The Best Off Road RC Racing Motors and ESCs

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@temosgarage 6 ай бұрын

What do you recommend using to upgrade a brushed Traxxas E-Maxx to brushless? I have the dual brushed motor E-Maxx and want to go brushless. Nothing crazy, want more speed.

@wolf16731 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a Tekin guy through and through when it comes to electronics. I've never had their esc pop on me. Over the last 10 years I've had quite a few and all are still running to this day, including a 1st gen Tekin RS that has been running a mix of 13.5T to 8.5T in 2wd sct since 2010. I've also had 3 RX8's, gen1 and 2 gen3's, all still kicking. Servos I'm not sure of, but I'm putting my money where my mouth is and running all Tekin servos in my NB48 2.0 this year. So far I like what I see in them, but we will see what happens.

@tjazz5696 4 жыл бұрын

Tekin's 1/10 ESCs are fantastic. I have 2 RS Pro Black Editions, 1 with a Tekin Spec-R 13.5, and the other with a Fantom Icon Torque 17.5. Not lacking speed, only skill...Great videos! Keep em coming.

@zackriden79 2 жыл бұрын

how do i know what motor to run in sportsman or stock class in 1/10 buggy is it 13.5 or what I dont understand what to buy

@bobedibob3084 2 жыл бұрын

would a tekin pro 2 3500kv and a hw xr8 pro on 3s fit in a tekno et410 if you relocate the receiver?

@TroyShahanMusic 4 жыл бұрын

I have run both hobby wing, and Tekin setups in my SCT 410.3 at my local indoor clay track. The Tekin setup has gobs of power over the Hobbywing. If you drive with a lot of finesse, you can win with the hobby wing though, because they’re both overpowered. The RX8 GEN 3 ESC is excellent. The hot wire with the phone app is great. I can’t say enough about Tekin.

@outerzonerc777 2 жыл бұрын

Are you running the motor on the short course truck sensored with that combo?

@johnmiller4553 4 жыл бұрын

YOU SOLD ME ONDA ET48.3 n TEKIN GEN3 2000kv FOR MY ET 48.3. BUT I DID GEN3 COMBO WENT ALL TEKIN . LOVE THEM. THANK YOU AGAIN MARK FOR HOOK ME ON THE TEKNO ET.48.3 n TEKIN AND GETTN ME BACK INTO RCs AGAIN. 🤙🤙🤙 ALTHOUGH MY 2 W’s DONT THANK YOU. THAT WOLD BE MY WIFE n MY WALLET 😂😂😂😂 ET 48.3 IS BY FAR TE BEST RC I EVER OWNED. WELL, SO FAR. THANKS AGAIN, BY FAR MSM IS MY FAVORITE KZfaq CHANNEL ALSO.... TAKE CARE 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙

@ricksprings 4 жыл бұрын

Yep! Los Angeles county has stopped raining finally...2 weeks ago couldn't even drive rc cars while staying at home

@johnnykat21 4 жыл бұрын

Kind of an off and on the subject question. What motor and ESC are you using for your REVO conversion. I did the concern my 2.5r using a goolrc 3800kv and ESC and it moves. But worried it won’t hold up to the weight of the truck for long.

@jamandy78 4 жыл бұрын

what is your recommendation for a starting point on gearing a SCT?

@RcOffroad9513 3 жыл бұрын

I want to try a tekin 2050, or 1900kv, I have used GoolRc sensored and sensorless, ZTW, SMC, and Hobbywing. I like the hobbywing 1900kv, but it seems to lack raw power for bigger tracks?

@yaboobaker Жыл бұрын

Which Tekin motor would you choose for mugen Mbx6 eco ? I already have a tekin gen2 esc. Any thoughts would be appreciated

@Homemadefood_44 3 жыл бұрын

Hi there what size tekin motor you think I should run in my vxl rustler

@corybright1403 4 жыл бұрын

I'm running a tazer v2 6-pole motor/esc combo by horizon in my two drive rustler I live in goshen Indiana and I don't know were to run it at is there anyway u can tell me how to make it faster I'm running a 2s battery

@zeljkogagic2551 2 жыл бұрын

What is better, hobbywing ezrun 4274 or another so tekin?

