame.

@@thanatos5150 Didin't the Tau went from the stone age to space age in like 1000 years during a storm of chaos?

Maybe cuz most of them are clones :/ maybe some wonky shit happened if they forced those clones to be space marine

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all imperial tech just reused old human tech so technically while the empire has some better tech things(though I would even argue with that as some things might be more powerful but have so many drawbacks that it becomes less effective) they can't really make them themselfs so loosing some of the cool shit they have is an almost irreplaceable loss.

@Velatus5978 it is more complicated than that. Some tech they cannot replace, most of this is from 30k. Some is older. But most by far is stuff where nobody alive has the skills to make it and/or the necessary facilities are damaged beyond repair. They do develop some new high tier tech, this is mostly via cawl and people like him. Most tech they can still make.

They’re the only “sci if” aesthetic faction. That goes full HAM with Japanese mechs. That’s literally their whole thing, doesn’t mean they’ve gotta be powerful in lore. They just look cool

​@user-rs9bc4qr2s Maybe they don't have to be powerful But they are still a major and important to the lore faction I would love if they got something more

Here's the thing. The dumb Imperium fanboys constantly shit on the Tau and spread inaccurate memes, but in terms of actual lore the Tau are actually kicking ass. Let me be frank when I say that 90% of everything you've ever hear about the Tau in videos like this, is pretty much misinformation and bullshit, or otherwise presented in a way that tries to make the Tau sound lame, but really does no such thing once the schoolboy jeering is taken away. The people making this stuff don't actually read Tau books. They just play an eternal game of "telephone" or "chinese whispers" where they typically start with a real Tau lore excerpt, and then circle jerk trying to make it sound bad until you get the result you see here. Quite often they take even major Tau victories, and then misrepresent the hell out of it, to act like it was a Tau loss. Other times its based on some random quote from an Imperial Commisar, who knows fuck all about the Tau, and is just repeating in-world propoganda. So whilst the galaxy is full of scary horrors, and the Tau naturally have a rough time upon first meeting them, basically every encounter has been a story of the Tau heroically overcoming it and continuing to expand. Vs the Imperium specifically, the Tau are the aggressor, having conquered dozens of Imperial worlds, whilst the Imperium desperately engages in stall tactics and scorched earth, lacking the forces to pull away from other even more desperate fronts. The entire "problem" about the Tau, isn't that they're "a joke". It's that the vast majority of the fanbase has literally never interacted with any first hand source or lore about them, and is about as knowledgeable on them as a hive world urchin is, and with the same degree of naive childish bias too.

@@UnknownSquid True most people don't care about the Tau or their lore and its obvious they don't even try to understand anything about them because of a dumb childish baised against them It's also true that the Tau have more problems than the other factions because the Tau are the canonicaly youngest faction and don't know much as of yet, they have to learn and grow but if Humanity can just get past every obstacles through sheer will and numbers alone than the Tau shouldn't have that many problems, especially because of their scientific advancements and ability to learn and adapt quickly I just generally feel like the Tau are heavily underrepresented and are often thrown curve balls and Games workshops is to afraid of community backlash to do anything with them because the Tau are the most disliked faction for basically no reason

@@_Chaosnight_ Well they're a small faction in terms of their presence and impact on the galactic scene, so I'm not surprised they don't get that much representation from GW. But yeah, as you can tell, the childish way the wider 40k community regards them is what bothers me the most. I'd say that the most under-represented faction is probably the Eldar. They're a very important faction with both enormous amounts of history, and a basically galaxy spanning area of influence and involvement in the setting. And yet you barely see or hear anything at all about them. Though, perhaps it's better to be dismissively ignored, than brainlessly mocked.

Two words - Chaos corruption. Imagine those clones being discovered by Chaos? Woo boi, that would be the Clonus Heresy immediately.

This is impossible as the primarchs were made by the Emperor, other perpetuals, a team of geneticists and still needed to make a deal with all 4 chaos gods to make it happen. The tau have no presence in the Warp, the Chaos gods won't care about them at all... let alone them having perpetuals...

Considering it's something made by the emperor, and alot of the "special sauce" that fundamentally goes into the space marines comes from the primarchs which he needed to get from the chaos gods, I doubt they could ever make any, even now tbh

The thing is geneseed comes from the primarchs and they're also made to be used on humans. So assuming they want to use it on themselves, they would have to figure out how to do that. Its probably more worth it to just focus on their mechs.

Impossible literally impossible for they don't have resources and they would instantly be extinct the moment the Imperium finds out about it and launches a crusade.

@@AdeptKing so think of it this way, they’re not held back by the admech and the wider imperium by keeping gene stocks restricted, they can quite possibly replicate, hell even cloned, they have proven themselves to have the resources to do so

The Emperor made the Primarchs and by extension Geneseed after msking and then breaking a deal with the chaos gods. I doubt the Ethereals or Farsight would want anything to do with them especially after recent events. As for them reverse engineering geneseed... why? The process of making space marines is long,costly snd straight up barbaric. Why go through all that trouble when they can just keep mass producing better battle suits and arm their ground soldiers with weapons that can penetrate SM armor? Hell they can have better results by just keep feeding dead Marines to the Kroot.

And any non-tau species in their Empire ruins that “starving” so they would have to genocide humans, like they did on a few occasions by the way, so no, space marine wouldnt sign up on exterminating his own species on behest of a xeno. Oh in fact Chaos space marines are often even more xenophobic than basic ones, they look down on literally any non-human species as unworthy worms.

Now to be fair, Tau society is the only one in 40K that actually is flourishing. Too bad about the whole mindcontrol and caste thing, but Farsight is fixing that with Khorne's help. :P

​@@The_Keeperyeah by the use of slaves to do their dirty work and expand total control for more planets and Rinse and repeat. You don't win wars by flourishing, but meeting quotas.

Just like every marine cockrider, or Custodes fanboy.