yeah the key to being a pick me is male centering. seems like most dont get that and its just any girl who vocalizes that they dont like traditionally feminine clothes and hobbies is automatically a pick me. seems pretty backwards

Its a pick me trait, you're seperating yourself from the majority to try and seem different and "better". No one gives a shit that these women/girls look and act different, its not special

This. People also don’t realise a lot the society context when talking about some artists who rejected such aesthetic and behaviour during certain eras. I mean…just look at Paris Hilton, an incredible smart person, she pretended to be less intelligent than she was and even changed her voice to appeal more to society. During that time women and especially girls felt pressure to be and act like her because she not only looked, she also acted how society saw as the goal and beauty standards. Many people rejecting such and, unfortunately, running their mouth about her was more to do with hating those standard than her; they just didn’t express what they were feeling as careful as we do nowadays because we’re more worried about being misunderstood, or they didn’t know how to express themselves clearly, or/and of course they felt resented about others who fit such norms and unfairly took it on them instead of looking at the real issue. Also, let’s not forget than many who actually followed such standards were only doing it for the male attention and got called out by people that the creator of this videos sees as picks me, which is ignorant. What was talked in the video is much more complex than what people like to make others believe. A pick me doesn’t have a specific style, look or attitude; they simply present themselves for male attention while putting other women down.

100%

But then she changed her look to look like all the people she made fun of.

​@@Violet-du9bkThat part. It's just the hypocrisy that I have a problem with bc she never acknowledge that part as far as I know

She was an angsty teenager who was playing into her public persona. People grow up and change their minds

​@@osenifabua1912 not to mention she just left high school when she became famous

​​​@@osenifabua1912 yeah, and besides her and Britney are okay now. Brit even invite her in her show in Vegas and she even promote her songs in tw. It's just like Paris Hilton playing her public persona "Pretty dumb blonde" and Avril was a "Emo girl" and "tomboy". She grew up and become more mature to understand that there's nothing wrong being so feminine and she herself decide to change her hair, style, and fashion.

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Haha funny ❤

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Right! 🤣

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I wrote a cheesy song about it: Thinking about you And the moments that we shared I want you to date me But I know I can’t compare My heart is twisted in a knot The question of to be or not My mind is darting constantly I’m trying to be kind but I can’t stop to think about Baby we got unfinished business Oh yeah we got unfinished plans And I know I can’t compare to her But I think you should know That deep down I still want you And even though I know That life isn’t like the movies Where the edgy weird girl Ends up with the cute popular guy And the popular girl is left in the dust Because in real life Most likely that guy Picks the popular girl instead But once I want to dream that Life is like the movies, oh instead

You’re supposed to go throw a phase like that, when you’re young. Then, learn how stupid it is and move on. Adults doing this is wild, to me.

Yes! For me the pick-me phase shouldn't be so much laughed at, as much as understood as a sign of something lacking. Self-esteem, confidence, empathy for others, etc.. People grow out of it and learn.

Exactly

It's Jealousy that's it

This was the most relatable song I heard when I was younger. Ppl just didn’t understand introverts lol

facts bro. i’m a dude and i bump that shit 😂 i never once got pick me vibes from it. the song is deadass relatable too.

it totally makes sense

YES LIKE not being a “cool kid” but then u realize it’s more😭

wasn't Paris Hilton an inspiration for the song and video ?

We love her for growing out of her pick me phase abpnd acknowledging it!

damn, never thought about that. TFJ remains one of my favorite albums of all time, track-for-track, but she definitely had a bit of a "not like other girls" tinge to her back then (girls being the most obvious example, there are only teeny hints of it in other tracks [hollywood/oh no])-glad she's acknowledged it and moved on

I kinda like the song since I interpret it differently, I relate to the “I don’t understand them even though I’m supposed to” feeling I get from it. I’m diagnosed with autism and growing up I felt like that pretty often lol especially since I was undiagnosed then. But that’s my interpretation :D I see it as more of being frustrated that you can’t connect with others, even though you want to

Initially I saw the song as a cringey attack on women, too but it was more of a request for women to see how people are capitalising on the insecurities of women. Like journalists who publish articles on cellulites and what not. And even now kids are using retinol and what not. The desire to not look a day past 30 is still there. So technically, she's not wrong. It was just worded like a smartass, which is why it sounds bad.

Nah…that one quote doesn’t fully explain away ALL her behavior and music over the years.

