OFFHAND for 15% off your order seems like a decent deal to me, idk.... www.MagicCandleCompany.com This video is essentially Part 1 of finding tunnels and giant lizards at the Disney Parks. I guess Dinosaur would be a good place to start looking for Part 2.

The "bullet train" ride could be a relaxing, "scenic" ride during most of the year, and Godzilla would show up around Halloween time.

Offhand Disney makes my day a little brighter

WAIT. Thers are actually - get ready now - TWO tunnels in Tomorrowland. Where's the second one you may ask? Well it actually leads to the Tomorrowland Terrace Stage (in front of Galactic Grill). As you may know, that stage rises from the ground so all the characters and even sometimes equipment has to come from somewhere. Lo and nehold, they come from somewhere under Tomorrowland. I have no idea where the tunnel starts though. My guess it probably a door located in the Launch Bay building

I've been in that tunnel and it's... fine. I mean it's like yay industrial stuff. We got walked through it during orientation and then given the areas I worked I never went down there again.

There are two other underground tunnels in Disneyland - One leads to the rising Tomorrowland Terrace Stage - The other in in New Orleans Sqaure, Believe it or not the French Market bandstand originally also lifted from underground and there was another tunnel leading there. Watch the 1976 Christmas in Disneyland opening song segment for visual proof that the New Orleans Bandstand lifted at one time.

Disney things I forever wonder about: - Is the lady animatronic in the spacestation at the top of Spaceship Earth still there? Just sitting behind her window, now painted over black... It'd certainly be cheaper to just leave her there and paint the whole thing black - what's inside the MASSIVE building for the Japan pavilion's canceled show nowadays?! Merch storage? A mop and bucket?! Godzilla?!?!?

I remember fondly of being 8 or 9, going to “new Tomorrowland” and Rocket Rods was a blast. Maybe it’s rose colored nostalgia, sure, but it was so cool riding, and literally tearing up, that track. Before Offhand here absolutely kills me, lol, yes I understand how missed the PM is, I get it, it stinks that one cheap thrill ride tore away a legacy. Your frustration is heard. It sucks such an eyesore now looms above TL. But little kid me, being able to single ride line Rocket Rods, and once getting the front seat, ah…. I’ll never forget it.

Make more mystery solving videos!!!

For unsolved Disney mysteries, how about what happened to the Alien animatronic from Alien Encounter (and the rest of the props from that experience, for that matter)?

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound He pulls the spitting high tension wires down Helpless people on a subway train Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them He picks up a bus and he throws it back down As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town Oh no, they say, he's got to go Go go Godzilla!

The tunnel under Tomorrowland originally served as access to the Tomorrowland Terrace stock rooms, trash rooms, and as access to the Tomorrowland Terrace stage (that rises up for shows then sinks back down) . There were also dressing rooms for the bands that played on the stage. It started right behind and below CircleVision and continued past the stage to a point right behind/below the old Tomorrowland skyway station and the Mod Hatter. It was used constantly, was clean, and well-lit.

Correction, we are all time travelers traveling through time. We just can’t go backwards… probably.

As a huge Godzilla fan this was neat to learn about even if it might not have been real. I hope one day (likely universal) we see a Dedicated ride to the big G.

I started off just wanting to say Cole Younger was part of the Jesse James gang of outlaws so was most likely a seudonym but also that I fondly remember being on a fan sight known as Visions Fantastic. They had an admin who would go weekly to DL and post high quality pictures free to use so I never had anything other than Disneyland wallpapers on my pc. They also had a radio station that played park music, even spiels and stuff and I always wondered how they got their hands on this stuff. But then the photographer had a heart attack and couldn't continue and the site kinda fell apart from then on. The forums weren't as active and the only reason to stay was the radio station. Haven't been back in over a decade so I don't even know if it still exists but those were some fun times.

