The Budget 85mm Options: Canon RF 85mm f2 Macro IS STM vs Canon EF 85mm f1.8: Is RF worth double?

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Justin Myers

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@mellopup 4 ай бұрын

Great video, very informative. Thank you!!!

@PromoMoviescomau 3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting about the RFs auto focus, thanks. Looks like I will stick with the trusty EF version for now.

@NeilSnapePhotography 2 жыл бұрын

The old i.8 85 is quite sharp as long as you are past f2.2 or more. At f8 it can be very sharp. IS is definitely an advantage with a 85mm, for portraits and fashion. It is not about low light, it is about taking out hand held mouvements. Sure if one could the RF is very good for the price, yet I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the EF 1.8 to anyone. I have made great pictures with my 85mm on my old 5DMKIII no regrets.

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Yes the EF lens does resolve better as you stop down the aperture, but still doesn’t keep up with the RF. That’s exactly my point about the IS in the lens. And if you are using an 85mm lens on full frame, the average photographer would need to be using a very slow shutter speed in order to see any motion blur from handheld shooting. It’s not about saying one lens isn’t good, I still shoot with the EF 85mm as well. But, there are areas where it’s several-decades-old design definitely doesn’t keep up with modern lenses. Again, that doesn’t mean it can’t be used. It’s all about finding what works for you and fits within your budget! So, are portraits and fashion what you mainly shoot?

@JesusIsComingSoonRepent Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone buy an f1.8 or lower to shoot at F8? Just a geniune question.

@jseboudoir 6 ай бұрын

That's a good point to consider! How often will you need the image stabilization when hand holding, and how often will one be shooting in low light? I also appreciate that you even mentioned that at that focal length, if you're shooting at 1 to 200th of a second if not faster, will IS even be needed?

@68644731 Жыл бұрын

Obrigado pelas dicas

@BlueSkyBonsai 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin, I shot almost all of my latest video on the RF85 and it nailed focus bang-on throughout. No hunting etc. What was diffent? It was on the tripod. So I guess it's okay for video as long as the camera is stationary. But not ok for walkaround shooting.

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s a good point. And all of the usable shots I got with the lens were after I had set up the shot, waited to get focus set and then was stationary. But as far as recommending performance like that for a video lens, it’s way too unreliable for me to say that’s a good purchase for a video shooter. But for someone like you who already has it and can use it for stationary shots, definitely

@yvesfortin3643 Жыл бұрын

Since I've been using the RF85mm f2, it's convinced me that I'll never go back to the old EF85mm f1.8. I really like the RF's fine manual focus precision. The rendering and contrast of the RF is far superior to the EF. I don't understand why there's so much negativity about this excellent lens.

@user-sy7di5qy7d 5 ай бұрын

and what about the sigma 85 mm 1.4 ef, which one you prefer?

@MartinFransson Жыл бұрын

Very happy I chose the EF 85 seeing how the RF performs for video!

@dxgable Жыл бұрын

How is the ef 85 for video from your experience? Is it still sharp even though so old?

@MartinFransson Жыл бұрын

@@dxgable Yes, really sharp. A bit of colour fringing at f/1.8 but nothing that bothers me. Working on a film with clips from the 85 right now, will be on my channel later.

@RyanKemperinOhio 3 жыл бұрын

Did you play around with the three focusing modes on the side of the lens? I assume it’d be a lot faster if you turned it to the further distanced selection while in video?

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

I did use the focus limiter, yes. I believe mentioned that in the video, but it did not help unfortunately

@user-ds5ys2cf6f Жыл бұрын

Good afternoon. You talked about the Canon 85mm f2 RF lens. I bought the same one, but I wanted to ask: the retractable lens is a little backlash both in the extended and in the original state in relation to the main body, perhaps because of the stabilizer, perhaps structurally. The backlash is approximately 0.5 mm. Is this how it should be?

@JustinMyersPhoto Жыл бұрын

I’m not exactly sure what you mean as far as backlash. The extending structure of the lens might not be exactly flush with the static portions of the lens. As long as the lens is operating normally while focusing and taking images, you shouldn’t need to worry

@beehthephotographer 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

No problem! Are you using or looking into one of these lenses?

@beehthephotographer 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto Yeah! Looking into getting the rf version. Your comment about video is got me thinkin

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@beehthephotographer ya, what kind of video do you shoot and how much video vs photo? If you do a lot of video, especially anything handheld or with camera motion using autofocus, I would not suggest the RF 85mm f2

@josephmonreal00 Жыл бұрын

Would you recommend the Canon EF 85mm for Product Photography? The product being shoes.