I think a lot of people missed the point of "stupid girl" Jessica Simpson responded to it saying something like - "you know I'm only pretending to be dumb" and p!nk was like yeah, I know... That's the point. These women (Paris, Jessica Simpson, Nicole Ricci, ect) were capitalising off of pretending to be stupid, behaving and dressing a certain way, maybe for the benefit of men and the greater whole as to what was an acceptable way to be a women at the time. I think it's more of an anthem for people who saw straight though that and said I'm not going to be like that. Pretend or otherwise, I'm not dumbing myself down and buying into all of the sexist and capitalist ideals that rule over us to appeal to men or anyone else. I'm just going to be me, smart, healthy eating, successful as me. I reject that way.

A lot of people get mislabeled as "pick me, not like the other girls" if they are just different sometimes. Internalized misogyny is bad and we need to talk about it, but people like you and I who are just different for many reasons shouldn't be attacked.

Thank you for sharing. That's a critical perspective to hear!

I dealt with this a lot too as a child! The girls were always the nastiest, they would invite me over to the lunch table as a “friendly” gesture, then they’re egging me on to do something embarrassing for their entertainment, etc. I eventually grew to stay away from most women growing up, since I felt I was seen as an easy target to them, I’m trying to get out of that mindset as an adult but its hard when it seems like most adults dont mentally age past HS…

Real, same , partially relate to those struggles strongly

Girls with disabilities just have it way different and you expressed that really well. Not autistic but my early behavioral issues mirrored autism so even if I had a couple friends here and there they’d eventually leave I was mostly isolated. College really is changing me and my internalized beliefs and habits for the better tho.

because back then, her aesthetic was judged??? so obviously she made songs to empower young girls like her? i don't see the problem with that.

@@rileysjonger4192 it was still a relatively big group though.. punk/alt/emo/goth etc were big way before her lol

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​@@sommerblume9671I wouldn't say emo was big before her. She was the first mainstream success from the emo/pop punk era. Avril predates MCR and FOB....not their mainstream breakthrough...she predates both of them releasing their first album. There's a big difference between the numbers era of pop punk and the guy liner era and Avril falls in the middle. With Avril is was like "what if we made pop punk...that wasn't singing from the nose and wasn't happy all the time".

It's okay to both enjoy her music while recognizing it did have some problematic elements.

Love that song 😭❤ Its criticising the music and showbiz industry "la la land" being another word for LA, that was really rigid at the time and to an extent still is.

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It's litterally the excat same thing with Avril Lavigne's Girlfriend... Except Avril managed to make the worst one because in the music video nerdy Avril is painted as the villain. At least Hayley and Taylor depicted the protagonist as the underdog.

I didn't even know that the mean girl was Taylor until this video 💀 I just haven't watched the music video in years lmaooo

It was so obvious but it took me a good decade 💀

She took inspired from Avril's Girlfriend mv

@@Chelaxim Nerdy Avril is obviously a victim but since the pov is from the Rebellious/Punk Avril, she’s potraying the situation as “I’m rescuing this guy from a bad relationship” instead of “I’m actively pursuing someone who’s taken, cheating with them, harassing their girlfriend, and is trying to convince him into breaking up with her.” She’s the hero of her own story hence why Nerdy Avril was portrayed as the antagonist.

Actually being friends with boys is like one of these things every pretty and popular girl does lol so idk how it is related to 'not like other girls' who are more awkward

@mmgs1148 sure Jan. "Girls are too much drama", "I share more interests with boys" ect. This is literally what I have seen and heard. A lot of these "INLOG" aren't actually awkward, and that's pretty much their personality of "look how much of an individual I am and how quirky I am because there's no way anyone else likes all the same stuff I do". Fun little tid bit for you. Back when I was a young warthog the popular girlies in my high school weren't the typical pretty girls you saw in them cliche films. It was the "INLOG".

Going through a horror, murder mystery, true crime phase is basically a part of girlhood now, it’s funny when ppl act like its unique

@@no.reply_ Very that!

100% All the girlies can exist in harmony

this is true, i remember she even said something in miss americana that she has to recondition her entire mindset that was previously poisoned by the norms when she was in her teens to her early 20's, like that there is no such thing as a "bitch" or a "slut"

Girls on TikTok are all pick me

the 2010s as well with the tumblr culture

Better than revenge was released in 2010 and written when Taylor was like 19 😭 shes changed since then

@@PotatoWaffle-sl4xf Yeah!

right? like how how many women have they "beefed" with throughout their career 😂

@@zk6019 woman can have fights with each other without being sexist.

