The biggest punishment in Premier League history
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Everton have been given the heaviest points deduction in Premier League history.
It is a ruling which puts them at serious risk of relegation and it’s a judgement they also intend to appeal.
How did they get here? What have they done wrong? Why are they going to appeal?
Explained by Patrick Boyland and Matt Slater.
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@mactire6045 5 ай бұрын
The fact that nothing has ever happened to Man City or earlier Chelsea but this happened to Everton is just hilarious.
@mrshrimpeugene 5 ай бұрын
If 1 ffp charge equals 10 point so man city would be in the regional league
@W_CPT 5 ай бұрын
City has enough money to get away with pretty much anything and they will get away with it because the premier league is as corrupt as FIFA. The same can’t be said for smaller clubs like Everton.
@joshanna7507 5 ай бұрын
and we know that nothing will happen to man city@@mrshrimpeugene
@MrMurgen 5 ай бұрын
@@mrshrimpeugene Its the same with Fifa Financial Fair play there they put a bunch of thiefs in charge to catch the thiefs? Dont you think that works?
@ericmunene688 5 ай бұрын
I agree
@hunsler1006 5 ай бұрын
All the premier league have done here is make sure any future clubs (who might unintentionally get close to the limit) will refuse to be cooperative, appeal every step, hinder the investigation and drag it out for years like another club has done 🙄
@XboneMalone 5 ай бұрын
But that won't wash. They all have to submit accounts & if in danger (like Everton were) discuss and agree plans to improve. Carrying on spending on players (of the calibre of Neil Maupay, for example), which is what Everton did, will only serve to keep increase their culpability. Not playing ball will just antagonise the PL/Commission and be accounted for in any punishment meted out. City, if found guilty, will fall foul big time because of this. But it remains to be seen if anyone alive at the time the charges were brought will live long enough to see the outcome of that case.
@hunsler1006 5 ай бұрын
@@XboneMalone you seem to be missing the point. Yes they have to submit figures, but Everton's is quick because they admitted to it. They did impose a self inflicted salary cap (and like the video suggests) sold richarlison when they didn't really want to. My point is, after Everton did what they could to make amends, they're still being hammered. It's hard to see how Everton wouldn't be in a better place if they had ignored the rules. Would they have been in a relegation fight if they had signed Luis Diaz (who only fell apart due to this salary cap) and kept hold of Richarlison (not to mention other transactions and signings). If they had those players would they be more likely to stay up this season (even if it was upped to 15 points). Yeah absolutely. So all that happens here is other clubs will see that, think we'll we'll get hammered even when we try our best to work with them, might as well drag it out endlessly.
@hunsler1006 5 ай бұрын
@@XboneMalone also odd you said that won't was when it has done for years, and it's city who agreed the trial date.
@XboneMalone 5 ай бұрын
@@hunsler1006 If Everton hadn't spent money on Maupay, they would have still been in the Premier League and been closer to the limit than they were (the fee is officially undisclosed, however it's alleged to be close to £15m). He scored 1 league goal in 29 league appearances. I used that as an example of them carrying on like they were when they knew 2 years back they were in trouble and chose NOT to change spending. My point is THEY chose NOT to implement their agreed plan and found themselves in it.
@XboneMalone 5 ай бұрын
@@hunsler1006 we will have to wait and see won't we, but again - the ONLY club to employ the uncooperative approach is City. The PL haven't found either way yet. Them agreeing to a trial date is irrelevant and I'm baffled by you using that as some sort of rebuttal. If Everton hadn't played ball, it stands to reason the penalty would have been higher no? Hence why I said the tactic won't wash if others adopt it and are found guilty. Glad I can clear that obvious and glaring point up
@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 5 ай бұрын
The fact that Everton are getting pinged for obviously overspending compared to their size while an Oil club that can't even fill their own stadium bought 3 RB's for $60m+ in 18 months is insanity to me. I bet Everton don't show up with 1000 lawyers for example.
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
-hate -fake news -literally admit guilt
@cityzens634 5 ай бұрын
Man City are the best run club in the world. Jealous?🤣🤣🤣
@nigelbaldwin1038 5 ай бұрын
@@cityzens634 🤡
@liverbot4854 5 ай бұрын
@@cityzens634 I’d say Heidenheim have been better run. Speaking of City, you can be well-run but also have extremely dubious beginnings.
@cityzens634 5 ай бұрын
@@liverbot4854 cry some more you jealous scouse c@&t! 🤣
@CanMav 5 ай бұрын
And yet Man City and Chelsea remain without punishment. The system is broken.
@sechabatheletsane9784 5 ай бұрын
Chelsea has been punished before. If anything, they're most likely to get harshly punished. Nothing will happen to City.
@shepardice3775 5 ай бұрын
Even though it's unlikely City will get punished, the trial hasn't even started yet. Because there are so many charges it will take far longer, especially with their legal team doing everything possible to bog it down.
@dylanb.117 5 ай бұрын
You aren't the sharpest
@Sunset4633 5 ай бұрын
They said they'll investigate City's charges and a result will come out in 2025. Read the news.
