Oh this is awesome I'm happy you testing my machine too or very similar, I got the melitta t-smart TS is just deluxe like.

Oh and the 55ml instead of 60, the machine adjusts it if you change the grind setting. Imo this machine is great price/quality, allthough mine was already replaced under warrantee & the display can give trouble if you keep machine on for long.

You managed also not to include the price in Euros.

Looks like you have a scammer pretending to be you giving away coffee machines

@@jg-uh5xq yeah... I just received one of those... surely it’s not for real!?

That sounds like a sentence that would find itself in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

But, perfect to whom?

The best you ever had is just a memory

@@brendboer6026 as each moment passes it becomes memmory

@@keco185 first thing I thought of too. what a great book.

This must be a scam! He wrote more comments like that and it seems like we both win the same machine.. I’d only trust a verified account

Yeah, us plebs are people too. 😉

@Flexo I second this!

Wonder if the Patreon supporters chose more expensive machines with the knowledge that they make a chance to win these machines.

I've been hard at bay finding a good machine under 1k that actually brews good coffee. Found none. I've just splurged and got the delonghi. For under 1k, just buy a Nespresso machine honestly... you'd be better off.

You nailed the whole Superautomatic ownership experience and why Jura should still be considered the best at it. Only thing I'd add is that Jura are too pricey if your main focus is espresso. You can get as-good espresso with much cheaper Superautomatics. But what Jura does to simplify and automate the milk process, if that's what you want, is a thing of beauty and worth every cent. Also, I reckon these machines make better coffee than two-thirds to three-quarters of Baristas out there.

Yes those are my thoughts on Superauto machines too. Both my son and my son-in-law have more hands on types of coffee makers and although they will generally make a better espresso (it can go badly wrong some times) - its takes an absolute age to get there and then there's all the cleaning up after. By the time you've added some frothy milk though, there's not much difference in the quality of the coffee.

@@Roulandus-le-Fartere Any opinion on where Jura stands vs semi-autos?

I was a happy Jura owner buying Jura E6 when on sale at Costco. Worked great for 6 months then started to not dispense coffee. Would grind and start the brew process but few drops would come out with liquid in the puck container. I ran clean cycle even though not prompted and not helpful. Changed the filter even though not needed. This helped for half a cup then problem returned. I was going to contact Jura but since bought at Costco just cleaned up the machine and returned to Costco. Thanks for the return policy Costco refunded my purchase price. I do not abuse Costco return policy but did not want to deal with sending the machine in for repair. I think 6 months to start failure was not good and I did do all the maintenance required and still have large number of Jura cleaning pucks and few of the filters. If I get the courage I may give them another shot.

Agreed. As someone who has owned espresso machines as well as fully automatic machines.. the ability to get 80% of the experience for 10% of the effort is worth it, especially when you are time limited.

seconded!

Thirded

q .... quadrupled? What is the correct word, guys?

err quintuppled?

My understanding is that all units from a specific series (ECAM, ESAM, etc) the internals are the same (brew unit, boiler, pump, etc). Only the offered features and user interface differ.

it also kicks sand in your face and makes moves on your girlfriend

@@ianwilliams7740 Thanks to that machine I´m sleeping on my parents coach and had to take a second job at McDonald´s to pay for the alimony. For some reason I also have HIV now.

the steam causing that little bit of spill over the side of the cup just added to the comedy, haha. poor little delicate cup of coffee.

seems like a rushed video.

@ 2:19 he states he's not going too much into detail on every machine. Stay Alert Stay Alive

I have a Siemens, makes way better coffee than most other brands that are 2-3x expensiver..

We use the eq9 with single grinder (s700 i think) and the McDonald's Espresso roast. We Love it. Surely not the best quality Coffee but we Love the Taste with the eq9. And what i think is the best Part on the Siemens. She is absolute easy to Handle and cleaning. All parts are ready to build Out and can be cleaned. Most parts in the dishwasher. The Machine can Show when the next cleaning process is expected. All process is with an step by step Manuel in the Machine and in the Manuel. It has an integrated water decalcer. I love this Machine. Its no real Espresso Machine but for us, she is quite perfect

@@robertof.5283 We have the same with the single grinder and I concur, coffee is great, lattes and espressos too, we use very dark roasts though. But the cleaning is so simple on this compared to other machines we've had before, couldn't quite believe how easy it was to clean both the brewing unit and the inside. It's also one of the most quiet machines we had. Heaven!!

Completely agree. We've been using our Z5 for years and only used the milk container once at the very beginning. There is just no argument for filling a container as it needs to be emptied and cleaned afterwards. I'd say it's the right call to sell it separately because even those people using it can just keep one for any future machine.

