New upload on the second channel also! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJqklbxj3c60dmQ.html

I love that you're into the competitive scene so you actually get what needs to be done to get the best possible settings and setup for competitive.

TL;DW: Play on low settings and enable reflex boost if available.

Jeez this man is getting more swole

1. More frames = better 2. Maxing out your GPU is bad. 2.1. If you're maxing out your GPU, ultra low latency, or reflex will help reduce the penalty. 3. Framelimiter can be set to a value your GPU can comfortably maintain, improving consistency and avoiding maxing out the GPU. (4. With G-sync you'll want to limit the FPS to your refresh rate, or ideally slightly below to avoid tearing from running _above_ your g-sync range.)

Mate, just props to you! This channel is awesome! So much info, so many practical tips here + the asthetics. Greetings from Germany! No time to play and build a gaming rig rn, but man, I have found so much inspiration here for when the time finally comes to build my own rig! Much appreciated!

you are legitimately the only channel I've ever listened to. I undervolted my 5600x + 3070 setup and couldn't be happier with the performance. keep it up

oh heck yea. the entire reason i built a computer was for competitive shooters. Love that your channel is touching on this

Interesting that the framerate cap looks to be the best method, as long as you have sufficient GPU power to cap it at a high enough FPS. The results at 6:09 is especially interesting with the capped lower frames having lower input lag even though the higher frame tests didn't come close to maxing GPU usage.

As a programmer seeing NULL threw me off. "Card + Nothing? Isn't that the first one?", I asked myself.

I’m somewhat amazed that ”battlenonsense” is always abcent from the comments in these types of videos ...he’s the frickin god almighty when it comes to latency etc.

You could also use to show results with adaptive sync/frame cap, and add CSGO to the chart. ;)

One of the few Tech Reviewers that's actually cracked LOL!

Would love to see a behind the scenes of how you hooked the mouse up!

Great video, would've loved to seen the differences with vsync, gysnc, and freesync as well.

Thank you for being a tech channel that gives Apex love! It's the reason why I subbed to you so long ago!!

Hey @Optimum Tech I was curious if you have ever heard of a software called Timer Resolution? It is suppose to change windows timings from default 15.625 ms to the set 0.5 ms which decreases input latency (when set up correctly). With this on in game, the user is suppose to turn off raw input. It does feel like my inputs are more responsive and immediate but, I am not sure if it is just placebo or it actually works. I am also not really sure how to test this nor do I have the equipment to test it. This has really peaked my curiosity and I was hoping for some help.

Your comparison with facts and practical application is definitely something I look forward to all my life when judging anything tech related. Great channel & all the best!

the SFF gods have blessed up with a double upload in a day

So from my understanding, the best way to use all your hertz (given you can reach it) cap the fps at your refresh rate along with turning on low latency, and if you can't reach say, 360fps with 360hz, then cap it at a reachable number like maybe 240fps to get less latency.

Wow I have a 3070 and this makes me feel good af I’m glad I went with this over a 20 series

When you used a frame cap, were you leaving reflex on or off? I'm curious because for example the 3070 results in Valorant at 6:08 show an fps cap being superior despite 60fps less, and gpu usage being very low in all cases. Yet reflex/boost latency was higher still. This has me wondering if enabling reflex/boost in an fps capped CPU bound scenario could slightly increase latency? vs fps cap + no reflex.

Nice lil bonus for setting a frame rate cap can sometimes yield lower temps. My gpu was pushing up to 79C w/ unlocked frame rate. I set a cap of 118 (my LG C9 can only do 120hz) and that dropped my temps to 70-72C.

What about adding Gsync or Freesync to the mix? How much latency does Gsync add?

one thing good about reflex is the low input lag even with big fps drops helped alot when in certain fights i would go from say 240fps to 130fps

Great video! You should make a video about network and internet settings to address internet latency which is the other big killer for online gaming.

I could have a thousand frames and 0 ping and I'd still be silver

Thank u big man tech wizard. I will eat a raw egg in your honor.

LOVED THE INTRO

2 uploads in one day? Thanks Ali!

It’s all about the GPU basically an where the Input of the monitor stands from the Calibration of the CPU and how much every GB of Ram can produce an entire class of Frames overall Well done mate I’ve learned a lot when I watch your videos 😅😊

great information. exactly the type of videos that need to be out there and how input lag is so critical

What if you cap the framerate and use reflex boost or any anti-lag solution at the same time? Would it matter?