I have something, I think. Like thousands of other Florida high schoolers, I sang in Disney's Candlelight ceremonies during my high school years. My senior year, the production was at Epcot, but the previous three years were still done at the Magic Kingdom. As still happens at Disneyland, it was done on the backside of the Main Street train station. For the 1991 performance, I recall there being extra paperwork, including noting each student's height and hair color. This was supposed to be because the performance was to be recorded for a "Christmas in the Parks" video. We had assigned seats for the performance that year as well. None of that happened any of the other years I participated. However, I've never found any of that footage... or any footage of any of the Magic Kingdom Candlelight ceremonies, despite evenings spent in a KZfaq rabbit hole hoping for a converted home movie. Did the footage ever get used in a video? There seems to have been a Christmas celebration show on the Disney Channel in 1991, but did that air before the performance? What happened to that footage, and does any footage of a Magic Kingdom Candlelight exist? This is something you could investigate with @Disney Dan, if he's still interested in the histories of various park celebrations.

1:30 you just reminded me of how I used to order the DVD vacation guides every year so I got to see everything.

Recently I was thinking about the burning cabin on Tom Sawyer's Island - with that mannequin body laying in front. What was that about? Good wholesome family entertainment? What were they thinking? :D

The most (Ok, second most. RIP sweet PeopleMover, sweet animated tire ads, sweet Mary Blair tile mosaic) heartbreaking thing about the rocket rods was a sign showing them going from Los Angeles to Disneyland. I believed in that damn sign for years!

Dallin, your continued excitement in your videos is truly inspiring! I know no one is immune to the burnout bug, so I'm happy you're still here presenting videos like this to us while still taking breaks when you need to!

Ah yeah… early 90s MGM and EPCOT hit differently

The under ground access in Tomorrowland was used for the stage that popped up behind the people mover platform. I know, my band played on that stage facing Galactic Grill, but it wasn't the Galactic Grill then. It was called Tomorrowland Terrace. Those were the days. BTW, I rode the Peoplemover 100's of times in those days, it was great. Keep your hopes up, start a movement, gather a petition, if Disney can screw up the Peoplemover track with Rocket Rods, IT CAN BE FIXED ! (if they wanted to)

I’ve been inside that Japan show building and it is chock full of extra restroom fixtures, lamp posts, trash cans, doors, benches, plumbing supplies, electrical supplies, and much more. It’s basically just facilities storage but it’s the only place big enough to hold all of those items for the park.

My dad bought my siblings and I Disney shares in 1987. In the 90s, I remember being so excited to get this exclusive shareholder book where they shared upcoming rides, movies and plans. The one for Hercules was STUNNING and I vividly remember seeing the sketch work and artwork. These usually came in about a year before the trailers dropped. You might want to see if you can find them somewhere. They might have details on some of these rumored rides. I am almost positive I don't have any of these books anymore, but they might be a resource you want to find for the future. And in the event it was mentioned in one of those books, it might have been scrapped because the OLD Godzilla movies were allegory to the atomic bombs we dropped in WWII. So it probably got scrapped because it was a cultural sore point.

I've got a Disneyland Mystery for you Dallin: The Mystery of the Unbuilt Land of Oz. I believe I read about it in the unauthorized book "101 Things You Didn't Know About Disneyland" (the version I had had a yellow background with black silhouettes of different Disneyland rides on the cover, and since it was first published in 2005, I'm sure it's gotten reprints over the nearly 20 years of its existence), but the author claims that Fantasyland was originally going to be modeled after The Land of Oz with guests first entering the Munchkin Village, with Walt Disney himself really gunning for this to get built. Supposedly, according to the book, Walt Disney had even bought the rights to either the book series or the MGM movie itself, but lost the rights to build The Land of Oz because Disneyland was taking too long to build, and the rights he had bought passed the allotted time he could have them, and Walt ended up having to forfeit/sell back the rights.... This supposedly being the reason why Disney petitioned Congress to extended the time in which someone would own the copyright to a franchise, as well as why the Disney Company has been so obsessed with making their own Oz movies ("Return to Oz", "Oz The Great and Powerful", all of the Disney Villain origin stories that all follow the same premise of Wicked - both the book and the musical, where the known villain turns out to have not really been as evil as everyone thought), because they're still mad over the lost profits they could've made by owning the copyright to The Wizard of Oz. I don't know how true any of this stuff is... hence why I am submitting it for approval of The Midnight Society-- I mean, the "Offhand Society". Of all the Disney Park centered KZfaq channels I watch (you, Dan, Rob of Midway to Main Street, Kevin with Defunctland, TPM Vids, Expedition Theme Park, Jack from Park Ride History...etc) no one has ever mentioned this as being a part of Disney Park history, let alone a rumor. It kinda reminds me of the rumor I used to hear about the original Disneyland originally going to have a Lilliputian Land inspired by the Gulliver's Travels story before it was eventually scrapped too.

