Lmfao your defense was so good you lost to Indiana in 14 and want to talk shit to Duke. Hmm why don’t you come down to the Duke. The defense is not new. Pleeeese! The vid is just a bs one.

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS It looks to me like other teams play there starters. Wisconsin did when they lost and went to Final Four: goravens.ca/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-at-Carleton-August-21-2013.pdf You can look at box score including minutes right there. Kaminsky, Dekker, all the big boys played full minutes

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS Witchita State played its big boys too: goshockers.com/news/2016/8/7/mens-basketball-great-wheat-north-shockers-battle-carleton.aspx The guys with the most minutes all started and played the most minutes vs Kentucky in the NCAA tournament later that year when Witchita lost by 3 points to a Kentucky team that would in turn lose by 2 to eventual champion North Carolina. It is just false to say these teams did not play their starters

Basic middle school coaching!

Oregon State's zone defense was very similar

lol i go to carleton and i never knew

Because it's not about hockey. LOL

I’ve known for a long time. I did grow up in Ottawa though. Now I go to Carleton.

Cause people aren’t as interested and have less of a sports culture

Nope I’m not in Ontario but this blew my mind. How is this guy not given a chance to coach or be involved in NBA???

Is the D super sophisticated or is it really just force left and don't overhelp? If Jay Wright was confused that tells you something. Except if they're getting normal college kids how can they teach them something Jay Wright can't understand? I'm not getting it.

@@johntallanger4036 it’s such a different look from anything you’ve ever seen playing basketball at the highest levels in America. Also it looks much different when you’re on the floor vs on film. When help does come it comes from weird places and it takes a lot of your muscle memory away, forcing you to think, which is always a bad thing. In our case, our smartest offensive players, who understand where help is supposed to come from and how to attack it, had a hard time anticipating how the defense was going to react to any given situation, and those overaggressive closeouts force a decision in typically limitless and advantageous situations as far as options go. Another thing is no team in D1 plays this way so it’s a lot of unlearning to do for one game. Overall it’s pretty intricate though it looks simple on the surface, which is why it’s hard to play against and also why no one can really replicate it.

@@BranJ89 Interesting. I can't figure out how they're teaching something that complicated. Do you think they're getting super smart players? Take years for guys to get on the floor? Even defenses that are considered sophisticated don't have those kinds of read and react components built in. I personally never trust players to make a series of judgement calls on the floor or remember the specifics of who is a shooter or non-shooter. Hard enough to get everyone to be 100 out of 100 disciplined about the basic principals of a unique D, let alone start improving.

@@johntallanger4036 well you can tell they practice the hell out of it. I don’t think they’re above average intelligence, the coach just understands how to make it make sense to the players. I did notice that the guys who played the most minutes on their team were generally older so maybe the judgement calls are a product of experience but I’m sure they drill the mess out of it in practice.

@@BranJ89 Thanks. That helps. Is it a fundamentally superior way to play D? Would you coach/teach the system? Or do think their coach just has a feel for it and it's his thing that he just teaches really well? Another guy on here was coached by Carreltons coach on the national team. Sounds like it's just a force left system and that it didn't go that well. Seemed like guys were not executing the force left part enough. Which, most guys don't realize how extreme you have to think and be to create a true force. My take is it's a force left system but the coach is super strict about making sure that force left happens every single time. Once you can create a new pattern like that everyone abides by you can start adding wrinkles and complications and it'll look genius. But if your starting point is a force left system-- or even force right system -- and guys are only doing it 90% of the time it won't work.

Problem is go to Div 1 you have to send a significant percentage of your schools sports to Div 1, you can’t just send one team. Carleton men’s basketball could easily join a mid major Div 1 conference but none of their other sports programs are good enough. You can send individual teams to Div 2, but U sports is on par or better than Div 2 so there’s no real point

They'd finnish 10-18 in the Big 10, 8-21 in the ACC

Cocorna 32 based on what

btw it's USports...hasn't been called CIS for years lol

@@cocorna3282 that doesn't seem to account for the video you've just watched, but ok zoomer

If these canadian schools had to go through the processes of the NCAA it would change them. Best they keep doing exhibition imo. NCAA are some crazy dictators.

