I have good news. Marina is alive and has been released. She's been fined 30,000 rubles ($280.00 USD) for the charge of decrying the war. Source is the Telegraph UK. But, who know's what might happen to her when the world isn't watching Russia.

Last time I was this early, the Bell Riots were still in the far future.

This hits a lot harder in 2022 than in 1995. Almost like we're on schedule for this to happen for real.

these areas already exist in the real world, we call them "Sacrifice Zones". The Bell Riots will happen eventually, they have to; we are a painfully broken society at so many levels. This is what has always made Star Trek what it is, at it's greatest it shines a light on our own brokenness.

This episode was in San Francisco on Polk Street. This episode is remarkably close to how San Francisco is right now. I've lived here nearly 20 years and its happening.

A well done and sad to say thought provoking video that reflects todays world. Keep em up

"...that sometimes you need to get violent in order to show change." A spicy conclusion for the times! If sadly one I've come to agree with in current times, in no small part thanks to this episode. Nonetheless, an excellent breakdown of one of my favorite (if hardest to watch personally) episodes of DS9.

I remember back when President Obama had to cut NASAs budget (and I don’t blame him for it, we aren’t exactly doing anything fucking meaningful even at light speed) I realized that our future is far more likely to be like Warhammer 40k than Star Trek, and if we’re lucky it will be like The Expanse or Firefly. I almost shot myself in despair.

DS9 is not prophetic... it's that history keeps repeating itself. Having said that... brilliant two parter, knew it back in the day, still do more than ever.

Been binge-watching DS9 again lately. This ep hit a lot different after having been homeless. I've been there in the human cattle pens getting insulted and dehumanized by the better-offs for the audacity to require help to survive - there's a substrate of people who genuinely desire all the so-called Dims to perish overnight. Thank goodness it didn't take a riot to escape, but once you've been through it, you can really understand the motivation to start one. "A riot is the language of the unheard", and all... Anyway, great vid. I am now binge-watching all your lore videos too, haha.

The Bell Riots lore has always made me wonder what the whole world looked like, because weren't there supposed to be genetically engineered supermen running a good chunk of the 'east' long enough to be exiled into space? I'm sure if there's not a full connection, writers could make it work out if they needed to but a lot of the history doesn't connect in my head.

Good parallels to the apathy of what is happening in the world today.

I'm not convinced the Bell riots will ever come up in Picard.

Great quote from this episode "BASHIR: But it makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are humans really any different than Cardassians or Romulans? If push comes to shove, if something disastrous happens to the Federation, if we are frightened enough, or desperate enough, how would we react? Would we stay true to our ideals or would we just stay up here, right back where we started? "SISKO: I don't know. But as a Starfleet officer, it's my job to make sure we never have to find out." We found out in season one of STP what the world looks like when starfleet officers fail at that job. Also worth noting in STP S2 E2 the Borg Queen sent Picard back to the exact year of these riots where the timeline was changed. It has to be linked to the events of this DS9 episode somehow.

Well, the good news is she was released and is alive. I think that alone showcase more and more people are aware the wind might change direction. still huge balls of steel for her.

Notice in the ep they had people of different racial backgrounds looking down on the people in the sanctuary district... it was less about race, and more about classism... rich vs poor, the well to do vs the unwell

Riot and revolution can be viable engines for change. I'm glad you understand that. I would say I hope we don't end up with sanctuary districts, but we already have migrant versions of them. Other forms aren't far off given global trends.

There is to me a connection to this DS9 episode and "Non Sequitur" the 21st episode of Star Trek: Voyager, the fifth episode in the second season. it looks like Harry is living in the area that this riot took place, if you pay close attention to where Harry's apartment is located and the area he is in when leaving his apartment, it is the same location it appears.

Has anybody ever done a video about what humanity would be like if they invented warp but didn't encounter the Vulcans.

Skid Row here in Los Angeles resembles the Sanctuary Districts from this episode.

This came up in my fyp just hours after I watched this episode

The bell riots are an interesting part of Trek history. A writer could use this a point in time in which one could easily create alternate timelines for the Trek universe. Just like Cochran t sting the first warp built on Earth.