@JustinMyersPhoto Жыл бұрын

Probably not, just because of the limitation of the minimum focus distance. I think the RF 85mm would be great for that, or obviously, one of the 3 Canon 100mm macro lenses

@stephanecalleri4692 5 ай бұрын

Does anyone know if the EF 85mm is good for sports photography? It seems that the focus is speed enough. It will be mounted on Eos r8. Thank you.

@G95G95 2 ай бұрын

It's plenty fast enough for sports, the RF however is unusable with any motion at all.

@stephanecalleri4692 2 ай бұрын

@@G95G95 thanks a lot! 😊

@tap6943 2 жыл бұрын

I cannot find any advantages of replacing the EF 85L II.

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Ya, it’s usually not advantageous to replace L lenses with entry level versions of the lens, unless someone just wants a smaller/lighter kit maybe

@svencichowicz3744 2 жыл бұрын

Great 👍🏼 thank you

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

No problem! Are you using or looking at getting one of these lenses?

@svencichowicz3744 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto I am going to buy a used EF for my R6 (mostly filming)

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@svencichowicz3744 okay nice, that’s a solid choice for the price, especially if you can find a good used one. What kind of video do you typically shoot?

@svencichowicz3744 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto Great! Right now it’s mostly cooking videos, corporate interviews and wedding 😄 In all of these a 85 mm 1.8 comes very handy to shoot nice details.

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@svencichowicz3744 okay cool! Ya, I love the 85mm for detail shots in pretty much every scenario

@Arhpeco 2 жыл бұрын

Used EF 100 mm f2.8 L macro is about the same price as new RF 85 f2. Is that the better option since both lenses here seem kind of flawed? Im planning to sell my EF 85mm f1.8, 50 2.5 macro and possibly 135 f 2 L for more versatile alternative.

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Completely depends on your usage. If dedicated macro photography is what you tend to do, definitely the EF 100mm L Macro. If you also do portraits or something where you like to have the 85mm focal length, I thought the RF 85mm f2 did great for that. And honestly, I didn’t have any issues with the RF 85mm f2 in photography. However, it can only shoot 50% magnification where the EF 100mm L Macro can shoot 1:1. I’ve actually never used the EF 100mm for portraits, but I have heard others complain that the bokeh quality at that distance is a bit too harsh. That’s definitely going to be personal preference though. What types of photography and/or videography do you typically shoot?

@Arhpeco 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your reply. I mostly photograph family/weddings in nature and products/ historical artifacts in (makeshift) studio. I use 5d mark 4 (that will be sold off in 1-2 years) and eos R. I hope to expand into video sometime in the future. I share the gear with my girlfriend as we collaborate on many projects. I found 100 mm f 2.8 L for good price so i will probably buy that and live with more clinical look.

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@Arhpeco okay cool. Ya, the EF 100mm L macro is still a great lens and if you found it for a good price 👍 Hope you enjoy shooting with it!

@MorenajeRD 2 жыл бұрын

how much do you want for the EF 85mm f1.8??

@pedroprietolopez330 3 жыл бұрын

Samyang 85mm f:1.4 for Canon Rf is the best option for budget. Bokeh and video are perfect. Thanks!!!

@pedroprietolopez330 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto It's sharp even at 1.4, produces very rich colors , bokeh, and focuses fast. I use a Canon Rp

@pedroprietolopez330 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto portrait, usually

@pedroprietolopez330 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto Yes. It's my go...

@genobkk 3 жыл бұрын

Yes I am thinking about buying the Samyang 85 1.4 I would love to hear from more people using it. I will use on my eos R body

@philipquaicoe9514 2 жыл бұрын

Is the Samyang 1.4 better than the Sigma 1.4? 85mm lens

@davidandersonpark Жыл бұрын

EF 85mm f1.8 is just a full of chromatic abberations. I do not recommend antic EF version lens.

@G95G95 2 ай бұрын

I'm sorry but this is not a accurate comparison, the stills AF speed between the two is not even in the same universe, the EF can focus three times in the time it takes the RF to loudly hiccup it's way to focus, even with the focus limiter set to limit to the EF's range.