Here's a mystery for you: When I was a kid growing up in Orlando, I recall a local news story announcing a sort of boutique 5th gate adjacent to AK a la Seaworld & Discovery Cove that revolved around nocturnal animals. A nighttime safari was the main attraction that I remember, as well as the name "Night Kingdom." I can't find anything online about it now, especially because "Night Kingdom" has long since been tied to rumors of a villains park/land. Knowing WESH2 and their ilk, there is a frightening chance that they simply took a rumor and ran with it, but I'd at least like confirmation that I'm not crazy or imagining this.

i worked at disneyland this year, there IS a tunnel for cast members under tommorrowland. it goes from behind space mountain to pixie hollow

There is also a small tunnel under New Orlean’s Square. It is located sort of under the restrooms in the back left corner. It connects the kitchens. I was down there briefly around 30 years ago.

Speaking of abandoned Disney attractions and the Japan pavilion, the show building for Meet the World was built at the back of that Japan pavilion, but the attraction didn't fit so it was instead used at Tokyo Disneyland. The show building at Epcot just sits vacant, and is often mistaken for the "built" show building for the Rhine River Cruise that was never actually built 😀

Godzilla at a Disney Park sounds so surreal to me, but in this age of acquisitions and exchanging of IP, it could theoretically be possible (but maybe not at a Disney Park per se).

Oh I remember the tunnel for Rocket Rods. I still talk about it all the time and many friends don’t believe me. Heck, many don’t even remember there ever being a Rocket Rods ride.

I used to love going into that rocket rod tunnel. When i was working in stores, we could go in there to get a drink of water and i loved just enjoying the abandoned vibe in there!

I worked for Disney in the early 2010s, what a lot of people don’t know is that California Adventure, used to actually be the original parking lot for Disneyland. There was a rumor going around, that a child had gotten hit by a tram in the parking lot, back then. And so back when I was working at Disney, in California Adventure, the area that is now known as Buena Vista Street, all the shops would get random phone calls during closing. And it would just be static on the other end. We’d get knocks on stockroom doors but no one would be there. Merchandise would randomly fall off the shelves after we had just stocked the area. We also would hear random child laughter… it only ever happened during closing. And only if you were pretty much by yourself. It was so creepy there at night.

Always good stuff!🌟😊🙏

Dallin: YOU need to edit that Wiki article. That’s how that happens!

I'm about 98% sure I remember Jim Hill telling a story about a Godzilla ride on an old episode of the Disney Dish. I think it was part of a proposed Studio park for Tokyo Disneyland that didn't impress OLC.

This video was so much fun to watch. Well done!

I grew up in SoCal in the 80's and I totally know what you mean about the Disney lore lol! Before cell phones and internet word traveled via friends telling friends and CM's gossiping...we all know how the telephone game works right?? I date myself with that I guess. But I remember hearing that the People Mover had to be changed because kids were jumping out of the cars, running a muck and trying to jump from vehicle to vehicle and onto the emergency exit ramps! The idea for Rocket Rods was... to fix this problem they needed a roller coaster type ride to strap them in. And yes I remember it always breaking down and hearing guests complain. It was a good day at Disneyland when the Rockets Rods were working! It was actually a really cool ride when it worked. The feeling of the magnetically propelled ride was still new and exciting!! Thanks Dallin! I love these investigative videos and the old footage you add ❤

I'm not the biggest Godzilla fan, but from what I remember of Cold Crash Pictures' overview of the Showa-era Godzilla Criterion collection, the late 70s/early 80s were kind of a nadir of Godzilla content. The films' budgets and audiences had been shrinking for years, and it REALLY showed. While there were some creative efforts made, most of that creativity was in service of getting ANY kind of Godzilla movie out. And the few Godzilla movies that were making it to the English-language market were so badly dubbed and recut that they were mostly something to shake your head and laugh at. As shabby and disreputable as the Big G was when Epcot was being planned, it seems unlikely that he'd be considered for a shiny new attraction at a shiny new Disney park in the US. Especially not when Japan was economically on the rise and eager to show off its comparatively new prosperity.