@rcjer6473 4 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy I'm getting my eb484 here in a week or two. If I'm going to run the 2050kv Tekin motor should I roll with the xr8 hobbywing ESC. Thanks for all your awesome videos

@Dannyd135 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark I have a 1/10 4x4 buggy I’ve installed a hobbywing max 10sct motor and esc combo I’m running a 2s 100 c lipo I’ve been playing with the gearing but this thing is not quick it hits about 24mph on the straight away on the track it’s not fast enough can you help

@grim3892 4 жыл бұрын

Which motor do you run in the E revo?

@matthewsalinas9964 4 жыл бұрын

What is the Tekin motor you use for the sct?

@rubengomez1021 2 жыл бұрын

What would you suggest putting in a 2wd rustler

@MikelangeloPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

I've had phenomenal service from Hobbywing... they've replaced a burned out 1/8th scale ESC replaced within a week (twice)... they were great.

@nismoskyline06 4 жыл бұрын

Hobbywing is my favorite I’ve never had a problem.

@CodyDylan-pt2kh 2 жыл бұрын

Just got into the rc hobby , I was looking at the dynamite tazer 3300kv motor and esc , What’s your opinion on it?

@GentlemaniacMetanoian Жыл бұрын

Most of the guys at my local track run 1900kv for their e buggies. Difference between a 1900 v a 2050 huge?

@wildcardjoker 4 жыл бұрын

I have tekin combination on my B64 runs great and program right on esc I had a hobbywing XR10 in a B6 git the wall and separated the esc and had no problem with with communication with them. Used their exchange program and got it right away. Run 90% hobbywing esc but really like the tekin.

@expediterfromgeorgia7981 Ай бұрын

Can I run a sensored motor on a sidewinder 4 esc that doesn’t have the sensor wire?

@kevinperry5458 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ,, I needed to know this ,, building a new Tekno buggy !! Thanks for all your time and effort 🙏

@leeroyexcavator9149 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks looking for motor opinions. We don't have any local off-road tracks anymore just some oval tracks looking for a motor that would best suit that running in a b6 or t6.

@sadmancho 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark great video I run the RX8 Gen 3 esc in my TLR buggy and it has been working great. I think it’s a good improvement over the Gen 2.

@jasonvicars226 4 жыл бұрын

Ran Tekin ESC's in the 90's! Also used there BC67 charger! Have an RS from around 08'. Had problems with it from day one!😞 I miss Novak!

@nismoskyline06 4 жыл бұрын

I used to run a Novak in my T3 stadium truck brings back memories.

@SexyBeast29 3 жыл бұрын

Kabayan ano ba ok na motor para sa crawler

@puyolramirez4477 4 жыл бұрын

Mark what model of Tekin motor can you use for the Traxxas Maxx?

@bluexlotus585 3 жыл бұрын

What do you suggest running in a 1/8 losi 8ight-e buggy

@jonesy3002 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think of the castle creations 1512 1800kv race motor with mamba x esc ?

@lilgrom1166 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you this helps out so much I’m building my tekno eb410.2 and I have no idea what to our inside of it I just finished it and now I’m looking for electronics.

@StonedRambo01 2 жыл бұрын

I just got a Duratrax Evader ST for free on craigslist. 1/10th scale stadium truck. I'm looking to convert it and see if it can compete at some level but not sure if it's possible being over 20 years old lol. What motor and electronics would you recommend?? Looking for around 40-45mph and controllable

@davidakerman79 4 жыл бұрын

Mark I appreciate your honest opinion on products bro👍🏻

@skaargan 3 жыл бұрын

Hi mark, i see lots of people go for 1900kv, why do u choose the 2050kv over the 1900kv? Is it because of smoother and higher top end?

@robgorman6672 2 жыл бұрын

Hobby wing basically says go kick rocks every time I’ve ever had an issue

@jamiehackney8309 Жыл бұрын

Which one fit a team associated rat trophy? I’m new

@Spilchen 4 жыл бұрын

"I'm not gonna say it! *Says it* ahha 😂

@williamgaines6823 Жыл бұрын

How did u get into racing professionally? Can u give any advice to someone who would like to do it? Please 🙏 lemme know.