I have so much input lag on valorant I can't even hit a shift walking guy with awp

Always love to wake up to your videos on the way to work !

Great analysis. I had no idea reflex takes precedent over NULL if you have both on, great information to know 👍

I allways used these settings. It makes gaming so much smoother.

So if i play CSGO only, ultra latency mode off/on/ultra? Which is the correct answer? Trying to find it out for a while now.

literanlly dude! when i clicked on the video.. and when it popped up and when your face showed up You looked like mark zukerbarg

Can you test the input lag on AMD card too? I think AMD also has its own latency reduction implementation on driver level

Would be great to see a 21:9 vs 16:9 Video again but with the newer tech. So is 21:9 with 160hz better than 16:9 with 240hz for FPS games? Two years ago you talked about a nearly unfair advantage of the wider field of view while you just called everything above 144hz a very small advantage. But tech changed and you are more experienced now.

Would have liked to see with G-sync enabled, would the results be the same as an fps cap?

EPIC INTRO!! are those 3d rendered??

Thank you, I learned something new today!

i cap my fps at 280 in overwatch with reflex + boost. I have a 2060 and 144 hz monitor. Should i disable and reflex + boost and just leave it capped? It seems like capped is best according to this video. I cap at 280 cause its pretty stable, and i heard that unstable framerate can cause variable input lag which can affect aim.

You didn't touch on Vsync on or off as well as VRR.

Thanks for the detailed testing. Good stuff.

Great video, Would love to see the difference for input lag of mouse + keyboard between plugging to monitor and PC

sad fact : Apex Legends is smoother with 190fps cap vs uncapped

What about if you have a frame cap and enable reflex / NUUL?

Great video this is info that the masses need to know. Thank You 😊 On a side note love the monitor. What model is it?

I thought you was Zuckerberg for a second

You should make productivity videos. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that you make this amazing production videos, are pretty good at competitive games and also swole af. Do you even sleep

PLEASE with your input latency testing setup test borderless windowed vs full screen in todays games in 2022, like Apex, Valorant, Rocket League, etc. I’ve heard mixed reviews and would like it put to the test FOR SCIENCE! Keep up the awesome content. This channel has single handedly inspired me to dial in my rig settings and peripheral choices and get back into shooters and feel competitive in them again. Thanks from the USA!

GREAT VIDEOS. Quick question about input lag: 1- mice to monitor like "odyssey g7 240hz" VS 2- Mice to Computer USB3 port. Which one have less input lag? 1 or 2 in 2022. Is it true Mice to Monitor have best result and less input lag? (i do not talk about reponse time and keyboard, only input lag.)

I love your channel it’s very useful for things I find i need often.

I tried capping my frames in BF4 after i saw Battlenonsense's video and the game just feels so much smoother. I use the powersaving tool in Radeon software and have set my min frames to 142 and max frames to 144. Night and day difference.

Would've been interesting to test a Windows 10 Exclusive Fullscreen fix as well (Windows broke this feature years ago.. you need a registry fix for it as well as enabling "Disable Fullscreen optimizations" enabled for it to work. This decreases the Input Lag M.A.S.S.I.V.E.L.Y for me..)

I always cap frame rate. Consistency is more important to me than raw highest fps. Your eyes and hands prefer consistency over time and train themselves based on it. I'd much rather see my frame rate hold a solid 120 than constantly vary from 120 to 150 and back down, or hold a solid 165 than to shoot up to 200 and back down over and over.

Two questions, with framed cap, do you mean having reflex boost off? Also, what about camping and having reflex boost on?

I have a suggestion for a video: Full Tower vs Mid Tower - have full tower case manufacturers lost the plot? There are a huge number of"mid tower" cases which can fit three or more 360mm radiators at the same time. But if you look at "full tower" cases, which are supposed to be bigger, nearly all of those are designed for only 360mm radiators as well - at most they seem to offer one 420mm radiator slot, and even if they say they have multiple slots for 420mm radiators, when you check, they DON'T have the room to have more than one installed at a time! If mid towers are 120mm fan based, going up to 360mm radiators, then surely, by logic, the reason to pay the extra to go to full tower is to switch to quieter and more efficient 140mm fan based systems which can hold three 420mm radiators at the same time? If full tower doesn’t give full 140mm fan and multiple simultaneous 420mm radiator support (at least 3 at the same time), in the same way that mid towers already give full 120mm fan and multiple 360mm radiator support, then what’s the point in them even existing? Why would anyone buy them? Is it that much of an ask for get case manufacturers to add a couple more centimetres of room to fit these in so enthusiasts can have a zero thermal throttling solution to their overclocking top end thread ripper CPU and GPU custom water loops?

