I have good news. Marina is alive and has been released. She's been fined 30,000 rubles ($280.00 USD) for the charge of decrying the war. Source is the Telegraph UK. But, who know's what might happen to her when the world isn't watching Russia.
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
I was really happy to see that.. she could still face up to 15 years but Atleast she didn’t get disappeared as they say
@lexguttman2 жыл бұрын
Thats great to hear! I figured no one would hear from her again once I saw the video!
@Bitchslapper3162 жыл бұрын
30,000 rubles or ten bucks.
@benallen77042 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded Yet. She hasn't disappeared *YET*
@gyllenspetzfamily79932 жыл бұрын
She needs to get in a car and drive to Finland, Now.
@brianweaver3272 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, the Bell Riots were still in the far future.
@Excalibur012 жыл бұрын
According to the timeline, the Bell Riots is supposed to happen in 2 years
@Jtilden232 жыл бұрын
@@Excalibur01 we did miss Eugenics Wars
@Excalibur012 жыл бұрын
@@Jtilden23 we had race riots 2 years ago
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@Excalibur01 yeah but the Bell Riots were said to actually cause systemic change
@whitenuttergoku73107 ай бұрын
It triggered the Irish reunification
@CortexNewsService2 жыл бұрын
This hits a lot harder in 2022 than in 1995. Almost like we're on schedule for this to happen for real.
@definitlynotbenlente7671 Жыл бұрын
Tell the vulcans to get here already
@edwardpate6128 Жыл бұрын
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 If they came they would turn around and leave at maximum warp!
@Syncrotron900111 ай бұрын
Donald Trump IS Gabriel Bell
@nemesisurvivorleon8 ай бұрын
@@Syncrotron9001 Trump is a dictator and his hypocritical clinging to the image of rebellious liberty is such a crock.
@lugiakane4707 ай бұрын
no donald trump is creating this situation bell riots is what will happen if trump wins@@Syncrotron9001
@machinshin22532 жыл бұрын
these areas already exist in the real world, we call them "Sacrifice Zones". The Bell Riots will happen eventually, they have to; we are a painfully broken society at so many levels. This is what has always made Star Trek what it is, at it's greatest it shines a light on our own brokenness.
@lexguttman2 жыл бұрын
And I hope what we can be when Humanity chooses to rise above it.
@DerBeppone2 жыл бұрын
The whole debate about refugees in the EU is just infuriating. People need help and are being repelled at the walls of the societies, who actually have more than enough ressources to do so... So yeah. Everyone seem to critizise this, yet no real consequences are drawn for years now. And this didn't even start with the syrian war.
@megacide842 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned... The entire West Coast is more or less a gigantic "Sacrifice Zone" Especially most major cities in California. Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington. However... Because of those places permissive behavior and willingness to throw away millions in tax dollars constantly catering to legions of homeless and drug addicts. Cities and states across the country see this and are more than willing to take advantage of the situation by bussing their own legions of homeless and drug addicted to the West Coast and honestly speaking... I don't blame them. Especially when virtue signalling has gone horribly off the rails. Thus, inviting problems to your doorstep.
@KatrinaLeFaye2 жыл бұрын
LOL, entire neighborhoods, including the one I am in are not far off already.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@megacide84 ironically you did about 10 virtue signals yourself in this comment
@Pectabyte10 ай бұрын
This episode was in San Francisco on Polk Street. This episode is remarkably close to how San Francisco is right now. I've lived here nearly 20 years and its happening.
@batmospherecreations25489 сағат бұрын
Here in August 2024 😬 lil too real for me.
@donovanbradford82312 жыл бұрын
A well done and sad to say thought provoking video that reflects todays world. Keep em up
@nathanielengle69092 жыл бұрын
We can look at the guards and administrators as victims of the same system as the occupants of the camps. "I was just following orders" is a very common theme. No matter who's side you are on there are the masters, those that just want to exist and those that are used for political gain. The guards and administrators; yes, are caught in the middle but their choice was that of survival for themselves and their loved ones. As opposed to patriotic duty.
@yaang92582 жыл бұрын
I am just waiting for the Bell Riots in today’s society. There should be no excuse anymore for homelessness, hunger, clothing, or mental health care. The only problem is, to many middle class and higher society members don’t care, because they aren’t desperate like those of us below the poverty line. “That’s the way it is”
@lexguttman2 жыл бұрын
"...that sometimes you need to get violent in order to show change." A spicy conclusion for the times! If sadly one I've come to agree with in current times, in no small part thanks to this episode. Nonetheless, an excellent breakdown of one of my favorite (if hardest to watch personally) episodes of DS9.