@joepiekl 5 ай бұрын
The system is working fine. One club admitted wrongdoing so got punished. Another club denied it, so it's going through the legal process. Thankfully we don't live in a country where the only thing needed to convict is a load of bitter journalists who support rival clubs writing allegations as if they're fact.
@oliverhughes610 5 ай бұрын
What's especially nuts about this is that the deduction itself could result in lower prize money, especially if it results in relegation. That could lead to further charges down the line.
@scipioafricanus2212 5 ай бұрын
All of this compounded by the fact Everton are being sued by multiple clubs for 100m each. I think their legal cases are pathetic and should be thrown out, but they won't and they will probably win. That could send Everton into admin resulting in further penalties.
@robertcook2572 5 ай бұрын
That's the whole point. How else are they to be punished?
@bens4602 5 ай бұрын
@@scipioafricanus2212What I don’t get about the clubs suing them is that surely they should be suing the PL instead for not acting earlier, not Everton (and yes it’s a weak case all round).
@rikachu571 5 ай бұрын
Had they kept to the rules and not overspent they may well have been relegated.
@scipioafricanus2212 5 ай бұрын
@@bens4602 agreed. But what makes me laugh is their case basically bowls down to the purchase of Nathan Patterson from Rangers being the reason they got relegated. Which is hysterical if you ask me
@jzilla1234 5 ай бұрын
Evertons owners were too honest. All they needed to do was follow the city model and get a company related to the owners to pay a massive, unrealistic, inflated sponsorship fee to pad out their income. Etihad/Emirates airlines, anyone? If you put every city fan on a long Haul Emirates/etihad flight - that's 50000x£300 = £15m. Barely one players wages. But they sold the stadium naming rights in 2011 to "dubai based" etihad for £400m. Then even more for shirt sponsorship
@yungtrashlord 5 ай бұрын
sounds about right😂😂😂
@dogdog2635 5 ай бұрын
It was legal back then. Wah
@joepiekl 5 ай бұрын
In the time from when Etihad first started sponsoring City, they went from making $4bn a year in revenue to $9bn. Maybe you should look at your own club and ask why a company with a revenue of just $600m is able to pay $60m a year to be on the shirts of an average team that can't even get out of a Champions League group with Galatasaray and Copenhagen in it.
@carlosdikilu6409 5 ай бұрын
That average team has more supporters than all the other English teams and even if they have been struggling, United still attract a lot of interests. And BTW, they still have a chance to qualify
@owl-arm7545 5 ай бұрын
@@joepiekl"an average team that can't even get out of a Champions League group".... I'm no United fan (far from it), but average teams don't qualify for the Champions League
@spkra8798 5 ай бұрын
Premier League is painting itself into a corner with this action, now it must be equally severe with other clubs in breach or it may face serious backlash from the clubs, stuff like this leads to the reformation of leagues.
@akmalbasyhaazis 5 ай бұрын
have such reforms actually happened in any leagues? preferably european?
@spkra8798 5 ай бұрын
@@akmalbasyhaazis Yeah.. like the Premier League in 1992.
@BigPurp9 5 ай бұрын
As much as I feel bad for Everton I think that’s the point of the verdict. With all this govt talk of an independent regulator the PL is trying to show they can manage themselves. And IF city are proven guilty I’d expect they’ll face total expulsion from the league
@spkra8798 5 ай бұрын
@@BigPurp9 exactly, but i think everyone knows that wont happen, ultimately the EPL prioritises the profitability of the league and penalizing City so severely might be expensive for advertisers and other reasons. Not to mention they literally talk about this being a “deterrant”, does that mean they wont penalise teams in the future as severely?
@jackmiller-johnston8689 5 ай бұрын
I think the EFL will get 14 more clubs because they'll just announce their withdrawal from PL competition. Why would they waste their time in an openly-bent league?
@MelkorRules 5 ай бұрын
Everton over spent because of the building of the new multi miliion pound stadium. Some clubs just got new stadiums handed over to them at the taxpayers expense. Go figure.
@johanhalvarsson2148 5 ай бұрын
Isn't stadium loans excempt from these rules though? I know it's a gripe of some arsenal fans that they payed off their loans too quickly and now have to balance those figures to fit into the rules framework.
@shadow_realm47 5 ай бұрын
@@johanhalvarsson2148 West Ham got a free stadium and the League went out of their way to help the Spurs when they were getting a new one themselves. Arsenal who did the right thing had to bear with 15 years of being mid just to afford the stadium the right way.
@garybrereton7521 5 ай бұрын
Everton have the 3rd lowest net spend in the league over the past 5yrs. And the 12th highest wage bill ( from last season) of £43M. In comparison Man Utd’s was £222M. A better comparison is Leicester’s…. At £79M. Other sums that weren’t considered by the league’s panel ( to call Leeds’ lawyer and West Ham’s finance director, Independent is laughable), were the £30M sponsorship lost by the Ukraine war. And the £200M deal with USM was ignored… they stated a war was not a significant event with regards to business dealings. And that COVID was the same for everyone. Everton didn’t argue that… they argued that COVID affect their projections under PSR. Under FFP, Everton would’ve had no issues whatsoever. Because the big elephant in the room is a £750M stadium. Corrupt is too small a word for these charlatans.
