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The Biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History JUST Happened.
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Күн бұрынThis is the story of the biggest doping scandal in triathlon history with Collin Chartier being caught using EPO and banned from the sport.
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@joshuawurzbacher8644 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who doesnt assume rampant drug use in this sport is a fool.
@tackela2 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@Ryz414 Жыл бұрын
Every sport on the top level has a doping problem.
@pauldavies5541 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been involved in triathlon for many years. I’m confident all the top guys are dirty. Look at their training volume. Look at the bike power. I don’t believe that’s possible clean.
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing 🤣 . People Believe the Earth is flat. Lmfaooo00 sooooo yeah
@EdgyDabs47 Жыл бұрын
Same with any endurance sport really
@SeanAltamurasalt Жыл бұрын
I have been an amateur triathlete for over 10 years. Just the sheer amount of supplements we have been given at race events, the increasing price tags of (often underserved) sport equipment and events, have led me to believe it is a market driven sport, where performance and equipment flex are valued more than health, sportsmanship... doping is definitely a big part of it. It serves the interests of the triathlon industry. Sean from Naples, Italy
@alwaystmoza Жыл бұрын
He ain't lots of triathletes have tested positive and been suspended in the past. They need to do their research. Since 2011 over 28 ironman athletes have tested positive and been banned. And also lots in the Olympic distance have also tested positive.
@ChiTownBrownie89 Жыл бұрын
Ironman in general is a money grab. Look at how much its costs to just enter and how many entries they get. There is a big problem in cycling but you know what age group is the worst with it? Masters, the guys that are 35+. It comes down to an ego thing for them and its really easy to dope now with all this T replacement stuff.
@SurpriseMeJT Жыл бұрын
All professional sport is marketing.
@paulsmith5611 Жыл бұрын
@@alwaystmoza Yes, this video is clickbait. Lots of athelete have tested positive even before 2011. I did a lot of triathlons in 2003-2010 and remember suspensions from those years. Nina Kraft was 2nd in Kona in 2004 and then tested positive for EPO, for example. And the number of top amateur (and pro) triathletes and road runners who retire from the sport and then move on to trail running (which has almost no testing) is.....interesting :-)
@paulsmith5611 Жыл бұрын
It's always been about the equipment and the athletes flexing about how much money they have and how much they spend. It's one reason I (mostly) quit the sport. It gets tiring hanging out with rich people constantly bragging about high priced bikes and vacations.
@jeremygroen5625 Жыл бұрын
I have a difficult time believing he is the only one. I don't think its a coincidence we are seeing records not just being broken but absolutely destroyed in the last year or so. I hate to say it, but I think we are going to see some really big names drop dirty.
@janemf Жыл бұрын
Of course he’s not.
@ceschenrik Жыл бұрын
i am certain the norwegians in particular are clean
@BrandonTmusic Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. There's just a lot more attention on this sport which means bigger prizes and sponsors for winners. Those that use science will do what they can to get around the rules to win. Or get caught.
@jeremygroen5625 Жыл бұрын
@@ceschenrik I hope so, but I wouldn't be shocked to find out they are not.
@timvanmonero2720 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremygroen5625 the norwegians are also in the olympic testing pool which is a different story. they are tested since roughly 10 years. most likely they are or their lab is the worlds leading lab.
@StephenAndrichuk Жыл бұрын
Wait people thought a professional sport where large amounts of money can be earned was clean?
@randomd286 Жыл бұрын
Well it only recently has been something that earns any money.
@GNP999 Жыл бұрын
People dope to win local races in small communities just for the sake of being competitive. What do you think People will do when there’s money on the line? People need to wake up
@random_vid_tt Жыл бұрын
@@GNP999 exactly this
@fa7471987 Жыл бұрын
Every major amateur or professional sporting competition is fueled by PED. Every single one.
@asiantrick24 Жыл бұрын
@@GNP999 lol exactly. People dope doing Cat 3 race in the US where first place get a t-shirt..like seriously
@thezenboy Жыл бұрын
I follow professional cycling closely. When I read about some of the watts produced in tri and try to compare it to cycling’s best current riders, many questions come up.
@hansdieter4381 Жыл бұрын
Comparing apples and pears has never worked, dude! Cyclists don‘t tend to go all out for 4h.
@kpblasko Жыл бұрын
What are you referring to? I see numbers in the high 200’s for a four hour bike leg. While world tour pros are regularly doing over 300 in one day six hour races.
@plain-bagel Жыл бұрын
@@hansdieter4381??
@terrymcmaster2787 Жыл бұрын
Well Kevin, there is obviously No problem
@matthew7419 Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking the same thing. The 2022 Tour was apparently the fastest in history, including the EPO years. It fell off for a while after Lace, and everyone looked out of breath, but now they're as fast as ever. It may have something to do with having so many teams on the front all the time, but I just can't believe the speeds.
@stevenoiret6775 Жыл бұрын
It is shocking that since the return of the pandemic the time record are broken over and over and we suddenly get 10 athletes below 8h at Kona.
@nicschne Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@GNP999 Жыл бұрын
You gotta dope to cope.
@kitman530 Жыл бұрын
Kona was a special race last year, because it was much colder and much less windy then in average.
@anthhub Жыл бұрын
Full natty bro, honest…..
@wheresmymoneydenny Жыл бұрын
Here’s what happened during the pandemic: 1)no races to break down your body 2)long time to build up to races so they can be much more methodical with training 3)no or much less PED testing, which could also be taken much more methodically and rampantly as a result of the increased time between competition. Emphasis on #3. That’s your recipe for a lot of records falling. And as others have said, it’s certainly not just the tri world.
