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The car isn't even that much heavier than it's competitors.

I’ve got a 2019 HC Charger, beast. The best thing. They are soooooo over built that 900 whp is doable all day with bolt ons and a good time.

@@TheUsmc0802 but these cars arent durable am i right ?? most of the sports cars are like that

@@johnbravo1317 they specifically engineered/built it to be a reliable powerhouse machine.

Yeah me trying to measure how long my feat (in mm) is and how much a british pound weight and calculate that to Newton meter is confusing

I find km/L easier to understand

Ian J, it's about the definition: fuel consumption is in Volume per Distance. Otherwise it's kinda specific range.

Or ft-lb for us in straya

Always keep a calculator handy while watching here.

Well to be fair close to 25mpg is confirmed from these Hemis if you can stay outta the pedal (good luck), and considering a V6 ford ecoboost realisticallly gets mpgs in the low 20s I'd say that's a good sign

gopherchucks, lol.

The 2.5L I-4 in a Subaru STi only gets 23 mpg while only making 300 hp and 290 ft-lbs of torque, so 22 mpg for 707 hp is not bad at all.

yeah but did you buy it for economy, that was the point not that it was good for what it is.

Epotheros Subaru makes flat-4 not I-4

Your reply is the exact reason I left shelbys amd went with a `22 charger hcwb. It truly is a fam muscle car. My 8yo loves it. Next year they will be gone. I’m glad a decided not to wait. Getting a 23 will mostly be very hard and orders will fill up quicker than they did for the 22`s.

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Damn what a dream car! I live in Germany and would love a high powered American car, but unfortunately they are all incredibly expensive, even the base models without much power since they are very exotic here. They have to be imported from the USA and go to very special and strict registration process and they need quite a few parts changed to be road legal in Germany/Europe. This makes them 50%-100% more expensive then in the USA.. Even messed up worktrucks with a V8 cost at least 10k even rusted and with 250k miles and clapped out bushings etc. The us car market is very unfortunate here :( The problem is that you don’t get the euro cars cheaper, BMWs etc are way more expensive then in the USA if you look at the factory pricing, don’t ask me why.. I have a V8 it’s my Mercedes 500SL R129 Roadster from 1989 which is also very cool and I love driving it! But I still desire an fast American car and would swap them in a heartbeat. Also I have two bmw e36 with the amazing inline six engine and manual transmission. Those are amazingly fast and nimble cars who feel amazing in corners and on the track and are very lightweight thats why I love them and wouldn’t give them away! Bit since the US cars are the complete opposite, power cruisers with great comfort, but unbelievably high hp numbers and that always fascinated me a lot and I dream about such a car :) Have fun with your Hellcat! I really envy you and wish one day to at least have a drive in one, even if it’s the passenger site I’d be fine. Enjoy your weekend and best regards from Germany :)

@rolux4853 I understand your point. I lived in Germany for 4 years and really enjoyed all the autobahn's. wish i had the hellcat then! Your roads are amazing! I lived south of Frankfurt in geissen. I used to drive alot to Heidelberg and Ramstein. Seen a lot of beautiful cars in Germany.

Corey McGuire I agree.

Cummins! Let's see some diesel love.

agreed

*Murica*

love the 12v, the 7.3L powerstroke is also a great engine minus constant glow plug issues( on my fourth set of plugs and 5 relays)

glooozo I hope this gets all the votes, that engine is just something else. That noise.

Series are about best engines.........

Should definitely touch on the VW 2.5L 5cyl that this was based off of as well.

glooozo didnt car throttle talk about that?

Or volvo 5 cylinder

Gte? Got to watch the NA ones, I've heard some came with weak rods. Was it the non VVTI?

William Nash much less reliable

I certainly wouldn't argue that. But the 2J has been an Iconic engine ever since it reached US shores. There wouldn't be so many 2J swaps otherwise.

William Nash completely agree. 2JZ still out performs so many engines today and it’s 27 years old!

William Nash You know they’re only iconic w/moon boost right? The motor itself n/a form doesn’t turn heads lol

Probably not a candidate for "the best engines" series

And some dry white toast please

Its closer to 392

@@antoineroquentin2297 She threw a rod.

Crankwalk hasn't been actual problem after Evo4.

Evo 4 was produced until 1998, which is incidentally the same year DSM ceased to exist.

A quick google search revealed that crankwalk seems to only be an issue with DSM produced 4G63s particularly on the 2G platform, almost as if the fault lies with DSM's manufacturing and not the design itself. It was never an issue in European or Asian models.

Ok you could buy models with older versions of 4G63 but I meant that it had been fixed from 4G63.

