I think it literally convinced me to honestly lol. I feel like I’m outta the loop!

Challenge accepted lol I’ve had the first book downloaded for years now but never gotten around to it. This all the motivation I needed! Peace and wholeness fam

I have the first book on the shelf. I guess I better get started. :)

I never got past book 4 or 5 (been so long I can't recall which I ended on). Weirdly, knowing it has a satisfying ending makes me more interested in finally going back and finishing it. *whips out library card*

Lol, you convinced me to re-read it for a 3rd time

It’s been too long 😢

Damn, I was in the car showroom, fairly new to fantasy, and i found his eye of the world review that day. Aargh, not so long ago, but still memories..

SAME

Snapsies! Seems no time ago but it's probably actually five or six years?!

Same here!

Unless he's talking about the Amazon TV show then he's a total schill

@@geography_guy335 🤡

Damn. You’re right.

Great point!

I wouldn't be too sure. If anyone could figure it out, it would be Lanfear. On the other hand, maybe she really doesn't care anymore.

@@haplozetetic9519 Yeah pretty sure if Lews Therin was dead she would have known it instantly. And considering her abilities in dreaming, she'd be able to see his "light" easily, even though it's in a different body. She was able to find Rand in the first place because of her connection to his soul.

@@Kelnx Agreed. Rand was also able to tell it was her in the body of Cyndane.

yes

Visiting the mad lands would be an interesting one as newer male channellers would not go insane, but seeing how they use the one power, and their attitudes, learning from the mad channellers and the whole nature/nurture impact of how they are raised

Add to that. Rand's kids vs Lanfear showdown! With a small cameo of dad at the end. Or better yet, her becoming a sort of Gandalf to their Frodo, going on adventures together. Lanfear trying to subtly influence their mindset and thinking in bad directions, but end up growing to truly care for them towards the end.

Please god no

Ok want to see tam and Rand meet again

Our queen.

@@musicisfree91 The impossibly rare communist-monarchist spotted in the wild.

I think the problem is that she is one of the forsaken and they have all been quite incompetent through the series so you go like: "yeah, I can see she making a dumb mistake and getting her neck twisted." at least that's what I told myself.

Yeah, something felt odd about it to me, too, but I never thought more of it. I’m reasonably certain that I never would’ve thought of this, though, even if I had started thinking about her “death” again.

It definitely felt rushed and a bit weird of an ending for an important character but I just put it down to a combination of poor understanding of the character and rushing her ending to try and tie up as many of the major loose threads as possible without the book being too long or needing an extra one.

same honestly

I mean... the first time she died was because she got pushed through a door.

Do it. Do it for Loial

I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope.

I'm now picturing them all in the music video the Hamster Dance 😂

I just had a powerful flashback to making a fool of myself the first time I logged in Tales of Ta'veren II

THAT would be the way for both characters to be properly treated

Twist..Perrin becomes the sandman

We're told this (Perrin's slow to speak/react, but he's not stupid) many times during the series, but I can't actually remember any examples of Perrin being notably intelligent.

Hey lsdeann, it’s been a minute since I’ve read though the books but I think the battle of Malden and the fork root tea plan is a good example. Wasn’t the plan where Rand throws him across the room his too? So he could go look for the prophet?

"daughter of the night" & "Lord of the morning" Both are the strongest in OP with respect to their gender (before she gets drained), one opens the bore and the other seals it

I get it but I want some mysteries to stay that way so I don’t think I’d read it.

Tbh, Sanderson said back in 2020, that the three books that he wrote for the series were RJ's notes, combined with his writing, so you already have some of it.

@@victorlosadahernandez7125 true but i would like to see how ending would have been if sanderson hadn't decided to add deaths.

I personally would like to know what bits of the last 3 books came from Jordan's notes and what bits Sanderson created on his own. Apart from finding it Interesting I think it would help me make sense of the books. Some of the things that happen just done seem very in keeping with Jordan and it drives me to distraction trying to wonder if I'm wrong or if Sanderson created those on his own

@@MaryaHach I don't suppose you have a link do you? I don't really use reddit much but I've not been able to find anything

Same. Especially because the compulsion didn't even fail, Perrin just killed her in spite of it through sheer willpower and was left with lifelong trauma as a result. Really didn't read like something she had planned for.