@arthurmathebula5011 5 ай бұрын
Man united are not even stable financially because of the glazers but they still haven’t went into administration,why? Easy they have the best fan base in the world you can’t compare Real Madrid,man united and Barcelona to small clubs like man city and Chelsea in revenue city claim to have made more revenue than anyone last season but that doesn’t sound right
@garybrereton7521 5 ай бұрын
@@arthurmathebula5011 Everton & Utd are in the same league. The fact you feel you can’t or shouldn’t compare both clubs is testament to the unfairness within the league. My comparison wasn’t to criticise Man Utd as a club, more to say that the disparity between any clubs in the same league is as a result of the leagues policy to give to the clubs at the top, whilst hindering other clubs. For reference… Everton aren’t in administration, they’re not even close. They were given a 10pt penalty for a £6.5M overspend per year, based on the leagues new PSR rules. Under FFP, Everton wouldn’t have broken their new rules.
@TheInsideVideo 5 ай бұрын
You're selectively choosing to ignore the years before that when we massively overspent.
@bens4602 5 ай бұрын
And not enough is being said about investment in infrastructure being seen as necessary for losses in the PSRs - meaning the losses can be justified. Good point on the panel too.
@DannyOConnor1991 5 ай бұрын
Spot on. Great comment. Shame The Athletic, Sky and all these other sh*thouse companies are too scared to lose their VIP passes behind the scenes, so won't call out the 'clear and obvious' corruption. Pardon the refereeing pun.
@will_from_pa 5 ай бұрын
The punishment is harsher than when Portsmouth went into administration.
@dozenazer1811 5 ай бұрын
Not an Everton fan at all but Sean Dyche has already done something crazy, winning 4 out of 5 matches after punishment. That's a huge admiration to fans, footballers and coach uniting against the common enemy in face of EPL and making it out of relegation zone.
@misterkunnyfunt 5 ай бұрын
I dont think anyone in their right mind could blame Everton for the multiple shitstorms they have endured. this isnt pay to win, its pay to survive in a brutal recent environment.
@celtic69 5 ай бұрын
at the expense of clubs who played by the rules, they stayed up 2 seasons in a row via cheating
@Haakonisak 5 ай бұрын
@@celtic69 Oh please, at least TRY to make the impression of that you know what you are talking about
@celtic69 5 ай бұрын
@@Haakonisak Everton literally admitted to knowingly breaking the rules, that’s called cheating little man
@Haakonisak 5 ай бұрын
@@celtic69 As you are using words like "little man" when you are talking to someone you don't even know, believe me, you are shorter than my 6"3
@celtic69 5 ай бұрын
@@Haakonisak am 6’5
@DimShamrock 5 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, teams like Panathinaikos with multiple point deductions are watching this and laugh.
@abdulrahmanishola364 5 ай бұрын
Chelsea have been given a transfer ban🙄
@user-fu1hz3fn2t 5 ай бұрын
@@abdulrahmanishola364 And we've been deducted 30 points in 7 years, including a -11 ban in 1 year. And we weren't allowed to play in Europe the next. What's your point?
@nigelbaldwin1038 5 ай бұрын
Didn’t realise Panathinaikosssssssssss were in the Premier League 🤔
@carsonn6895 5 ай бұрын
From an evertonian. This is a greatly informative video to the neutral. I think this video should have also compared Middlesbrough -9 point deduction in 2009. And this video also lacks mention of the much more serious charges at other clubs that haven’t been punished due to their lack of cooperation with the PL. it should also be mentioned that the scale for punishment provided by the PL that was created after Everton were charged and the offense had taken place.
@carsonn6895 5 ай бұрын
@@barrychopsticks while I agree about not getting stuck in the weeds. These are fair complaints I feel could’ve used at least a brief mention. I think this video was very neutral, informative, and accurate. Which gives me a lot of faith in their journalistic practices for other videos I’m uninformed about. And it’s rough out here supporting the pistons😭 brighter days are ahead, but only because it cannot get any worse than it is now🤣😭
@christianjade5145 5 ай бұрын
The deduction still won't be enough to relegate them. At least, they can take comfort from that. The difference of quality between the promoted teams and other teams in the league is so massive. However, what seemed to be a very comfortable season made it a little more difficult but I reckon they'll stay up.
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
Luton are picking up - ask Liverpool.
@davidtomlinson6138 5 ай бұрын
I agree , there's enough worse teams in league , for Everton to survive
@vanderwulf6125 5 ай бұрын
@@johnburns4017 Even if Luton picks up, I think Nottingham Forest are comfortably worse than Everton with only a 6pts gap at this stage of the season. The other 2 sides don't seem to have much promise either.
@e_eyster 5 ай бұрын
@@vanderwulf6125 If you look at odds... most likely ones are around: SheffU (-1600) Luton (-370) Burnley (-160) Everton (+250) Bournemouth (+500) Forest (+550)
@carsonn6895 5 ай бұрын
Lets give Liverpool a points deduction because they won’t win the league this year anyway. That’s dumb logic.