That’s pretty good considering my 5.7 Police Pursuit Charger with the 5.7 and AWD is getting around 30 mpg on the hwy cruising 20 average.

Oh yeah.

needtoknow204 agreed. It's a fantastic engine!

Yes it would

22 mpg highway isn't bad at all

Hasty Hemi Yet it’s still slow hummmmm

KEVIN MANSFIELD Slow for a production car?? I don’t think so! 😂

KEVIN MANSFIELD 0-60 in 3.4 seconds is pretty slow if your driving a spaceship I guess...

What an engine!

oh yeah!

$375k for an LFA. $75k for a Hellcat. I'm just not impressed how great an engine is if the car costs more than $150k. It sure as hell better be great!

Thanks!

This! Beat me to it

They sound a bit weird though because of this. I have a Comp Pack M6 Coupe and it sounds more like a muffled A45/GLA45/CLA45 than a V8 on cold start...

For reals. That zit is not adding subs!

That's a great question! I wouldn't rule out full reviews completely; I've reviewed the Subaru STI Type RA, Corvette Z06, and Kia Stinger this year. But generally speaking, I'd prefer to do a feature video and talk about specific technology, as there's 40 reviews on every model out there, and less people are doing deep dives on interesting innovations on vehicles.

Understandable. As for reviews like the ones you mentioned, I love to hear YOUR opinion though, despite the fact that there are 40 reviews on other models out there. Was hoping to see your POV on the Mustang GT, Gti, LC500 and now this Hellcat and I noticed you had only features videos on them.

Ethan Meister the older naturally aspirated engines is good but the newer ones ...

The old BMW straight 6's were great. I had one. Though honestly, in so many ways, some of they're new ones are better. The Turbo 6 that my fam has is just better. The 4 pot turbos are 4 pot turbos there isnt much to say about them. And the the new V8's aren't as cool as the one in the old M3, but they're better than almost every other old BMW V8.

nipplemilk Network yes it's called the hellcrate

Jarod Kelly wow lol

Yes. But I’d recommend LS swappers it.

Bartonovich52 not very original though

these things DO need to lose some serious weight

Mohammed Ali VK*

this isn't 2001

C H its still one of the best rated and awarded engines, they still use it today in a lot of Nissan's/Infinitis

It's well past its prime. It was great about 20 years ago though

As soon as you say BMW, it can't be helped.

Daniyar Venom as i consider parts, availability, serviceability, reliability as some of my criteria, that's a no.

2jz is nothing special, its fame comes from being one of the first engines to exploited turbos which back in the 90's wasn't understood so people falsely equated its hp number to the engine, end of the day its a 3.0L that weighs 600lbs (LS1 is 425lbs) the deck is not that strong and if you magnafluxed any of those high hp blocks you'd see stress cracks, the heads don't flow anything special, low red line because of a heavy long stoke crank, and even though its forged the rods are still thiner then any of the forged muscle car engines from the 60's.

I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name. It's about more than just numbers like that. The 2j is an inline six when most were going to v6, its a well balanced engine that thrives in the higher rpms. Rods may be thinner but that doesn't make them weaker, is the metal the same? Never heard that the deck was weak. The low red line is not the engine, but the ECM unable to keep up. All the same it is a great engine, although a bit heavy.

Im not saying its bad, but its a cultural icon that doesn't necessarily make it a great engine, kinda like the small block Chevy was for 50 yeas even though just about every other GM v8 was a better engine Buick,Pontiac,Oldsmobile,Cadillac big and small block were almost all better engineered but chevy got the love . Same with 2jz most iron block engine can make those numbers if you gave it the same attention (except for a few duds) Not to mention 2jz cars were never fast for there power until recently.

the LTG 2.0L is GM's best engine in many areas, its a aluminum block that can handle 750hp on stock sleeves which is far stronger then any aluminum LS engines. Forged crank/rods, oil squirter on the pistons, duel stage oil pump to keep correct presser under a wide load range, VVT, direct injection, its even been test up to 9,700rpm on stock lifters, im not even getting to half of its crazy features

You mean Opel's

Yeah, everything I read about it is impressive

Exactly what i thought

lol..I was thinking the same thing.

Yeah - 2 million hours must be simulated. I don't even see them making 1000 engines for testing purposes - that's just not realistic.

Eric Fontaine it's actually very realistic, testing of that nature is not only done to prove reliability but also to make sure they don't spend unnecessary money on building them.

Jay Dunbar As a physicist I understand far better than most WHY the testing is done. But making 1,000 engines to test and destroy when only 30,000 or so will ever be made is ridiculously wasteful. In fact, it is likely that the entire Hellcat program is losing money...

