Really?Awful batteries take forever to charge and are built like crap!

Torque test channel has a great video on these. As far as my understanding goes they use quality stuff

Never put a hot battery on a charger. It the charger thinks it to hot or risky, it will brick the battery.

@@deandohertygreaserI agree you should never actually charge a hot battery - especially fast charge. However Makita's own FAQ states that for platforms like LXT with active cooling, it is ok to put it on the charger when hot. The charger will detect the hot battery, and run cooling only until it is at an acceptable temperature before it actually starts trying to charge it.

Was thinking that. They will have to address that.

In addition to a brittle plastic shell, can't charge on the tool chargers, and you have to use USB c to charge it. USB c is not a robust enough connection for a job site. That USB connecter will be snapped off in no time. Plus dust and debris getting in the charge port. Not ready for prime time.

@@littlejackalo5326 Agreed. Plus depending on your charger, it will take longer to charge compared to the tool charger.....

On the campaign pages comments looks like they have addressed that.

Are you located in the US?

@@SpeakEasy2 no, wrong hemisphere sorry!

It’s a 4.0AH battery. Not gonna last long in a 9” grinder. Does anyone make an 18/20V 9” grinder? Best to look at this for what it can do, not what it can’t.

Alot of adapters out there are already 3D printed.

But the battery supports power delivery 3.0, so it can negotiate the voltage so that it there are no conversion losses, so it can charge the battery more efficiently and rapidly. Just get a good usb-c cable and a charger, rapid charging is built in, everything else just depends on how many outputs your charger has and how many cables you have.

I am using the usbc laptop charger and it can do 150 watts... But If you want to get shafted by a tool company and pay exorbitant amounts of cash for a two or four bay charger then go ahead.. even apple got forced by the European courts to use USB tape c. Charging by USB tape c is now the gold standard. anyone who thinks that has a lack of power needs to look it up on Google. I use pd 3 with pps.

PD "Power Delivery" is a protocol using USB C and a good charger (15-20 bucks for a good phone charger) and can be the equivalent of a "traditional" charger at 100Wh or 5 Amp hour. So I think they have it sorted.

I assume you can charge them via the charger when the adaptor is on too

​@@Cerv3rajust looked up the specs of my Milwaukee 6 Bay rapid charger. Granted it will charge four batteries at a time (2 per side) but it says the output is 5.5 amps and 18 volts, convert that over to Watts and it's 108 w, I had no idea you could get 100 w through a USBC cable. If that's the case then these things will be pretty good, you just have to purchase extra cables or wait for them to come out with a purpose-built charger so you can have multiple on standby ready to go

None of the top tier tool manufacturers support Ampshare, other than Bosch, and probably never will. Don't get me wrong, some of those brands make top notch equipment in their field, but only in their usually very narrow field that does not support their own battery ecosystem. Using Bosch (or Makita) batteries is just making sense in their case. I'd love a unified battery, but I don't expect that we will see it. Also, I find it rich from Bosch to come up with this, when they themselves made (maybe still make?) two different 12V batteries for the blue and green tools that are made intentionally incompatible by the contour of the molded plastic back piece. When a user asked in their forum why that is the Bosch guy came up with some BS about using higher quality cells in the blue tool batteries. The user then posted photos of both disassembled batteries showing the exact same cells in both.

2028 it becomes law in europe all batterys to fit each other

@@jonsmith1690 That would be very cool but first I heard, do you have a reference to read more? Obviously it raises a huge issue how to handle existing systems so that's why I doubt it is true.