I don't know why Wikipedia was citing Neverlands when Jim Hill was the one that started the Godzilla in Epcot rumor back in 2002.

I remember when I was a little kid, about 7-8 ish, just waiting for HOURS on the Rocket Rods and I'm pretty sure it broke down during the ride lol

Masterful as always.

Well here's a useless fact. Cole Younger is the name of one of the infamous Younger brothers who were part of the James-Younger gang. Cole was played in an episode of Tales of Wells Fargo by Royal Dano who would voice Lincoln in Great Moments with Mr. LIncoln. This is also a bit cosmically funny as Younger was a Confederate, being part of Quantrill's Raiders.

Love all your videos dude.

Fortunately, I got to ride the Rocket Rods not long after they opened and, yes, you did end up going through a tunnel and then up some stairs to the center of the load area. I wish I'd paid more attention (there was a lot of coolness, as well as oddness, to take in), but I remember going down through the tunnel and going... "Wait a minute, what are we doing down here?" The whole cue felt rather "Frankensteined" - as did that whole ride, actually. You could see, in concept, why they thought it would be cool, but it just wasn't built for that type of attraction. Thanks for the fun vid!

Definitely entertained by your shirt being part of the background lmao!

My favorite thing about the Disney parks is the music, I’d love for you to do a video on what songs changed and why Listen To The Land was the catchiest ear worm ever.

Godzilla is not just any old ICON, he’s a citizen. Yes you read that right, as of April 9th, 2015 Godzilla became an official Japanese citizen.

When your shirt has the chroma key color in it. Make a second layer of yourself and use a polygonal mask to key out everthing but your shirt.

We'll get a Godzilla ride someday in a scenario where Disney buys out Toho, which will never happen because Japan has a law preventing their companies being bought out by other foreign companies.

Does anyone else remember the fort on Tom Sawyer's island being open? That was cool and nobody seems to talk about it. Or maybe I was little and am misremembering.

Wow! You’re a fan of the Big G?! Mind BLOWN! I hope one day we can get a whole theme park dedicated to Godzilla and our favorite Kaiju; something owned and sponsored by Toho to ensure continuity’s sake.

Okay, maybe not a full-on mystery but I would love a definitive answer: There seem to be two schools of thought about the american flags that line main street and why they aren't vexillogically accurate. 1) They were all made wrong on purpose so they wouldn't have to be lit or taken down at night due to US flag laws. 2) They are wrong because they are historically accurate to the time period on Main Street USA. Both things can kind of be true, but which was the actual reason in their creation?

You are just simply, delightful.

I LOVED the PeopleMover. But CircleVision is my passion.

I thought it wasn’t a Godzilla ride pre say but just a cameo of him in background of Tokyo as kind of an icon of Japan.

During covid they let people take a tunnel into the haunted mansion to skip part of the line. It wasn’t anything very interesting because it was obviously built for employee access, but they made it as cute as they could by adding a few small props and picture frames.

Here's a challenge: Find out what happened to the original Hatbox Ghost. Rumor says he was placed under the Omni-mover track very near where he was originally installed for several years but may have eventually been dismantled for parts. I'm sure they thought they would eventually tackle his disappearing head illusion, but we all know that didn't happen in his original form.

One thing i feel like nobody ever mentions is the Unleash the Villians event at hollywood studios in 2013. The crowds were insane, and i was about 7 or 8 at the time and my family had to leave because it was so packed and a fight broke out near us lol. But for years i thought that i dreamt it because nobody ever talks about it. Kinda sad i never got to witness the show bc through research it looked amazing! For years i thought it didnt exist!