Agreed. We use ours mainly for espresso and when we want to make some milk drink, we just take a carton of milk out of the fridge and make it. No need to clean anything afterwards :)

My Jura the same I used a screw top jam jar and just made hole in top for silicon tube as I rarely use auto cappuccino program and I can keep jar in fridge when I do between uses 🤣

Agree too. Good not to have to wash another container. Just a little hose.

I agree as well. I’d guess James is thinking of the expense = luxury but most people in this market are busy and the fewer dishes the better.

violent steam finish !🤣

My advice to you is sell more coffee, margins on a cup of coffee are much higher than on anything else in restaurant/gastronomic business

Magnifica S is a legend. I have had it in most of the offices I worked in. Never disapoints, and the coffee is reasonably descent for such cheap machine.

We have a refurbished magnifica S in our house, has made 2700 coffees in 4 years and still working great

in line with french fries ​@@KokkiePiet

what kind of? 85 or 95 please?

Yeah it is a nice machine! Technically Coffee first drinks are more traditionally that of a latte. Cappuccino's are milk first then espresso so that you can a "cap" of foam on top.

Not as good as going to Starbucks though where the professionals make them

When mine finally died it had over 37,000 brew cycles over 17 years.

I've got the Delonghi that's roughly half the price of the one he's reviewing and I'm certain it's exactly the same on the inside. Same touch-screen interface and everything. I love it, and to have him say he likes the coffee means I have not wasted my money. 😄

When my in-laws bought the exact delonghi as in the video they gave me and my wife older delonghi which is at least 7, more like 8 years old (it has over 20000 or so cups of coffee under its belt) . The pucks coming from the machine are as dry as they were when it was new and I was able to dial very tasty coffee from it. I am very impressed by delonghi. My in-laws gave it to us because it had electronic issues and when send to service they told them that to repair it it would cost like half a price of a new one. So they bought the new one. Given it was more or less working they gave it to us and turned out no problems so far occurred and we have it like 6 months. I suspect a solar power plant on my in-laws house is in fault as that might have created instability in the outlets. For final comparison my parents had a Bosh for like 8 years also and that was giving out wet slush instead of pucks for the last 2 years (and what was worse a tasteless brown water instead of coffee) so they (and that is total coincidance) bought the delonghi from the video as well.

Yes! as someone who restored a fair amount of delonghi's; ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SAME INTERNALS. the only main differences being having an extra heating element for automatic steaming models and different design with different recipes. The ecam 21.112b has being going strong with my parents for 5 years now. I recently refurbished it and it still works fine. Only downside to an semi-auto espresso machine is that superauto's get really dirty over time, and this is the case with all machines even if they say they are ''automatic cleaning''

Model?

I have the entry level delonghi etam 29.510.sb (what a mouthful) and the grinder knob looks identical to the delonghi machine featured. I love it, it has had daily use for 3 years and has never missed a beat. Only downside to me is it does waste a lot of water cleaning itself before and after making coffee but it's not the end of the world. Would recommend one for sure.

I can buy any espresso machine. Can't buy the customer service dept. Thank you for sharing the good about this company. May look into Jura.

I keep reading the exact opposite on multiple sites. 🤔 Bad customer service is a deal breaker for me.

@@catguy64 I can only speak from my experience over many years. Jura has given me the best customer service I have ever received for any product, much less for a kitchen appliance. My cleaning service broke the Jura by shoving parts back all incorrectly which jammed the machine (not a simple jam when you forget the grounds hopper which is the typical jam and solved by a sequence of buttons over the phone). Sent it to Jura and the reconditioned it (for a fee that my cleaning service paid for) and fixed it and sent it back - I swear its better than it was new. I bought this about 10 years ago and still going strong!!

2nd - we've had Jura for 15+ years and I have been consistently impressed with their customer service. I've recommended Jura to friends + family and they also have not been disappointed. Would not buy any other machine.

I have a lower level of the Delonghi. Have to second your positive for the container with a plus that it fits in the fridge in the door. Also all the feeding of water, milk, emptying is done from the front which is a huge plus point on the usual kitchen counter where there is other stuff to the sides of the machine and cabinet above it. Have to give it high marks for ergonomics and mechanical useability.

Pppp

Once you go to a machine like a Jura you can never go back.

@@MrFizzarale Not sure about that, my friend has jura and i purchased Delonghi it is no comparison, Delonghi pores much better espresso then jura. I think is depends on what model you get.

@@rimasl.5645 With me having no experience with Delonghi products I cannot speak to their quality. So I cannot embrace this debate as much as I would like.

