The BEST Way to Install a Valley!
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Күн бұрынDid you know there are 3 main ways of installing a valley on a shingle roof? How do you know which one is the best one? Are all of them approved by shingle manufacturers?
Watch this video to find out! I’ll show you the 3 different installation methods, then watch to the end to see which one is my favorite.
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0:00 Intro
0:50 Open Valley
6:56 Cut Valley
11:42 Woven Valley
14:25 what is the best valley for your roof?
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@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Let me know which of these 3 methods is your favorite to install!
@EstateFlip Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video!!! Thank you!!! :D
@pastblaster3285 9 ай бұрын
Open valley .....
@ahmedsaleh4363 Ай бұрын
ام كمال 😅😅😊😊@@EstateFlip
@tonesmith909 3 ай бұрын
Such an awesome technique for installing that open valley, negating the need to cut shingles!
@RoofRepairSpecialist 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
It's great that you give these videos because some people just can't afford a new roof.some people can do it themselves with the use of these videos
@rawilliams5881 Ай бұрын
That's me. My menopausal butt is going up the ladder.
@MaMa-qh4dy Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Thank you. I like open valley with copper.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Copper Valley, thats nice!
@MrMattDat 11 ай бұрын
Great video and will definitely help me with some roof modifications I need to do!
@RoofRepairSpecialist 11 ай бұрын
Right on!
@terrydarden6165 10 ай бұрын
That valley installation is amazing and confusing. I am planning on having a new roof installed. This give me information to work with and questions to ask. Great videos.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ToufikToufik-qe2gw Жыл бұрын
Oui, merci Maître pour toutes les choses. Merci beaucoup.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Sorry, dont understand. But thank you for watching anyway
@mendoza59nm-76 5 ай бұрын
Good work thanks for sharing this video I live around the corner from you guys
@RoofRepairSpecialist 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@timbrown9305 Жыл бұрын
This video should have a lot of likes... nice exposure to the possibilities.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@wwearmandoma 6 ай бұрын
Great presentation. Very educational. Thank you
@RoofRepairSpecialist 6 ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@mkhan6536 4 ай бұрын
Thank you , a great video, I subscribed right away. good luck
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
Your work looks great
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@timmclaughlin1787 Жыл бұрын
Hey this is a great video very well done I wish the valleys were longer but to do 3 types impressive. The cut valley wins for me.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Agree
@treymanning1077 3 ай бұрын
I agree with your analysis Good Video
@RoofRepairSpecialist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@jogpe.quintana9909 5 ай бұрын
Excelent information You Are Number # 1
@RoofRepairSpecialist 5 ай бұрын
Many many thanks
@phil-spinelli Ай бұрын
well back in the day, when mostly 3 tabs were used, I'm put metal in the valley and weave the valley. that it the best, other then that metal in the valley and closed is awesome too. Great Video btw!
@RoofRepairSpecialist Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@slydog7131 2 ай бұрын
Good video. I saw one video about a particular valley in which a woven pattern was used. The reason is that the valley didn't join two roofs perpendicular to each other but instead the roofs merged with about a 20-degree angle. The thought was that a cut valley in that case would fail.
@bobchastek2306 Жыл бұрын
Nice. We use the cut method
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Good choice
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
I've been roofing for well over 30 years been a good trade
@tonymessinajr 3 ай бұрын
this was one of the finest videos I have ever seen... your details were clear and understandable and now I CAN'T WAIT TO DO MY ROOF... this helps me understand more clearly what the job is all about.... if I do the cut valley, do I use tin to line the valley before I put the paper, or after?
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
Great video bro at least the old 3 tabs are gone and people can more easily wrap there head around arcutectual shingles
@Badenhawk Ай бұрын
Your videos have helped me so much! Thanks a ton! Fortunately I had a hipped roof but i was curious what doing a valley would look like. Seems like open valley is more diy friendly. Cut valley seemed a little less diy friendly but very doable. Woven seems like it would be easy to make it look messy for someone just learning this.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Ай бұрын
Great to hear! Best of luck with your project
@renurenovationsllc7780 Жыл бұрын
Quite a few manufactures spec sheets I have seen actually do not include woven as an approved option valley on architectural shingles. GAF specifically says not allowed. I know MALARKEY LEGACY, which is a thicker shingle, specifies that it does not allow woven. As far a open valleys go, my roofing supplier has all the metal roof colors, which is somewhere in the 30’s, I think anything can be matched.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Ya, I dont think I've ever done a woven valley, but makes sence especially with thicker shingles.