I can see why this barely has any information on it. I mean, Godzilla was and still is a character owned by Toho (who has a history of fiercely defending the copyrights of their creations), so it would've been pretty difficult for Disney to get Godzilla into their park without copyright troubles. What most likely happened was that the idea was formed somewhere in the process, but because of the legal troubles, the idea was abandoned before any sketches or plans could be made. Then, once the internet started to come around, small rumors of the idea began to spread online from either people who had originally heard or thought of the idea, or relatives/friends of those people. However, this is just my take on how I think it went.

Man, my hopes were raised so quickly and then dashed expertly! Godzilla and Disney are two of my biggest hyperfixations haha

OK I got a good one. What's the deal with the Podracers on the 1990-2000 Disney Parks map? I remember reading years ago I believe on Jim Hill's blog....that the Star Tours Adventures Continue re-theme (With the Podrace specifically) was completed in time for Phantom Menace's original release yet dropped at last second, then delayed for over ten years. If this is true then does that mean the 2011 ride was actually made in the 90's? Or is it just re-using an idea that was dropped long ago? Or did some Disney artist who drew the maps in the 90's just REALLY like the podrace scene and thought it would be fun to add that in??? (I mean who doesn't love podracing tbh.)

I’ve been to Disneyland circle theater. It was so cool to make a phone call from in there on the guest land lines.

Epcot has a Mitsubishi Zero!? Flying that wooden coffin would be one hell of an attraction!

This might not count as a mystery but it IS something I’m personally interested in and haven’t been able to find much info on: what was going ON with the design of the alien in Alien Encounter?? Obviously we’ve seen photos of the final animatronic, but in all the promotional material (commercials mainly) the alien looks COMPLETELY different from what we got. I’d be super curious to compare all the different iterations of the alien that are public knowledge (that prototype model from Tony Baxter’s collection, commercial alien, animatronic alien, etc) and kinda pick apart the progression that led to the final product. There’s even design inconsistencies between the final animatronic and the TOYS that were sold of the alien. Could be interesting!

It's possible the Godzilla ride was only suggested as an attraction for Tokyo Disney but never started development. There's a lot of information on the Internet that started out on Geocities. But those original sites are long gone and aren't even on the Internet Archive.

I been in that Tomorrowland tunnel. My family was brought there to review some electronics. There is also the way people can traverse to and from the Tomorrowland stage when it is in the down position.

Disneyland's Haunted Mansion has a tunnel also, entrance is on 1 side of the Railroad tracks and Show building is on the other side of the tracks, that is why Disneyland's stretching room the floor goes down while WDW's the ceiling goes up.

I rode rocket rods and the original people mover before it. I was in line over an hour doing that queue that started outside where Astroblasters is now and switched back thru the circle vision theater, then underground in the small tunnel and up to the boarding platform. The whole rocket rods experience was unthrilling and uninspired. There was hardly a show to go with it and I don’t even recall onboard sound. Just going fast and slowing down at every turn. A far cry from the people mover’s relaxing and enjoyable tour of Tomorrowland. Disney should invest in repairing the track and bringing a new version to the people mover as a basic ride for those who would enjoy sitting down and taking a relaxing spin around Tomorrowland. It will be popular. Just look at the line the people mover still has at the Magic Kingdom at WDW. As for the Godzilla ride for Japan… I was a cast member in the early 80s when EPCOT opened and I have never heard of this before. Besides, Disney would have to negotiate using Godzilla since that character belongs to Toho studios Japan. I don’t think Disney would have ever been interesting in acquiring a rival studio’s property back then before Eisner ever showed up to be Disney’s ceo. Disney Co was a very autonomous company and their characters would have been enough to keep the parks operating. Besides not even Mickey was allowed to set foot at EPCOT when the park opened. (Except for the grand opening ceremony as I remember since I was there.)

I think that you're doing an excellent job .

Good job buddy. Yet again you made an excellent video. I wonder where Yesterworld got his info from when he talked about this a few years ago in one of his videos. Finding out about this stuff is fascinating to me.

I'm dying for a backstory on who flew the fire-breathing flying dragon apparatus!! Will there ever be another flight! did that flop or was it dangerous!?

File under: "When Some Kid Thinks 2008 is Ancient History." Newsflash. The People Mover could be restored, but it's function would be pointless unless it went a bit faster. Those PowerWheels toddler cars go faster. It was novel in 1960. Not so much now.

