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The Battle of the Fei River & the Former Qin Dynasty (351 - 394)

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GatesOfKilikien

GatesOfKilikien

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The Former Qin Dynasty unified northern China in 376, after which it tried to conquer the Eastern Jin Dynasty in southern China.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:28 Beginnings of Former Qin
3:11 Fu Jian
5:57 Unification of the North
11:26 Southern Preparations
12:48 Leadup to the Battle
16:02 The Battle of the Fei River
21:46 Aftermath of the Battle
References:
Dien, A. E., & Knapp, K. N. (2019). Cambridge History of China: The Six Dynasties, 220-589. Cambridge University Press.
田余庆. (2012). 东晋门阀政治. 北京大学出版社.
万绳楠整理. (2008). 陈寅恪魏晋南北朝史讲演录. 贵州人民出版社.
王仲荦. (2021). 魏晋南北朝史. 上海人民出版社.
Book of Jin
Zizhi Tongjian
Attributions:
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@tieck4408
@tieck4408 Жыл бұрын
With New Zealand, New York, etc I love the sound of "Former London" or "No Longer Tokyo".
@LaggingGames
@LaggingGames Жыл бұрын
New Gates of Kilikien just dropped, we ride
@arielquelme
@arielquelme 3 ай бұрын
How good is he? Im eager to know each youtuber Historians quality of objectiveness and coverage depths
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 10 ай бұрын
What a beatiful video! It's wonderfully narrated and illustrated, and it's sooo interesting and useful to me for learning the rich history of ancient China (which as a westerner I never studied at school), but also for learning about the origins of all the beatiful 成语. As a Chinese learner, I love when you put the chinese characters together with the romanization, as it makes all the names more memorable and it clears up confusion, and in fact I would like you to do it even more often. Great work, keep it up!!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, and glad you've enjoyed the video! There's so much history and culture to talk about, especially stuff that I can translate from Chinese into English, and with each new video I'm experimenting with more ways to include them in the videos without overwhelming the viewers. It's great to hear that you and others have found them helpful.
@cosmicpearl5497
@cosmicpearl5497 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always great to watch, thank you for making these!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciate the support!
@gwnifer3355
@gwnifer3355 5 ай бұрын
Legendary channel explained the most chaotic era of China's history ❤❤❤
@shiddiqhartono
@shiddiqhartono Жыл бұрын
Somehow had same parallel with the fall of Roman Empire, North china act in a way like Western Rome (Barbarians States competing in western rome lands) , while the South somewhat Byzantines doings with still atempting unite the whole Chinese world and restore the old glory but cracked in internal conflicts between political dynasties, history always give some examples to another histories😂
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Yes definitely, the parallels are quite striking. The chaos in northern China is especially reminiscent of Western Europe from the 400s to the rise of the Carolingian Empire. Ultimately the difference between China and the Mediterranean world may have been that the physical distance between northern and southern China was a lot less than that between the western and eastern Mediterranean, so eventually China was able to unify.
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 10 ай бұрын
​​​​@@gatesofkilikienThere's another great difference that breaks the analogy for me, and it's about identity. We always have to remember that, while politically annexed and integrated by Rome, the eastern part of the empire always retained its Greek language and culture (in fact it was Rome that was hellenized after conquering the east). In other words, Rome was not the birthplace of mediterrenean culture like Luoyang or Chang'an have been for China. China is more like if Athens had conquered Rome, instead of the other way around, and had built a fully Greek speaking empire over the Mediterranean. Then the analogy for the five barbarians period would be an invasion from the east (maybe by the Parthians), with the Greek elites fleeing from Athens (=Luoyang) and Sparta towards Rome (=Jiankang) and the less populated western frontiers of the empire (=southern China). Fascinating to think about what a world like this would have looked like... In any case, what I'm saying is that, in some way, the Romans have been the original northern (or western) barbarians all along.
@d.dante_vergil
@d.dante_vergil 3 күн бұрын
​@@valeriobertoncello1809 Top tier stuff right here
@efectovogel8295
@efectovogel8295 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that was fast! Thank you so much for your work, you’re the only one I’ve seen on YT covering in-depth this exciting time period.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes this period is nuts in terms of complexity, but so many interesting stories too.
@TheMissDebyluv
@TheMissDebyluv Жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos. They're always detailed and well made
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@francescofane
@francescofane Жыл бұрын
Cant't wait for the next chapter, nice video!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm working on the next chapter now and there's some quite exciting events to cover!
@RuthlessTragedy
@RuthlessTragedy Жыл бұрын
HELL YAH! Another Gates video! gonna be nice to watch this one and learn so much!. Props for all your hard work as per usual! ^_^
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciate your support!
@coltonvazvazquez1161
@coltonvazvazquez1161 Жыл бұрын
After learning a lot about the Han dynasty and the three kingdoms period. It's Kool finding videos like this 1
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Glad you’ve found it helpful! The Han Dynasty and Three Kingdoms are important periods and great starting points, although there are many other interesting periods too
@syjiang
@syjiang 10 ай бұрын
Great content. One small thing I noticed in this video and a previous one, your pronunciation of nonchalantly is slightly off. Non·cha·lant·ly, the cha is a SHə sound. This word has its origin in old french so do your best french accent 🤣. Keep up the good work