GreyC5 there was a few that did it on t.v. they swapped it into an old dart. It was really hard with all the computers.

Steven Johnson so it's possible. But it would most likely be extremely expensive and a custom job? I'm fine with that lol

Most people do LS swap because it is cheap, light and compacts. Also can get alot of HP without much work.

Sher Nematzhonov Which I completely understand. I was just curious I'd like to see more people trying different options and creating something new then following everyone else. I love my LS engine though

Someone swapped a hellcat engine into a Prius. Search for it, there's a couple of drag pulls out on KZfaq.

You mean gt350 right?

True Street Racing Society Yeah sorry, I meant the Trinity engine found in the gt500. Thanks for the correction.

GlassTopRX7 Yes, that’s true. I just confused the engine with the previous generation.

True Street Racing Society it's voodoo

GlassTopRX7 not a voodoo new codename is predator for the gt500 motor

More options in the marketplace....... read......... competition benefits everyone. I for one do not like supporting unions so if I had 75K to toss away I wouldn't buy either, I have other options and those options have to compete with whatever the organized parasites (UAW) churn out.

Wait, you want to take the last-of-its-kind true muscle car, put it through diet camp, and make it more like... Camaro or Mustang - a sports car? Nah thanks, I'll take fat, heavy, big Challenger over the two any day of the week. The last good-for-straight-sprints-only muscle car of American industry - it should stay just the way it is. If it ever rivals Camaro / Mustang in cornering agility, it'll be a sad day for American car history, when the last true muscle car died. And I'll cry because I couldn't get one before they were destroyed by green terrorism / sports car kids.

Basic utilitarian design for performance cars, all useless weight needs to go, and Dodge's have a LOT of useless weight considering they are several hundred pounds heavier than their competitors. That said the real reason the Hellcat/Challenger/whatever will not lose weight is likely the existence of the ACR.

AkarZaephyr bro I have a 392 daytona charger and yeah I drive a boat but no other car roars or give me a feeling that the car is alive like a hemi, the chug the burball sound of it is all so beautiful and rare now a days so you're right man never would trade my hemi

AKlover The charger and challenger are getting a refresh around 2020-2022 and will be riding on the same platform as the alfa Romeo Julia which should help them shed around 300-400 pounds

hackfreehvac its actually a good thing, less stress on components and in general better reliability with bigger displacement engine

Also fords engine torque comes from turbocharger.. And dodge has supercharger whoch doesn't really affect torque curve

You’re also comparing an engine from a half a million dollar car compared to a $70k dollar car let’s have Chrysler make a half a million dollar car and see how well the gt stands up to it

angel ortuno they did in 04.... The me412 which was theoretically capable of 248mph with 7-speed sequential shift trans, it got cancelled for some reason probably cost (it was almost all carbon fiber) or the germans that owned chrysler at the time were pissed that the americans pulled off a better car than the flagship slr in only 18 months, from a simple idea to a full fledged prototype

I wouldn't be surprised if dodge soon comes out with a viper that's just as powerful as the demon to kill the new corvette and the Ford gt and then a new challenger that they will probably call just "hell" or "demon readeye" with over 1k horses to the wheels. Those mfs are crazy and they have proven to have no limits.

Lets not. This topic has been beat to death. Tesla is faster in the quarter mile, Dodge is faster in the half mile.

:( mybad

Both heavy boats one is the future the other is a legend of the past in the present

It is fueled by bald eagle piss and jack daniels.

or 13B REW (FD RX-7)

thertcw isn't that inferior?

Flavia Pitariu I think it is inferior. As RX-8's Renesis doesnt have Turbo with it but produce slightly lower horsepower than RX-7's

RX-8's Renesis was Best engine winner.. should be featured

madrx2 the Hellcat/Demon are benchmark cars imo. They are being compared to 300k+ cars which is amazing considering the demon is less than 90k and the Hellcat is starting to drop into the 40k range

Brian c6 zo6 is faster in a straight line. But I guess it's much lighter.

The engine is special because you have a WARRANTY for over 700 horsepower out of the factory (800 for the demon). Think about that for a minute, you can beat on this engine for 5 years or 60K miles and you are covered if the engine blows up. Anyone can build a high horsepower engine, but how many can build it with a warranty of 5 year/60K miles?

Sean F That doesn't seem to make people sit up. They'd rather blow their block and pay thru the nose to have someone rebuild it.

The hell cat is a big car. It's really not meant to compete with the vette or the camaro the viper was though. Viper was a beast with that 8.4 liter v10. The 6.2 liter corvette needs a supercharger to match it. I'am a big corvette fan but the viper deserves cred