@samdean580 Жыл бұрын
Good overview! I find it extremely hard to believe he was not doping before PTO Dallas - everyone (except Collin) died that race including Yo Yo Yo who is also great in the heat. I speculate that Lionel found out at some point after Kona too; seemed like abruptly stopped working together shortly after.
@vladfromfrance Жыл бұрын
It's obvious he's just saying that to try to limit the damage and possibiliy of being stripped from these results, and possibly sued.
@cnaimoli007 Жыл бұрын
May have been quick to stop training together bc Collin stayed with Iden and Lionel chose not to.
@eto2352 Жыл бұрын
Does the UTA hold backdated blood samples? They probably won't test unless 2nd and 3rd protest the results, then will see how clean his pre-Kona results were.
@cnaimoli007 Жыл бұрын
@@eto2352 I know WADA/IOC are allowed to hold samples up to 12 years in which case, they must be destroyed (my background is T&F & fairly new to Tri). Don’t know what UAT does. If they follow WADA code, then.. maybe? Lol
@alec_schumacher Жыл бұрын
Who amongst top pro endurance athletes these days are clean is a good question. Sad for sports when exceptional performances now have shadows of doubt cast over them as the norm.
@brucegelman5582 Жыл бұрын
I rode for a cycling club in Brooklyn back in 1977 called The Prospect Wheelers.We raced in Prospect Park.A couple of the guys would go to Central Park right after the the first race and race again! I thought I sucked.Found out they were doping for 100 dollars and some hubs.I loved being clean.I felt like I was living my dream of racing and feeling great naturally.Still ride at 66 years old.Always stay clean.Your self respect depends on it.Peace.
@markhill9275 Жыл бұрын
Bruce, i raced amateur cycling, both road and track for 16 years through the late 60's to early 80's in Aus. Wasn't at the best but was OK. There were many we knew were taking shit, but the 2 best from Aus at that time, Remo and Sal Sansonetti were 110% clean, and they worked full time day jobs and raised families. i know of others that were on the dope, and others that were exceptional that weren't, Danny Clark, second only to Patrick Sercu for 6 day wins, silver in Munich was clean as an amateur, i cannot speak for after. But there were many who took the shit that were still very average, it was everywhere in the 70's!
@jurgenleofoley4270 Жыл бұрын
There are other huge triathletes that where caught- Kona winner Nina Kraft, Olympic winner Brigitte McMahon, Tim Ton
@quengmingmeow Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Acting like this positive test is bigger than when Nina Kraft got busted is ridiculous! No one remembers Kraft from 20 years ago…therefore, Chartier is the biggest ever? Please!
@apfelmann74 Жыл бұрын
Agree. The Nina Kraft case was far bigger and more impactful. Triathlon has not been exactly innocent for a long time
@bryantlhoward Жыл бұрын
Spencer Smith
@ln5747 Жыл бұрын
Tim *Don was caught?
@mikeosbornetri Жыл бұрын
There’s a 0% chance Collin Chartier wasn’t doping at Ironman Mont Tremblant 2022 & Ironman should 100% award Josh Amberger as the winner 🏆 Collin should give back the winning trophy & prize money. I don’t believe him for a second.
@azerty1933 Жыл бұрын
What tells you josh wasn't doping as well?
@chrisstrider Жыл бұрын
Brigitte McMahon won Olympic gold in 2000 and tested positive for EPO in 2005 again saying that she started after winning in Sydney……surely the biggest drug scandal in Triathlon. TRT /HRT use is not uncommon in age group racing and there is little chance of being caught or challenged,
@user-zw3hx2kh6i Жыл бұрын
Triathlon isn't cleaner. It's just almost entirely controlled by a privately owned, profit-driven corporation that's not interested in spending much money on testing. This allows the athletes to pursue a career relatively unmonitored and untested in a way that Track & Field athletes or pro cyclists just aren't. There's a ton of carrot and not much stick in professional triathlon when it comes to PED use.
@hadd5106 Жыл бұрын
If there is big prize money there will always be drug cheats.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
even without money, there will be cheats....some guys place their ego over anything else....
@azerty1933 Жыл бұрын
Even with no money. I've seen dudes on insane amount of gear at local mma shows
@crwnikeboy Жыл бұрын
If you’re saying this is the biggest drug scandal in triathlon history, you must have never heard of Nina Kraft.
@PhiyackYuh Жыл бұрын
Its for clicks mate. Obviously he isnt educated about past triathletes that got busted. These people act naive or innocent that theres no doping in this sport. Give me a break 😂 if it happens in other sports, then it happens in this sport. Even age grouper dope just to win a grand 🤷♂️🔫
@mattc8831 Жыл бұрын
Aside from 1989, the fans of the sport of triathlon seem to have amnesia.
@josephm4273 Жыл бұрын
30+ yrs ago there were athletes I raced against who ‘came out of nowhere’ to win races. One guy I remember had yellowing eyes and looked like he was competing more for body building than endurance. He was not from the PNW where we all raced and we swapped top spots on a race by race basis having good days and bad days. When it looks like someone has found a secret, they usually have and will try to keep that secret. But we can all see it in the sudden jump in performance and the true results always post. There are only two kinda of cheaters in any sport, those who have been caught and those who will get caught. Race hard.
@MarlonSolisFallas Жыл бұрын
True
@ervin7178 Жыл бұрын
Only 2 kinds of winners, ones who dope and ones who haven’t been caught.