She is different. Pink was never the girl who liked dresses, pink and other things that are stereotyped as being feminine. There are women who don't like these things. However, there can be various types of feminity without tearing the other down. This is who she is. She never does these things to appeal to men. This is her being her

We all are different.I can dress like a princess and still act boisterous.She isn't a pick-me, she's honest to say that we all have differences.Her songs are empowering

@@AmberPatocI agree I actually love stupid girls (minus the making fun of ED’s or insinuating that dumb girls have them) that was messed up. But other than that, She is just saying as women, we have so much potential and so much to give to the world that we shouldn’t dumb ourselves down or rely solely on our bodies for success. If we put our minds to it and educate ourselves, we can be whatever we want to be, teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, therapists, hair stylists. Whatever, so long as it’s meaningful. She even complimented Britney when she said she was tired of being compared to her, it wasn’t because of anything bad, it was just because Britney was “prettier” in her own words and she wants to highlight that we as women are not a Monolith, we come in all shapes and sizes. If done in a subtler way that didn’t demonize girls with ED, this is a great message imo. Also it’s important to note that in an interview about the song, Pink said she didn’t believe the girls she depicts in the music video are actually stupid, just that they dumb themselves down to please men and they shouldn’t have to resort to that. If anything, it points out misogyny

@@Lutoria99 My favorite song from her is "F***in' Perfect" me and my friend feel the song about what we're going through in school 'til now

@@gladyskihara4736and she went out of her way to trash other women which is why she's a pick me.

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Same like even if some women genuinely don't find the concept of femininity suitable for themselves, they gotta know that other women who genuinely like it for themselves instead of for society approval, they're no better (or worse) than them, just as equal. A woman isn't better than another woman wether she's more or less feminine.

Baby who’s we 😭 How many people are behind this account?? 💀

I share your sentiment. Instead of just outright vilinizing the NLOG phenomenom, why don't we dive into why so often girls feel this way and if it comes from a genuine place? Because you're right, often girl bullying involves social exclusion and "othering" the victims of bullying. Sometimes it seems like terms like NLOG or "pick me" have evolved past their original meanings into another form of telling girls/women they can't feel or think a certain way, or express their individual self a certain way, and to stfu.

Yes. I was one of those girls and depression, autism and not being very feminine caused other people/girls to avoid me. Then my sexual orientation happened on top of that. Apparently talking about my experience would be seen as insulting because all girls must be the same. Are girls not individuals? I doubt men sharing a similar experience would be labelled 'pick me' or blamed for feelings of not belonging. Thankfully, the concept of 'pick me' doesn't even exist in my culture atm. I'm sure it will soon but it's funny how Anglo culture is all about hyper individualism and then constantly coming up with ways to bash and punish people for their identities/feelings.

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@@sommerblume9671 it’s funny bc I don’t use the term female in my regular life to describe women I just love how the term female artist sound 🤣

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The songs are rarely even written by women. 🌚

Only a few.

im 52, female, and i live in the usa (sorry)

You would say that

@kevonwill5783 if you're implying that i'm a pick me, just telling you that I'm not 😐

no fr

Glad he acknowledged how much of a mental gymnastics is trying to prove its about self love lol

That wasn't the point of Stupid Girls. She was calling Paris and all these other women out for sexualizing and dumbing themselves down for the sake of the audience when, in reality, the women in question were very smart and self-sufficient As for Don't Let Me Get Me, this is her referring to the image that they tried to force onto her at the beginning of her career

Attack where?

Except pink didn't hate them. She was calling them out on dumbing themselves down when they were actually smart women

While mocking woman with eating disorders? Ya right ​@Crawlingdreams418

​@@Crawlingdreams418 People still do not understand in what context Pink did what she did. I'm not saying she did it perfectly, she's a human being and made a lot of mistakes, but at the time she was trying to paint girls as smart, strong, bad ass, lovable, etc. It was a time where most of the media, including pop music, wanted submission, sexiness, skinny, etc. artists and was trying to de-humanize and diminish women to sexy icons only. That wasn't a positive thing at all as it is today, it was degrading because it was the pure de-humanization and destruction of womanhood detached from the strength and personhood. It doesn't happen nowadays because our women sexy icons are seen as whole human beings and much more than just "dumb sexy icons" appealing to the male gaze such as it was back in the day. Pink was trying to make an antithesis of that. What people do not understand is that she was trying to humanize other women artists and women in general. She did trespass some thresholds jumping into straight attacking and denigrating other women directly because of her angst against what they meant. At the time, she was the "other one", the "ostracized" woman artist because she portrayed women as whole human beings. That angst came out in the context of how those women and images were punching back against the fight for women to be seen as whole human beings.