And how do you cope with unremovable brew unit? From a maintenance perspective it can cost a fortune…

Idk, I tried several Juras (E8 and Z6) recently and really didn't like them. Milk wasn't hot enough and coffee shots were really small even after ajusting all the settings. I bought an Oracle Touch, and it's much, much better. It's not a super automatic though so you still have to rinse parts after.

Hello, I'm interested in this machine as well and was wondering if you have had any issues over the time that you have owned it. I am being put off from purchasing it based on some reviews that said that it dies very quickly. Thank you!

Me too

Agreed I have the Oracle myself which is nigh on the same machine minus the touchscreen and love it to bits so would be interested in seeing James compare that to other machines head to head.

Yep the issue with bulk reviews, is the glossing over the target demographic and brand philosophy.

I had one of those counter mounted Mieles, and I HATED it… it broke down FIVE TIMES in the two years I owned it and the shots it made were average at best… so we just kept using our old Jura instead.

We had a Miele built in and it sucked. got rid of it in a remodel, and now using a manual setup with joy.@@ElZamo92

As a former Miele employee this kind of pains me - one of the smaller and cheaper Miele coffee machines with much smaller footprint would have been nice as a comparison (we had one until Dec23, when we upgraded our 800€ Miele from 207 for an Ascaso Duo Steel PID and a Eureka Mignon Oro). FYI: The coffee machines are one of the few products Miele does not produce itself, but just does the engineering for to let others build it for them (same with their fridges, which are 1:1 Liebherr fridges). Also: Miele does more and more cost cutting, which also seems to impact product longevity. I am not really sure that this is the sustainable way forward for the company

We have a Delonghi Magnifica in the office. We've owned it fully 14 years and we flog it mercilessly without any thought for basic responsible maintenance. A few years back the main motor shorted so we replaced it DIY with used eBay parts DIY. Over the last year, rather than replacing seals or even checking them, we just kept pounding out coffees and ignoring minor leaks as they slowly escalated. Finally the boiler couldn't hold pressure and leaks abounded. We pulled a used boiler from a junk machine we found and it's back in business like new. Such a beast! I think our Delonghi will outlive me!

@@mdgow i hate them too...mine is 10 years old, made 10k coffees. It broke down a few months ago (linkswitch blew up). I spent 4 euros and 2 hours on researching and soldering. Works like a charm again... I WANT a new one, but i cant find a reason!

I would rather take semi auto machine. Feels better to make your own better coffee

@@petervansan1054 maybe you want it, but most people don't. And that's what this video was about. I also use a profitec 500, but for everyone who just wants coffee, DeLonghi is my recommendation.

​@@mdgowmodel?

+1 … Our Jura Impressa S9 has been a workhorse for more than a decade or more. Great strength coffee. .. PS., we luv our Miele appliances D/W, Drier, Washer, Oven etc.

Jim always mucks stuff up.

Yes, the cleaning requirements for Juras when using milk drinks really put me off the brand as a home machine.

@@robinisathakur The Meile is worst by far.

There's a reason every office uses a Jura. Everybody starts by buying a cheaper machine. Then another one when it breaks after 3 months of punishing use. Then, after the second unit also breaks, they understand that it makes more economic sense to get a heavy duty Jura machine that will be good for years.

I'm a Rancilio Silvia guy but I've rarely had time or energy to make lattes with it for a long time. For this reason I bought the Melitta Barista TS a few months back and I love it. Yes, the usability aspect is a bit troublesome but tbh it's not a deal breaker in any way. You get used to the quirks of the machine pretty fast, just like with any machine. The ease of use when compared to a semi-automatic like Silvia is just from another planet. Now I finally have time to get a decent cup of coffee before work. And yes, obviously with a semi-automatic you get to make the exact kind of coffee you need, and you can get your milk scorching hot (which just doesn't happen with this Melitta) but the reality is that I'm now drinking more coffee drinks than ever before and the taste hasn't bothered me even once. The dual hopper system was one of the main reasons I wanted this Melitta and it works fantastically. I do shift work which means my working hours change weekly from day to night to evening. It's a must to be able to get decaf coffee easily and Melitta most certainly offers that. I'm sure there's still some residue coffee powder left in the grinder from the other hopper but if I really really really need to be sure I don't get any caffeine I just run one decaf espresso shot and throw it away. Yes, it's possible to use ground coffee as well and that works just fine but it's still much easier to use beans. Granted I only ever make milk drinks but I have no problems using beans that have been in the hoppers for a few days. The hopper lid is fairly well insulated which helps to keep the beans fresh enough, at least for me. I could've gotten a Jura 8 for cheaper than this Melitta and it's very well possible it would've been better in some ways BUT after watching Jura's product videos it became clear that cleaning the milk system would be a hassle compared to Melitta. Apparently you need to use Jura's own detergent daily to clean the milk system whereas with Melitta you only need to run the automatic steam cleaning everytime you use the milk function (which basically means just attaching the milk tube to the metal grill of the machine and pressing a button a few times), and you need to run the more thorough cleaning with detergent weekly. I also love how the Melitta looks.