@everettjohnson93742 жыл бұрын
Agreed, certain elements in certain governments tried to overturn a just election but thankfully didn't succeed and even people within that element had the guts to call out what was happening and do their duty. Tyrants should always be opposed
@MoparNewport2 жыл бұрын
Canadians tried their hearts out to make change the peaceful way. We in turn were granted the gift of military-geared police, police brutality and horse tramplings for our efforts.
@ravenRedwake2 жыл бұрын
I remember back when President Obama had to cut NASAs budget (and I don’t blame him for it, we aren’t exactly doing anything fucking meaningful even at light speed) I realized that our future is far more likely to be like Warhammer 40k than Star Trek, and if we’re lucky it will be like The Expanse or Firefly. I almost shot myself in despair.
@MedalionDS92 жыл бұрын
DS9 is not prophetic... it's that history keeps repeating itself. Having said that... brilliant two parter, knew it back in the day, still do more than ever.
@triforceofcourage1002 жыл бұрын
Humanity never seems to actually learn anything we just become better equipped to kill each other it’s sad to see
@ZontarDow2 жыл бұрын
It's almost as if Starship Troopers predicting how, when and why western democracy would collapse almost to the date nearly a century before it happened stemmed from pattern recognition of cause and effect rather then some inhuman foresight.
@MochaKimono2 жыл бұрын
Been binge-watching DS9 again lately. This ep hit a lot different after having been homeless. I've been there in the human cattle pens getting insulted and dehumanized by the better-offs for the audacity to require help to survive - there's a substrate of people who genuinely desire all the so-called Dims to perish overnight. Thank goodness it didn't take a riot to escape, but once you've been through it, you can really understand the motivation to start one. "A riot is the language of the unheard", and all... Anyway, great vid. I am now binge-watching all your lore videos too, haha.
@Alpha17x2 жыл бұрын
The Bell Riots lore has always made me wonder what the whole world looked like, because weren't there supposed to be genetically engineered supermen running a good chunk of the 'east' long enough to be exiled into space? I'm sure if there's not a full connection, writers could make it work out if they needed to but a lot of the history doesn't connect in my head.
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
It is supposedly worse in Europe, the world was on the brink
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded and apparently Neo-Trotskyists had won power in France, which is still very firmly wedded to Gaullism in real life currently. That’s quite a dramatic shift too; my guess is it was a surprise vote-winner like Brexit or something, as a response to the conditions getting worse and worse with people saying “Gaullism doesn’t work anymore, in fact maybe it caused these problems” or something.
@mariomirabal42882 жыл бұрын
the fact they had "super humans" is what justified the sanctuaries. Eugenics, after all- not just modifying the powerful, but exterminating those deemed inferior. khan just being charming and handsome shows just how little the eugenicists cared about actual improvement and more about a false pretense of superiority
@glenmassey37462 жыл бұрын
Good parallels to the apathy of what is happening in the world today.
@BirdOPrey52 жыл бұрын
I'm not convinced the Bell riots will ever come up in Picard.
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
I’m on the fence as well, I actually hope they do
@pocketheart14502 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded Picard took place a few months before the Bell Riots, so it didn't come up. But Sanctuary Districts, Brenner, UHC cards, and a bunch of other stuff were either shown on screen, shown in the newspapers or on signs in the world, mentioned in dialogue, etc.
@Bitchslapper3162 жыл бұрын
Great quote from this episode "BASHIR: But it makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are humans really any different than Cardassians or Romulans? If push comes to shove, if something disastrous happens to the Federation, if we are frightened enough, or desperate enough, how would we react? Would we stay true to our ideals or would we just stay up here, right back where we started? "SISKO: I don't know. But as a Starfleet officer, it's my job to make sure we never have to find out." We found out in season one of STP what the world looks like when starfleet officers fail at that job. Also worth noting in STP S2 E2 the Borg Queen sent Picard back to the exact year of these riots where the timeline was changed. It has to be linked to the events of this DS9 episode somehow.
@HeadlessChickenTO2 жыл бұрын
In Pale Moonlight, especially given Sisko's answer to Bashir.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t rewatched it yet but they’re in IIRC April or May, so we won’t see the riots themselves but there’s still plenty of room to tie it in such as Gabriel Bell‘s arrest or something. BTW I love how they’re tying ICE and ICE camps in with the Sanctuary Districts; when writing _Past Tense_ they had to imagine a special policing force to check for ID crimes, but we have that IRL already (with racialised overtones >.>) so using it is IMO a nice touch. ICE brings you in and takes you to a Sanctuary District. Mixing-in our reality with Trek’s instead of totally overwriting it.
@leGUIGUI2 жыл бұрын
Well, the good news is she was released and is alive. I think that alone showcase more and more people are aware the wind might change direction. still huge balls of steel for her.