@dylanwest2683 5 ай бұрын
As an Everton fan Joe relegating himself to voiceovers just heaps more anger and sadness on this wounded heart
@bens4602 5 ай бұрын
As I understand, their main reason (or one) for the losses was financing the Bramley Moore Dock stadium. Everton’s appeal doesn’t rest on denying the losses but on proving they were necessary. As the video states, expenditure on stadia/infrastructure is permitted, in which case their sanction would likely be made entirely void, or heavily reduced. It came across as the Premier League either posturing to prove something was done about FFP or power hunger, likely the former, and it should come to a fair conclusion for Everton, despite the stress. Nasty to make them an example, but it’s too tough to get any proof amidst the City resistance and lack of Chelsea evidence.
@JimmyWuffster 5 ай бұрын
Waiting for the 100 point deduction to Man City in March or something based on this
@kierran5021 5 ай бұрын
Everton got hammered here despite massive extenuating circumstances. This is what happens with honesty when today. Imagine suggesting an error in getting £60m for richarlison was bad business as well 😂😂😂
@bens4602 5 ай бұрын
Pretty good business if you ask me, £30m per goal.
@DannyOConnor1991 5 ай бұрын
They turned down £85m from Barcelona during the Pandemic. But Ancelotti had recently arrived. So they weren't going to sell one of his best players as soon as he got there. Also, hindsight is a beautiful thing. And just because a player is good, doesn't mean it'll work out at a particular club (there's plenty of that historically). But Everton were essentially given a deadline to sell Richarlison (when he didn't even want to leave). Meaning other clubs could simply wait for the deadline and artificially lower his price due to Everton's desperation. It's not about how much you think a player is worth to you. It's about how much he was worth to Everton. Especially since he kept them in the PL almost single-handedly.
@kierran5021 5 ай бұрын
@@DannyOConnor1991 agree with this but getting 85m in an extremely volatile environment may have looked like a poor offer at the time and conversely 60m was not a bad offer when it was accepted. Now 20m for him wouldn’t be bad. For the panel to decide what Everton should have done with any Richarlison bid is a disgrace, especially given Barcelona’s current financial situation.
@DannyOConnor1991 5 ай бұрын
@@kierran5021 Hey I don't think £60m was bad either. Though I do think £20m is nowhere near his current value - he's just not fitting in at Spurs. You don't become a bad player over night. But at the same time, it's not mad to think Everton could have expected more. Especially when we've seen other players signed for bigger money. Sancho, Antony, Caicedo, etc. Just to name a few. Problem is, these type of discussions aren't really the issue. This entire process has been corrupt from the very beginning. Whether it's the rules themselves and their supposed intent (and how they protect the elite clubs), rule changes at suspicious times, the chosen yet 'independent' commission (some of which have vested interests in the outcome), etc. The whole thing stinks, but none of the companies (Such as Tifo/The Athletic or Sky) are willing to call it out because they'll lose their VIP passes. Not saying you are btw. But no other football fan should be celebrating what is happening, nor calling for more punishment (which I see all the time). The fans and players are being punished, while those who caused the problems (the ownership) are getting away with it. it's sickening. And this has the potential to do some real damage to the English game as a whole, in the near future. But suppose we'll have to wait and see. Cheers for the chat anyway.
@shadow_realm47 5 ай бұрын
@@DannyOConnor1991 he would do better at a Brighton for example. I also think the him being transferred wasn't good for him cus of his family demanding money from him and creating havoc in his personal life :((
@bluecheese4877 5 ай бұрын
Everton were warned repeatedly by the PL, but went on to spend an astonishing £470M more than they earned over 5 years. For the 3 year period under review, that total was £371.8M (vs £105M losses) These figures will dwarf any breaches by Chelsea or City.
@jetorixjones 4 ай бұрын
1 charge is dwarfed by the 110+ by City alone, you nitwit.
@MitchWebb94 5 ай бұрын
Only saving grace is I hope the Premier League are using this case to strengthen precedent for their conclusions against City and/or Chelsea
@theqaz1828 5 ай бұрын
There is only one of 3 reasons these (FFP) rules exist: 1. Fairness. Which it's not as if it was about fairness there would be an equal salary cap for all teams in the league 2. Financial sustainability, as in stopping clubs from going broke. Also not true, as if it was clubs would be able to just prepay future outgoings like wages and then it would be virtually impossible to bankrupt a club. 3. Corruption. Powerful traditional clubs setting rules to make it much more difficult for up and coming clubs to compete. They want to maintain their closed shop at the top of the sport and not allow anyone else into their little club.
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
£19.5m over three years is £6.5m per year. *A whole raft of Premier players earn that in around four months.* That is how trivial the amount is.
@pervenchemusic 5 ай бұрын
Yes but it’s not just a £19.5m loss, it’s a £124.5m loss with the £19.5 being over the allowed loss over 3 years
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
@@pervenchemusic The figure was nailed down to *£19.5m,* over three years. That was made clear.
@swiftymorgan5064 5 ай бұрын
It's not Everton, it's Man City and Chelsea they should be clamping down on They've been stealing trophies for years in such a fashion
@AldrianCG 5 ай бұрын
One infraction, Everton gets punished. Two questions come to my mind: 1. How come Manchester City was allowed to accumulate 115? 2. IF(note that is a big if) Man City is find guilty, what will it be the punishment? (Was thinking the other day about city’s case. Maybe in 15 or 20 years somebody will publish a book in which they will tell that city did not get punished because of the size of city group investment in England and the decision was taken by a high authority in the government).
