Mom seemed nice but given her own observation of his mobid behavior... I go put some blame on the parent... He was still a child under there roof/care when he did this. Too bad she birthed him

@@nki5ikni5i45 he is 19

@@nki5ikni5i45Oh my god what the frick is wrong with you? Bad people aren't only borne of bad families

He’s a monster!

She knew some stuff about her son physically attacking and tormenting other students, obviously this death is not her fault, but she knew that her son was possibly psychotic, even tried to find referrals, but i suppose he acted “normal” enough to dispel the worry.

I watched it on EWU, not TT.

@@missywink1504 Me too

I made sure to comment the same thing.

This. I'm surprised she didn't realize that some asshole on TikTok took their hard work like that.

I watched it the other day and that's now I found out about this case

They’re already on their way the second the call comes through dude. They need the information to know what they’re walking into but i promise you the seconds they get that call, cops are already dispatched.

​@@xMaddieMuffinyep, thank you. I'd also heard they're supposed to keep callers talking no matter what, so they know they're safe and so they stay on the line until cops arrive on scene. People are getting way bent over things they don't fully understand. Easy to blame and point fingers behind a screen after the fact.

@@xMaddieMuffinThen they should just say that right away. I’ve heard so many 911 calls where the dispatcher doesn’t just say that first to reassure the panicked person on the other end of the line and it makes it so much worse. The first thing out of their mouths could easily be “authorities are being dispatched immediately, so please stay with me and try to explain what’s going on”

@@MK-Hogan why should they waste time saying what is common sense to most people that have more than 2 brain cells to rub together?

@@xMaddieMuffin 🙄 Because they have an extremely panicked person on the other end who’s probably having the worst day of their life, and is only focused on getting help on site as fast as possible. Why wouldn’t they lead with that? Not everyone knows that 911 automatically sends help.

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Most of the population doesn’t know how society functions, it’s best just to roll your eyes and move on.

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Yes, but the way he gathered that information could’ve been much better. Training problem!

And like he needs a discription of the situation because people call for the absolute dumbest reasons and he doesn't want to send a swat team to the house if the lady just found some old halloween decorations or something.

Thank you

It's so smug. Like he's so proud of himself for what he did 🤮

Sent chills down my spine fr!

I definitely got chills. This is horrifying.

Yes, and it's an amazing channel if you're interest in Criminology.

I was going to say, I just watched EuW do an entire video on this case

Explore w Us is my saving grace ever since we lost JCS

Literally gave me chills all over when he said it so calmly..he is a truly sick person

Classic psychopat. Was definetly a really shitty psychologist who diagnosed him as ADHD/ASD, like wtf?

I think they really wanted to do the buddy buddy thing.

It was cut from this video but i think they said it was to keep building rapport and keep him comfortable so he would open up

I'm almost always 50/50 on that. Some parents choose not to see the warning signs, some do everything they can.

@@laurazepam8382 We have extremely limited information to go on here, but from what little we've got I did get the impression that at least this mother wasn't ignoring warning signs. She seemed to be aware that there were issues (even if it's hard to really grasp how extreme something can be) and she mentioned that she would push back on his messed up jokes

@@laurazepam8382yeah I had the same thoughts. She could be an enabler who excused any weird behavior as a boy just being a boy 🤡 but that call she made was so genuinely heartbreaking, I can’t help but feel a lot of sympathy.

They said he was on the autism spectrum. He's autistic and people with autism don't process things the same as everyone else. It's a reach to automatically assume he feels a certain way with no evidence. It's a reach. He lumped himself together with criminals, that doesn't sound like he's sees himself as "privileged". He was cooperative, special needs and non resisting in any way so they didn't handcuff him. They probably didn't want to be accused of being aggressive towards someone with special needs. In today's society with people like YOU jumping to conclusions with no evidence just to have a "gotchya" moment. This pos is disgusting and will be in jail where he belongs and I think you and people like you need to be more self aware and stop focusing on the wrong things.

I completely agree with you. My heart does break for his mother.

The way he told the officer “you can put cuffs on me” and his tone when he first told officers he had a human head and hands in his bedroom, I think he was *wanting* criminal treatment. I don’t think him saying about “people like him” was because of privilege, I think he wants to see himself as a dangerous murderer. If that idea is true, they would have kept him out of cuffs to not empower him.

This guy was going to kill somebody eventually. Didn’t matter that he was homeless. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time

That makes me so angry…

This really triggered you. Hopefully, you can get your medications adjusted.

@jackchop1576 you learnt a new word I see? Good boy!

​@@jackchop1576 They deserve the credit for their content

@@jackchop1576stolen content doesn’t “trigger” you? EWU-Explore With Us put a lot of dedication into their full analysis & narration of public-sourced bodycam footage. To steal EWU’s commentary without credit/permission, rather than use the open-source raw footage, is blatant theft of content and revenue.