@eastside0434 Жыл бұрын
A valley that doesn't leak would be the best valley.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
100% the best Roof is the one that doesn’t leak. Aesthetics is secondary in roofing
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
I also like a space for water flow in valley and around skylights exc
@benshelton43 8 ай бұрын
Great vid. Gotta say I like the woven valley. It looks like art. I sell it to customers as a mark of a roofer's signature skill. But that said, the cut valley does look crisp. Got no use for a metal valley.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 8 ай бұрын
All of them work. I think it’s opinion and what your used to. Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas
@johnnyrocket9372 Жыл бұрын
I am not a roofer in trade. When i replaced my parents roof about 6ish years ago in the valleies i ran ice and water shield, then a strip of 24" alum flashing, then i did a cut valley. I did this because growing up almost every year they had a different roofer come out to work on leaking in the valleies above an addition they had built. I dont know if its right, but it is not leaking.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
If it’s not leaking it’s right.
@dl9173 4 ай бұрын
I'm doing my own roof. I'm using the atlas storm master shake shingles. I live near Detroit michigan. I have a 4/12 pitch going in to a 2/12 pitch. What valley method would you recommend for this ?
@Kyle-ys3cv Ай бұрын
No “Hey, great video.” No “thanks in advance for any input.” Just a demand for someone’s time, no niceties. Gotta love it…shocked you didn’t get a response.
@compositesquare 11 ай бұрын
With a cut valley, how close, and how far, should the cut valley seam, be from the valley? I just had my roof redone two days ago. My cut valley seam, seems esthetically, too far from the valley. It looks like it works. It looks like if them seam was closer to the valley, it would look nicer.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 11 ай бұрын
I would look to see what the manufacturer recommends depending on the type of shingle installed. However I would say anywhere from directly center or a 1” offset. I think direct center looks nicer, however having it offset would allow for better water flow
@MrRandysrod11 Жыл бұрын
Do we need to install any metal flashing going down the valley if we are doing the cut method? Or is it safe to do it over felt?
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Just do it over felt, if you want to be safe out a roll of ice and water shield
@cesarmartinez3582 23 күн бұрын
Where can I buy it . Great job
@ToufikToufik-qe2gw Жыл бұрын
OK merci
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
No problem
@briansuchoski4266 10 ай бұрын
What about a "cricket"? Can I use one of these methods, along with ice and snow shield?
@RoofRepairSpecialist 10 ай бұрын
Yes, though I prefer metal crickets, galvanized
@quantaviouswimbley1959 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. So the woven valley. Would that be the easiest way to do the valley? Also would you recommend putting roofing cement under the shingles in the woven valley?
@RoofRepairSpecialist 11 ай бұрын
Good question. I don’t think one is easier then the other. As far as mastic, it won’t hurt, but i always default to following manufacturer instructions
@natto_4 9 ай бұрын
Don't weave architectural/composition shingles. You should only weave the bottom one or two at most. Most manufacturers will not approve the weave for installation practice
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
I've been putting down time lately not much shingles and was not planned that way just by luck
@rudykirsh9113 Ай бұрын
I like the woven valleys best. Then cut valley..
@ThrowbackPassions Жыл бұрын
6" step back from the starter strip
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
?
@kevinoshea9125 8 ай бұрын
2nd method: did you trim each valley end of the course of shingles on the upper pitch? If you photographed straight down at the valley, we could get a better look!!