@jdzencelowcz2 жыл бұрын
Fer real? Awesome. ^___^ \m/
@stevencoardvenice2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile julian Assange is rotting in prison, charged with publishing the truth about u.s. war crimes in iraq. Freedom of the press is just as dead here as it is in Russia.
@MedalionDS92 жыл бұрын
Notice in the ep they had people of different racial backgrounds looking down on the people in the sanctuary district... it was less about race, and more about classism... rich vs poor, the well to do vs the unwell
@feralguyver2 жыл бұрын
Where are you going with that observation?
@MedalionDS92 жыл бұрын
@@feralguyver Where are you going by asking that kind of question to my comment? My comment speaks for itself, there is no ill intent but it sounds like the usual people reading into things too much that occurs far too much in these days.
@hellfish23092 жыл бұрын
@@feralguyver pretty direct conclusion: wealth inequality and a rigged economy are being addressed without their intersection with race, not that it’s trivial
@feralguyver2 жыл бұрын
@@MedalionDS9 the reason we ask questions is to (or ought to be) to gain a greater understanding
@ZontarDow2 жыл бұрын
Not really a bold observation there, in fact for the past century it's been the norm, upper class looking down on the lower class, lower class laughing at the excess of the upper class, in the 90s and 00s this was at its peak, but then social justice had to infect the fringes of society and after decades of being a rare sight racism became a mainstream problem again.
@RainbowMuse22 жыл бұрын
Riot and revolution can be viable engines for change. I'm glad you understand that. I would say I hope we don't end up with sanctuary districts, but we already have migrant versions of them. Other forms aren't far off given global trends.
@MrBlink19802 жыл бұрын
What are the "migrant" versions of these sanctuary districts?
@Nostripe3612 жыл бұрын
@@MrBlink1980 I think they are talking about the growing use in western countries of making camps on their borders to deal with refugees. Politicians claim that these are only temporary until they can deal with these people but the stories of neglect from these camps are horrible and even those politicians who have run for office saying they will close them down have just continued the system
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@Nostripe361 plus they’ve been around for well over a decade by this point. Besides camps on borders, one can look at Australia’s mandatory detention on a remote island while “processing”, which is at least 20 years old as a policy now IIRC?
@danielzimmerman52792 жыл бұрын
There is to me a connection to this DS9 episode and "Non Sequitur" the 21st episode of Star Trek: Voyager, the fifth episode in the second season. it looks like Harry is living in the area that this riot took place, if you pay close attention to where Harry's apartment is located and the area he is in when leaving his apartment, it is the same location it appears.
@Its__Good2 жыл бұрын
Presumably they using the same studio back lot.
@Bitchslapper3162 жыл бұрын
@@Its__Good Yeah but it's more interesting to link them together in universe.
@jbelich2 жыл бұрын
it's the same set... and nowhere in San Francisco actually looks like that
@danielzimmerman52792 жыл бұрын
@@jbelich I understand the comment and what you're trying to say, but you could say that it is comparable to saying the Eugenics Wars between 1992 and 1996 depicted in star trek were not the same as the ones that actually took place at that time. I understand it is a show, but it is fun to imagine, leave the real world, have belief in a better time and world.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@Its__Good the lack of dropped kerbs (yes, that’s the British spelling of curbs the street fixture) in 2024 always stands out to me. Of course it’s because the backlot was built pre-ADA. It’s even more egregious in the 2370s! The Enterprise-D and the new Stargazer have ramps!
@badman30002 жыл бұрын
Has anybody ever done a video about what humanity would be like if they invented warp but didn't encounter the Vulcans.
@spiralinglight2 жыл бұрын
Or what if the klingons or romulans had done 1st contact instead
@gentlemanvanilla2 жыл бұрын
@@spiralinglight Klingons' first contact was probably with the Hur'Q.
@lugiakane4707 ай бұрын
as of 2024 according to chatgpt there are NO real people called zephram cochrane at this time we have another 40 years yet to find out
@TaliaIGhul6 ай бұрын
Skid Row here in Los Angeles resembles the Sanctuary Districts from this episode.
@lochness55243 ай бұрын
This came up in my fyp just hours after I watched this episode
@rmcdudmk2122 жыл бұрын
The bell riots are an interesting part of Trek history. A writer could use this a point in time in which one could easily create alternate timelines for the Trek universe. Just like Cochran t sting the first warp built on Earth.
@Jestersage2 жыл бұрын
I guess you didn't watch Picard?