£1000 plus is too much. What is best price for a reasonable bean to cup machine ? £300 or more ?

I have the same, the setting for cappuccinos is all the way to the right instead of down the middle for adjusting milk foam. I wonder if that would've made a difference in James' assessment of milk quality, or using regular milk.

@@anthony64632 1000 is actually pretty reasonable. For a good espresso machine you need about 300, for a good grinder aprox 400, that makes 700. Add 300 for making it automatic and you have 1000. When I was low on budget and still wanted tasty coffee I used not-so-bad grinder and moccha pot. In my opinon is the best way to make espresso-like drink at low cost.

@@kuba6344, if I had £1000, then I would go for it . But I don't have it. So what the rock bottom proce for a good bean to cup machine. I have had delomgi manual expresso machine worth £200 ,broke down in 2 years.

@@anthony64632 Which gives the Beko bean to cup a good write up. At £250 .. Beko CEG5301X

miele genuinely makes real good washing machines, drying machines and dishwashers - that's what they're known for... their other products eh.... the super expensive built in coffe machines that cost over 3000 pounds have a reputation of being unable to deliver hot coffe

@@BitmapFrogs so its mostly like 90% of german coffee. I myself have a Miele vacuum and its great, but their coffee machine is probably made for the German market. And Germans drink the worst coffee in Europe. Mind you I’m not talking about specialty/minority run cafes, but the everyday germans place. The coffee there is usually so terrible that you’d rather just drink beer/wine

He didn’t mention the flow control. Is this a feature you use, and how important is it to its performance or capabilities?

The price difference is of course also massive, so no wonder the experience matches that

Agreed. My partner was always buying coffees, sometimes leaving home to go through the Maccas drive through (of all things) because he hated instant, and didn't want to faff about with espresso machines. So armed with just a couple hundred Australian dollarydoos I searched around and found a local appliance wholesaler that also did refurbs and factory seconds - where they had a used Jura ENA Micro 90, pretty banged up on the outside but they cleaned out and replaced the inner parts where necessary to freshen it up. Was previously in a small office lunch room. We've since had it for over 3 years, multiple cups a day and never once missed a beat. Every few weeks it goes through a self clean cycle with fancy little tablets (takes like 20 mins and is all automated), and swap out the water filter a few times a year + hand wash the removable parts.. saved us soooooo much money, I love it

@@MotoCat91 Yeah that's something that's impossible to test on a bench: how long will it keep making good coffee without breaking? That's where the price difference between the Delonghi and Jura will start to make sense, when the swiss made machine soldiers on 10 years after the other one has broken down.

I've had my jura for over 7 years. Never replaced anything. Has always worked and tasted great! I have always used the exact same coffee beans for 7 years *Lavazza* and I noticed it started to taste sour last year. So I watched a KZfaq video on how to disassemble and clean it. It's basically a space ship on the inside and after extreme care of disassembling the very small parts and deep cleaning and soaking components, it's basically brand new again. It's not hard to work on these. Just very small and important parts in there. If anything were to break, parts are expensive and honestly I would maybe just buy a new machine.

​@@coryh9731I have a jura z8. So after you cleaned it the coffee tasted better again? I spoke to jura and if you send it to them they do a total refurb of all internal parts that need replacing for around 400 aud$.

We had a Jura ena 9 have had it for 14 years still going but recently up graded to Jura s8 because we got near new less than a year old been recently service. Anyway I’m in love it has so many features we didn’t have in the older model 🖤☕️

I sell many Juras in my shop in it is interesting that many customers hate the click in milk carafe that so many machines use.

Did you get an opportunity to fiddle with the dose/strength/temp settings and compare it against semi-autos?

New one that came out at the end of 2022 or the older one? I just got the new one and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised. Though it is a bit expensive. Took very little work to get a decent espresso, although I feel there is room for improvement in my settings.