@@stefantrethan As someone that sells power tools for years now i oftenly talk with people from different brands, Bosch included. And Bosch organize trainings at least twice a year where we can talk in person with their trainers and with the managers. Last october we had more time to talk without any bs and marketing and i asked the trainer the same question i ask every time but ask him to explain me the acctual reason why Bosch still divides their battery platforms and his answer that time was kind of reasonable - he said that they are confident that the "green" tools can work perfectly well with "blue" batteries and the other way around, because they use just as good cells in both platforms, BUT they are not built the same way, and if the "green" batteries fit the "blue" tools most people will buy "green" batteries just to save some money. But because the "blue" baterries are made with much better cooling, better electronics (can't say if thats true), better dust and water resistance, and can take much more beating, those batteries are meant for the jobside where the "green" ones wont last that long, and are much easier to be damaged, and damaged battery can damage the tool, and that cost the customer more time and nervers. But because most customers think that you bs them just to take more money from them, and don't believe any explanation, and because most salesmen don't like to waste time explaining why you have to spend more money for better product and why thats better product (mostly because they don't really care and don't know) Bosch kind of force the customers to buy what they actually need, and not what they want to spend money for. And may be they have a point... because with my experience Bosch batteries, both blue and green are among the most reliable, probably because blue tools users can't use green batteries.

Ampshare? Never heard of it. Various smaller brands making specialized tools use the Bosch and Makita System anyways. There will never be a common battery system between the big brands.

Likewise rigid.

Me same. I started with the Ryobi line bcs I needed/foresaw that they had/would have specialty/infrequently used tools the other brands didn't/won't have for a reasonable/low price. Like my glue and heat guns, gras trimmer and mini air compressor. Then, and way before I learned anything from watching Dean, I chose to go for Makita for my everyday, reliable and reasonably powerful (and as I've learned, more easily repairable) tools.

Also missing harbor freight's bauer and hercules batteries

... and you have a truckload of different batteries and chargers ... Now you can fix that.

But does that adapter have under voltage protection

​@@Morten_Sylvestersengood question

@@Morten_Sylvestersen Likely not but if you don't run the tools until the battery is dead, it's not an issue and still better solution than the CEENR.

@@Morten_Sylvestersen Undervoltage protection is done by the BMS-PCB inside the battery. (at least if you have a known brand one or high quality replacement)

Good point, no. Default batteries for example outsource cell balancing to the charger, that's why their charger is using 5 pins on the battery. Pörter-Kable batteries don't have overdischarge protection in them, they rely on the tool to cut off; Mackeetas use different value thermistors than Default/Pörter/B&D and so on.

must check that video out

im hoping that myself. it would be good if they could do it for all the big brand all nicad tools. it could bring a lot of old tools back to work again

thats a good point, i have cooked tools before by lifting the wrong battery.

90 minutes to full acc. to their website. A 4Ah Makita is specified at 40 minutes to full with their charger.

only by usbc

You must have good insurance against fire ;-)

@@stefantrethan cylindrical cells catch fire all the time. LiFePO4 is generally safer with less risk of overheating or thermal runaway. Also, there’s a reason tool brands are starting to embrace “stacked lithium” pouches (DeWALT PowerStack, Flex 24V, and Milwaukee FORGE). I’m just saying that their batteries should be a clear upgrade to the originals so that they will be a premium alternative, not just an adaptable also-ran.

thanks, all get more up soon

USB-C only: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n8enoNyamajQmo0.html

they also have a 5ah. i would imagin when they are up and running they will add a second row of cells to make this a 8ah battery

Yes Cryobi is big when the amount of tools is considered, they are just below all these brands, sorry

chraged with a usb c, no charger needed.

it dose, i opened it up to look, nicely built also, with a massive board inside.

@@deandohertygreaser Great stuff, cant wait to see a teardown. I repair more as a hobby and find manually balancing a faulty battery you can usually get years more life. (If its not damaged a cell)

think this 4ah take around 90min

no

@@deandohertygreaser Right, I just remember Metabo had the same batteries as a bunch of other German tool brands.

yes

Nope. :(

just checked that, and yes. it dose charge on the bosch charger

@deandohertygreaser , how about others, makita doesn't like some replacement boards fitted to genuine battery assembly's.

@@hamaneenee as of a video of Tools & stuff they don't have any logic on the Makita adapter, there are no electronic components on the board which the yellow contact is connected to. So it won't be able to be charged on a Makita charger.

Well I have no interest in buying these , no need for them.

They won't suit everyone.

then you need more batteries.

will do