Of all of the cheaters I've heard about, this may actually be the most surprising. Massive thanks to GMG Performance Glasses for supporting me and the channel. Go grab a pair for 40% off at go.gmg-performance.com/karl-jobst

"Minecraft speedrun scientist" is one of those combinations of words that feels like it should be sarcastic, but is completely serious and genuine.

This reminds me of a funny incident that happened a couple of years ago: A TV program was going to give a prize to the oldest person alive of the country. But after tracking that person, they realized she had been dead for several years, but their family didn't notify her death to keep receiving the government pay. Then they decided to move to the next oldest person alive, but it turned out it was dead as well. And so on and so forth. By the time they got finished they uncovered 8 more cases of social security fraud...

"It takes one to know one" is honestly why I believe that moderators should be deeply familiar with cheating themselves so they can recognise others more easily. Like a serial killer becoming a detective.

Exposing someone else from cheating probably is to gain the trust from the community, make people think he is one of the "good guys" that takes care of the integrity of the game.

I was in Brisbane recently and I saw that Netherworld was collecting funds for your legal fees. Really cool for a bar/arcade to do that for a local

Him exposing dream is the perfect example of "Takes one to know one"

It’s like studying a bank heist, calling the police on the criminals and then being caught robbing the same bank years later. It’s almost as if he studied the mistakes so he wouldn’t make them, but ended up having the same fate as the ones he studied.

I feel like the act of finding cheaters has become it's own sort of game. I wonder if at some point people start competing in it. Someone posts a deliberate video of a cheated speed run and people compete in finding the most amount of proof as fast as possible.

Something Karl didn't mention is that MinecrAvenger has a twin brother who is also a top Minecraft speedrunner however his brother is seemingly a completely legitimate player who has no oddities in his runs. When MinecrAvenger was first submitting times to the leader board his times just coincidentally happened to be slightly faster than his brothers, he wasn't just cheating and fooling the community he was also cheating to get a better time than his brother just so he could feel superior to him. A very sad man indeed.

When Karl revealed that it was in fact HIM wearing those glasses...Well my whole goddamn world collapsed around me.

This is like these scenes in cartoons where the main characters are exposed for cheating and yet its revealed EVERYONE in the whole contest was cheating so the trophy goes to the person in last place who happened to be the only one that wasnt cheating.

Maybe he felt more secure after he exposed Dream. Like, if everyone knew him as the guy who exposed cheaters, then they would be less likely to think of him as one.

The audacity to call out someone for what you’re doing yourself is peak level.

It's amazing how far cheat detection has come. Huge W for the speedrunning comminity.

I'm trying to imagine an alternate version of this story, where MinecrAvenger uses his knowledge of cheating to expose Dream, but admits that he knows it because he too is cheating. Burning down in flames with a bit of class.

Each time a new person is discovered to have cheated, I wonder how long itll be before we hear Karl himself has been caught in a major cheating scandal. My heart cant take it

Its kinda funny knowing that if he didn't expose Dream, he wouldn't have been caught as easily. It was because of Dream that people started getting suspicious of 'good luck'.

The old saying rings true here “a thief thinks like a thief and locks everything”. He caught Dream because he was thinking like a cheater.

He was so jealous that another cheater broke his record that he forgot the hypocrisy 💀 Bro was heated Also imagine suing someone over a video game cheating accusation 😭

Wow what a shame. I'm glad that people in the community provide checks and balances to expose the cheaters. Love your channel Karl. Been subbed for years.

What bothers me the most is the fact Minecravenger made so many of his runs a tiny bit faster than his brother’s. That's some next level pettiness I haven't seen before.

This is going to just be a never ending cycle. First Drem gets exposed by Dream, and MinecrAvenger exposes him, and now he gets caught cheating. Whoever exposed MinecrAvenger for cheating, please don't be part of the speedrunning community so the cycle could finally break.

the mass effect map music caught me off guard ! You truly are a man of culture, doubled with a great narration technique. Thank you for the work you put into your videos

I don't think there's any doubt that a lot of top rank speedrunners cheated their records and just haven't been caught yet because there hasn't been quite enough scrutiny to pick up on their method

The dragon had probably started in 2nd gear to be able to get such a fast perch. What a talented runner!!