They would choke in their first game. . . lol

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS It looks to me like other teams play there starters. Wisconsin did when they lost and went to Final Four: goravens.ca/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-at-Carleton-August-21-2013.pdf You can look at box score including minutes right there. Kaminsky, Dekker, all the big boys played full minutes

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS Witchita State played its big boys too: goshockers.com/news/2016/8/7/mens-basketball-great-wheat-north-shockers-battle-carleton.aspx The guys with the most minutes all started and played the most minutes vs Kentucky in the NCAA tournament later that year when Witchita lost by 3 points to a Kentucky team that would in turn lose by 2 to eventual champion North Carolina. It is just false to say these teams did not play their starters

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Crazy but true

I was at one of the games they lost to Lakehead in Thunder Bay. It was incredible. The building was packed-out and electric. Standing room only. I believe it was Carleton’s first (and only?) regular season loss of the season. As an Ottawa area high school basketball player it was really cool to see Dave Smart coach in-person. Dude was intense.

NBA level coaching is honestly not that great.

@@porterwake3898 it's really nba scoring policy they implemented bew rules 2017-2018 to make it easier on offense , anything can be called a foul now. No handchecking at all. Horrible I remember a game lakers vs thunder it was awful like 70 whistles

@@porterwake3898 it’s worlds above college tho surprisingly. Look at Rick pitino for example. Another example is brad stevens being an all time coach in college absolutely and transforming butler and being just good to great in Boston. Coaching from ncaa to nba is a gigantic gap unlike cfb to nfl( which is still quite a gap)

Depends completely on what level of competition.

Random Guy It’s more like a players ego is an important part of how they can bring a team victory, but it isn’t the most important part. The team has to be on the same page at the end of the day.

Random Guy imagine thinking egos win games🤣🤣 chill your ego out and you’ll understand

Blazin wings It’s funny though, if you look at somebody like Lebron James whose all about the team game, because a lot of the times he lacks that ego and that fire that MJ and Kobe had, it’s actually caused him to lose more. There definitely needs to be a balance of both at the highest level of play. Much more than high school and college. Too much of it and you end up like Russell Westbrook, not enough and you hold yourself and your team back.

@Liam d-did you just...call Lebron...HUMBLE???

Me more

They do a good job of finding talent. I don’t understand why this is so shocking to people that they’re good against American schools. There’s not that many universities or colleges in Canada that push basketball like that. This gives schools like carleton a huge advantage to get some of the best talent from across Canada for their program because they’ve built up a reputation within Canadian basketball. I mean it’s not like Canada is some tiny country like Iceland. If you look for talent in a huge ass country you’ll find it and since they don’t have to compete with a shit load of school’s for talent like in the US they can just scout and build.

@@mikeyjames because NCAA gets so much exposure everyone thinks it's basically pro ball

MJ and Kobe?

Liam the exceptions prove the rule.

qbQubii no the exceptions show that it makes sense for the majority of players but not the highest level ones. The best should have the ball in their hands.

Liam You obviously didn’t get it

Liam Kobe and Jordan were great passers. They just didn’t pass because the ball should be in their hands.

Where you play at broski

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@@MagicCityFLA 343 now

Referencer E it’s both😂

Lol Ottawa represents we're here

Yessir. Ottawa gang🤟

Thatsssss CRAZY

@@dc7236 what’s crazy? 6 points in the 4th Qtr? What beginning, middle, last minute? 6 points is nothing.

Charles Hantomacos is the head coach of the International Academy with FIBA, right?. I grew up playing ball with him. He was the assistance coach, this year, for the U16, All-Canadian team. 2021. Amazing knowledge of the game.

My brother went to carleton and im going to play on the basketball team that quote is so funny

"Last Chance U" lol

For the uninitiated; in Ontario all universities have a friendly rivalry and we all make fun of each other If you can walk and talk, go to Brock If you can walk faster, go to McMaster Laurier is the "high school down the street" from Waterwoo

@@grege5074 "hold a fork/go to York"; Try Real Education Next Time (Trent)

Greg E is there one for uOttawa?