After running a few cycles with the 2022 Accademia I am also surprised how easy it was to get a good tasting drink out of it… I really think the coffee plus or whatever it’s called system (runs two grind cycles) helps a lot with getting out an espresso that really does have the strength / texture of a real espresso. Can’t really ask for much more given the convenience of it. Also I’m just using the beans the machine came with, haven’t even tried anything fresh yet so excited to give that a go

Its true that Jura has the Cooling Units for milk. in 0.6L and 1L sizes. but they also have a small glass alternative that you can put in the fridge, for like 1 or 2 servings. would be nice if that was included with a machine this price without upping the price. since the glass once aren't to expensive. I work in a shop where we sell Jura, and we often include one of these milk containers as a free gift on a purchase.

He already did a comparisson of espresso machines under £100 (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9x9YLukxrqmeZc.html) and under £500 (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ba55eseK3pvTlmg.html).

In general we have quite good prices for machines in Poland. To a degree where (although now with possible export fees may not be so clear-cut) buying one in PL and sending to UK might still end up cheaper than buying in the UK.

I can confirm that. I use saved coffee setups and never the sliders or +- buttons. With the app it's easy to program.

I can also confirm this - straightforward machine with enough configuration to make a good coffee, and easy to clean with reasonably priced occasional maintenance' bits such as seals. Having had a number of different machines over the years I am rather fond of this unassuming small footprint machine that does the job and isn't 'needy'.

Just dropping in a recommendation for Jura ENA 8 which I recently bought and I'm in love with.

Shame about the build quality though. It should be FULL stainless steel, not an ounce of plastic on the exterior. The Breville Oracle Touch, while a slightly different coffee machine is full stainless steel with a plethora of better features. Heck, even a Rocket Apartmentto is cheaper and full stainless steel build. Miele kind of disappointed here to be honest, especially considering that their brand is supposed to be prestigious, hence the price point.

@@LaSombraa that would be nice. The CM5500 offers pretty much the same functionality and uses the same brew unit. I paid around £500 for it so I was perfectly happy with a plastic exterior.

Hello, thanks for this comment. I'm actually very interested in this machine and I was wondering how long you've had it now and if you've had any issues. I've been put off from buying it due to reviews saying that it breaks very quickly. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me!

@Lily Princess worth it

Can’t speak for their coffee machines (and I wouldn’t buy a bean2cup machine) but their kitchen appliances are built like tanks and, in my experience, significantly outlast their cheaper equivalents making them far better value in the long term. Yes, I am a Miele snob 😂

I also can't speak for their coffee machines, but their vacuum cleaners are superb (and more reasonably priced than all their other product ranges). After years of Dysons I'm very glad I switched.

We have also the Melitta as new family automated Barista member. Coming from capsules it was a big step forward and we are very happy. Target was to have two hoppers, because my wife tended to have a smoother coffee, me some stronger notes. In the meantime we use the same coffee from one hopper, daughter some other from the 2nd. We are so pleased with the quality of the brew, the taste of the (speciality) coffee, as well the recipes for the milk drinks. Maybe also to mention, that this machine uses the right (Italian) order of milk vs. coffee (Cappuccino Coffee first, caffè latte milk first). Also the milk system cleaning is a much cleaner process, then the competitors shown, which may push the foam out of the Glass with the shot of steam after the process. The Melitta drains the hot cleaning water into the drain pan. overall we wouldn’t change the machine anymore. I became a real coffee junkie with this.

Wait... did you say Siri can make the coffee?! I didn't know that! I would love to see that!

@@oceanaxim yup , you can save custom settings to a Siri action

Can you please share your settings, Ive just purchased. Z10, havent set it up yet, we drink lattes & caps. thank you :)

I’ve enjoyed having a Jura bean to cup machine for over 20 yrs. My 13 yr old machine just broke. Since I don’t really drink cold brews, I just ordered the J8 (2022 model) that was recently released in the US. The grind is adjustable manually, but the program suggests the grind to set the machine for each type of coffee. It is 1K USD less than the Z10.

How is the voice assistant helpfull if you have to go to the kitchen anyway or there is an option to acquire an electromechanical cup dispenser that can speed up the coffee delivery process? Otherwise, I don't see any productivity gain if you still have to put a cup into the coffee machine yourself, so that you have a nice touchscreen in front of your mug, I mean face.

True cold brew takes 12 hours+ cold brew is a grossly underestimated and undervalued and perhaps not understood subject, maybe dare I say it, even by james...

@@revoltoff what is it, 12, 15, 20 or more hours? I think the point is that makes a pretty good cold press coffee. You can dislike the terminology, but as you stated yourself, the requirements on time are variable. Also, the definition of “brewed”means it was boiled or steeped in boiling liquid, so I think cold “brew” as a definition isn’t accurate as-is.