@RoofRepairSpecialist 8 ай бұрын
Yes
@rudykirsh9113 10 ай бұрын
I LIKE THE WOVEN VALLEY THE BEST. THEY SEEM TO WORK BEST WHEN THE OTHERS FAIL.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 10 ай бұрын
A differing opinion I like it. I can’t say it’s a wrong way of doing it
@KidFreshie 11 ай бұрын
At 2:16 you started to "install your first row of shingles." But then at 3:06 that shingle is gone. What happened? Did you mess up and you weren't supposed to put that first row of shingles down yet?
@RoofRepairSpecialist 11 ай бұрын
Correct, that was a mistake. Thanks for paying stock close attention
@KidFreshie 11 ай бұрын
@@RoofRepairSpecialist Ah ok, Thanks for clarifying. Love your videos.
@terrydarden6165 10 ай бұрын
Do you have a company you can recommend in the Atlanta GA area?
@RoofRepairSpecialist 10 ай бұрын
No, you can check out directorii.com
@danielcook4377 Жыл бұрын
Is it better to start from shingling the valley first than outwards?
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
No, always better to start from a straight end. A gable or a wall
@danielcook4377 Жыл бұрын
What about on a hip roof
@denverscott37 8 ай бұрын
If you're right handed, yes, start at the left and work your way towards the right, absolutely you can start shingling the valley first, makes no difference. You could run straight up the middle and shingle both ways if you wanted to, I wouldn't do that because I hate shingling right to left, but absolutely that can be done.
@relaxwithclancy1073 3 ай бұрын
So my observation about the 1st method is dependent on how hard it rains I think water will seep up under the shingles that are laid over the valley flashing. I could be wrong but that’s my observation.
@relaxwithclancy1073 3 ай бұрын
Don’t get me wrong now…great content I am not criticizing your content just the 1st method that’s my observation.
@slydog7131 2 ай бұрын
Same case could be made for a cut valley.
@JohnSmith-gu6hf 4 ай бұрын
Why wouldnt you flip the row that sits aligned with the flashing such that it is a solid piece instead of the tabs.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
If I understand your question correctly, it’s so that shingle is exposed on the granular side
@shawncummings4653 8 ай бұрын
As a 35 year roofer there is only two types of valley I will ever install. My number 1 is w valley metal, and 2 is a cut valley. Weaved valleys are totally ugly, and a point out valley is a leak wating to happen.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 8 ай бұрын
Agreed
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
35 years of roofing I've seen so much like running a kettle witch you must know I'm old know lol
@dreally7029 4 ай бұрын
Really like the explanation, but you can see the blow thru (?if correct) with the nail gun.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
100% correct
@paul-rc7mh 4 ай бұрын
I used to enjoy the woven valley but shingle supplers won't warranty it anymore
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
Really, from what I know it’s still a approved method
@Cotronixco Ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of butting shingles end-to-end with no overlap and installing them perpendicular to the valley just to get a straight line. Sometimes called a California valley, and also used within other valley installation methods. Here in the north, water can get under the shingle, freeze, expand, and move or crack that shingle and the adjacent shingle. The object should always be to divert all water off the slope as quickly as possible, and not retain water or rely on the ice & water shield or the flashing.
@Kevinwatches 4 ай бұрын
So Tamko has a video showing starting on the larger roof/bigger slope, i put their valley install video link below. How much of a difference does it make starting on one roof or the other? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5elrc2ivcmbYpc.htmlsi=xzv_ntkFBm3kUpUE
@RoofRepairSpecialist 4 ай бұрын
Big or small the concept is the same.
@Kevinwatches 4 ай бұрын
@@RoofRepairSpecialist Thanks for the reply👍
@mikethompson7436 9 күн бұрын
Close valleys are one of the worst things to come over the border they go down just the the close cut pipeboot rage of the 90's what about that 3" stagger
@boashna 28 күн бұрын
affrain barkala
@ItchyKneeSon Ай бұрын
Dude, your presentation style is way too similar to Lenny Pepperbottom of Neature Walk. lol
@RoofRepairSpecialist Ай бұрын
Haha, kind of look like him too 😩
@matthewzinn5291 3 ай бұрын
All new roofs are installed with woven valleys. Go to any new or even 10-20 year old neighborhood with original shingles and you will see woven valleys. Raleigh , NC. Area I personally don’t like open cut because that open cut edge will curl after 5 years. That shingle edge is relying on the adhesive and caulking to make that valley watertight. Here’s the easier way to understand it….take a water hose and spray directly on that edge of the open cut, then take it and spray it in a woven Valley… which one do you think is going to be more susceptible to water getting underneath the shingle? Obviously the open cut with the raw edge .