@mpiotrowski16 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure about that? So many people are caught every year (perhaps not in niche triathlon, but in olympic weightlifting - definitely) and yet they continue using PEDs. Why? The most reasonable explanation is that they (and the team coaches) know that realtively few athletes actually get caught, hence the risk is rather low and it's worth trying doping. And when it comes to explanations... everyone says they were framed, or they were ill, or only tried this once. Hardly anyone mentions the desire to get famous and wealthy.
@WtfYoutube_YouSuck Жыл бұрын
boohoooooooo
@Zubair00001 Жыл бұрын
"Cycling, running and swimming have all had big name doping cases come to the light, but not triathlon.." You cannot possibly be surprised...
@krakatoa1200 Жыл бұрын
Putting a lighter aspect to this massive problem, I asked my wife to get me some EPO, but that Evening Primrose Oil was useless
@savagenoob2832 Жыл бұрын
Everyone is on the sauce. You think the others who compete with him are just full blown natty? Give me a break. These superhuman times are superhuman for a reason.
@BrentBroome Жыл бұрын
People love to believe this, but it's just not true. All those people faster than you? 99% of them have more talent, work harder, work smarter, or all of the above. Doping does happen, of course, but it's really quite rare these days with the biological passports and zero tolerance from fans and fellow competitors for those caught (as shown with Collin). Choosing to believe the fast folks are all on drugs is just ego protection.
@mfrippin2 Жыл бұрын
@@BrentBroome Choosing to assume they're clean is naive. Where there is money to be made, humans cheat. Always have and always will. Distance running is feeling it now. Triathlon will have its time if they're serious about it.
@SalticidaeFan Жыл бұрын
Anti-doping agencies primary function is a PR exercise to hide PED use from the public, who would become disillusioned and switch off in droves if they realised the scale of it. An occasional scandal gives the impression use is limited and they can detect it.
@anonb315 Жыл бұрын
@@BrentBroome "99% of them have more talent, work harder, work smarter, or all of the above" That is certainly true, but those athletes are not competing against the average hobby triathlete, they are competing against each other. Thinking the sport is clean, after all that came up in the last years, is quiet naive.
@danielmacdonald4005 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. The are certainly the best athletes in their sport, but they are WINNING against the best, and it’s probably not done fairly more often than not. That’s sport. Every sport.
@socrates5135 Жыл бұрын
Brigitte McMahon, the 2000 Olympic champion in Women's Triathlon, tested positive for EPO in 2005. An Olympic champion in triathlon ended her career in disgrace because of doping. Similar to Collin, she said that she was in a dark place, going through a divorce, having nagging injuries and not performing as she wanted. She insisted that she did not dope during the Sydney or Athens Games, and that she won the gold medal fairly. She also said the EPO was for therapeutic reasons only. After the positive test she was immediately removed from the Swiss national team and was facing a two-year ban from triathlon. As a consequence, she retired from the sport. That is by far the biggest doping scandal in Triathlon history.
@thetriathlonhour Жыл бұрын
It didn’t actually get that much attention back then though. The sport was too small and social media didn’t allow for it. So it’s a crazier story, she had achieved arguably more - but I believe Collin’s case was bigger.
@socrates5135 Жыл бұрын
@@thetriathlonhour Kobe Bryant won 5 NBA championships, was on 18 all-star teams, was the 2005 NBA most valuable player and a two-time NBA championship finals most valuable player, yet he said his two Olympic gold medals were his greatest accomplishments. Ask Jan Frodeno, Alister Brownlee, Kristian Blummenfelt and Nicola Spirig what was their most valued accomplishment and I'd bet each of them would say the Olympic gold medal, just like Kobe. Also, the corporation that owns the Ironman event sued the ITU in the 1990s attempting to force the Ironman World Championships to be QUALIFYING event for the Olympics. That tells you how important the Olympics were to them. Everyone knows an Olympic gold medal is far greater an accomplishment than a PTO US open win, with no disrespect to that event. Thus, there is no argument, Bridgitte was more accomplished than Collin.
@conman1395 Жыл бұрын
@@thetriathlonhour getting more publicity doesn't make it a bigger scandal rofl. It's the scandal itself and the prestige of the athlete that makes the scandal itself a big deal
@Brurgh Жыл бұрын
@@socrates5135 that happened 18 years ago, not at the forefront of peoples memories. The top trathlon atheletes today were still only children when this happened. yes she was way more accomplished than Collin but that was also a time where doping was rather rampant in all sports. I am not saying it isnt now but the testing is a lot more thorough 18 years later.
@socrates5135 Жыл бұрын
@Brurgh The title is “The Biggest DOPING Scandal in Triathlon History JUST Happened.” In all fairness, the title is a hyperbolic exaggeration if you don’t consider the complete history of the sport, which is not long since the sport was only relatively recently invented in 1974 in San Diego CA. Had he said “a big doping scandal just happened”, fine, but that’s not what he said. And, yes, Brigitte was way more accomplished than Collin. This scandal has gotten more attention because the sport is more prominent now and social media was almost nonexistent back then.
@Saoco325 Жыл бұрын
When i was road racing in the 2010s in Texas, there was a cycling forum. One time, one of the elites guys posted " be careful guys, USAC" is walking around the finish line at ....", I forgot the road race at the time. Then during those years. This doctor, that transitioned from triathlon to road racing, was destroying the whole peloton at the C2/C3 category. He was 53 at the time, and will break away solo to never been seen at almost all the races. It was comical, but the officials were buddy buddy with these frauds, so nothing to see here.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
"He was 53 at the time, and will break away solo to never been seen at almost all the race"... I do'nt understand what you mean, or what that means...