It's easy when everyone is on the same page as to what is happening and what the concepts are. Otherwise, you have everyone playing under a different defensive philosophy and strategy and they all look like shit.

Are they getting super smart, disciplined, kids that the US doesn't have access to for some reason? I'm not getting it. How can they have a system that has a complexity level that Jay Wright can barely follow it but teach it to normal college kids? Does it require the players multiple years to learn it before they can step on the floor?

@@johntallanger4036 They tend to take alot of local kids who are familiar with the team and respect Smart so when they walk in the door they already know what they're in for

@@crayolapencils247 That makes sense. It could conceivably work at any level. It would just severely limit the players you could use bc of the amount of dumbasses in basketball.

Me Lmaooo

Hell yea i love both channels now🏀🌎

Which Coach Daniel video did you come from? Can't seem to find where he mentioned this team or channel

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS i feel you but hey i respect any team thats going to make you use ur off hand. I was watching nba last night that shyt wouldnt work cuz every1 is good af using both hands lol

Being good at your left and right hand is necessary

​@@abc-hl8jxnot as much as youd think. Even at the nba player players are pretty strong hand dominant. And it makes sense No matter how good you get at your offhand, chances are your strong hand is still better so why its still best to use it significantly more. The offhand becomes more of a counter rather than a primary playstle.

@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS I attended multiple NCAA-U Sports exhibition games. When Duke played McGill. All of their starters played their minutes when the game was still on the line. RJ Barrett and Zion Williamson went berserk in the first half. The coaches of the South Florida and Quinnipiac universities, while playing University Laval, didn't disturbed their rotations minutes neither. Next time, you should took the time to watch those games or look at the Boxscore...

@AA Sharp You think players like Zion Williamson and Coach Krzyzewski aren't taken their game against McGill seriously? I was there. Zion Williamson finished with 36 points, 12 rebounds and three blocks. The intensity displayed by Duke's players was incredible. They did take it seriously. Because, after 4 minutes of play, McGill was ahead, until a McGill player started to trash talk RJ Barrett (if I remember correctly). I'm not saying U Sports teams would compete against the top tier D1 teams.

Well in volleyball trinity western and u of a absolutely dogged UCLA, if Hawaii played trinity last year they woulda lost

I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS CAN YOU PLEASE STOP TYPING LIKE THIS AND MAKING DUMBASS EXCUSES FOR AMERICAN TEAMS THAT SHOULD PLAY AT EXTREMELY HIGH LEVELS! AMERICAN TEAMS LITERALLY HAVE ALL OF THE BEST CANADIAN PLAYERS AND CANADA HAS RANDOS

@@rory_M very cool

@@rory_M then how come Carleton beat these d1 teams?

I read this ahead of time and thought you were exaggerating until I literally did the same thing when I saw it 😂

Isn't "shock coverage" just hedge and recover? Similar to how UVA covers on-ball screens?

@@clevefisher5726 Hedge and Recover the guard typically chases over top of the screen instead of going under. The role of the big is similar between the two coverage's though

Interesting coverage that I haven't really seen much of before, thinking offensively how to take advantage of it, if the ball handler waited a split second and allowed his defender to go under and onto the other side of the ball screen, couldn't they then just have the big immediately twist and re-screen and you would have both defenders on the wrong side of the ball screen?

Love this video and I agree that's the part that caught my eye. I was hoping he elaborated

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@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS all made up. They werent bench warmers at all. Salty American spotted.

@@DontBeClueless514 it's a troll account read the name not salt

Or maybe top 1?

The reason we should is..... 1. They can hang 2. Slices things up, giving fans a unique fan experience. 3. Opens up having the “final four” in a Toronto or Vancouver.

Ok yeah, this video wasn't making sense to me. Does it require multiple years to learn the system? A unique level of intelligence? If Jay Wright was confused then how are Carleton's players getting it? A disciplined "force left, don't overhelp" with some quirks is really about the limit of what you can do in most cases unless you have genius level players and take a lot of time teaching them.