@biblemaniswatchingyoumastu1920 5 ай бұрын
Everyone knows that City is guilty as sin, it’s infuriating to watch them get away with it constantly Realistically, one day they will get caught, and logically, if one breach is worth a 10-point deduction, and they have 115 breaches, they’ll be deducted 1150 points, which works for me. Have fun in the Sunday league
@zapre2284 5 ай бұрын
The league is corrupt mate
@rwalker0130 5 ай бұрын
10 points per charge, so 1150 point deduction incoming. we can settle for a 10 league drop.
@sumanchhetri1809 5 ай бұрын
Man City probably paid off all the necessary people.
@stevesanders6770 5 ай бұрын
As a follow up to this, it would be interesting to look at what independent regulation of the game would bring. What would the effect of a salary cap and a more equitable distribution of to money throughout the game be?
@alextoth9853 5 ай бұрын
American here, it's weird to me that they can't refer to Sygurdsson by name. Acknowledging he was going through legal proceedings is just a statement of fact (there's even a section on his wiki). How different are slander laws internationally?
@StheSharknl 5 ай бұрын
The UK has some very harsh slander laws. Can’t smell freedom over here. In the Netherlands I would also avoid saying old Syg his name publicly haha
@drunkenhobo8020 5 ай бұрын
@@StheSharknl To be fair I'm not sure I'd like the sort of "freedom" where you can just accuse people of wrongdoing without evidence or consequence. He was also never even charged, let alone convicted of anything.
@CptQuakers 5 ай бұрын
@@StheSharknlit's nothing to do with slander, it's to do with making sure he gets a fair trial, if everyone is naming him as a nonce he's got no chance
@simpedros4766 5 ай бұрын
@@CptQuakersall charges were dropped. He is back playing football
@jackmiller-johnston8689 5 ай бұрын
This independent panel has put the PL in a near-impossible position, with regards to City and Chelsea. If they're not punished with relegation, the Premier League's finished. Clubs will simply withdraw their membership and head to the EFL. The Super League will likely be the outcome and I don't care, because I'd never waste a second on it
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
What is a _finished club?_
@KingofKran 5 ай бұрын
Chelsea havent even been charged with anything. And here your are handing out punishments. You must be a fantastic lawyer. Not.
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
@@KingofKran He has a point that if they do not have proper procedures and sanctions in place and fairness, confidence will drop dramatically. Then some may be wanting to form another league.
@yoransom 5 ай бұрын
This screams corruption
@nigelbaldwin1038 5 ай бұрын
🤡
@mikejgilmour 5 ай бұрын
I’m an EFC fan and don’t object to a points deduction, but it’s the number of points I object to. Clearly we were sailing too close to the wind already for comfort. But for the commission to say the unexpected cancellation of key sponsor deals and stadium naming rights plus the termination of Player X’s contract can’t in any way be mitigating factors seems unfair. If those two unprecedented events hadn’t happened, we arguably wouldn’t have breached. There in lies, in my opinion, the need for the deduction to be 6 points rather than 10.
@dogdog2635 5 ай бұрын
When a thief gets caught they don’t get a lesser punishment because they were poor. You have an awful understanding of how the judiciary system works
@nas84payne 5 ай бұрын
I don’t even think you should’ve been deducted any points, given the likes of Man City, Chelsea done much worse. You can’t punish Everton, but not punish the aforementioned clubs. You have been scapegoated and I hope you win the appeal.
@alextoth9853 5 ай бұрын
My issue is how did they land on any number of points? Rumors were the PL were recommending 12 and we get 10. Did these rules not have specified punishments when they were made? Was it always supposed to be a vibes-based thing?
@Jestersson 5 ай бұрын
Keep the faith Mike we’ll still stay up.😉
@bens4602 5 ай бұрын
I’d say 3 pt deduction max, preferably 0 as several losses were linked to your stadium which is allowed, and I’m not an Everton fan.
@auchayethenoo8249 5 ай бұрын
The thing that rarely gets mentioned is that this sets a precedence and will hopefully make it easier to hand out tough punishments in the future (hopefully Man City).
@Sutty0151 5 ай бұрын
Corruption the premier league changed policy halfway through the process knowing quite well we would then go over the limit UTFT/FTPL
@Chip_in 5 ай бұрын
Hope this sets a precedent for future clubs and current clubs under investigation ⛳
@timothwc2 5 ай бұрын
Citeh or chelski fighting to stay in the PL after a points deduction would be interesting
@PyrexPiccaso 5 ай бұрын
I think as soon as alisher usmanov got sanctioned it was game over in the premier league for Everton, Without him they were never goin too compete with the Top 6. He was the real financial backer of Everton.
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
Russia and everton get all punishment for breaking the same rule/law that Israel does but get away from.
@TheFlyingV 5 ай бұрын
In the time it took you to watch this video, every top six team was able to sell an under performing player to a middle eastern club it has an under the table agreement with so their books are balanced
@TheFlyingV 5 ай бұрын
At least the one saving grace is when the Premier League needs to quiet critics, Everton might not be around to be the guinea pig.