@trentvlak Жыл бұрын
@@iiii2903 It means he rode away from the peloton, rode out of sight, and won solo.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
@@trentvlak ah ok, got it....🤣I thought you meant he left the race to avoid controls....
@durianriders Жыл бұрын
IF ANYONE THINKS THE BIG NAMES IN ANY PRO SPORT ARE NATTY YOU PROBS STILL BELIEVE IN SANTA! XD
@mattc8831 Жыл бұрын
In 2004, Nina Kraft of Germany won Kona then tested positive. She was much bigger of a name than Colin, but it seems like the sands of time have gotten than story.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
it's also that most people don't care about female sports (including the females themselves)
@garthcox4 Жыл бұрын
I think you'd have to be pretty naive to believe his claim that he didnt start taking EPO until shortly after his major victories in 2022
@Gabrielle4870 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't want to have to give the 1 million back
@alan_davis Жыл бұрын
Yes, the standard admission from a doper, " I did it, but I won all that stuff clean first". Just horseshit, every time.
@AntonKomarov Жыл бұрын
now we know how they train 😄🤌
@susigan Ай бұрын
Protecting Doctors like "I did alone" os the major error and problem
@timweiskat3321 Жыл бұрын
Collin Chartier is the biggest name caught using PED in triathlon?! Come on, thatˋs ridiculous. Nina Kraft had 3 Kona podiums and lost her victory 2004 because she took EPO. Brigitte MacMahon was olympic champion.
@simonwoods8809 Жыл бұрын
I hate drug cheats. Three years ban is pitiful. There should be mandatory life bans for this kind of thing and although Chartier says he is not coming back after this period he shouldn't be given the option.
@tim-williams Жыл бұрын
I agree. Anyone tests positive it should be a life ban for any sport. But Pro sport is filthy business, too many sin and do works of the flesh. The real athletes will only be known from heaven. This empire could easily clean up sports but it has money and special interests to maintain, which requires to keep pedalling the deception.
@chadindhaka Жыл бұрын
Jack, you are a very good interviewer, however, when you heard him contradict him self regarding "people at the top doping", why didn't you ask him specifically who he was referring too. With the IRONMAN CEO interview you really kept on him and asked direct questions over and over, with this interview i thought there were questions you could have kept asked him, but you didn't. Was there any reason why? These questions were much more important than the IRONMAN CEO interview. Thanks for letting me ask and thank you for the good podcast!
@Papahunty Жыл бұрын
He is friends with collin, didnt wanna burn that bridge I guess...
@busterhymen6331 Жыл бұрын
He is a fan boy.
@aptrendz1815 Жыл бұрын
Wake up guys! Endurance sport is no better since Lance, 64 Kenyans tested positive this year alone. If you’re not in dope, you’re not even trying. There are clean athletes. This is not the biggest doping in triathlon history.
@edrcozonoking Жыл бұрын
If the triathlon world thinks that their sport is clean...i have a bridge to sell them😂😂😂
@alaefarmestatesllc 10 ай бұрын
“Everyone on steroids” and anyone who thinks not shouldn’t reproduce
@TheBigBlueMarble Жыл бұрын
Those that use PEDs often have self-esteem issues. Despite their world class talent, it is not enough for them. Sad.
@azerty1933 Жыл бұрын
I love how the same things is happening in every single sport
@Meta-Drew Жыл бұрын
Pffft, if anyone really thought Tri was cleaner than other sports I have a bridge to sell you.
@marciomvp9458 Жыл бұрын
PTO and Ironman cannot close their eyes to the issue. All Top 20 athletes need to be tested or at least collect sample on monthly basis
@desmondyap5391 Жыл бұрын
Especially when huge amounts of money is involved
@DanielMooreDJ Жыл бұрын
I also feel like with the medical intelligence we have these days there’s an untraceable doping drug going round
@mykneegrow2819 Жыл бұрын
Of course. To be honest epo is mostly untraceable because they rarely test for it due to the costly nature of it. It would cost millions to test everyone for it because you would need randomised testing out of competition
@DanielMooreDJ Жыл бұрын
@@mykneegrow2819 didn’t know this! Thanks for the information
@jjhaydos9877 Жыл бұрын
look up genetic doping...
@samuelhong4272 Жыл бұрын
not untraceable just not tested for.
@JohnHowerton137 Жыл бұрын
Triathlon clean 😂🤣😂🤣 Funniest joke I've heard in months. Thanks for the laugh.
@wojciechkrause7240 Жыл бұрын
No professional sport is clean. Doping is ubiquitous and telling that it is not like a fairy tale for naive kids
@YTpickleballchannel Жыл бұрын
went from a relative zero to hero in12 months...yeah...that's normal...
@Woohoochan Жыл бұрын
Putting L carnitine and EPO in the same video is ridiculous
@jasonrichardwatts Жыл бұрын
How do they do it? Mitochondria can be genetically altered to have them feed off fat-based ketones, leading to much smaller, ketone-based rations capable of maintaining an athlete's peak performance for days at a time. Altered Mitochondria can better utilise ketones in order to rapidly restore ATP when cells deplete to ADP and AMP states during sustained intense exercise. Not a climber or a sprinter? No worries! It's possible to trigger changes to core cellular structures (aka "legal gene doping") by modifying fast/slow twitch fibre ratios. It's even possible to increase natural EPO production. Read Iñigo San Millán's literature, it explains it all in theory. Extras: Stem cell therapy. Muscle relaxants. Massage. Ice baths. IV nutrient/hydration drips. Cutting edge supplements. All of the aforementioned is "legal" and produces performances in excess of the Lance effect. Science has progressed significantly since the EPO days. P.S. People don't want to believe that their champions are doping and sport IS too big to fail. P.P.S. Scientists are also hunting genetic freaks so that they already start with a performance monster. Then it's a case of getting their numbers up as high as possible naturally and then using new scientific techniques to further improve and then maintain those numbers. The "10,000 hour athlete" model is out the window. It's quite reminiscent of horse and greyhound racing only the animals happen to be cyclists.