@slydog7131 2 ай бұрын
And yet they seem to work just fine. That is not a typical failure point.
@ChrisHall0397 3 ай бұрын
This is SO wrong in several ways. You were lining up the right side of different courses of shingles (at 6:23+) ! A few butt seems of the shingles were practically on top of nails of the lower course ! WTH Bro ?
@slydog7131 2 ай бұрын
Those shingles were cut short just to make the demonstration easier to show.
@user-ou9jb7ni5n 5 ай бұрын
Your shingle spacing is completely incorrect
@RoofRepairSpecialist 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think so
@amy-joe5772 Жыл бұрын
Why do they mispronounced center it is not on center it is called center
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
Center is center, I don’t think you are center
@coreymclellan 10 ай бұрын
2" offset..... you are fired i tear off all your work and redo it!
@RoofRepairSpecialist 10 ай бұрын
lol
@brandonsantos9860 8 ай бұрын
smh
@kodihunt8631 5 ай бұрын
These videos can't be serious. I have sat here for the last hour and every one of these videos. These guys has called themselves out on their own videos of nailing wrong in the valley. What?
@RoofRepairSpecialist 5 ай бұрын
Now get off the crack pipe and watch again.
@Kevinwatches 4 ай бұрын
@@RoofRepairSpecialist I been watching videos lately to learn and most videos show the way you did it however shingle manufacture video below show starting on the other side of roof. How much of a difference will this make? It's a super quick tampko video showing a closed valley. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5elrc2ivcmbYpc.htmlsi=xzv_ntkFBm3kUpUE
@user-ov2rc6zq9p Ай бұрын
That’s 100 wrong
@RoofRepairSpecialist Ай бұрын
Your 101 wrong
@mcdlb181 6 ай бұрын
Sorry your job site/video is a mess
@RoofRepairSpecialist 6 ай бұрын
? What video
@carlsmith4767 Жыл бұрын
Don't follow anything this guy doing he has no clue what roofing is.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
I would say you have no clue, but you do look like a wise old man.
@carlsmith4767 Жыл бұрын
@@RoofRepairSpecialist yup I started roofing before they had nail guns
@EstateFlip Жыл бұрын
So what's your suggestion? What do you think he's doing wrong? You can't make a comment like that on a short video like this and just not mention what the issue is.. otherwise you just look like a troll.
@gusmarokity6482 11 ай бұрын
Agree with you. Fourty years roofer. Only use metal if roof too steep. Shingle over metal area lasts much shorter than field shingles and gets dirt under it real fast. For roof contractor is a good way to do it bc faster, but for homeowners not best especially as you see it here.
@andyeveritt9003 8 ай бұрын
in England you dont nail all metal valleys along the sides to allow the metal to expand and contract or it splits in a few years especially zink
@dwightsornberger8916 Жыл бұрын
He explains the rules of step back and then doesn't follow them. Not a very good example. Also you need paper going over the edge of the metal valley.
@RoofRepairSpecialist Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure I do, I’m genuinely curios if not, can you call out the time in the video.
@thunderpuppyproductions6165 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he means around 6:20 or so when you do not appear to leave a six inch setback. Looks almost like no setback.
@chadziegler7292 10 ай бұрын
Dry in goes under flashings always but I noticed the books were shrinking that can work if you know your nail placement come back and do your cuts
@steevemachine118 11 ай бұрын
Open valleys are BS. You should never rely on the shingle adhesive nor should you nail in the flashing. The best valley remains the closed valley.
@RoofRepairSpecialist 11 ай бұрын
Is your concern on open valleys wind?
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