@Padge1122 жыл бұрын
@@Jestersage I really hope they have considered it because jummp off already reaks of member berries. Q clicks, Borg Queen and Guinan at 10 forward. Slingshot time travel. I really hope the change alluding to this. But then I worry they've overlooked Sisko? Because surely he would Captain the C.S.S EarthRaiser. In our timeline he punched Q, caused biowarfare and espionage that brought romulans into the war. Through a plot he would do again. Could you imagine the psychopath he was in this timeline?
@Hrafnskald2 жыл бұрын
Good points. One key element: Out of Sight, Out of Mind. If you cannot see the suffering, it is easy to believe the official narrative that everything is fine. People only turn on a system when they are confronted with the suffering it caused. Abolition of slavery only gained popular support when abolitionists forced people to see the harm of slavery. The Civil Rights Movement succeeded in part because ordinary people were forced to see the suffering of blacks under segregation. Showing the suffering clearly is the only way to overcome systematic oppression disguised as benevolent separation. We only support such a system while we can tell ourselves the people inside do not suffer.
@madrabbit90072 жыл бұрын
When this aired I never thought that San Fran could be the site of such a district but 30 years later the town is awash in the homeless pooping and doing drugs on the open streets. I see how this could be where the districts would start.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
It is interesting that in _Picard_ not all Sanctuary Districts are walled off, some look remarkably like today’s tent towns. Which I’m sure was deliberate. (Although it’s worth noting that the writers were satirising things they saw in the news in the 90s, so it wasn’t a future projection so much as a present reflection… it’s just that things have not improved since then.)
@tedpair82192 жыл бұрын
To your message at the end: Total agreement. Further, I would not be surprised if the majority of human suffering was caused, not by malice or wickedness or corruption, but misplaced righteousness. "It's for your own good" said with full sincerity while plunging a knife into someone's back. Be it, as in this case, a government's misaimed attempt to 'solve' an issue, or the supposedly devoutly religious deciding that God isn't punishing sinners fast enough, or some other shortsighted fool who believed a complicated longstanding issue could be solved with a simple solution. How much suffering must such people cause, for our own good?
@hellfish23092 жыл бұрын
9:18 in fairness, Brinner wasn’t nearly as daring and courageous as Marina; he was more like Stephen Fry in V fir Vendetta “I can roast the Bulls and the Pigs all day… wHaT’rE tHeY gOnNa Do To MeEeEeE?!?!”
@connorhorman2 жыл бұрын
Well, glad to know I wasn't the only one to pick up on the date and place the Borg Queen talked about.
@fefnireindraer1443 ай бұрын
When DS9 became a documentary.
@ravenRedwake2 жыл бұрын
7:28 it could be a hostage negotiating tactic. You don’t say “no” you always say “I’ll do what I can” or “I’ll see what I can do” and try to have the hostage taker identify and empathize with their victims and with the negotiator.
@eriol_mits31212 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bell riots or the things leading up to them are not even mentioned in Picard despite happening at the same time. I know Voyager already messed this up when they went to 94 and there was no eugenics war but maybe that can be a little more forgiven as Khan was mainly in the middle east and Asia so might not have been as big of a factor on mainland America but this is meant to be happening in every city.
@lonnyyoung42852 жыл бұрын
I don't know. The date given was pretty specific.
@robert234567892 жыл бұрын
didn't voyager fly get sent back to earth year 1994 what would of been before alll that happened
@eriol_mits31212 жыл бұрын
@@robert23456789 Yes but it would have either been in the middle of or just after the events of the eugenics war, which happened around 92... of course in the episode there is no mention of that conflict because of course in real life 94 there was no war.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@eriol_mits3121 that wasn’t a mistake, that was an executive decision (probably Berman) saying the audience shouldn’t need to know about a TOS plot point to understand. But the writers and set dressers added a bunch of easter eggs showing it was an ongoing distant war - which has been the norm for the USA for a long time, even wars it’s involved in don’t affect the lives of civilians much besides what’s on the news.
@vullord66617 күн бұрын
*"it's not that they don't care, it's that they've given up."* This is so accurate and such a major problem. The wealth gap is growing immensely and the number of people just getting forgotten about and left behind is rising along with it. People just don't want to actually care. I can't even say I'm not one of said people. We all feel powerless and just caring becomes such a struggle, so we end up becoming complicit in a system we hate.
@katakisLives2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this I didn't see how this kind of situation could arise in the early 21st century but lately given all thats going on its seeming more and more plausible! when you see how corrupt politics is in real life and how poor people are moved on and dehumanized its disturbingly close to reality
@stevencoardvenice2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this aired when I was about 14 or 15. I'm 41 now, and I just watched this episode a couple months ago. I was disturbed by how much 2024 san Francisco looks like 2022 los angeles, where I live.