@spakkx Жыл бұрын
QD: I'd be highly surprised if over 5% of top level athletes are clean. The times in Iron Mans and long distance stuff, the way they finish those races plus history of doping...clear case if you ask me. Especially in endurance sports u can gain extreme advantages, pretty sure thats why cycling in itself has such a huge doping culture.
@guppy719 Жыл бұрын
Doping in cycling is super old. The question is why would Triathalon be different? What about it would keep people from doping? The answer is obviously nothing (and maybe low prize pools in the past but even then people dope for hardly anything).
@ln5747 Жыл бұрын
Nah not that extensive
@andrearatkovic4048 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Nina Kraft (2004) a big name? And L-Carnitine is definitely NOT out of the norm for athlete usage from body builders to endurance athletes; I’d venture to say it’s more of a staple in elite circles.
@grahamstrouse1165 Жыл бұрын
There’s a whiff of witch-hunting in this mess. The line between what constitutes “natural” training & “doping” is weird, blurry & sometimes doesn’t make much sense. Also, what about the technology that goes into the super-bikes & running shoes the athletes wear, technology which, frankly, most amateurs can’t afford. Is that cheating?
@alan_davis Жыл бұрын
@grahamstrouse1165 really? There's a rulebook, it tells you what isn't allowed. The grey area is pretty small - mainly around TUEs and methodology. There is an easy and obvious way to not break the rules... (unless you believe Contador's "dodgy steak" excuse, which few do...)
@andrearatkovic4048 Жыл бұрын
@@grahamstrouse1165 No, the powers that be only consider any type of motorized assistance or certain substances as performance enhancing. Many amateurs are able to afford more than what most pros can.😉. Only a few pros get big ticket items for free. It isn’t difficult to get your pro card. It IS difficult to be at the top of the pro fields. PS. In swimming ‘they’ deemed certain suits to be too much of an advantage; they were allowed one year and disallowed the next. I believe there may be an * next to any record that was set wearing the now banned suits.🤷♀️. I remember when caffeine (certain amounts) was banned.
@fernandovega5722 Жыл бұрын
Jimmy Riccitello was using PED's in the 1980's and he has admitted publicly in an argument with Paul Thomas about his experience with PED's so it's not like it's a new thing in tri-sports. I wouldn't be surprised to find out others having been involved in similar situations to enhance their performance.
@keithchun3973 Жыл бұрын
All along I could have swore it was the maple syrup.
@Tupsx57 10 ай бұрын
The bigger the money (sponsors and prize pool) the higher the propensity for cheating.
@rayF4rio Жыл бұрын
After 50 yrs of managing people in the Military and industry in large scale mfg environments with 100"s of employees working self directed, my experience helped me develop this rule, regarding human behavior and actions: If I you see it happen once, its probably not the first or only time its happened; If you see it happen (witness it) twice, its happening all the time, its just something you have not been aware of, or conscious of. So one positive doping test while sad, does not automatically mean the sport is tainted. If another athlete pops, then rest assured, its a problem in the sport. Regarding Collin, for sure he did not start doping AFTER his best performances, that's just beyond credibility.
@FaiscaaaH Жыл бұрын
Fans believed that the sport was clean?? Were they blind?? Do you think it's possible to do what the guys that win do, being clean?? Eating broccolis with rice and water? 🤡🤡🤡
@caymanfrigate Жыл бұрын
The fact that these drugs are sold online answers the question
@jonathandock8416 Жыл бұрын
It's only the tip of the iceberg, wait until all sports are tested 😂😂😂
@Amanda_K_001 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing the L-Cartanine usage....let's talk about how many athletes think it is acceptable to be in this gray area? Are injections common? There have been several high profile triathletes testing positive over the years, Bekle for one who somehow proved his body naturally produced the substance and went on to continue competing and winning several IM..cycling, swimming, and running all have history with EPO, why would triathlons be any different?
@smb06 Жыл бұрын
L Cartanine isn't exactly a "drug" there's high concentrations in red meat... injecting it is a bit shady, yes.. but it can be ingested through eating a lot of beef or likely though even powders and such (like pre workouts)
@anthhub Жыл бұрын
There is a big difference between man on the street clean and passing drug testing clean.