@Twentyfoursilver 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your opinion Mark ! I appreciate it .👊

@pedrot1152 Жыл бұрын

Wondering if this is still the best choice? Or something else came up over the last 2y...thoughts?

@pole_barn_builder 4 жыл бұрын

Novak made the best ESCs. Too bad they went out of bussiness. Still run one in my B5M!

@leeroyexcavator9149 3 жыл бұрын

I have a old novak rooster esc. Looks like it just came out of the box. Barely used. Got on a trade in a lightly used xxxt losi. Don't use it it's a shelf queen.

@roberttruesdell6151 3 жыл бұрын

The Novak ESCs I ran were Cyclones and Atoms. They were the crème de la crème back then. And Trinity motors. Untouchable combos.

@robertruiz5417 5 ай бұрын

Long live. Rc.

@dynasty4851 4 жыл бұрын

The links in your description is the best I've ever seen.🤜👍

@RcModwerks23 4 жыл бұрын

Great video , subbed!! 👍👍

@MatrixRC 4 жыл бұрын

Hobbywing got me on the upgrade program. Bought a max8 unopened wanted to upgrade and I sent the max8 back to pay retail for the Max6. If I knew I was going to pay retail I would have just bought it. They still not sending my max8 esc back. Like Drake said "I'm upset!"

@aaronharper8274 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Revo 3.3 and I just rebuilt the fuel tank because the engine wasn’t priming. Currently it still won’t prime but cranks fine and I just had the engine running not long ago. Tried everything but can’t find an answer and I need help. Knowing that Revos are your favorite and you’re constantly getting them, I figured you’d be my best shot! :) Thanks and have a good day!

@joellofquist2537 4 жыл бұрын

Aaron Harper if you pull the exhaust line off and the carb line blow through the exhaust line and see if your not clogged may be small debris in the tank ... also check you header for a good seal and check the muffler for clogging maybe try and clean it if it’s dirty!

@aaronharper8274 4 жыл бұрын

joel lofquist without the fuel line on the tank fuel would go through just fine. I cleaned the lines and the hole in the cap but it still didn’t move. I put a slightly longer exhaust line on and the spring off the cap of the tank and the fuel seems to flow better now. I had the stock tuned the carb but it was too rich and I just got it started so hopefully its good now.

@joellofquist2537 4 жыл бұрын

Aaron Harper glad you figured it out if you have any other questions you can come back to this comment I’ve got a 2.5 revo with a new 3.3 on the shelf waiting for better weather

@aaronharper8274 4 жыл бұрын

joel lofquist exactly what I’ve been waiting for. It’s been hot the last few days but I live in Ohio so who knows lol

@jeffbryner5355 4 жыл бұрын

In Oklahoma most people run hobbywing esc and hobby wing, and team power products motors.

@christopherlastname7638 4 жыл бұрын

I have been running hobbywing for 15 years they use to be one of the cheapest esc made they have whent up over the years but still the best for the money! I just ordered a hobbywing max 6 brand new for 169.00 try and find a better 8s esc for cheaper you can't!

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Last Name yes! I ran hobbywing back in the day when the were the “cheap” option. They caught on now... hahaha

@Andrew-hh3ol 3 жыл бұрын

I need a insanely reliable sensorless esc or sensorless/sensored combo for my 1/10 4wd monster mud truck that I’ll be running on a track soon

@herec0mestr0ble 4 жыл бұрын

Had a 160 pro go out back in 2018. Just had to go through a few emails, sent it in and had a new one back with 2 weeks. Guess everyone gets a different experience....

@Matt-xy6cf 3 жыл бұрын

I'm still have a Gen 1 rx8 running great. Then i have 15 other Rx8's up to Gen 3. I had a few problems with 2 of them before i started applying logics and using spongy esc double side tape that Kyosho sells its like suspension for your ESC. At worst u can take case apart and run some high temp gasket maker underneath chipset . It literally is nice when u apply logics . Lot better amperage on the tekin as well and the hotwire settings are nice to have with tekin. That motor literally hates that it has a hobby wing pushing it.

@never-stock-rc2968 3 жыл бұрын

Mark what is the best motor esc upgrade for the e revo 2.0? Thanks man! Channel rocks as per usual!!!