@katakisLives2 жыл бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice I'm almost the same age as you I'll be 41 very soon I probably saw this around the same age
@stevencoardvenice2 жыл бұрын
@@katakisLives I recently decided to go through the entire show for the first time. I'm in season 7 right now. Great show. I will do Voyager next. I didnt appreciate DS9 as a kid, so I only saw a few episodes here and there on tv
@katakisLives2 жыл бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice I worked through TOS recently and a few weeks ago finished the animated series too. I'm gonna watch as much trek as I can while it's still on Netflix
@stevencoardvenice2 жыл бұрын
@@katakisLives I'm an old school TNG fan. I watched the show when I was a kid when it was airing from 87 to 94, and then the re-runs on spike TV in the 2000s. I occasionally watch the show on Netflix. DS9 is different for me. I'm going through the whole series at once, basically for the first time
@julianf.wheeler3665Ай бұрын
The actors playing Webb and Preston were also paired as mom and dad in “Life Goes On.”
@JDSileo Жыл бұрын
This video is aging like fine wine and fiction and reality are becoming one. See everyone in San Fransisco next year?
@johntracy72Ай бұрын
September 1, 2024 is only 52 days from today (July 11, 2024).
@vullord66617 күн бұрын
*said 4weeks ago* 😅
@adarret2 жыл бұрын
"War is simply the continuation of political intercourse with the addition of other means.” - Carl von Clausewitz
@Lanceb1319 ай бұрын
Definitely a favorite episode of mine! Great video unpacking it IMO.
@BioGoji-zm5ph2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Jake Sisko ever looked into an Earth history book and found it strange that Gabriel Bell looked exactly like his father?
@rhocat3622 жыл бұрын
Nog mentions Sisko and Bell's resemblance in the Ferengi heavy episode "Little Green Men ",on DS9.
@jbelich2 жыл бұрын
the worst part of this episode is that the "Governor" and "Mayor" referenced we can now be sure is Greasy Gavin Newsom and London Freakin Breed
@feralguyver2 жыл бұрын
It's DeSantis
@ZontarDow2 жыл бұрын
@@feralguyver You don't see that type of poverty in Florida, but you do in California.
@MichaelJM Жыл бұрын
"Sometimes you have to get violent to show change" I think history has proven this to be true, but I also think... it's complicated. In the episode Sisko tries to walk an impossible line; take hostages, but treat them (reasonably) well and keep them alive. He knew that if he didn't keep them alive the public wouldn't take their side. They had to revolt, but further acts of violence would not get them what they wanted. Tragically what led to change was the violence perpetrated by the police. Gabriel Bell had to die and become a martyr. Violence forces a reaction and can trigger change, both good and bad. Some situations call for violence, but generally I think it's a solution of last resort. And it's that restraint that was key to the success of the Bell Riots.
@jaspr19992 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong, at all. Now, my own headcanon is that as the beginning of automation and concerns over machines taking over jobs the high-end technological 'Smart machines' would actually be able to make businesses profitable without the expenses of employees. Couple that with several billion more people than existed at the turn of the 20th century and that innovation would leave billions out of work causing the worst fears of the common people to be very much justified. Just like an elevator operators' job disappeared back in the mid 20th century, blue-collar work in the Trek universe is done only by automation with no danger to human life. Sounds great on paper, but the reality is not.
@DP-hy4vh2 ай бұрын
June 28th, 2024 - US Supreme Court rules that homelessness is a crime. The #BellRiots are right on schedule for 2024.
@jayh.lemadottir21792 жыл бұрын
**Update** Marina Ovsyannikova, a woman who stood up against the Russian Government is live and well, she was interrogated for more than 14 hours, wasn't allowed to get in touch with my family or friends, and denied access to a lawyer and has been fine for 30,000 rouble (281.69 United States Dollar).
@frozenglaicericet-pose61042 жыл бұрын
She posted a selfie with her lawyer
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
She now may face up to 15 years but I am really glad she is safe
@jayh.lemadottir21792 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded Same here.
@catherineford67412 жыл бұрын
When I saw this episode when it originally aired, I didn't think it could happen in California. Now, I'm certain it could happen here and that makes me sad.
@johntracy72Ай бұрын
Separate but equal. Where have we heard that before?
@jeremymunsch85922 жыл бұрын
I love your deep look at Star Trek and you have definitely adjusted my thinking on many trek issues. Sorry for all the hate some people shoot your way "they suck", you do a great service and produce a great product. Only thing that stands out for me is how easily you promote real world propaganda. I wish you could apply your critical eye to the real world a bit more when commenting on it. Having said that still love your stuff and always looking forward to your next take on an episode, faction, or series. Thank you.