@cx3929 5 ай бұрын
Do a video of Man City and PSG and their "sponsorship" money. People have gone to jail for exposing the issues and none of you dare to do a video.
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
Russia and everton get all punishment for breaking the same rule/law that Israel does but get away from.
@RahulSharma-wq4qy 5 ай бұрын
PL is spineless. Everton will appeal and they will refer it to an "independent committee" and they will never follow through because there was no "substantial evidence".
@AgentMoray 5 ай бұрын
This is the worst thing that has ever happened in the Premier League.
@johnfitzalan3128 5 ай бұрын
Its a good season to get it though, if the teams around them were not quite so hopeless it would be a death sentence. This season i suspect they will manage to claw it back.
@Drunken_Master 5 ай бұрын
Premier League is a sham.
@WILDDITTO 5 ай бұрын
Man so this is what happens when you don't have amazing lawyers...
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
Or be guilty
@whereschavo3953 5 ай бұрын
looking forward to seeing a uruguay marcelo bielsa video
@brouwah 5 ай бұрын
ManC? Chelsea? Is the premier league a joke now?
@dylanb.117 5 ай бұрын
Can't believe a club who haven't even been charged yet and a club who's trial hasn't even begun haven't been punished yet!
@cbwilson86 5 ай бұрын
Love the passive aggressive sentence in that statement, with regards to monitoring other decisions. I mean, geez, who, pray tell, are they referring to??
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
Andy Burnham pointed out the procedure and that sanctions were not pre-determined - they were making it up as they went along - means, the hearing is *null & void.* And that all this needs sorting with it approved by all 20 clubs before another hearing. *It has to be right.* There is also the point of who is on the bench. The chairman was ex CEO of Leeds Utd, who are wanting to sue Everton being bitter at being relegated, and strangely blaming Everton for their bad performance.
@predeshinreddy2080 5 ай бұрын
No justice, city and Chelsea untouched
@phacol12 5 ай бұрын
Yaknow, I really feel Ever-ten, it really is injustice how they get punished but Chel$ea and Man $hitty just get away with their situations ☠️💀 well done EPL ☠️💀
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
Russia and everton get all punishment for breaking the same rule/law that Israel does but get away from.
@LordOtorai 5 ай бұрын
It’s only a matter of time before Chelsea and Man City go down, and it will be glorious when it does happen. If the rules are not applied fairly and evenly then there’s no point having the rules at all.
@69jomen 5 ай бұрын
Man Utd has been doing this for years and nothing has ever been mentioned. City and Chelsea are not alone...
@fatbelly27 5 ай бұрын
If the punishment has to be proportionate to the crime, what will be the punishment of Man City if the charges are proven?
@jiejejehsjehehdjdjhdhd 5 ай бұрын
Relegation is most likely
@TheFlyingV 5 ай бұрын
Everton will be hit with a 30-point deduction
@aiqalromzi 5 ай бұрын
"Unexpected Termination of contract of key player due to unforeseen event" hmmm I guess whoo🤔🤔🤔🤔
@dushimedavid6345 5 ай бұрын
Tifo can you create a video on which players united can get in case Sancho leaves. With FFP rules and all...
@thisIsFunnyLolz 5 ай бұрын
Remember everyone, the Athletic put in a Freedom of Information Act request for communications between the UK embassy in the UAE and the UAE government regarding the charges against Man City, and it was thoroughly denied with the reasoning be it could damage international relations. It sadly is not shocking, and I am sure there are PL workers who are rightfully mad but the call to just sit on their hands might be coming from way above their pay grade. I am no fan of Everton but it really feels like they got the shortest end of the stick possible
@benyoung4305 5 ай бұрын
Let's hope they actually deal with oilchester next. Everyon have been used as a scapegoat but the precedent is set now.
@CrunchyMotorsport 5 ай бұрын
Due to prize money allowance, if Everton drop 2 places in the final table, they will receive a harsher punishment than the Big 6 when they broke away for the Super League
@e_eyster 5 ай бұрын
Feels like it was 10 points because the EFL knows that they can compromise it down to a 4-6 point deduction and everyone will more or less forget about assuming Everton stay up.
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
Should be *zero.* They even said is was none sport related, when a sports Penalty was issued.
@dodgechance4564 5 ай бұрын
If they think Everton deserves a 10-point deduction and to face potential relegation, then I imagine Man City will be turned into a pub team
@KingM0ng 5 ай бұрын
The punishment isn't too bad, they are good enough to get enough points to stay up and weren't going for Europe this season. I'm glad it's happened, simply for the reason that now future rulings have a set precedent on punishments so it brings the likelihood that justice will be served on City and hopefully Chelsea too.
@mikeconneely6 5 ай бұрын
Even as a liverpool fan so loose out on so much revenue because of western vs russian politics with sponsorship and the stadium naming keep politics out of football
@user-dc9ty4se8b 5 ай бұрын
It's because they are broke. I doubt if it was a bigger club like City, they would have given them that punishment
@smileawhile9781 5 ай бұрын
We're not broke, we've been told not to spend. The money we have spent has had to be okayed by the premier League. Sold Digne, Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi. They've opened a can of worms here with their acting in bad faith nonsense.