Yeah Perin killed her, this is just bullshiat from Sanders.

As someone who literally started the Wheel of Time because of Daniel’s passion, I can 100% confirm his passion is justified. Read the whole series in four months and had a massive book depression afterwards haha

Leave alone - just horrible

I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing to the Wheel, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope. If money's an object, free's a great price.

I just finished crown of swords … ugh what a drag

They are peak 90s bad writing.

As is tradition.

I don’t think this was due to lack of writing experience, moreso the fact that it’s a different author writing already existing characters. That’s a tall ask for any writer to come in and fit smoothly into an 11 book series

Absolutely. Robert Jordan also did his pre-writing differently than Sanderson, and I'm sure that many details were kept in his head and never made it into the notes he left behind.

I explicitly remember reading Memory of Light for the first time and thinking that Lanfear’s ending was unsatisfying and didn’t make sense, but I also thought the same thing for Padan Fain’s end and there’s no twist on that one. I just chalked it up to Sanderson having to have her do something and Jordan didn’t leave much for him to work with. Even before Sanderson took over the Forsaken had been caught in this weird limbo of being super powerful and dangerous but also not so competent as to actually get much done. Her ending as presented on face value matches the pattern already set, so I liked the reveal that actually there was a deeper plot much more aligned with how the Forsaken are talked about.

I think something we can all appreciate is that Sanderson did everything possible to tell Jordan’s story rather than his own. That kind of humility is rare and admirable.

@@fakjbf3129 I have only finished book 3 (and do not plan on continuing), why are the forsaken considered formidable? Is it a case of the narration or lore informing us they are a BIG deal but always lose to the protagonists?

Until Ragnarok...

I think you're taking her actions at the docks in the complete wrong context. She had 0 control over herself at the docks. The pattern had locked in the confrontation at the docks before Rand even left Tear. See: the wise ones dreams regarding Moiraine and Rhuidean, Moiraine's ring experience in Rhuidean, Mat being dragged back and forth in battle until he got the news of Morgase at the right time to trigger Moiraine's ring vision at the same time that Lanfear was there. The pattern knew Lanfear's plan was working, and her success at challenging the Dark One and Creator would threaten the pattern itself, so it set up a mini battle of champions with Moiraine that was forced for both sides. And even then Lanfear still had chances to win, although not at the pattern destroying level that she was aiming for (The rings show visions of possible futures, and Moiraine saw futures after the docks where Lanfear controlled Rand, and ones where she killed him. But all of Moiraine's possible futures included the docks). Lanfear ran circles around everyone in TGH-TFoH. She just couldn't challenge the pattern itself successfully.

@@SuperfluousMan-qs8rv I disagree entirely. I don't think of the Pattern is an active, conscious participant in the way that you seem to, and I think that to do so would eliminate any semblance of agency/free will from the world of the Wheel. To me, the Pattern is 'what was and what is', woven by the Wheel in the Present; ahead of that point there are only a loose collection of threads from which events can be inferred but not assumed. It is, essentially, a representation of the classic Arrow of Time concept which has no will or agency of its own. Prophecy in WoT, when not presented as occurrences open to wide interpretation, is a statement of 'what needs to happen' for continual smooth running of the Pattern through the Wheel in that reality. But each actor on the stage is still free to choose as their motivations dictate. Dreamwalkers appear to be able to 'see' probable rather than absolute events, and in my view the rings first assume that an event will happen and then play out from that point. Only Foretelling and Min's Visions appear absolute in the WoT, and the vast majority of those are almost allegorical or open to multiple interpretations (as Min herself admits). Thus, Lanfear's actions were her own in the context of surrounding events, reflective of her personality. To assume otherwise is to ascribe the same lack of agency to every other character and event in the series (greatly cheapening it IMO).