@nemes8762 жыл бұрын
I truly enjoy your vids
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad!
@maximusjackassicus30422 жыл бұрын
See, you have more faith in Star Trek Picard writers than I do. I too assume that the Bell riots will be mentioned but I dreadfully fear that they are going back in time to make sure the right person is elected president in 2024. I don't know if they will straight up use President Trump or if they will make up a President Trump analog ,like Dr who did, but that's where I'm afraid they're going. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see.
@cmdrreggit2 жыл бұрын
I hope your wrong too... But I got a *horrible* feeling your right. Old Trek had nuance...new Trek is far to 'on the nose' for my taste.
@aeonsbeyond2 жыл бұрын
anyone who still shines Trump ass in 2022 is as big a traitor to america as he is
@stevencoardvenice2 жыл бұрын
This episode is awesome. I'm going through DS9 for the first time. I live in l.a., and the "sanctuary" zones look just like the tent cities here. I'm sure san Francisco is the same, with its massive wealth inequality and homelessness and untreated mental illness. Barbaric, just like San Francisco in 2024 in star trek
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
And a Sanctuary District in LA shown in _Picard_ is clearly one such collection of tents, I’m sure a deliberate choice.
@lancer7372 жыл бұрын
Is this about fiction or real life events?
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
You tell me?
@Jestersage2 жыл бұрын
Correct answer: yes
@rylansato2 жыл бұрын
This one scared the hell out of me when I watched it again as an adult. because I could see it happening.
@euchiron2 жыл бұрын
Prescient. This is a long time favourite of mine too ❤️
@clairemercer30992 жыл бұрын
With rapid inflation both in food and rent I can easily see 'sanctuaries' popping up.
@beezelbuzzel2 жыл бұрын
Marina Ovsyannikova is one of the most important names I've learned in the last 48 hours. That is absolutely insane to me. A "random" Russian woman should be important? She's super important. I hope she's OK..
@user-gk8eg8qr7z7 ай бұрын
Such events in history must follow the path of universal karma.
@ShanerTheGrey2 жыл бұрын
Another AWESOME video!
@Vandalia19982 жыл бұрын
Only 2 years til we see if it happens in our time line
@jean-danielcloutier67082 жыл бұрын
We have areas like the Sanctuary Districts in San Franscisco and LA, seems proffectic.
@nomemories1302 жыл бұрын
Man we are right on schedule...
@BootyWarriorFleeceJohnson2 жыл бұрын
The irony is the cause of most issues is Government Policies, then people ask government to do something, and the very people who caused the problem then make those matters worse and then as a result. People accept or revolt. But they always keep coming back to allowing government to get involved in the personal lives or policies that caused the very issues in the first place. We look to Government as Rulers and their word is final and productive when they aren’t supposed to be involved in any of that. But the issue is, WE THE PEOPLE allow it and accept it.
@dannylesbile85922 жыл бұрын
I didn't know she was persumed dead about the message hell yeah were close to this point we're just a little behind schedule sadly
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
Yea, she was luckily found not to be.. but that was the fear for a day or so.. it has precedent for people who do that to go… missing
@truebnb7 ай бұрын
Posting from start of 2024... no riots yet (supposedly less than 9 months to go to the Bell riots), but plenty of tensions rising. Concerns for overseas wars may start to spread globally, already existing economic and housing crisis only made worse by ever increasing flood of illegal immigrants into US over the last several months. Looming election by end of year only causing even more tensions on top of everything. Feels like things just keep boiling up, and if continue to get worse could reach the tipping point to cause some kind of uprising.
@JoeZasada2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Seeing ideas for something like "sanctuary districts" pop up in major cities :-(
@doom7ish2 жыл бұрын
The Bell Riot's are coming people.
@davidhughes75472 жыл бұрын
DO you know what else is violent the baneblade
@gtc99662 жыл бұрын
Love this 2 parter, if it does reappear in Picard I hope they don’t fuck it up.
@Revkor2 жыл бұрын
they will, it's Kurtzmen
@kineuhansen86292 жыл бұрын
so this may not be a thing but who think we could see sisko in picard if this ds9 episode is set where/when picard season 2 is set
@DeadRobit292 жыл бұрын
I think this is all giving too much credit to the writers of new Trek.
@drahcir84022 жыл бұрын
Would Sisko have needed to take Bell's place if he wasn't part prophet? In Trek time-travel does and does not affect the timeline. This seems to depend on the form of time-travel used, but not always. Sisko we now know by the end of the show too of been half Prophet. A species with a very different relationship with spacetime than Humans - See Siskos mum. The other form of Prophet based time-travel we know of if through one of thier orbs. A method we are lead to believe could of changed the timeline. So if Sisko wasn't part Prophet, would his presence in the past of caused Bell to of been killed, or would the fully human Sisko and Bashir just stayed as observers?