I just realized yesterday that Nvidia's overlay was causing 3 layers of input lag; desktop capture and the streaming option. Turn them off! Even if you're not streaming, make sure you get them off in the options.

Anyone notice how his head always tilts to the right?

Im missing the drawback here. If Low Latency Mode is good, why isnt it default? Whats the difference between on and ultra?

Becoming battlenonsense, bravo!

Cool but how do I reduce brain latency though

great explanation! great video! thanks

Awesome video man, thank you for your work and for sharing :)

what so capping framerate reduces input lag? I've always been told the opposite

Really interested in hearing.. did you cap the FPS in the driver or in the game when testing? I’ve heard input lag should be lower when doing it at driver level.

Which one is recommended for limiting the frame rate? The in-game framelimiter or the GPU framelimiter? Thanks

thanks a bunch for the content

This video mentions nothing about Vsync, FreeSync, GSync, Enhanced Sync or FastSync though. Low input lag is nice, but not if you have tearing

I like how you give links for GPU's as if they're widely available

basically, play on lowest settings and cap your fps (to your monitor refresh rate)

What about 1440p?

For a long time I've wondered if g-sync affects the input lag from when you start moving the mouse to when things happen on screen. I'd like to have the Razer viper ultimate compared to the g pro ultralight in four ways. One way with both in the wireless mode and second a second time with the cable attached. With and without g-sync to see if there is any difference in latency using g-sync and wireless/cable.

You just shattered the whole life of the “csgo at 400fps or nothing” people

Appreciate the time spent testing and the info. Lets say you play PUBG at 300FPS with GPU usage at less than 50%, so not much latency reduction can be had. Does turning ON the Low Latency mode add input lag?

Love your vids, bro

Such an underrated channel.

Yes, now I can get near instant reflexes in the single player games I enjoy like RDR2.

I use reflex and RTSS frame cap 4fps below sync (140fps in my case), gsync no vsync and this works best for me to have no tearing, flat frame times and best input lag. Reflex boost just sets power to maximum and I see no difference there. If you have a powerful card, I also recommend running DLDSR if running your game in low quality or performance modes (aka Fortnite) and this upscales and provides nice AA if DLSS is not available in performance modes.

Interesting! So maxing out GPU utilization increases the latency. Frame rate cap for the win!? Keep 'em coming! :))

Overwatch also has a native setting called "reduced buffering". You should have included it in your test since it probably overlaps/conflicts with those driver settings.

important detail, caping framerate from outside the game will result "always" in more input lag, than a good in game limiter / reflex, and it should be avoided when possible

Amazing video bro!

And if you set low latency to ON instead of ULTRA?

It would be very interesting to use that tool to measure latency in cloud gaming like shadow or geforce now

Actually, some games turning low settings get you no extra FPS gains. The message is more so take whatever setting is higher in FPS. If going from high to low only nets 1 fps...then probably just stay on high

your channel is super blessed and dope. ty my friend

Awesome videos man!!!

Keep in mind people that these benchmarks are best-case senario. Everything impacts input lag, down to the timings and frequency of your RAM. This guy has a 10900k (very fast CPU) and extremely quick RAM. Just keep that in mind!

I think, in competitive gaming, ping is most important. In 100ms ping, you won’t feel your high end pc against an enemy with an old pc and 60hz monitor, with 40ms ping. Ping gives the smoothness of enemy’s movement than pc’s horsepower. If the enemy is significantly higher ping than you, you would see the enemy first and in slow motion- very smooth. Other way around movement is jittery, hard to hit target. However it is true that pc’s horsepower gives smoothness to everything in the game except players in multiplayer games.

I know this really isnt relevent to the vid (a great vid) but do you think jumping from 60hz to 240 could offer significant in game improvement, rn I plan on getting a Benq coming from an old 60hz small tv/monitor and was wondering if it really changes your gameplay

huge props to the testing

How to reduce input lag: be faster

He said "valorant ,cs ,over watch " and uses apex settings 👏🏻

What about nvidia reflex + boost with framerate cap? Would that give less input lagg then just framerate capping?

Really nice vid! I have RTX 2070 super and 240hz fhd monitor, I play Valorant, what option is better? Ultra and enable reflex? Boost or not? Lock fps? Can you help me?