@@SuperfluousMan-qs8rv Yeah I think you fundamentally misunderstand the way the series works. She absolutely had control over herself.

Seconded and agreed

Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time and he did it well.

sanderson has made it very clear that he would never write more WoT

@@robbybevard8034 Ooh, I haven't heard of these authors before, but this comment is a hell of a recommendation! I think I'll have to check them out, thanks...

​@@acurlyboi2944 Yea, but it doesn't mean that he won't change his mind in the future though. Or maybe I'm just an optometrist.

@@JoeBob79569 ur an eye doctor?

people say there is a slump somewhere in the middle of the series but for me the hardest to read was the first. It starts very LoTR and i'm just not a fan, add that it's always thought for me to get settled in a new world and book 1 was a bit of a chore. each passing book was better and better and the end is incredibly good, please give it another shot.

@@damp2269 I'll put book two back on my TBR. Willing to give the series another go.

@@katlove8815 nice, can't say when it will click for you but i honestly can't see anyone for whom it wouldn't click at all. i had me interested all the way through but somewhere in book 3 is when i knew it was something special.

m8 u just spoiled urself

@@Bt-cq6te nooo, I didn't watched whole thing... 🙏

First time I tried, I couldn't finish book 1. Second time I tried I stopped at some point in 4 or start of 5. . . . I only own up to 6 so I guess I need to get a few more books before I try again.

@@hallaloth3112 I know it's a bit non-sequitor, but if you want something 100% free and the closest I've ever seen to being comparably amazing, try the Wandering Inn. The largest fault I can put on it is just that the 1st book starts pretty slow, but the series is one massive snowball in terms of quality and grand scope. If money's an object, free's a pretty good price.

Oh book 4 is where it starts getting REALLY GOOD.

Do yourself a favor and buckle down and finish the series. I tiptoed around spoilers for years, its worth it to finish and be able to engage in discussions. The WOT subreddit is really good for marking for spoilers so you can somewhat read threads and ask questions but sometimes people misremember and post spoilers

Hah you assume it wont get cancelled before the end 🤣

That series is definitely going to be c cancelled before then. Firstly because it's rare a series would run the 10+ season they would need, and secondly because they have made it awful

Also, I thought Rand in his new body was powerless at least from what I remembered /shrug

@@Selfamused spoiler- Rand can theoretically erase Lanfear from the Wheel.

@@Selfamused SPOILER Rand no longer has access to Saidin. He has... something else. What exactly that is, is unclear, intentionally so. We just saw him light a pipe with it. It's possible he has direct access to the pattern now, powers comparable to what the Dark One had. No one knows since Jordan never told anyone, and even Sanderson can only speculate..

Brandon's still got ~25 more years of his own stories and universe to write. Taking another year or two to sideline another WoT book would be neat, but not what we need from him. There could potentially be other authors up to the task (Brent Weeks and James Islington come to mind) but Brandon did his time.

@@robbybevard8034 IMO WoT is done and should stay that way. I see adding entries on any series as a series of escalating bets, if one doesn't pay off you lost the whole thing. we are 15 in... i say we take the winnings home. Also agree on Sanderson doing something else. need more stormlight, but honestly I will read anything he puts out at this point.

@@damp2269 I still would love to an expansion on the war of power.

@@nucphyschem1 If another book was published I would read it no question, but I have 2 arguments against it. the first I mentioned, too much risk of ruining the series. The second is that I think that if everything is shown it will lose a bit of it's magic. a big part of WoT is facts becoming history, history becoming legend and legend being so old that is just a fuzzy myth. If everything is crystal clear you lose a lot of that sense of wonder.

@@damp2269 I understand what you are saying that's why I'm saying you don't write the book in relation to the main series but expand the universe ie the war of power and about the hall of servants and such. The research on traveling etc would super interesting. Nothing to do with the mainline series

Good choice! Being able to watch ALL WoT KZfaq content was a major motivator to finish the series for me

@@psykedude I have saved every WoT video I haven't watched into a single Playlist for when I finish the series. No spoilers until I'm done.