@LucianLacroix2 жыл бұрын
Sisko kicks ass.
@bennevis13142 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the bloody spoilers for Picard this week!!!
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
What spoilers? It’s been in the advertisements and in episode 1 … sooooo
@bennevis13142 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded I’ve not seen anything in episode 1 talking about the Bell Riots!
@stipe31242 жыл бұрын
They did not mention Bell Riots yet, at least not in this week's episode of Picard
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@bennevis1314 people have noticed 2024 was the year months before the premiere, and trailers had a Sanctuary District sign in the background in a few shots.
@Wizardof7 ай бұрын
Whelp we have arrived in 2024. Hard to believe it. And we are full o' crap like it says in the episode. Stay classy and outta nny way.
@comentedonakeyboard2 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, one could also draw the conclusion that it would have been better (or less bad) to outright abandon people (and leave them alone), instead of having a opressive aperatus, that still does nothing for them.
@Excalibur012 жыл бұрын
Is the Star Picard timeline now not canon because their version of 2024 kinda doesn't align with what happened with the Eugenics wars, leading to the Bell Riots in this video and then WWIII. Because according what San Fran looks like in DS9 when Sisko and Bashit went to the past...it's obvious that the writers didn't watch DS9 and remember this episode that has an exact date and time
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
Voyager cocked it up to.. we have to wait to see how accurate it is
@Excalibur012 жыл бұрын
@@LoreReloaded Yeah, Voy's Future's End aired a year after DS9's Past Tense Thanks Brannon Braga.
@Mate3972 жыл бұрын
STP as a whole is non-canon.
@feralguyver2 жыл бұрын
@@Mate397 sorry, but no. It's full canon.
@Excalibur012 жыл бұрын
@@feralguyver it belongs in a cannon
@wayneorellana25492 жыл бұрын
Wow that was good, and unfortunately had real world relevance. Heart breaking.
@Vandalia19982 жыл бұрын
How long was it from the riots until Trek’s verson of WW3 or what ever it was called
@SenorGato2372 жыл бұрын
Please, like the government would ever let homlessness get so out of hand that they have to put huge populations into safe rest villa.... I mean "Sanctuary Districts."
@KatrinaLeFaye2 жыл бұрын
So is this episode before or after the Eugenics Wars, or perhaps during?
@paulrose3192 жыл бұрын
ah the workhouse?
@maisiesummers422 жыл бұрын
Which do you think better explored social injustice? This episode? Or Season 6's Far Beyond the Stars?
@grahamturner12902 жыл бұрын
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@VolkXue7 ай бұрын
i would never compare a bunch of criminals to a story about real abused people.. Those people on Jan 6th flew in on private planes lol they were business owners and all had money.
@LoreReloaded7 ай бұрын
....wut
@Ozzy_20142 жыл бұрын
I think that is the future the ones with power want.
@MrBlink19802 жыл бұрын
What should be learned from the Bell Riots is the government can not solve social problems like poverty by spending more money on social programs. Since President Johnson declared a "war on poverty" in 1964 the government has spent over 15 trillion on welfare programs. Did that money make any systemic difference. Well, it doesn't look like it. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. About 10 years later, it was 11.2 percent, and it has not gone above 15.2 percent any year since. What helps poorer areas is more law enforcement and proactive policing. Lowering the crime rate spurs investment by private businesses. We see how the opposite idea is causing more homeless and crime in California. California has already had a homeless problem because of rising housing costs. However, with their efforts with "criminal justice reform," the crime rate and homeless problem has rose dramatically. There are already "sanctuary districts" in San Francisco, LA, Sacramento and San Diego.
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
Just from your own stats it sounds like it made a 25-50% reduction in poverty? (Plus the episode literally says government intervention to provide real homes and job opportunities is key for the existence of The Federation… so if you’re gonna make judgments about our world based on a fictional story, your comment seems a bit incoherent?)
@BreadApologist2 жыл бұрын
2024? Well its comming up soon but if we all put in the effort we can make this prediction from Star Trek be accurate!
@laurarules36422 жыл бұрын
At this point I have to think Lore is just trolling with his Ism's
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
Wut
@Revkor2 жыл бұрын
note. this is California..fitting
@donwald3436Ай бұрын
Two months to go...... lol.
@ravenRedwake2 жыл бұрын
3:33 tangentially I saw a chick with spots tattooed like a trill’s the other day.
@Lozzer702 жыл бұрын
Truth be told for about 20 mins I thought "Oh God, is Picard saying the Confederation is what happens if Trump gets back in?" Then I looked up the Bell Riots. I hope, hope they keep their political stance vague... well, I hope they don't actually link directly to near future events such as the election.