@CANNAV0 5 ай бұрын
Here before the title changes to "The 2nd biggest punishment in Premier League history"
@nigelbaldwin1038 5 ай бұрын
That’s totally irrelevant to the Everton case.
@Beeady 5 ай бұрын
Can someone explain the Richarlison thing to me please? Is it that Everton had reported 80m sale when it was 60 or are they being punished for selling him below value/not selling him earlier?
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
Richarlison was valued at £80m, being Brazil's 1st choice striker at the time. Everton were pressured to sell him so Levy of Tottenham took full advantage driving the price down to £60. If sold at another time without internal pressures Everton would have received £80 for the sale. So Everton said the £20m must taken into account. Also a *total loss* on Sigurdsson.
@Beeady 5 ай бұрын
@@johnburns4017thanks for answering. so Everton claimed they lost revenue because they sold a player for under value? That's surely just bad negotiating? Understand the sigurdsson claim, though I'd have thought that would constitute breach of contract and Everton should be able to chase compensation from someone like Chelsea did with Mutu even though I don't think they've ever got that money back Also, pressured to sell richalison because his contract was running out or was there an external force like the prem threatening them over ffp that pressured them to sell?g
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
@@Beeady Everton did not want to sell him, but were forced to, to keep to _their_ rules. The league were kept abreast of the transactions. Richarlison was sold below his market value because of circumstances forced onto EFC.
@shadow_realm47 5 ай бұрын
@@Beeady they had an offer for him of 85M at the start of the Pandemic from Barcelona but had to refuse cus they Just got Carlo in. Everton was basically forced to sell their best player in 5 years for a 30% discount cus the League told them to. If you watch the video the PL was responsible for all sales and purchases for the last 3 years.
@asdasd-pf2xu 5 ай бұрын
80m for richarlison. Absolute insanity
@ozjob 5 ай бұрын
They didn’t terminate said players contract, that was one of the problem.
@kindtan 5 ай бұрын
Please create a video on Europes final stand against the modern football. Allsvenskan in Sweden, no VAR, the 51%-rule and an ever rising supporter culture in the stands. Please shown an alternative to where every other country in Europe is headed.
@wkandle 5 ай бұрын
Everton would be comfortably 10th after 3 wins in a row without the deduction
@theportugueselegend 5 ай бұрын
Outrageous. This is why City's trophies post-2008 won't count for me. Bought history and the PL governing body is digging it's own grave. Also, great to hear your voice again Joe. Been missing this since Tifo IRL turned into a chaos and crazy shenanigans' channel
@eavyeavy2864 5 ай бұрын
Good thing history isnt decided by bitter rivals opinion 😂
@danielbarnett2466 5 ай бұрын
Exactly No one's punishing city
@internetexplorer6097 5 ай бұрын
I love coming from behind !
@scottbrayton9484 5 ай бұрын
I'm a city fan but I try my best to be reasonable and consistent. I think this deduction is comically harsh, and if you are the PL, you would need to relegate City to the National League in order to salvage any form of credibility from this decision.
@nas84payne 5 ай бұрын
The Premier League haven’t got the bottle to do that (or anywhere near that level of punishment).
@owl-arm7545 5 ай бұрын
That 10 point deduction will cost the club more than £9.7m.... why not just write a cheque and be done with it?
@daveoaktowers 5 ай бұрын
There will be more of this from Premier League as they look to get 'house in order' to try look good and argue against an independent regulator.
@leonhardeuler675 5 ай бұрын
Who is the key player who was terminated?
@johnburns4017 5 ай бұрын
Sigurdsson. Everton lost all. Fee paid and value. His value had risen greatly while playing for Everton. Not considered.
@jeffoleg4881 5 ай бұрын
Wish Everton the best they will still stay up
@0344478 5 ай бұрын
I wonder where Joey Barton fits in ...
@evangelix9251 5 ай бұрын
3:00 fraynk?
@Hascienda27 5 ай бұрын
Why would the punish overspending, really ? They’re only gonna go for the little spending clubs now, probably so they can treat it like a super league or something
@andrewcharlton6080 5 ай бұрын
Surely the Premier League ratifying Onana’s transfer from Inter was a far crueler punishment than a mere 10 point deduction?
@mrannonymous4822 5 ай бұрын
Being a pompey I feel their pain but we had it much worse you won't see a bigger downfall for a premier league side
@lewiswilson1010 5 ай бұрын
Dont forget the ban that stopped all prem teams competing in European football for 2 years i think that heavily impacted everton for something we didnt even do
@markanderson4094 5 ай бұрын
We may have had 10 points deducted but it won't send us down UTFTS
@sync232 5 ай бұрын
Noo we have to safeguard clubs from bad financial practices! Noo dont punish them for that!
@budou2323 5 ай бұрын
And yet still nothing happened to Man City
@MrBixont 5 ай бұрын
was waiting for this video
@jinz0 5 ай бұрын
Man city need smashing -100 points
@mochabear88 5 ай бұрын
ty
@adrianpillai6645 5 ай бұрын
The punishment to Everton is one charge... and doesnt seem to be tied to the amount they cheated by. So, why shouldnt I cheat once by billions and take my docked points on that single charge? I'm just waiting for someone to sell logo space on the left sock for 25m and right sock for 15m, and underwear stuffing sock for 10£.