I used to feel annoyed about the cheaters, but as a bystander I am -- more and more -- enjoying this cat and mouse game between the cheaters and the guardians of integrity

It's strange to me that people cheat in the first place like even if you pull it off eventually top players will want to rewatch the clip in order to learn your strategy.. so someone is going to catch it at some point

0:22 Breaks gravel, gets flint in the 1st try. Enough said.

The RNG in Minecraft speedrunning must be unbelievably frustrating to top runners for this many people to have been exposed for cheating inappropriately.

I love a good Minecraft cheating controversy because the sheer lengths that cheaters go to to get ahead and the equally audacious lengths people go to to bust them defies belief

There is a great video by Upper Echelon where he claims that the gamming community is much better at self moderating than the scientific community. This is a great example of that, it's amazing how people that play videogames can gather and use both the will and the means to expose corruption within the community while more important communities like the scientific community most times refuse to investigate possible corruption from within

The fact that I can hear the phrase "Minecraft Scientist" and not break a rib from laughing is a hell of a statement on where we are as a species. Not sure if it's a good or a bad one, but it's a hell of one either way

The fact he had the audacity to call out dream while doing the same goddamned thing is hilarious.

If you account for Dream's MASSIVE cheating scandal, this is probably one of the biggest "takes one to know one" instances of all time

as someone who was befriended with a speedrunner who later turned out to have cheated, I notice that people like to do theories on why and most of the time its completly wrong. People always overthink when the reasons are usually simple.

You are an absolute legend for using the mass effect map theme in the background

At this point, hearing the word "luck" when it comes to MC speedruns puts a pit in my stomach

"You Can't Hustle a Hustler" The idea of that applying to cheaters as well sounds pretty fitting

ProTip: Never expose one of the most popular gamers on the entire internet for cheating when you're cheating in almost the exact same fashion. It's not a good look.

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1 in 28 billion is laughably unlikely, but it really puts into perspective how bonkers Dream's claim was.... like add ten zeroes to the end of that 1/28,000,000,000 and you have Dream's supposed luck.

He harnessed the power of the greatest video gamer of all time billy mitchell

I misread the title and thought it was about the biggest cheater in MineSWEEPER history. I'm at 7:59 and after reading the title again I only just now am understanding why you kept talking about Minecraft so much. I was actively wondering how this guy was gonna parley his Minecraft fame into a fake Minesweeper record. This whole video is gonna be a different experience now. Looking forward to it and now wondering if there's ever been a Minesweeper cheating scandal.

Dont play minecraft and dont speedrun except very casually in games I really really like for a personal challenge (so not a competitive speedrun at all) but I still love to watch this channel. Thanks for the great content Karl.

Does Karl line up the black fade outs with adverts? Because I genuinely love it if it’s intentional? Makes content really easy to watch!

I can't believe it's been two years since the Dream cheating case.

This reminds me of my old counter strike 1.6 server i used to run for years with my friends, we had a strict no second chances for cheaters policy but we secretly knew which of our admins were former cheaters and funnily enough it was always those who used to cheat themselves that were the best at spotting cheaters and getting rid of them in creative ways, takes one to know one i guess

This is absolutely crazy. Hats off to all minecraft geniuses out there. Thank you for making this video, my mind is blown

speedrunning cheaters being outed is more entertaining than actual speedruns

That's so wild that he was caught from that and not the splice. Shoutout to the community for checking the chest odds! Need passionate people behind these communities

I'm so glad not every speed game can be easily modified in such hard to notice ways. Like imagine if in SM64 we had to worry about people speeding up Mario's rollouts by x1.01 and fixing coin spawning RNG to be 10% more favorable.

Nice video. I accidentally stumbled across this. Very interesting. Thank you for putting it together.