@HighhScore 4 жыл бұрын

Quick question. I have a rock Rey 1/10 with a castle 1415 motor in it paired with a sidewinder 4 and the thing keeps frying the wires. The motor doesn’t get hot and the esc only gets hot at the bullet connectors. Is this normal for this size motor?

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

that usually means something doesnt have good connection. When this happened to me in the past I would have to replace my battery connectors.

@HighhScore 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reply! Really appreciate the info. Has it ever come down to the bullet connector itself being the issue?

@SneakersAnonymousMatt 4 жыл бұрын

They are the best man I def agree with u on that

@payscue189 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark, I just noticed in this video the kv for buggy and truggy. Why 2050 for buggy and 2k for truggy.. why not the 1900 for buggy and 2250 for truggy?

@10izamar Ай бұрын

Good day RC friends, does anyone know why I use 3s with this hobbywing 2200kv combo and an XR8PRO ESC Are the batteries lasting 3 minutes? My batteries are 8000mah 80c 3s but they last 3 minutes or less. Is the ESC being protected from something? The motor says in the manual that it is 2 to 6s. and the ESC from 2 to 4s But with 3s batteries I have not been able to make the batteries last more than 3 minutes. if someone could help me😢

@Leo-ly2pm 4 жыл бұрын

Which esc and motor would you recommend for a Traxxas Xmaxx 8s.

@tropicthunderbolt 3 жыл бұрын

Max6 esc with a Castle 800kv.

@stevenwallman2346 2 жыл бұрын

That is interesting information on the motors. But, more importantly, who sent you candy with your order?

@smjr9798 4 жыл бұрын

I’m new to the rc world. Love Traxxas and arrma. Have slash 4x4 and Ford Fiesta upgrade on both. Have the arrma kraton 6s it’s a beast. Looking to buy track buggy or truggy but don’t know which one is better don’t care about the maintenance on it. What brand and nitro or electric?

@baggszilla 4 жыл бұрын

You had to order from Beach RC although I didn't see there printed tape on the package but they always throw candy in every order it's the best!

@MrTotiyoma 4 жыл бұрын

Does the sensor of the hobbywing esc works at 100% with the tekin motor ? Because it's not working with every sensor motor

@Crewchief227 4 жыл бұрын

I asked this very question yesterday, and Mark made a video today, yet didn't answer it. I just switched from an RX8G2 to XR8+, run the same 4030 2050kv motor in my buggy as Mark does. 🤷‍♂️

@justins6465 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think it can only with hobbywing motors supposedly

@silas_rc3669 2 жыл бұрын

i need to get a good moter and for my 8ight rebild

@z-netics9732 3 жыл бұрын

Hey bud. Need advice. I have a tt-02. Moved to brushless. Having trouble finding the right esc and brushless motor combo. Going for top end speed. I'm looking at a 5200 kv with 120 amp esc. Help me out bro.....I don't have a electronic sponsor either. Lmao 🤣

@grimthenoble 4 жыл бұрын

I run Leopard motor and GoolRC Esc.. best combo out there!

@nismoskyline06 4 жыл бұрын

Both Leopard and Gool Rc make some great motors and very inexpensive.

@dannywalker6279 3 жыл бұрын

Wete u get them at

@robertwernsing4566 3 жыл бұрын

Great mancave

@cloane85 3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate this video. There is actually nothing out there like this one currently and this helps. I would like to hear a deeper breakdown of your thoughts. Basically you have one price point and one scale (1/8th) that you had an opinion on. I am really curious what your opinion for 1/10th scale would be, and what you would recommend at various price points. You look like you have lots of experience (judging by your garage lol). So I would like your take on 1/10th scale as well. But hey, maybe you don't even use 1/10th I don't know. Still, I really appreciate the info. I was into this hobby couple decades ago and just got back into it! Loving it so far. Wanting to spend more but I need info like this before I pull the trigger so I'm not disappointed with my rig. Thank you again!

@johnmiller4553 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark Can I Ask What RECV’R You Use In Your ET48.3 🤙🤙🤙

@ChuckTownRC51 3 жыл бұрын

What about Castle?