Good points. One key element: Out of Sight, Out of Mind. If you cannot see the suffering, it is easy to believe the official narrative that everything is fine. People only turn on a system when they are confronted with the suffering it caused. Abolition of slavery only gained popular support when abolitionists forced people to see the harm of slavery. The Civil Rights Movement succeeded in part because ordinary people were forced to see the suffering of blacks under segregation. Showing the suffering clearly is the only way to overcome systematic oppression disguised as benevolent separation. We only support such a system while we can tell ourselves the people inside do not suffer.

When this aired I never thought that San Fran could be the site of such a district but 30 years later the town is awash in the homeless pooping and doing drugs on the open streets. I see how this could be where the districts would start.

To your message at the end: Total agreement. Further, I would not be surprised if the majority of human suffering was caused, not by malice or wickedness or corruption, but misplaced righteousness. "It's for your own good" said with full sincerity while plunging a knife into someone's back. Be it, as in this case, a government's misaimed attempt to 'solve' an issue, or the supposedly devoutly religious deciding that God isn't punishing sinners fast enough, or some other shortsighted fool who believed a complicated longstanding issue could be solved with a simple solution. How much suffering must such people cause, for our own good?

9:18 in fairness, Brinner wasn’t nearly as daring and courageous as Marina; he was more like Stephen Fry in V fir Vendetta “I can roast the Bulls and the Pigs all day… wHaT’rE tHeY gOnNa Do To MeEeEeE?!?!”

Well, glad to know I wasn't the only one to pick up on the date and place the Borg Queen talked about.

When DS9 became a documentary.

7:28 it could be a hostage negotiating tactic. You don’t say “no” you always say “I’ll do what I can” or “I’ll see what I can do” and try to have the hostage taker identify and empathize with their victims and with the negotiator.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bell riots or the things leading up to them are not even mentioned in Picard despite happening at the same time. I know Voyager already messed this up when they went to 94 and there was no eugenics war but maybe that can be a little more forgiven as Khan was mainly in the middle east and Asia so might not have been as big of a factor on mainland America but this is meant to be happening in every city.

*"it's not that they don't care, it's that they've given up."* This is so accurate and such a major problem. The wealth gap is growing immensely and the number of people just getting forgotten about and left behind is rising along with it. People just don't want to actually care. I can't even say I'm not one of said people. We all feel powerless and just caring becomes such a struggle, so we end up becoming complicit in a system we hate.

When I first saw this I didn't see how this kind of situation could arise in the early 21st century but lately given all thats going on its seeming more and more plausible! when you see how corrupt politics is in real life and how poor people are moved on and dehumanized its disturbingly close to reality

The actors playing Webb and Preston were also paired as mom and dad in “Life Goes On.”

This video is aging like fine wine and fiction and reality are becoming one. See everyone in San Fransisco next year?

September 1, 2024 is only 52 days from today (July 11, 2024).

"War is simply the continuation of political intercourse with the addition of other means.” - Carl von Clausewitz

Definitely a favorite episode of mine! Great video unpacking it IMO.

I wonder if Jake Sisko ever looked into an Earth history book and found it strange that Gabriel Bell looked exactly like his father?

the worst part of this episode is that the "Governor" and "Mayor" referenced we can now be sure is Greasy Gavin Newsom and London Freakin Breed

"Sometimes you have to get violent to show change" I think history has proven this to be true, but I also think... it's complicated. In the episode Sisko tries to walk an impossible line; take hostages, but treat them (reasonably) well and keep them alive. He knew that if he didn't keep them alive the public wouldn't take their side. They had to revolt, but further acts of violence would not get them what they wanted. Tragically what led to change was the violence perpetrated by the police. Gabriel Bell had to die and become a martyr. Violence forces a reaction and can trigger change, both good and bad. Some situations call for violence, but generally I think it's a solution of last resort. And it's that restraint that was key to the success of the Bell Riots.

You're not wrong, at all. Now, my own headcanon is that as the beginning of automation and concerns over machines taking over jobs the high-end technological 'Smart machines' would actually be able to make businesses profitable without the expenses of employees. Couple that with several billion more people than existed at the turn of the 20th century and that innovation would leave billions out of work causing the worst fears of the common people to be very much justified. Just like an elevator operators' job disappeared back in the mid 20th century, blue-collar work in the Trek universe is done only by automation with no danger to human life. Sounds great on paper, but the reality is not.

June 28th, 2024 - US Supreme Court rules that homelessness is a crime. The #BellRiots are right on schedule for 2024.