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Glad you've enjoyed the content, and appreciate the heads up!
@hegyesipeter5457
@hegyesipeter5457 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for educating me. As a hungarian I knew nothing about chinese history.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found the info helpful! It's a huge topic that can be intimidating to learn, so hoping to help make it easier for people.
@slomo4672
@slomo4672 Жыл бұрын
五胡十六国 what a confusing period. I grew up in China and immigrated to US after I was grown up. I'm over 60 years old now and only until recently became somewhat familiar with this period. But probably not at your level. I'm 3 minutes into your video and will stop to not get a headache. 😅
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Yes this period is crazy chaotic, and most books just gloss over it. I'm trying to do a chronological series on Ancient/Medieval Chinese history, so want to make sure I don't skip over any time periods, including this.
@user-gq4fy6fh7z
@user-gq4fy6fh7z Жыл бұрын
The former Qin Dynasty was the best country during the Northern and Southern Dynasties, even better than the Jin Dynasty. Fu Jian was also the best emperor. He treated all ethnic groups well, whether it was Han people, Xianbei people, Huns, Qiang people, The taxes in the former Qin Dynasty were also the lowest at that time, and people's lives were much better than those in the Jin Dynasty , his final failure was also Because of too benevolent reasons, although he conquered most of China, he hardly killed the enemy's generals and royal family, but gave them real power and military power. This also led to the fact that these enemies had the strength to betray him in the end. When I was young, I thought that the former Qin Dynasty lost to the Jin Dynasty because of its cruelty. It was not until I really understood the history that it was the opposite. The former Qin Dynasty lost to the Jin Dynasty because of its kindness.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
The Former Qin Dynasty had a lot of contradictions. On one hand Fu Jian was noted to be a very benevolent ruler who treated the common people and his enemies well, which likely contributed to his downfall when the Xianbei and Qiang rebelled. On the other hand though it's hard to see how much of the praise directed towards him was propaganda, and some of the stuff he did (which I didn't include in the video) come across as extreme political posturing. His forced resettlement of his own Di people across northern China was also very emotionally traumatic, and my personal view is that in order to treat people well you have to start by treating the people already close to you well. Benevolent rulers also don't haphazardly launch a one million strong military invasion that almost certainly caused a lot of hardship for his people. With Former Qin there's the additional complexity of whether we can characterize it as an occupying barbarian state or a "native" Chinese state, or both, or if we can really even draw the distinction. With this, too, Fu Jian was quite complex: he's noted for sinicization efforts, but then there were hardly any Han Chinese in his inner circle besides Wang Meng, and the Han Chinese elites of his time, who have their own biases and issues, didn't seem too warm towards him either.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Also, I think you replied a while back, but I was traveling and didn't have good internet access, and now I can't find the comment more, so thought I'd add to the discussion some more: compared to many of the other dynasties around the time period, especially in northern China, the Former Qin Dynasty did have a much more benevolent ruling style, and wasn't as brutal as, say, Northern Wei. Hard to say how things would have turned out for them if the Battle of the Fei River didn't happen, but allowing large numbers of their own tribesmen to be killed off while people like the Xianbei and the Qiang survived certainly wasn't a good survival strategy.
@holeeshi9959
@holeeshi9959 10 ай бұрын
one thing that makes this era exta hard to learn about, Barbarians has zero creativity in naming their kingdoms
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Just wait till we get to the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms ;)
@shinsenshogun900
@shinsenshogun900 10 ай бұрын
The Battle of the Feishui is akin to the Western Roman Battle of the Catalaunian Plains
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 8 ай бұрын
No, the Romans lost this battle and the Goths withdrew
@yashashgc3488
@yashashgc3488 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I love your videos on understanding ancient chinese history but could you please speak more slowly and louder. It would definitely improve the videos. Also, as you mention characters, can you highlight them as you narrate? The spelling does not match the voice and it get's hard to know which character you are talking about.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, and I've noticed too that I've been speaking faster and faster in my more recent videos, and I'm planning to start slowing down in future videos.
@yashashgc3488
@yashashgc3488 Жыл бұрын
@@gatesofkilikien Thanks! I hope your channel grows a lot. Definitely an underserved topic along with Indian history.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
@@yashashgc3488 Thanks, and hopefully as I build on things the channel will grow too. Indian history is fascinating, but it's such a hard topic to delve into. I'm thinking I could start to include some Indian history, especially ancient and medieval Indian history, in future videos
@AssasiCraftYogUscus
@AssasiCraftYogUscus 9 ай бұрын
I want to like this channel it's somewhat nauseating to hear you refer to non Han peoples as barbarians.
@user-hj1jh7qx7o
@user-hj1jh7qx7o 3 ай бұрын
胡人的部落模式相比汉人的门阀来说确实比较原始
@AssasiCraftYogUscus
@AssasiCraftYogUscus 3 ай бұрын
@@user-hj1jh7qx7oNot really, the Han just Sinicized and stole other cultures developments for themselves.
@user-hj1jh7qx7o
@user-hj1jh7qx7o 3 ай бұрын
@@AssasiCraftYogUscus 给你唐完了,没了解清楚就妄下断言,既不学习也不谦虚
@Marvin-bz5qr
@Marvin-bz5qr 2 ай бұрын
@@AssasiCraftYogUscus 窃取了谁?
@snakecalmi5923
@snakecalmi5923 15 күн бұрын
Either you are a barbarian from Asia or you are a barbarian from the West
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