@nelocarbon3284 Жыл бұрын
3:55 ah a fellow man of culture enjoying the site of Nibali getting beaten💪🏼
@TheSportsman1977 Жыл бұрын
He’s definitely not the only one! It’s rife at the top of the age group racing as well. Pisses me right off! Still, at least I’m less likely to have health issues later in life
@justinbouchard Жыл бұрын
anyone thinks that professional athletes at the top of their game aren't doing as much as possible to be at the top is just delerium
@KlemenSuligojTri Жыл бұрын
Great video Jack, thank you
@rossbroomfield5199 Жыл бұрын
To all those in the comments so insistent that triathlon and sport in general is so fucked and can't understand how anyone can run faster that a 20 minute 5k without doping. Maybe you are right, but I'm going to set out a few arguments as to why people are getting faster without the use of drugs. Firstly technology is always improving - the weight and aero savings seen on bikes is going to knock minutes of compared with 20 years ago. Similarly with wetsuits and shoes although not quite as big a benefit. Nutrition science has come on leaps and bounds and fuelling really is large part of particularly long course triathlon, similarly training techniques are always evolving and getting better. Secondly more people are competing than ever before, triathlon is a young sport that's experienced massive growth. More competition improves performance in general as well as it being more likely that some freak of nature is going to take up the sport and demolish everyone (admittedly this argument can be used for increased doping as well) . Also I think most people don't realise how how invasive and thorough anti-doping testing is by the likes of wada - its arguably harder to stay clean than it is to fail a doping test (meaning given how we don't see constant doping test failures the athletes are more likely to be clean). With the exception of state sponsored doping that's got hundreds of millions of dollars behind it (i.e. Russia) its very hard to cheat and triathletes don't have that kind of wealth. And at the end of the day - why do you follow triathlon, watch and comment on videos about triathlon (or any other sport) if you are so eager to point out its all a lie, try to destroy the reputation the sport and the enjoyment of those that love it. Are you just here to irritate people like me because you can always fall back on the argument, "oh we just don't have the technology to detect certain substances" and there's no answer for that. Are you salty that you tried to make it but didn't have the graft and discipline to succeed so need to tear down those who do? Put yourself in the athletes shoes for a minute. You've given up 10+ years of your life working hard training 5-6 hours a day, barely socialising outside your sport, not "going out and having fun", following a strict regimented lifestyle, being constantly tired, thoroughly checking what goes in and out of your body, having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent with just doping controllers and other athletes to produce enough urine to be tested when you should be out celebrating. All so you can say you are the best in the world at something but someone says "pff, no biggie I could be the best if I cheated". I mean most have learnt to ignore it but still it's got to hurt a little bit. Any of you ever heard of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". It's the basis of judicial systems around the world and quite an important concept to understand if you want true justice in the world. Either provide some actual evidence that there is widespread cheating (beyond just "they're too fast") or keep quiet until you do and let those of us that enjoy the sport have our happiness.
@samtheman7860 Жыл бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree.
@okantichrist Жыл бұрын
I’m not going to read all of that😂
@anetea.3903 Жыл бұрын
Some good points, but so emotional! Not gonna comment on everything, but you say 5-6 hours of training a day - that's a little bit too much (I'd say 4-5 on average, with some exceptions). "Having to wait 3+ hours after an event in a tent (..) when you should be out celebrating" - it's normal for THEM, it's a pro athlete life. And not really celebrating, but more like resting probably.
@PhiyackYuh Жыл бұрын
This person self identify himself as “im a fooking triathlete” whenever he swim bike and run training thinking they are hot shit. But as soon as things go real these facker will be calling cops yelling assault. Mate, nobody gives a fook how much or many you can train if you think you are better than anyone. Thats why you and others needs some humble pie from bjj and mma people 😂 you guys aint all that. Its a hobby after all. If u know u know.
@josephdanner773 Жыл бұрын
20 minutes is slow for a natty. I know multiple clean high schoolers that went sub 15. I was bottom of varsity, top of jv in the 17s
@thisstuschannel Жыл бұрын
He said in the interview he learnt how to do it on the internet, yet his LinkedIn profile says otherwise. He seemed to have technical knowledge in blood. How and Why did he not bring this up? Would at least have backed up his claim of working alone....
@aptrendz1815 Жыл бұрын
Omertà!
@listrahtes Жыл бұрын
He certainly wasn't alone. You can't hide that in close knitted training groups like triathlon. This goes at least a level higher
@tri7272 Жыл бұрын
Oh the Drama.... If u know the real epo usage in this sport it would blow your mind.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
can you develop this thought?
@tri7272 Жыл бұрын
@@iiii2903 in time it will show.
@markphilpottultra Жыл бұрын
This is the sport of Triathlon's equivalent to Cycling's Festina Affair of 1998. A moment in time when the rabbit, that everyone had suspected was there, came out of the hat. Let's not be naive enough to think for one minute that Colin is a lone wolf, rather, like Armstrong was, a scapegoat for the entire peloton. We have all watched world record times in the Ironman distance get slashed in recent years, as 'drug avoidance' has become more sophisticated. It was never good enough to believe that lactate testing and marginal gains were the only way to get onto the podium. Like in Armstrongs era, you have to match fire with fire. It is now up to the sport to prove it is serious in attempting to clean this up, or we will end up with what is going on in marathon running, and cycling still today. The names may have changed, but the villains are still there.
@Karr1711 Жыл бұрын
calling lance a scapegoat is so stupid, if he hadn't made the sport as much money as he did through the american market he would've been popped even earlier. uci tried their best to protect him. also the "fire with fire" is a bit weird when he and his team built the most sophisticated and expensive doping program in the peloton.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
@@Karr1711 I remember the US postal debuts....one season they lost everything, next season they won everything....this is when I stopped watching bike races...
@alan_davis Жыл бұрын
Armstrong as a scapegoat? Don't make me laugh. Ran the most notorious drug program in cycling and protected it with threats.
@MrZwemtechniek Жыл бұрын
When choosing to show prior epo users, perhaps don't show someone that has been cleared of all charges (Rutger Beke)
@alan_davis Жыл бұрын
Although he was officially cleared, due to testing methodology, you won't find many people who believe he was actually clean. But maybe that's more down to the cynicism of other?