**Update** Marina Ovsyannikova, a woman who stood up against the Russian Government is live and well, she was interrogated for more than 14 hours, wasn't allowed to get in touch with my family or friends, and denied access to a lawyer and has been fine for 30,000 rouble (281.69 United States Dollar).

When I saw this episode when it originally aired, I didn't think it could happen in California. Now, I'm certain it could happen here and that makes me sad.

Separate but equal. Where have we heard that before?

I love your deep look at Star Trek and you have definitely adjusted my thinking on many trek issues. Sorry for all the hate some people shoot your way "they suck", you do a great service and produce a great product. Only thing that stands out for me is how easily you promote real world propaganda. I wish you could apply your critical eye to the real world a bit more when commenting on it. Having said that still love your stuff and always looking forward to your next take on an episode, faction, or series. Thank you.

I truly enjoy your vids

See, you have more faith in Star Trek Picard writers than I do. I too assume that the Bell riots will be mentioned but I dreadfully fear that they are going back in time to make sure the right person is elected president in 2024. I don't know if they will straight up use President Trump or if they will make up a President Trump analog ,like Dr who did, but that's where I'm afraid they're going. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see.

This episode is awesome. I'm going through DS9 for the first time. I live in l.a., and the "sanctuary" zones look just like the tent cities here. I'm sure san Francisco is the same, with its massive wealth inequality and homelessness and untreated mental illness. Barbaric, just like San Francisco in 2024 in star trek

Is this about fiction or real life events?

This one scared the hell out of me when I watched it again as an adult. because I could see it happening.

Prescient. This is a long time favourite of mine too ❤️

With rapid inflation both in food and rent I can easily see 'sanctuaries' popping up.

Marina Ovsyannikova is one of the most important names I've learned in the last 48 hours. That is absolutely insane to me. A "random" Russian woman should be important? She's super important. I hope she's OK..

Such events in history must follow the path of universal karma.

Another AWESOME video!

Only 2 years til we see if it happens in our time line

We have areas like the Sanctuary Districts in San Franscisco and LA, seems proffectic.

Man we are right on schedule...

The irony is the cause of most issues is Government Policies, then people ask government to do something, and the very people who caused the problem then make those matters worse and then as a result. People accept or revolt. But they always keep coming back to allowing government to get involved in the personal lives or policies that caused the very issues in the first place. We look to Government as Rulers and their word is final and productive when they aren’t supposed to be involved in any of that. But the issue is, WE THE PEOPLE allow it and accept it.

I didn't know she was persumed dead about the message hell yeah were close to this point we're just a little behind schedule sadly

Posting from start of 2024... no riots yet (supposedly less than 9 months to go to the Bell riots), but plenty of tensions rising. Concerns for overseas wars may start to spread globally, already existing economic and housing crisis only made worse by ever increasing flood of illegal immigrants into US over the last several months. Looming election by end of year only causing even more tensions on top of everything. Feels like things just keep boiling up, and if continue to get worse could reach the tipping point to cause some kind of uprising.

Great episode. Seeing ideas for something like "sanctuary districts" pop up in major cities :-(

The Bell Riot's are coming people.

DO you know what else is violent the baneblade

Love this 2 parter, if it does reappear in Picard I hope they don’t fuck it up.

so this may not be a thing but who think we could see sisko in picard if this ds9 episode is set where/when picard season 2 is set

Would Sisko have needed to take Bell's place if he wasn't part prophet? In Trek time-travel does and does not affect the timeline. This seems to depend on the form of time-travel used, but not always. Sisko we now know by the end of the show too of been half Prophet. A species with a very different relationship with spacetime than Humans - See Siskos mum. The other form of Prophet based time-travel we know of if through one of thier orbs. A method we are lead to believe could of changed the timeline. So if Sisko wasn't part Prophet, would his presence in the past of caused Bell to of been killed, or would the fully human Sisko and Bashir just stayed as observers?

Sisko kicks ass.

Thanks for the bloody spoilers for Picard this week!!!

Whelp we have arrived in 2024. Hard to believe it. And we are full o' crap like it says in the episode. Stay classy and outta nny way.

Oddly enough, one could also draw the conclusion that it would have been better (or less bad) to outright abandon people (and leave them alone), instead of having a opressive aperatus, that still does nothing for them.