"Youou absolute LEGENDS..." is literarally the best in and outro on YT 😄 The intonation is so funny, like you want to say something like 'you absolute a-holes', but then it becomes LEGENDS with a bassy voice 😂🤣

I find it absolutely hilarious that the person that exposed Dream, straight up cheated multiple runs either before or after he exposed him, it's also ironic that he got caught for the same reason as Dream

I remember watching a show back in the mid 2000s called it takes a thief where 2 ex theifs were exposing holes in peoples house security. This story reminds me of that because of the whole cheater exposes a cheater only to get caught cheating. But it does make since how he would know what to look for in order to expose Dream.

1:03 I doubt anyone who sees this will understand, but 1541 is an iconic number in a community I'm in, and seeing it appear in a seemingly random place is crazy considering how small said community is (300-400 members). And given how specific the number is, there's a very low chance it appears randomly so when it does, that's really an "Oh my god, wow!!!!" moment.

Now the person that exposed him needs to be under a 24/7 camera surveillance

I'm starting to think that the long hours of grinding the intense RNG of minecraft speedruns just cooks a certain kind of person's brain after a while.

Perhaps he spoke out against other cheaters to make his runs look less suspicious. One becomes more trusted when exposing other cheaters.

“Dolphins are also random” This sentence tickles me for some reason.

I love your use of Mass Effect soundtracks And the content of course

I get that top players are almost always the ones who end up cheating, and it makes sense why, but exposing other cheaters after you've cheated records yourself seems crazy. Like that's the absolute textbook definition of "tempting fate".

For the fact they put effort into making a tool for scanning all possible loot chests is truly amazing, kudos to everyone involved!

I've been around cheating circles in games And honestly yes, the old saying is true; There is no honour amongst thieves. Cheaters will almost always point out other cheaters. Why? Because if you're getting caught, I'm not A silly mentality but everyone eventually learns it's not if, it's when.

I suddenly want karl to make a spinoff series called making a fake run in which he attempts to make a cheated run in games he is unfamiliar with to see what he can come up with

Every time this happens, I can't help but think, who else is cheating right now but yet to be caught?

Cheaters are really good at spotting other people cheating because they know better what to look for and notice familiar patterns that they themselves might have attempted or thought about. Also the ego factor in cheaters makes them more likely to challenge the authenticity of other people's achievements which is probably how he noticed Dream was cheating too and got mad that someone else was beating his record the same way he was beating everyone else's.

Good luck with the law suit Jobst! Love your channel

Unexplainable glitches in software that can’t be repeated are probably due to space rays. Multiple space rays in one run is pretty suspicious…

WOW im so proud of everyone here for helping karl out with the lawsuits, warms my heart to see

I never really looked into minecraft speedruns but there's a seed called "stronghold below" that spawns you in a village above a stronghold I bet that would be a good one

I'd like to point out that '1 in 28 billion' probability is less likely than a rogue white dwarf crashing into the sun.

Thanks so much for what you do. Not the critical exposes or reviewing speedruns… but for putting Mass Effect music in the background.

Saw this come up elsewhere and it's crazy. Glad to see Karl cover it too; I really like the way he puts his videos together and always speaks clearly and directly on the matter.

This is a really reminiscent of "You were my brother, Anakin!" Minecravenger was a massive, well respected speedrunner that ultimately betrayed the entire community.

2:54 - Which is ALMOST 0 side effects. This is essentially a scare-monger tactic to sell glasses that don't really do much of anything.

In 2 years: “How ExeRSolver was caught cheating in a Minecraft speedrun.” 9:20

I’m waiting for a “Karl Jobst cheating scandal exposed” video. I really hope one never gets made. Please don’t break our hearts you absolute legend

This is why it's important to take the opinions of other cheaters accusing others seriously. Tons of cheating scandals in COD have happened in the last two years, but the community is so toxic it won't even listen to other cheaters laying out, in detail why a lot of the big cod streamers are cheating. I get it, they're cheaters - but, they have more experience with cheating than most other people and are worth listening to.

I'm not much into minecraft, but I can relate to this deal of finding a legendary speedrunner a lot of people look up to is cheating, I felt it when it came out that RossDraws was painting over pictures of instagram models and not disclosing it or crediting them, making it seem like it was all his creation.