@in4bliss 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Are you still using the Tekin 2050kv? The most common I've seen is 1900kv (for 1/8 scale buggy) down here in South Florida. I was wondering why it's your preferred kv. Guessing you run on bigger tracks maybe? I'm just getting back into the game after 10 years lol! I'm wanting to try your combo of HW and Tekin but guys down here are telling me to go with a 1900kv. Thumbs up and subbed bro! Congrats on the 50k+ subs! Lol I have a channel too for the last couple of years. Mainly for quadcopter fpv but dang, I'm just barely past 600 subs. It's a hard road I know so I'm glad to see someone succeed! Especially a fellow pinoy!

@gonehuntn3261 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Santa Maria, do you mess with the armatures, or do you run those motors as they come?

@slp2538 4 жыл бұрын

So it's not just me with hobbywing! love Tekin though!!!

@bradyknowzbest1149 2 жыл бұрын

After way to much money spent over the years i find that for 1/8 off road racing, orion and tekin are king for motors, as for esc, i have found hobbywing, tekin, and lrp are best in that order in my opinion. Orion has a great esc as well but i dont include it as they arent worth the money. Ill add that i got a gen 3 rx8 esc about 8 months ago and its been doing great, waaay better then the past Gen's.

@ricklewis7033 3 жыл бұрын

Mark I’m moving back to Canada from Belize and I’m looking for the new Losi Baha Rey 2.0 and I’m having a hard time finding a place to purchase however your collection has me looking at Traxxas. A recommendation on a traxxas stadium truck that is around the same size would be greatly appreciated. Love watching your videos

@DLAdventures2 4 жыл бұрын

How did you decide on a 2050 and 2000 instead of 1900 that I have seen other using at the track? Too many things to figure out when getting into the hobby, and I am not even racing, just being the pit crew for my son.

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

2050 or 1900 will work just fine however gearing might just be a little different. When i first started racing ebuggy 2050 was the motor to run in my area. Neither of them are a wrong decision. I run 2050 because thats what i am comfortable with. It might be more of a mental thing.... hahaha

@DLAdventures2 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Santa Maria Thanks for the reply!

@kirkmurray5431 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark what are some of your sponsors ? & have you ever ben out to California for a race ?

@frankies-1389 4 жыл бұрын

Candy along with the shipment!! Beach RC?

@danielcmulhernjr2082 4 жыл бұрын

You have time clean that Garage up!!!

@Mr1stlevel 2 жыл бұрын

i have good experiances with hobby wing one time they sent me a hat and stickers when i had a defective esc

@mjsrcs3725 3 жыл бұрын

What would you recommend for an Xmaxx with max6 esc ps love the channel 👍👍👍

@redblue40rc33 3 жыл бұрын

1650 kv motor..hobby wing, mite have to upgrade motor mount....motor is huge in diameter...I have the setup in my hobao 7tq nitro conversion to brushless..lol...spins tires like nothing😎

@locopoppy 3 жыл бұрын

Hobby Wing all the way.

@hondofourfivetwo9347 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been racing a lot longer than HW or even Castle have existed I started with Novak (because that’s all their was) & then Tekin then back to Novak (because Tekin was out of business for a bit) I tried LRP that was my first brushes esc good stuff till they left the U.S market picked up a couple early Novak brushless ESC’s the high end one’s were hit n miss currently I use Castle ESC’s for my brasher RC’s like my SCX10 & Losi SCTE and Tekin for my race stuff like my Associated B6.1 & TC7.2

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

Hondo fourfivetwo hahaha! When i first started racing i ran Novak. I used to run the cheap Novak Havocs.

@extrazero1593 4 жыл бұрын

Hondo fourfivetwo I use Castle electronics, and have not yet tried Tekin. May I ask why you don't find Castle to be race worthy? Not in defence of Castle; I'm just curious what is better about Tekin for racing.

@codybrownsworth7447 4 жыл бұрын

I am hobbywing all the way

@thecman26 4 жыл бұрын

You are correct, Tekin customer service is legit!

@Hittin2thabass 4 жыл бұрын

You say obviously not running castle creations. Why is that? I want a mamba monster X esc and the 2200kv motor for my e revo.

@ST-0056 4 жыл бұрын

Steven Adams great for bashing but not as good for racing.

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

Steven Adams +1 they are bashing electronics. When it comes to sensored applications, they fall behind.