Is the Star Picard timeline now not canon because their version of 2024 kinda doesn't align with what happened with the Eugenics wars, leading to the Bell Riots in this video and then WWIII. Because according what San Fran looks like in DS9 when Sisko and Bashit went to the past...it's obvious that the writers didn't watch DS9 and remember this episode that has an exact date and time

Wow that was good, and unfortunately had real world relevance. Heart breaking.

How long was it from the riots until Trek’s verson of WW3 or what ever it was called

Please, like the government would ever let homlessness get so out of hand that they have to put huge populations into safe rest villa.... I mean "Sanctuary Districts."

So is this episode before or after the Eugenics Wars, or perhaps during?

ah the workhouse?

Which do you think better explored social injustice? This episode? Or Season 6's Far Beyond the Stars?

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i would never compare a bunch of criminals to a story about real abused people.. Those people on Jan 6th flew in on private planes lol they were business owners and all had money.

I think that is the future the ones with power want.

What should be learned from the Bell Riots is the government can not solve social problems like poverty by spending more money on social programs. Since President Johnson declared a "war on poverty" in 1964 the government has spent over 15 trillion on welfare programs. Did that money make any systemic difference. Well, it doesn't look like it. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. About 10 years later, it was 11.2 percent, and it has not gone above 15.2 percent any year since. What helps poorer areas is more law enforcement and proactive policing. Lowering the crime rate spurs investment by private businesses. We see how the opposite idea is causing more homeless and crime in California. California has already had a homeless problem because of rising housing costs. However, with their efforts with "criminal justice reform," the crime rate and homeless problem has rose dramatically. There are already "sanctuary districts" in San Francisco, LA, Sacramento and San Diego.

2024? Well its comming up soon but if we all put in the effort we can make this prediction from Star Trek be accurate!

At this point I have to think Lore is just trolling with his Ism's

note. this is California..fitting

Two months to go...... lol.

3:33 tangentially I saw a chick with spots tattooed like a trill’s the other day.

Truth be told for about 20 mins I thought "Oh God, is Picard saying the Confederation is what happens if Trump gets back in?" Then I looked up the Bell Riots. I hope, hope they keep their political stance vague... well, I hope they don't actually link directly to near future events such as the election.

Yeah but as Lorerunner has pointed out, it's not as easy as just giving out jobs, what are you supposed to do when there simply isn't enough employment to go around? I mean what do you want the government to do, just create jobs that serve no purpose simply so that people get paid? Japan does that with its construction industry and billions of yen are wasted every year building highways that go nowhere just to prop up employment numbers.

Unfortunately.... With things the way they are. We WILL see the real world equivalent of sanctuary districts. I give it till the latter half of this decade.

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These damn gimmies' just don't want to work.

This and Paradise are episodes that show how much things have changed since the 90s, since the very people who wrote the episodes agree with the politics that led to their respective dystopias but where self aware enough of this fact to not shy away from it and there's even a line about a communist government in Europe putting down a student protest as communists seem to do regularly. Given the day and age we live in and the fact there is no connection between the Bell Riots of the Star Trek canon universe and the Discovery universe I have absolutely no doubt in my mind the cause is going to be blamed on the real world solution to such problems, the solution is going to propose doubling down on the cause, and somehow white men will be collectively blamed for it. Some could call that an uncharitable prediction and to them I'd ask what they've been watching these past 6 years as it would evidently not include any American made media.

Justin Trudeau was inspired by this Star Trek episode cause he didn’t get to watch all of it

who is here after miami announced a homeless island?

I have subscribed and unsubscribed your channel a few times. I subscribed because of your take on star trek lore, I unsubscribed because in some of your videos you come off pretentious, that being said, the moment you mentioned a member of the media risking all made me think of that Russian journalist and then you showed it. A lot of channels are catching flack such as Generation Tech and Venom Geek Media from there followers right now for talking about the war in Ukraine and I'm glad to see you are putting yourself out there with them. I subscribe once more and I'm glad you are pointing out these real life comparisons.

a communist debate group on facebook brought me here lmao

A riot is a riot, regardless of who or what it is for or against. Whether January first or the countless summer riots. There will always be malcontents, there will always be those who fall through the cracks, there will always be haves and have nots. We should always strive for improvement remembering that change is constant, and not inherently good or evil. Weather the change is for the better or the worse remains to be seen.

9:17 she was fine 200 pound lol... "Presumed dead" c'mon the Russian gov aren't that bad.