@SeruraRenge112 жыл бұрын
Yeah but as Lorerunner has pointed out, it's not as easy as just giving out jobs, what are you supposed to do when there simply isn't enough employment to go around? I mean what do you want the government to do, just create jobs that serve no purpose simply so that people get paid? Japan does that with its construction industry and billions of yen are wasted every year building highways that go nowhere just to prop up employment numbers.
@definitlynotbenlente7671 Жыл бұрын
Give people housing healthcare food and education capitalism requiers a large amount of people to be unemployed Socialism is the future
@SeruraRenge11 Жыл бұрын
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 Yes I'm sure THIS time it won't turn into a top-down dictatorship that makes everyone but the politburo poor. This time for sure.
@definitlynotbenlente7671 Жыл бұрын
@@SeruraRenge11 better than a technocratic fictatorship socialist policy dies not lead to authoritarianism Furthermore the US crushed every country trying socialism look at what happened in peru or the drc Letting others starve and dehumanise them is bit the solution the curent system only server those on top And leaves bread crubs for the rest
@megacide842 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately.... With things the way they are. We WILL see the real world equivalent of sanctuary districts. I give it till the latter half of this decade.
@JohnNathanShopper2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@farpointstation2 жыл бұрын
These damn gimmies' just don't want to work.
@ZontarDow2 жыл бұрын
This and Paradise are episodes that show how much things have changed since the 90s, since the very people who wrote the episodes agree with the politics that led to their respective dystopias but where self aware enough of this fact to not shy away from it and there's even a line about a communist government in Europe putting down a student protest as communists seem to do regularly. Given the day and age we live in and the fact there is no connection between the Bell Riots of the Star Trek canon universe and the Discovery universe I have absolutely no doubt in my mind the cause is going to be blamed on the real world solution to such problems, the solution is going to propose doubling down on the cause, and somehow white men will be collectively blamed for it. Some could call that an uncharitable prediction and to them I'd ask what they've been watching these past 6 years as it would evidently not include any American made media.
@Vladimir_The_Impaler2 жыл бұрын
Justin Trudeau was inspired by this Star Trek episode cause he didn’t get to watch all of it
@edgarthetree86912 жыл бұрын
who is here after miami announced a homeless island?
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
:(
@JaredLS102 жыл бұрын
I have subscribed and unsubscribed your channel a few times. I subscribed because of your take on star trek lore, I unsubscribed because in some of your videos you come off pretentious, that being said, the moment you mentioned a member of the media risking all made me think of that Russian journalist and then you showed it. A lot of channels are catching flack such as Generation Tech and Venom Geek Media from there followers right now for talking about the war in Ukraine and I'm glad to see you are putting yourself out there with them. I subscribe once more and I'm glad you are pointing out these real life comparisons.
@nemesisurvivorleon8 ай бұрын
a communist debate group on facebook brought me here lmao
@mikewaterfield35992 жыл бұрын
A riot is a riot, regardless of who or what it is for or against. Whether January first or the countless summer riots. There will always be malcontents, there will always be those who fall through the cracks, there will always be haves and have nots. We should always strive for improvement remembering that change is constant, and not inherently good or evil. Weather the change is for the better or the worse remains to be seen.
@mikewaterfield35992 жыл бұрын
@@SystemParanoia actually it is written by someone who has been shot, and had to deal with the “unheard”. There is a reason MLK achieved 30 times what malcom X did without violence. You sound like a toddler justifying your actions with “but its what i want!”
@kaitlyn__L2 жыл бұрын
@@mikewaterfield3599 “had to deal with the unheard” kinda sounds like the people are the problem rather than their situation..? And you’re ‘having to deal with’ them was the bigger issue? I hope you just worded it oddly though.
@mikewaterfield35992 жыл бұрын
@@kaitlyn__L fortunately this is why i live well clear of major population centers. Ironically my cost of living is far lower than it is in the nearest urban centers. While in my nearest city persons of a certain demographic were busy burning down the population centers of a certain demographic in order to “support” said same demographic. My point is no matter how angry or justified the anger may be rioting is not the way to effect change. It is terrorism with a mob mentality. Regardless of how justified the goal of that mob night be.
@legokingtm94622 жыл бұрын
9:17 she was fine 200 pound lol... "Presumed dead" c'mon the Russian gov aren't that bad.
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
She was when I uploaded it actually.. I’m glad the outcry ensured she was found ok
@LoreReloaded2 жыл бұрын
And she still faces jail time of up to 15 years.. not to spoil a pro Russian bots fun of course :)