What were the parts you guys were having the hardest time with? And do you think if you were given more time with it that it would be effective? Also, was Smart able to recognize it was too much to absorb quickly and wasn't really working?

@@johntallanger4036 it was a combination of things, the biggest factor was probably just time practicing that system. Most guys have played most types of defence and have drilled enough to know the help rotations depending on what the team is doing, but not enough of the team were able to adjust. The most important player in this defence is the on ball defender, the rest of the team can adjust based on what he's doing. If the guy on the ball doesn't force left then if a pick comes or if he gets beat right, then the whole defence has to adjust and it's usually a delayed reaction that chains down the line as the guys try and recover and no one knows for sure what the others guys are going to do. First help, mostly a big in a pick and roll situation, is out of position and so he's either got to try and switch or gives up a shot, the 2nd helper who would be taking the roller doesn't know if there's going to be a switch or not either doesn't get there in time for the roller, or he does, but then leaves the skip pass open because the guard on the ball either switched onto the big or chased his man. It got to the point that when we had to adjust like that, the other team had their way and could pick us apart. We were better off just picking one defence everyone knew and sticking with it.. the problem was we had been practicing the force left system the whole time. It was a good defence when everyone was on the same page..so yeah it was mostly just an issue of time spend practicing it.

@@archetypicalmind Thanks. What you described is mostly my read on it. At the end of the day it seems like it's just a force left system but where he drills to death to execute that component of it. Once everyone on the team forces everything left every single time without a question then you have something to work with. At that point such a new pattern of play has been created that any wrinkles and complications you add will look and sound genius. But getting everyone to do it correctly ever time is the bitch of the thing. You could probably do a "force right" defense too and if you can get everyone to do it every single time it'll work.

@@johntallanger4036 you could drill any defence to death and it will work mechanically.. I think the reason force left has been so successful for Smart is that statistically players are weaker with the ball in their left hand.. satistically worse at passing one handed left, driving hard and finish left, that kind of thing. When it's done successfully the ball will get pushed into the corner and you can shoot gaps for passes / over play the first pass because any skip passed will be lobbed or off target. It's been a while but I think this video was for highschool, so the players being weaker left would be even more apparent in this set up.

Exactly

Fax saw ryerson vs Duke and it was hype

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@I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS But by that logic, the players that Carleton is recruiting are probably less talented than even the 3rd-stringers on major D1 programs. It doesn't take away from the idea that their defensive schemes are high-class. It's quite likely that they do have fewer 1 and dones than NCAA D1 programs, so they have more time for players to learn the system, but they're also dominating their own division as well. Anyone not impressed at a 90%+ win rate will be quite difficult to impress at anything, I guess.

Fellow Dal alum alum here. Dal lead after three quarters and then Carleton poured it on in the last 10 minutes or so. :(

You can say stuff like that about jump stops like an old high school coach, but on a dead ball in the paint, the trap/double/triple is coming instantly. There isn't enough shooting and spacing for the ball handler to be slowing down decision making like that.

@@jungroan , disagree. Knowing that traps are coming instantly gives you the foreknowledge/plan of what to do before it happens. You are prepared going into the situation. When you have 3 point shooters everywhere, when you know where they are rotating to, and you have fundamental skill, it makes it easy. Coming to a stop after drawing a double allows you to make a trapping defense pay over and over. If you don't come to a stop you better see something that tells you that your pass is a done deal. Also, there is plenty of shooting and volumes of spacing in today's game - way more than there used to be.

It's not uncommon for their newer players to sit multiple years before contributing. Something really interesting is that Carleton have always been able to turn "underwhelming" players into contributors by the end of their eligibility, which is a sign of both smart/willing to learn players as well as very strong coaching. It's between ridiculous and boring just how strong they are every year. In the end, many players actually go on to play for our national team or in Europe, they're just obviously not nearly as gifted athletically or they'd be attending an American college with NBA aspirations.