@shepshape2585 Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, how fortunate that he didn't start doping until AFTER he won all that money, otherwise he'd probably get sued and have to pay it all back. (insert amazingly huge eyeroll here)
@danjo1967 Жыл бұрын
i feel a bit sorry for lionel... i think is probably more devastating for him now he will have his good rep (possibly) tarnished by association.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
Given his ratio training/results....I think he may be the only one in this sport not doping....😂😂
@yeyeTF2 Жыл бұрын
in most videos from other pro atheletes talking about this they all say "I know this is NOT an isolated incident" then go on to say they don't have evidence, but strongly emphasize they know of others. pretty interesting stuff coming to light finally
@hafu68 Жыл бұрын
The doping case of Collin Chartier is a really big scandal but also a strong sign of the effectiveness and importance of out of competition testing (OOC) in professional triathlon sport. In the past there were often issues of problems with financing these test on a regular basis, so as a result there were often to few testing outside of the big races. With the actual significant growing of professional triathlon supported by the efforts and financial ressources of the PTO there is a good chance that the financial basis of the anti-doping-fight is far better so we are going to see more testing in training. The actual doping scandal may be kind of a wake up call that professional triathlon do everything possible to stays as clean as possible.
@franz009franz Жыл бұрын
i've said it and i'll say it again: cycling is probably one of the more "clean" sports out therre right now compared to every other high endurance sport, simply cuz all eyes are on it at all times. if you would open these eyes in other disciplines, look behind closed doors as it is common now in cycling, you would have huge scandals everywhere. now i don't think cycling is clean at all, but it's probably much more sublte and soft than it used to be and than it still is in every other major sport.
@cliffkennell3854 Жыл бұрын
I think you forgot Nina Kraft. This sport is filthy. And if people don't think the Norwegians aren't doping you are incredibly ignorant or naive. Or both. Some athletes just have the means to hide it with support systems.
@bubbastard Жыл бұрын
I'd look at his coach and training partners.
@KeatB Жыл бұрын
The coach will have known. No one improves that quickly without a decent coach at least raising an eyebrow.
@Alh359 Жыл бұрын
They tested his blood lactate, but not his hemoglobin? 😂
@AGMTB. Жыл бұрын
I personally don't get it. Unless it's for monetary gain, these victories are just so hollow. I would never get any satisfaction knowing that I'm cheating to win. Unless it is a case of "Others are doing it, so I do it to keep up" bs...
@matthewdavies6470 Жыл бұрын
its hard to believe in a sport with such poor out of comp testing. Dont ask dont tell wont cut it.
@LR6092 Жыл бұрын
Everyone winning is doped
@GNP999 Жыл бұрын
Precisely
@KeatB Жыл бұрын
If any sport where people can compete at an elite level and win million dollar prizes alongside 6 figure sponsorships actually believes it’s clean then it’s being delusional. This is elite sport with huge rewards for being the best. People will cheat.
@PhiyackYuh Жыл бұрын
Huge prize? These guys are in the wrong sports for a pro. Anyone would be happy being bench players earning millions for years in the nba that these guys will never achieve in their pro career 😂
@KeatB Жыл бұрын
@@PhiyackYuh maybe. But none of these guys have the genetics to get into the NBA. They play the hand they’re dealt.
@KushPizzaSleep Жыл бұрын
I’m sure sanders had no idea 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
Sanders is involved in a different sport : Reality triathlon. A mix of reality show and fitness. If he ever starts doping, it's only because his followers will ask for more drama, not for performance.🤣
@KushPizzaSleep Жыл бұрын
@@iiii2903 that’s like saying the guys who rode and lived with Lance and were both coached by Dr Ferrari were clean LOL
@fredsimon Жыл бұрын
There have been studies done. 15% of AG use some performance enhancement products. Cheaper and more systematic testing should become the norm.
@fa7471987 Жыл бұрын
more like 15% don't..
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
knowing that only 20% of ironman finishers actually "run" the marathon, one can then assess that almost everyone seen running on an IM triathlon is on drugs....?
@gordanpetkovic5533 Жыл бұрын
Performance enhancement products are not automaticly doping
@Amadeusz90 Жыл бұрын
Nice and concise overview of the situation, thanks. With that being said, let me quote Nate Diaz from UFC: "everybody's on steroids". I refuse to believe that the sport is completely clean when I take into consideration what it's derived from. Where money is involved, shortcuts will be used. Besides, isn't it the only endurance discipline that didn't have major doping scandal? People are also extremely gullible, we have genetic freaks like Nick Bare claiming 100% natty status (who can bench 3x his weight and run sub 3 marathon) and nobody bats an eye. I refuse to believe that perfectly clean sport exists, other than things that don't require great athletic peformance, like curling or darts. Seriously, how many huge scandals do we need before people realise that doping is here to stay?
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
And when money is not involved, ego is.
@burger8954 Жыл бұрын
Cycling Fans: First time? 😅
@russellayton6408 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes. Cheating and then crossing the finish line pretending you deserve it.
@maxquirk6688 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure the coach with the most advanced data monitoring system in the sport didn’t know he was doping! And I’m sure the guy he was living with at the time with the same coach also didn’t know 🙄🙄🤡
@dbk81 Жыл бұрын
There’s a reason Lionel Sanders stopped working with Mikal.
@cphilipbrown Жыл бұрын
Not really. Mikal is a private coach with limited resources. Olav Alexander is the Norwegian Federation coach with considerably more resources that are not available to Mikal’s athletes. He can’t tell much from a .7ml lactate sample no matter how many he takes.
@cphilipbrown Жыл бұрын
@@dbk81 only Lionel knows for sure, but his stated reason is that he has his worst year as a professional. Too much volume, tempo and aerobic threshold work and not enough high end or recovery for him
@dbk81 Жыл бұрын
@@cphilipbrown Sanders has definitely gone through a few coaches over the years
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
Give them some credit...they just thought that IVs were a fancy way to get more mapple syrup in
@woopimagpie Жыл бұрын
The modern doping regimes are miles ahead of the testing methods. Athletes only get caught when being extremely careless, using old programs with older gen drugs (like Collin was), or both. I imagine there's some substances in use that aren't even tested for yet.