Whenever something like this happens, the same fraud detection methods should be applied to the entire top ten of the game in question.

i was a big fan of him and even tuned to his streams, im not a Minecraft person so i never noticed so the news were a shock, he seemed so genuine and even talked about cheating like something he would never do ☠️

I almost want to thank all the cheaters for giving Karl the justification to do these amazing videos, thank you so much you legends

Was he also exposed for listening to the song “Dupe - International “ ??

Takes a cheater to know a cheater, I suppose. I'd know. I spent nearly an entire year, in dungeon defenders, collecting data and creating spreadsheets for calculating all the in and outs of different weapons, pets, accessories, and armor. I did, in time, figure out how to change the game code and item codes using some helpful tools. I essentially managed to fabricate high tier, end-game equipment that made it past numerous checks from developers. I had a careful balance of highly unlikely drop equipment paired with above average equipment. I couldn't make it too obvious. Made sure the item values were all within game mechanic ranges (most common mistake made by noob hackers). Eventually, with my high-end gear, I was able to "legitimately" and slowly farm the equipment I wanted and slowly swapped out 90% of my gear over time. No one was the wiser. I did make a point to never trade or sell my "legit" gear because I knew it wasn't right and shouldn't be spread into the community. Over time, I started running frequent checks on random players myself. I caught a lot of cheaters over time. Most of which I could talk down into dropping me their items, and I then destroyed them from the game (in-game option). I would typically drop them above average and legitimate gear for complying. Some blatantly lied about their items being modded, and went so far as to say, "It's not modded, I farmed it myself.". Yea, no. Those were the ones I sent screenshots to the developers and got them banned. Also caught a few other blatant hackers through other very obscure means but not worth mentioning. Call me a hypocrite if you want. 😂

The mass effect music was amazing.

I knew as soon as I saw Lowest Percent’s video that Karl would weigh in on this too. It’s pretty amazing you can fire off these videos while dealing with those spurious lawsuits.

Seeing this makes me worry a lot about how many WR speedruns from other games were also cheated. I mean, people were able to detect this particular case thanks to Minecraft being literally the most popular and played game of all time, and the build-up experience and knowledge coming from that fact is unfathomable. But the vast majority of other games aren't so "lucky".

I love competitive gaming of all kinds, but no group knows their games like speed runners

as a cybersecurity major and Minecraft lover, I adore the fact that they were able to probably write a script that ran all of his chest possibilities. Smooth move IT community

Since his notable runs started november 2020, it makes sense for him to call out Dream. After all, what else would be better to let your cheated runs go under the radar than everyone being focused on a big youtuber cheating their runs? By the time the Dream scandal blew over noone would look that deeply at the others around that time, especially at the person that called him out. I feel bad for his brother though. He worked so hard to become so good only to have his brother still always be better than him... only because his brother cheated. I cant imagine how he felt learning about his brother cheating runs (even to the point of pettiness to get a slightly better time than him). It mustve hurt. His twin brother desecrating something he loves. Fuck, that sucks!

I'll never understand why people cheat in groups like speed running. You're not getting money or notable recognition out of it, and the risk of getting caught is being blacklisted from the only community that shares the same interests. It just seems like a losing scenario.

Man got this video into a KZfaq ad, bravo

This makes you wonder about how many other top speedrunners may be cheating as well, but successfully got away with it

I remember seeing the spread sheet for this. Its beyond insane how they caught him.

13:20 actually that did happen to me once - my world somehow got deleted and when I created a new world, the same world appeared (with the chest contents and all that)

I feel like the most victorious warrior defeating the end dragon with no cheats, after 8 years of playing minecraft without ever beating one.

You ever have KZfaq mobile force you to add videos to the wrong playlist? Yeah, now this video is in my private playlist, "Breaking Chad"

In my opinion it's the players that expose others that you need to be the most suspicious of. In-depth knowledge of catching players gives you a big advantage in knowing how not to get caught. Also exposing cheaters puts you in high standing with the community so no one expects it anyway.