@Ryxn97 5 ай бұрын
My thinking exactly - if we would’ve gone more into the minuses and properly steadied the ship would we have had the full recommended 12 points and been in a better position to climb the table?
@diogosilva2831 3 ай бұрын
I still can’t accept how Everton had a harsher punishment than Man City. Genuinely
@madman123f1 5 ай бұрын
The PL is fixed
@colek2470 5 ай бұрын
This seem like a cop out by the premier league. They could of easily gone after City and done the same thing if they wanted to make an example of a club for others but instead they are going after a club who will hurt more than others if it is hit with a points deduction. Makes sense though as the premier league only looks through the lenses of money and City is more of a global brand for the premier league than Everton
@dylanb.117 5 ай бұрын
They are doing the same to City as they have done to Everton. One case is just far bigger than the other, which is also their fault.
@nas84payne 5 ай бұрын
@@dylanb.117Just should’ve investigated City far earlier. Better late than never, tho. They’ll still bottle any punishment. The worse they’ll get is a record fine and maybe a points deduction imo.
@shadow_realm47 5 ай бұрын
City is not a global brand And CIty has been under investigation for 12 years.
@neilmartin7776 5 ай бұрын
With the intense scrutiny over this points deduction, I reckon Everton will get a reprieve - the restoration of all, or most, of the points taken, and a reasonable fine. If not, then the commission will need to come down heavily on City, and impose the same proportionate punishment for each of their charges. The Italian FA were brave enough to do it to the biggest clubs in their league, but somehow I doubt the Premier League will be brave enough here. This is probably going to be overturned.
@dogdog2635 5 ай бұрын
You’re trying to apply logic to probably the most corrupt FA out of the top 5 leagues
@neilmartin7776 5 ай бұрын
@@dogdog2635 true - but the Everton case gives them enough rope to expose themselves as corrupt and unfit for purpose.
@nas84payne 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don’t think they have the bottle to properly punish City (a fine and/or points deduction would’ve be good enough imo).
@ApocalypticRenegade 5 ай бұрын
I think in general the football world needs to have a serious rethink about points deductions for finances. The people at fault are usually the owners and the other higher ups at the club but the only people who end up being punished are the fans. Look at Derby and Reading, the points deductions basically got them relegated but the actual people involved don't really get hurt it's only the club, likewise with malaga all those years ago.
@suspendedlgx7129 5 ай бұрын
Agreed but clubs like man City deserve to get their trophies forfeited
@gracielynn9623 3 ай бұрын
I have a hard time believing the legitimacy of any of this as long as Chelsea of the past and Manchester city of the current go unpunished. What Manchester city has done is 20 to 30 times worse than anything that Everton has done that has been listed in this video. I’m not a salty Everton fan either, I was rooting for their relegation before this came out… Now I just feel bad for them. It’s not right that they get to be scapegoated Because the Premier league is too scared to punish some of their bigger name clubs, like Manchester city.
@mathewsnook3803 5 ай бұрын
The biggest punishment ... Yet
@Iksvomid 4 ай бұрын
Waiting for City and Chelsea's point deduction...
@wholelottaredpills 5 ай бұрын
Just shows the hypocrisy and slanted view the prem has on Everton vs City
@LordFred69 5 ай бұрын
none of the PL clubs are clean
@FloatingOnAZephyr 5 ай бұрын
I wonder how many people have read the report, which is on the PL website for anyone to read and isn’t too long. It’s being badly reported and misunderstood by fans. Everton’s owners took chances with the future of one of our greatest clubs, and that should not be allowed. Real fans need to get board with the idea that these breaches jeopardise our 150-year-old clubs. Everton will be fine if they don’t let this be a distraction. Take the medicine, move on, don’t do it again, thrive for another 150 years instead of ending up like Leeds or even Bury.
@TheFlyingV 5 ай бұрын
Christ, I'd never want you as my lawyer. Was the punishment known at the time the violation was committed? No? Then it's unfair.
@FloatingOnAZephyr 5 ай бұрын
@@TheFlyingV I'm not sure what that means exactly, this is all on Everton's ownership, not me mate. The owners have taken huge risks with the future of the club, that's just how it is. All PL clubs agree to the rules on PSR and know points deductions and worse are on the table if they're breached. It's impossible to offer some neat sliding scale on something so complex, and doing so would only encourage badly-run clubs to game the system by judging it's worth x points to go over the limits by £x. If you read the report, you can see for yourself that Everton were utterly reckless, and 10 points may actually even be lenient. They literally began groundwork on a £750m stadium without planning permission, which meant the expenditure couldn't be capitalised. Utterly ridiculous. If they'd been relegated last year to the EFL, the current financing would have been against EFL rules and they'd have been in all sorts of trouble. You couldn't imagine worse mismanagement. Clubs need protecting from reckless ownership. Remember, this punishment was handed out by an independent panel.
@dudeunkown 5 ай бұрын
Manchester City by these standards should've been relegated. It's incredible how clubs like these are still standing and still topping the premier league.
@ok.-ok. 5 ай бұрын
Imagine being punished for loosing to much money 😭
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