@boatrc6350 4 жыл бұрын

@@MarkSantaMaria Castle makes sensored motors now. They have now for a few years. I've ran Castle products in my truggies for years. Ton of power and very reliable! No issues! But, I've never ran the others.. easy for me to be bias but Castle is the way to go. I've seen other racers have issues with Hobbywing and Tekin. Just my 2 cent...

@MarkSantaMaria 4 жыл бұрын

@@boatrc6350 To be fair, I ran castle in my short course a LONG time ago. Maybe the new stuff is better. I ran a Mamba Max Pro. You really dont see many Castle Creation guys in the pits at big races.

@boatrc6350 4 жыл бұрын

@@MarkSantaMaria yep you're right. Funny, I asked a Castle rep about that not long ago. He explained that they got out of sponsoring racers for now. He said they may reconsider down the road. The Mamba Max Pro was before me, I started with the Mamba Monster 2, then I went to the Mamba Monster X when the sensored systems came out. I do remember being told at the time that the two ESCs were vastly better than the previous models like the mamba Max Pro. I've had zero issues with the mamba Monster X so far, so I'm pleased. I actually have the power dialed down to 80% and I'm still able to come around other truggies on the straight! It would be interesting to see the big three in a shootout. Maybe that could be your next vid! :-)

@nighttrain66 4 жыл бұрын

Great way to stay neutral while describing Tekin and HobbyWing (while giving a ‘wink’ to Tekin). 👍

@WreckinStreetsDaily 3 жыл бұрын

Castle is ass I had one for about a year started bugging out and isn't compatible with various motors

@tlfbshti364 4 жыл бұрын

I gotta disagree Mark, I love HW 1/10 ESCs but their 1/8 Scale speedos feel like they have absolutely zero torque off the line/getting out of corners... I ended up swapping out the xr8 sct in my sct410.3 for an xr10 pro 160a G2! It's a totally different truck now. I highly recommend you try out that combo! Not to mention, HW has been amazing to me in the CS department: they've warrentied stuff that was past warranty, and given me both free replacements and 50% off a new replacement in different situations. I've never had the run around from them..

@williamgaines6823 Жыл бұрын

Great channel. Please explain to me how u get sponsored. I live jersey and there aren't an competitions around. I would greatly appreciate it if u put me on to game. Thx

@jasondunn6223 3 жыл бұрын

Ok fellas, ive got plenty of bashers, ive never owned a nice 4wd buggy and i want to step into one..we have a nice track setup in my back yard..i dont race but it gets pretty competitive at my track with at least 25 to 30 guys at any given time..we run just about everything...my question is what motor setup for a buggy that wont be officially raced so no restrictions..i just want a bad mofo...and im sure alot of the guys that run my track will follow suit..

@stevemdelacruz5602 3 жыл бұрын

Why do folks get upset about the electrics a fellow uses?

@h.w.m.306 4 жыл бұрын

In Dubai you get fined if you leave without a valid reason(300 dollar fine), only three people per car otherwise another fine(700 dollars) and you have to go out with a mask. Plus there's a curfew from 8pm to 6am

@victoriasaniga4286 2 жыл бұрын

i wanna vouch for your comment about HW customer service i had the max 10 sct set up for couple month i fried the esc and NO HELP!!! i broke down and baught a used tekin gen 3 and broke a terminal off so i contacted an paid for the trade up an so far so good

@cre8ivfun 4 жыл бұрын

One thing hobbywing esc is not good for top speed (for street cars) castle esc is prob one of the best for top speed

@robbryan3044 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I've also bad bad...VERY BAD...experiences with HW customer/tech support. They so so friggin' arrogant, acting as if they know everything, and you know nothing. I even had one call where the person hung up on me. He had asked a question, and, while I was in the middle of answering it, he interrupted me (which I don't like), and asked me something else, which I quickly answered. Then, he asked me the previous question again, and, while attempting to answer it a second time, he interrupted me again. When he asked the question a third time, I told him, "If you'd quite interrupting me, I'd be able to answer. You've already asked me twice, and both times I was in the middle of answering, when you interrupted me." His response was to simply say, "Fine"...then, he hung up on me. Since also getting into crawlers, I've been running Castle ESCs (Mamba X), and CC's customer/tech support is OUTSTANDING.