@@jackchop1576silly jack

I read his deleted posts on reddit, he talks about his mom calling her a bitch saying how he'd destroy her while she begged him to stop "because I can" this is in 2019 when he was still in high school

@southerncreationskitchen3392 I tried googling and now have major regrets and I didn't even find what you were talking about. It makes you wonder how he really was around his parents vs peers vs online though.

@@frenchtoastflip yeah Brian wasn't his first kill

@southerncreationskitchen3392 horrible to think, I hope you are wrong but don't doubt you are right either.

@frenchtoastflip I know of at least a poor cat he disconnected the neck to stop it from clawing him and all it could do was hiss when he smacked it on the ground.

My best guess is they want to keep him calm and "friendly" to be able to get as much information out of him as possible. With a DUI you know exactly what you've got, you do an easy test and that's case closed right away, but with something like this you need cooperation. The voiceover mentions several times that the officers are trying to build rapport and get him to talk, that one officer even pretended to be interested in and impressed by his knowledge of body decomposition to get info out of him. That all being said, they should most definitely have handcuffed him

I agree with you and I think the killers should always go unnamed because they are often motivated by notoriety and a desire to "break a record". In reality, people watch the video because they are fascinated by the killer and fascinated by what kind of mind he/she has and how anybody could do what he/she did. Also, we like to feel good about ourselves morally and one way to do that is to compare ourselves with the worst of the worst.

I mean there wouldn't be thousands of people feeling sad for Warren and having increased empathy and understanding for homeless people if Brian hadn't done what he did. Nobody would ever know who he was. I'm obviously not condoning what he did, just pointing this out.

They could say that though. Its a lot easier to give additional information when you have assurance that help is coming. When they dont tell you someone is coming and just keep asking details it can feel like theyre making you “prove” that help is needed and that causes additional distress.

Yeah and a large part of the questioning isn't to actually get all the little details, it's to get the caller to focus on a task so they dont lose their absolute shit at such a horrifying scenario

Ikr? Aren't all killers the nicest next door neighbors ever? So no one suspects what they're really up to. Those quiet ones you gotta watch out for as mom always said. Horrible and tragic, senseless.

Can't help but think they stressed how good and reliable of a person he is so that the police don't just half-ass the investigation or even not do anything to begin with- the homeless get so little justice it's so disheartening

That’s actually insane, I can’t imagine how surreal it is to see this as someone who went to school with this guy. I heard a lot of people who knew him weren’t surprised by his actions

Crazy that so many people describe him as such and are not surprised but no one stepped up and was like "Uhm, maybe the guy should go and get some better care".

Do you have any idea what the mental healthcare system is like in the US? The price of care alone is astronomical. They probably did step up and tell people that he seriously needed help. They probably lived in fear that he would shoot up the school. Literally everyone could have stepped up and tried to get him help, and it most likely still would have failed.

My mother worked as a teacher for kids aged 13-15 for well over a decade, and she has said that you can see how some people will commit horrible crimes and it's just a matter of time. And there is not much anyone can do, because you can't force an innocent person to get psychiatric help or whatever just because you think they seem like they might become a r*pist or m*rderer at some point in the future.

Me too

Valid.

Probably because having stems on you in direct evidence and in this situation he (at the time) was still “innocent” and they need to tie him to the crime first. You can’t handcuff off hearsay and assuming.

@@liz3169 A bag of body parts isn't "hearsay". The police could easily justify cuffing him out of fear for their own safety, and that would be an entirely reasonable fear in this case.

Serial killers were famous in the 70s and 80s as well. I don’t think giving them catchy nicknames like zodiac killer and night stalker is much better. True crime includes books and any journalism about the crime. Some people cross the line of making it into entertainment but informative true crime content is not bad in itself

Narcissism

​@dotcom3015 you're right. Online just makes it more accessible than before. I worked in a bookstore. Our biggest sellers were romance, sci-fi and true crime. They'd buy in the dozens at a time. Now it's TikTok and KZfaq.

Thank you for all your hard work as a dispatcher

@@MonolithicCyanTsunami you’re welcome 🥹

Same, it's not a good look for those of us on the spectrum

One of the FEW. people creating content on here that shows a basic level of respect like this

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That part was heart wrenching

Genuine question: What exactly IS someone supposed to do when they see warning signs? Like, concretely, what can you do?

​@KreeZafi get him therapy, talk to them, maybe??

It's alot that you can do but resorting to nature is the worst

@@hijudey Can someone be forced to go to therapy?

I’m so sorry. That’s vile

And then the murder was extremely brutal too. If it were up to me, Brian would have received the death penalty.

bad luck brian still exists

My dad’s name is Brian and he’s a pretty good person.

You are right, and it does contribute to the stigmatization to those with autism and ADHD. It does matter to this case however. Many school shooters were autistic (Elliot Rodgers, Nicolas Cruz, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, probably more) and they did what they did because of total social or romantic rejection, obsessions with murder, and lack of theory of mind. It matters to Brian's case because the autism here clearly contributed to the fascination and obsession with forensics, anatomy and murder as well as the lack of empathy (which might just be alexithymia paired with a lack of theory of mind). I mean I also have ASD (and maybe ADHD) and I have had people jokingly call me a school shooter or not so jokingly (even though I would never ever do anything even comparable and don't even like to kill mosquitos) and I don't appreciate it so I get the stigma. In general, society does not understand any mental disorders and usually has a stereotypical idea of what autism or ADHD means. I'm better off not saying anything God forbid they start talking to me like I am 5 and being blatantly disrespectful like I am stupid. Best thing you can do is show people you have prosocial intentions and have an air of confidence. Idk though, some people will always remain ignorant.