@Mafatgid Жыл бұрын

Thanks , I know what lens I'll buy. Avoiding the RF😂

@RandomGuy-qn2fr 2 жыл бұрын

There is a lot of chromatic abrasion on the rf 85 f2 compared to the ef 85 1.8

@RandomGuy-qn2fr 2 жыл бұрын

i ran tests on both the rf 2 and the ef 1.8 and the sharpness is much much better on the ef 1.8 than the rf 2. If you compare a brick building for example the corners and edges look more rounded on the rf 2 which is completely unrealistic compared to the ef 1.8 while the ef 1.8 has sharper edges and corners on brick buildings. The reason you're seeing a color difference between the rf 2 and the ef 1.8 is because the rf 2 is color saturated. The lack of light coming in the rf 2 which made it frustrating for me to photograph buildings this morning and yesterday. I noticed the severe lack of details in the rf 2 compared to the ef 1.8 because of this. More light better images. Granted the color saturation in the rf 2 looks better for sky portraits of clouds and blue skies but at a cost of it's surroundings and clarity of objects

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Ya, I definitely did not see better sharpness from the EF lens. I consistently notice that it can’t resolve the resolution of the sensors I’m using. I didn’t test corner sharpness, because it’s not something that I find particularly useful for anything I have ever shot. Keep in mind though that one thing you might be noticing as you get into the corners with these two lenses is the difference in rendering due to rounded elements in the EF lenses and flat elements in the RF lens that allow it to get to “half-macro” focusing distances. I didn’t find the ~1/3 stop darker exposure from the RF lens to be problematic at all. Just expose the image correctly. 1/3 - 1/2 stop higher ISO is not going to make a discernible difference in image quality on modern cameras. So what kind of photography do you typically shoot?

@RandomGuy-qn2fr 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto scenic landscape lakes mountains sky beach ocean and astrophotography and some wild life birds in flight. i do my work on the RP

@RandomGuy-qn2fr 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto it was corner and edge sharpness of buildings not of the whole photo. you can see a substanial difference between the ef and rf. the ef blows away the rf with regards to that

@JustinMyersPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@RandomGuy-qn2fr gotcha, the RP is a very capable camera, especially for the price point. I’ve never done any Astro work though, but it seems like it works for you for that?

@RandomGuy-qn2fr 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto I haven't tested the rf 85 out for astrophotography yet. i only tested it on a day sky today and yesterday. I do all my astrophotography on an ef 70mm-300mm f/4-5.6 with the RP and it works so much better than my previous T7 ever did. I been wanting to take pictures of Jupiter but that requires a lens of 3000mm or 3200mm and it has to be captured on video and stacked

@68644731 Жыл бұрын

Amei

@KoldPhaze 3 жыл бұрын

2:44 i saw this and was shocked & disappointed until i saw the RF 3:00 and it seemed just as similar/noisy

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

So, the noise comes from the camera sensor and not the lens. They were both taken on the R6 which is why the noise level looks the same. What you can compare here is the level of detail. Notice specifically around the eyes (the point of focus), there is much less detail with the EF 85mm than with the RF. Not to say the EF is a bad lens, but it is close to a 30 year old design and wasn’t designed to keep up with modern sensors. On a higher resolution sensor, the difference becomes more and more noticeable. Do you shoot with or looking to get one of these?

@KoldPhaze 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto Oh yes i noticed the sharpness initially but i was just so shocked by the noise/quality so when i saw the RF version i was somewhat relieved that they weren't leagues apart wether it was due to the camera and not the lens

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@KoldPhaze okay gotcha. Ya, that is cropping in way too far for a 20MP image, thus how pronounced the noise is. Just wanted to illustrate that the EF couldn’t quite resolve 20 MP. What kind of photo and/or video do you typically shoot?

@KoldPhaze 3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinMyersPhoto I have the 85 EF i was just watching comparison videos with other lenses this video just reasured me that as a casual/hobbiest the 85 EF will be more than fine for me for years to come especially with the price you usually pay for it

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@KoldPhaze oh definitely, I t’s a great lens for the price! I still own it as well!

@genobkk 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t mean to be a hater but you often ramble and rabble and keep repeating the same thing. Please prepare better and desperate your topics. I have never watch and entire post from you. The stumbling all over the place on your topics is annoying

@JustinMyersPhoto 3 жыл бұрын

Aw thanks, I appreciate you not being a hater

@stfurob3142 2 жыл бұрын

There was definitely a more polite way to say this.