The 9 year old me freakin loved the rocket rods...at least the 3 times i got to ride it because it was always closed for maintenance.

There's a cast member door at Space Mountain that leads Underground. Got dared to open cast member doors back in the day 😂

Not exactly a mystery, BUT would love an episode of OD on Nara Dreamland. Defunctland has a great one, and I’m fascinated by its history and unfortunate demise. Would love to hear your take on it!

There's the tunnel in the queue for Haunted Mansion in Disneyland. You walk under the train tracks to get into the show building.

6:40 the secret staircase is still there, unchanged.

I love how there's one section on your shirt where the green screen is triggering, making it look like you just have a hole in your chest lol

I'd heard the Godzilla ride idea somewhere myself at one point, it's a shame they never really planned for that.

i got to go through the secret door and peep the tunnel when i was a kid 🥰 talk about a magical moment!

As a matter of fact, Tomorrowland's Peoplemover at Disneyland Park was nothing more than freaking white elephant!

I remember reading this rumor on Jim Hill's site decades ago. So I blame him for starting it.

I remember starting a Disney channel back in 2015 when the new Cinderella film came out,

I'm here to point out the green screen hole that got punched through Dalli's shirt. Also great video

Please solve the mystery of the movie pavilion at Epcot! Was it only created as a coverup for Eisner’s inside scoop of Paramount? Or was it a genuinely thought out part of future world (despite lack of concept art for it). love your videos! thanks!

Justice for Disneyland’s people mover

Rocket Rods was awesome. When working

I just found a photo album of my dad’s from his trip to Epcot in 1982!!!!! Unfortunately, he only took pictures in World Showcase so everything looks the same 😂

9:47 BRUH HOW JUST HOW DO YOU HAVE THE 3D GLASSES!?!?!?!😵😵😵😵

To be fair The Godzilla ride would be bonkers if Disney accepted it but at the same time,the ride would not last long due to licensing reasons Toho always puts a pretty penny to the Godzilla and the other Toho Monsters license That's the reason why a scene with the Mothra egg teased in King of the Monsters credits was scrapped from Godzilla vs Kong

I was able to do rocket rods. 4 hr wait. In the summer without ac working. My nom threw up just before boarding, and they didn't let her get on.

There is another tunnel, to get to the lifting stage in Tomorrowland. Not used much anymore.

So... does the green screen show through the hawaiian shirt, or is it further proof that Offhand is a dimenionsal travelling 4-dimentional being of awesomness? We all know it's the second one. Also ta for covering this, read about it aaaages ago and just sort of filed it somewhere out of the way in me brain, nice to see it getting a bit of a feature.

Hey I’m finally a annual pass holder for the first time!! Going to EPCOT on Monday!!

I’m glad you didn’t turn this posting as a homage to the PeopleMover. I’m sure Mr. Iger is sick of hearing about the PeopleMover this, the PeopleMover that, what could have been if the PeopleMover was never cancelled, and any future reinstallation of the PeopleMover. So, enough said about the PeopleMover. So Mr. Iger, nothing more about the PeopleMover, now to be known as ‘The ride that must not be named’.

It would have been in direct competition with Universal’s Skull Island King Kong ride.

You’ve mentioned before that Rocket Rods made the track irreparable, but what is your source on that, and what exactly does that mean? It’s not that I doubt you, I’ve just never heard it elsewhere, and I’m curious about the extent of the damage. Are you just talking about the rails (which seem like they could be replaced to me), or do you mean to say that the concrete structure that’s still in Tomorrowland today is beyond repair?

when riding the people mover at Disneyland, when I was younger, I spotted what looked like a rocket in the Tomorrowland area and it had a similar appearance to the ones on the pizza planet trucks in the toy story movies. what I found interesting, there wasn't anything remotely toy story related in the area of the rocket, also it had the axiom logo from the wall-e movie on the side. there's nothing I found, on the Disney website about a wall-e or axiom related attraction in the park, so I'm curious about that.

Why was the Israel pavilion canceled at Epcot? I was there the year the park opened and I remember a coming soon sign and it was mentioned in the souvenir guidebook