@@plotofland2928 that is a fair point. I’ve also had people in my life joke that I would be a criminal too now that I think about it lol. Also I totally understand the annoyance of being talked down to. Half the time I get that reaction and the other half it’s just disbelief. I get the added bonus though that people often mistake me for a teenager so right off the bat I’m not taken seriously lmao

But is it like bloody or something?

@@14vatochongo i knowwwww. What dumb questions. Like bruhhhh, it's a damn head.

But that is because you don't actually know how 911 works. They are asking questions and THEY have sent for the response. They have to get as much info on potential dangers as fast as possible. They may not have the time to calm the mother's nerves, because informing the officers of potential dangers is more important. They don't know how close the closest responding officer is. See they sit in front of a computer and on that computer they are also relaying information to dispatch. That is why in like 98% of all 911 calls the Operator keeps talking trying to find out about the situation and the person says "just please send someone" and they almost always respond "they are already on the way" But you need to answer my questions. You think it's being dumb, but they are doing their job. Also, in most areas the protocol is to send a unit even if it's a miss call to 911. They send people to check because, you never know if someone has grabbed the phone and hung up on the person or IF someone has entered into the room with a gun trying to control the conversation. That is why the 911 operator is trying to obtain WHERE THE SON IS. It is to increase the situational awareness for the officers who are about to come in contact WITH A KILLER. Also, they do have to try to figure out if it is a prank or true. Regardless, the entire time they are asking questions they are communicating with dispatch through the computer.

He dispatched while talking to her not after

I mean I’m sure there was some shock

On EWU"s channel?

@@mytruecrimelibraryyes!

@@mytruecrimelibrary yep

That alone told me he romanticized his own crime. It felt like he was, idk, living out some cringey fanfiction type shit. The way he described himself growling added to that a lot.

I’m also autistic and have ADHD and I had similar thoughts. You’re way better at putting it to words than I am though lol

To an extent yes. But they ignored everyone when told their son was fucked up. And I get it no one wants to think their child is capable of something like this but idk.

@@14vatochongo how does one turn out like this with parents that seem so normal and nice. like what happened?!

That is so easy to say knowing what we know…

It was not his race. He was acting oddly un-confrontational and gave himself up immediately. Had he ran, or tried to fight, he would not have been treated the same way.

100% she did!!!! In the EWU video the timestamp is around 37:30 they talk about it 😨

Demonic.

In my opinion, he was not a true psychopath. From what I understand, psychopaths are manipulative, deceitful, charming, prone to rage, opportunistic, lack empathy, remorse, guilt, and sometimes shame. Brian had a combination of mental disorders including ADHD, autism, and depression that caused him to fixate on anatomy, forensics, and murder. The ADHD is involved in his lack of ability to care about future consequences and his desire for a thrill, the autism is involved in his obsession for anatomy and forensics and murder, and the depression maybe contributed to a blunting of his emotions overall. None of these ingredients are deadly on their own but a fatal cocktail is what they make when combined. He doesn't imagine people as people, he describes what he did the way that someone would describe engaging in a hobby or something. This is just my opinion and the analysis may be incomplete or wrong. Most people have a very surface level understanding of psychology which is why this looks like psychopathy or ASPD (anti social personality disorder) to them. If you want to see someone with psychopathy, look at Paul Bernardo or Henry Steiger.

@@plotofland2928 I looked up the diagnostic criteria for ASPD out of curiosity and this is what I found: "The main text of fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) defines antisocial personality disorder as being characterized by at least three of the following traits: - Failure to conform to social norms and laws, indicated by repeatedly engaging in illegal activities. - Deceitfulness, indicated by continuously lying, using aliases, or conning others for personal gain and pleasure. - Exhibiting impulsivity or failing to plan ahead. - Irritability and aggressiveness, indicated by repeatedly getting into fights or physically assaulting others. - Reckless behaviors that disregard the safety of others. - Irresponsibility, indicated by repeatedly failing to consistently work or honor financial obligations. - Lack of remorse after hurting or mistreating another person. In order to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder under the DSM-5, one must be at least 18 years old, show evidence of onset of conduct disorder before age 15, and antisocial behavior cannot be explained by schizophrenia or bipolar disorder." Of course I want to reiterate that I'm no professional and cannot as a layperson diagnose anyone based on a list of criteria and a few minutes of footage, but I do think he seems to hit several of those points. While depression can indeed dampen emotions, I doubt that alone could explain the complete lack of remorse he clearly feels about committing a horrific crime. Not only does he not appear to feel remorse, he appears to be excited and proud of it!