Clearly you don't

I can't hear the new version. It don't hit the same

It's 100% misogynistic but idk if I would classify as a pick me song

@@justjoannak. More like a slut-shamer song

Peer pressure exists.

@@FellDownTheCornHole noo??

Yeah, Here is a I'm a special snowflake song

I thought that song was about smoking weed oml

​@@AngeBiampandou what

And also love when Pink is given a spotlight. I genuinely believe that she was trying to highlight an issue in Stupid Girls with them dumbing themselves down to be liked (Paris admitted this to her). That's not pick me, but saying, we need to expect more from women. You need to read the song lyrics in their entirety to get the full meaning. She definitely came after other girls in other ways, but she was young and also growing. It's ok not to be perfect and learn from mistakes. Some bad behaviour doesn't make a bad person and it's ok to call it out without fully cancelling someone.

She’d probably say that what she did was terrible?

What is nlog?

@@karinarj5154 not like the other girls

@@parkerisles7256 ohh thankx

The "nice guys" often have the pick me attitude.

@@lordfreerealestate8302 yeah. I don’t think pick me can be positive. the most authentically different people love basic people, because they accept themselves first so they accept others and don’t putting themselves in competition with them.

Pick me ideology based on the male gender does not and cannot exist because we live in a patriarchal society.

every guy who has ever picked up a guitar thinks he's not like most boys.

@@perfectallycromulent So people like Shawn Mendes or Ed Sheeran ? Would u consider their songs to be "pick me" songs ?

no one in the kpop community likes blackpink, it's not just armys. it's hypocritical that they have videos telling people to care about global warming when they spend 99% of their time modelling and flying to different events. blackpink were 4 spoiled rich girls who didn't even get past middle school though, anyone with a brain doesn't believe they care about the planet. yg put 0 effort into making their image coherent

@@haliee lmao, no one overthink that much specially if they’re not fans, most kpop Stans dislike blackpink or ignore them just bc they don’t do typical idol stuff and bc they’re globally successful and well known by the general public, most kpop stans beg for their favs to be ambasssadors of well known brands so kpop fandom is not the best example of caring about social issues☠️☠️ looks like you’re projecting too much and they just have used shared private jets, they’re always spotted at the airports using commercial flies ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

Tbh typa girl is kinda pick me but overall I feel like the song claim being better than everyone rather than just being better than girls, and bp never claimed to be feminist so it’s funny how kpop Stans expect them to be saviors of the conservative culture Korea has

yes. I do not know why people act offended, because they are not a good influence on someone. Just deal with it. It's not misogyny. It's called modesty. I do not think Britney was faking anything. She was just polite and nice. She never dragged someone in public unlike many stars.

I agree with the later half of what you said but I think Pink is the worst possible example of this lol. At best she was name dropping people for controversy/attention. Imo she was just a pick me. There are ways to get your point across that doesn't involve putting down other women. Especially, considering how much she did it. Like.... A blow up doll?! That's just unhinged 😅 I actually had no clue about Everybody's fool tho. I know the song I guess I never paid attention to the lyrics. And wasn't a kid when the song came out.

It's not better than Complicated

Her best song is damn cold night.

She wanted to. Her bullied her into going by calling her antisocial. Happens to me all the time.

Her album bionic was my most streamed album last year. I was very surprised

@@shyb7847 another great album!

stripped is my favorite album of all time

stripped was so ahead of its time smh. i love back to basics tho, the shift from being a raunchy assertive girl to being a 50s diva was 🤌🏾

Fighter, Can’t Hold Us Down, Beautiful. Xtina was genuinely ahead of her time and has always been the best kinda feminist.

it was satire

I disagree. You can make youself noticeable without bring down anyone

I don’t see how anyone can feel good about bringing down someone to get picked that couldn’t be me

Nope, more like Pink. Pink literally drags every female for being feminine.

eh not really, misogyny exists because of men hating women. That doesn't mean ONLY men partake in misogyny, but that is still why it exists

shes exaggerating just like how everyone exaggerates everything about her like how shes "punk" or an anti britney. Girl knows what shes doing

Yes to George Michael ❤

@@Bexinnamon IKR (I Know Right) I feel the same way ! 💚😁