@davidhauton7643 Жыл бұрын
Sorry stopped competing at club level ages ago 'cos people were even cheating there. Now I can't even watch sport any more. Now only ride for myself, for the fun.....
@cyclingninja6780 Жыл бұрын
The disparity gap between pro sports and “ normal” society is quite impressive. This Double Standard is quite real. This guy got popped for taking a drug to help him do his job in the most successful way he could…. That’s pretty much how Hollywood, US ball sports, and probably every single Fortune 500 CEO rolls. Once people can get over what it is that they are watching, this conversation will cease to exist. That being said…. USADA…everyone is waiting for you to spill the frijoles on NFL,MLB, NHL, NBA ( oh wait I already mentioned American football), and pretty much all Big Ten colleges. Just sayin….
@durianriders Жыл бұрын
Sanders is NOT as hydrated as he could be. Look how DRY Sanders looks. When Sanders stops caring how he looks in the mirror he will start performing his best.
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
The point of Sanders is not to perform, it's to get money from his sponsors who like him because of his huge fan base....
@maxIehner Жыл бұрын
I think the bit about L-CaRNITINE (not L-cartinine like you somehow pronounced it) is a bit ignorant addition. Its an amino acid, and a benign one at that as far as usage by athletes goes. to say its outside of the norm for performance is just weird. carnitine is no more serious than taking a good multivitamin and electrolytes to supplement training..
@Here2shtpst Жыл бұрын
The hardest endurance sport is the cleanest? Lmaoo.
@danfuerthgillis4483 Жыл бұрын
Any Cycling sport that requires or has uses for a $17,000 TT bike is a complete joke in my opinion.
@sean9820 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who doesn't believe doping is widely present at the elite levels of all sport is simply naïve or uninformed. Your feigned shock at him admitting to taking something as benign as l-carnitine loses any respect or objectivity as a member of the sport world.
@ImDaBoss795 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean L-Carnitine is literally just an amino acid. They sell the shit in walmart. And if one feels like downing enough, one can get the same effect from just drinking the powder.
@julius131 Жыл бұрын
Is the next episode of the Podcast still coming out?
@troycollett8540 Жыл бұрын
No way he’s telling the truth
@irl-cyclist01 Жыл бұрын
They are all doping
@Chance-ry1hq Жыл бұрын
😂now when they get caught they try to fast track to the redemption faze by admitting their guilt and going for sympathy, blaming psychological reasons.
@gavinhicks3474 Жыл бұрын
Scraping the surface. Doping is huge in triathlon and the testing protocols poor
@iiii2903 Жыл бұрын
yep....there is an interesting video made by TJ tolakson in which he says that he had a pro triathlete buddy who got tested 20 times, when himself almost never...why...? because the buddy was living close to the offices of the anti doping agency, as him was living in some america remote place....hilarious....
@LaitoChen Жыл бұрын
LMAO, I didn't know people performed triathlons without doping. That's another level of naivety
@Kevin_Aus Жыл бұрын
The Icarus doco highlighted how even amateur athletes are doping.
@tabstabs1204 Жыл бұрын
Scott Molina who won Embrun and Hawaii was also convicted of doping, and he was a bigger name on those days !!
@prowrench7989 Жыл бұрын
You are obviously forgetting Nina Kraft in '04.
@cphilipbrown Жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone forgets it, but it’s been a long time between drinks. This one has a high profile because we live in a day and age where information moves so quickly.
@prowrench7989 Жыл бұрын
@@cphilipbrown I just find the title a bit over the top... At best the biggest Doping Scandal of 2022. Unless this story ultimately connects bigger names to him (Chartier), I'll hardly find this story to be triathlon's biggest doping scandal. I unfortunately lump the Chartier saga into a small chapter of the doping history of the sport.
@robinmatthews2997 Жыл бұрын
once again great video, keep it up!!
@pavanatanaya Жыл бұрын
Ironman self polices. Thats enough to know it has been going on for some time Bad for the brand keeps things hush hush
@sanderschat Жыл бұрын
Ah yes... the ego... "i want more, faster and sooner"
@bambamdives Жыл бұрын
Lol u really brought up L fuc***ng carnitine?!?! Cmon man. If that's not baiting idk what is
@jfloyo11 Жыл бұрын
We need to be fully investigating EVERYONE that was around him including LIONEL, his coach Eden etc etc etc etc.
@pitti2602 Жыл бұрын
For me one of the strangest things happening for the last couple of years is that relatively young athletes and athletes who have been focussing on short distances can win long distances as well. And while in general young people of course can take the training load more easy there had been some strong evidence that fat burning also works better older athletes. Currently thats sth which seems to be no longer valid and for me is therefore highly suspicious. Records are really just broken by technology in this sport - especially running in the last 3years. But thats sth. which for me is reasonable. But people seemingly switching easily between olympic distance and long distance or tdf winners at 21years, but also success which is strongly related to the nations the athletes are starting for seems to be very strange.
@MrFlippyFlops Жыл бұрын
Great video. It's disheartening to find inspiration in these athletes who turn out to be on PED's. I wish the stigma around PED's was less of what it is, in all athletics. We need to have stricter testing and punishments for cheaters in competition, but also transparency from influencers of supplements and aesthetics. Proposition: 2 classes of event, natural and enhanced. Allows true competition to take place, and also a class of what is capable with enhancements. Like what happened with bodybuilding.
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