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These two are doing more damage to the LDS church than the John Dehlins of the world. It is literally painful to watch. If I were investigating the LDS Church and saw this, I would run away.

In my opinion, "too sacred to share" or "too sacred to discuss" really just means they won't "submit for peer review".

Kwaku et Al make my blood boil. If they just presented the argument in a less emotionally aggravating way I might actually respect them for trying. I love your videos because you don't compromise your arguments by using appeals to emotion, but present in a calm and analytical manner. The contrast between the two is crazy. Keep up the good work 😂

Did I misunderstand the apologists? It sounded like they admit the very thing they started to refute and then argue it doesn't matter?

I forgot just how terrible these clips are. Thank you for not letting these jerks shy away from the filth that they made. Looking forward to Thursday!

Dude I am so glad I found your channel. When I saw these videos I was just pissed off the entire time watching them but when I was looking for solace in the existing religion-related channels I follow, no one was talking about them in nearly enough detail. You are doing a great and necessary work!

Wow, I didn't realize Fair has made these awful videos private. Thank you for keeping them from throwing these down the memory hole.

SO HAPPY that you kept the videos!! Now we can always remember the idiocy of these two.

It’s shocking how bad the arguments are from Kwaku and Brad. It’s embarrassing really. If anyone actually researches the subject, it’s unlikely they will come to the FairMormon conclusion. More realistically, they will conclude that the church has been deeply dishonest.

So my question to the Mormon Church is this: if there is no connection between the Mason Ceremony and the Mormon Church Ceremony why didn’t Joseph Smith Jr. create the endowment ceremony before he became a Free Mason? And it must just be a coincidence that the Mormon Ceremony appeared a week after Joseph Smith became a Free Mason?

I wonder if these two will look back on these videos in the future with a deep regret and embarrassment. I have definitely held some tenuous positions in my youth that I have come to regret as an adult but never did so so publicly. As annoying as they are, I do hope that they can find the truth someday.

Wow, the contrast of what the church allowed members to know in the 80’s, when I was Kwaku’s age, and now, is truly astonishing. But then, back in the day, there was no YT to take viral, the work of Christians like Jerald and Sandra Tanner who were pioneers in exposing the fallacies of Mormonism.

Excellent as usual. I showed my wife the similarities especially the early stuff and it was disturbing. It's also interesting how everything is changing. How much change can happen before it becomes pointless.

So, I am a Freemason and an ex-Mormon. I have actually studied the history of Masonic rituals (yes rituals, plural) and the evolution of the "blue lodge" degrees and the standardized forms of the Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason degrees. The Solomonic ritual that Joseph would have been introduced to, was actually created closer to the formation of the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) than during the middle ages where the Enochian and Noachitic rituals were more predominant. In fact, many elements that are incorporated into most current Masonic rituals were due to infighting and quarreling between two main Masonic groups -- the Moderns and the Ancients. Not wanting to have members of one group be able to sit in lodge with or join the other, the groups began swapping signs, tokens, words, and other parts around so that those that learned them from one group could not use them accurately in the other. In fact, many of the elements in the LDS temple taken from the Master Mason degree are known to be modern inventions because the MM degree was created as a special degree for those who have served as a Master of the Lodge (now this has been moved to the degree of Past Master as is usually presented in the York Rite, but that is a story for another day). Thus, if the modern Masonic ritual that has become the main form of Masonry is the basis for the LDS temple ceremonies (which from personal experience, I can attest it is), how can the fact that it was created around the late 1600s to early 1700s be an accurate claim that the ceremony is of ancient origin when the older ceremonies deal with an entirely different content altogether? Also, the problem I have with the anointing of oil part of the ceremony in the LDS temple is that the exact same phraseology is used in the Scottish Rite which preserved the Masonic rituals from the various masonic lodges and bodies that predate the formation of the UGLE in 1717. Why are specific anointing phrases used in Masonic ritual copied verbatim into the LDS Initiatory Ceremony? Why are the ceremonies of the Mormon temples nearly identical in form (albeit not in content) to the Masonic ritual that would have been predominant in Joseph's day, but which have since been changed in some modern masonic ritual? I always find it amusing when non-Masons try to lecture a Mason about Masonic things (as Kwaku is basically trying to do here) when they don't even have the experience to back up their claims. Overall, I liked your rebuttal to their video, though there is A LOT more on this subject that undermines the legitimacy claims of the LDS church regarding the "restoration" of temple ceremonies. However, I am assuming you are not a Freemason, and so you probably don't have some of the background or experience to actually note the even more damning claims that were not brought up in the CES letter. Which makes sense and given a non-Masonic background, even the inconsistencies that you point out are sufficient to discredit the TITS claims in their video.

Their childish attempt to invalidate sincere concerns is disgusting.

One of my biggest problems with the temple is the secrecy. Even when I was an active member, I couldn't understand all the fear surrounding talking about the temple (something which began to make sense to me when I learned about the blood oaths). The only thing that people actually covenant to never reveal is their new name. As far as I remember, not even the other signs and tokens come under that same covenant. But even if they do, the rest of it does not. I have always felt comfortable talking about what goes on in the temple. Now, even more so. It needs to be talked about so we can move past all the smoke and mirrors and understand what it actually is. There is nothing divinely inspired about it. It's simply a preparation to get people to commit to giving the church everything.

Obfuscation and deceit with buffoonery thrown in for good measure. Such embarrassment. I’m sure the church is thrilled with these two.

Great job Lewis. I do love the shrill, desperate and unhinged manner with which LDS front men are handling their PR. The want for a solid counter-attack is clearly not within their grasp. I do also love the use of straw-man arguments to shore up their frail position. When LDS practitioners wax eloquently regarding the temple rights and rituals and how they have the true legacy, I ask them what kind of animals do they sacrifice. I ask them how they perform burnt offerings, and are they environmentally friendly.

Those two guys at Fair Mormon are a royal pain. I can't really sit through their talks without being put off by their constant mockery, ad hominem, and eye-rolling sarcasm. You didn't miss a thing. Thanks for taking the time to handle this; well done, indeed. Brilliant ! marcus

Every time Kwaku opens his mouth I feel like punching something. He's so unbearable

Been ex for 9 years and never saw one of your videos until yesterday. This one and that one were incredibly well done and without emotion which is rare. New subscriber for sure. THANK YOU!!!

You’re amazing Nemo!!! 🤩👏👏👏👏 I am so happy that you hit 1,000 subscribers!!! You’re one of my absolute favorite KZfaqrs and I cannot wait to see the collaboration between you and Louis! That will be awesome 💗😊

Looks like FAIR just privated all these videos XD

10:15 no member has any context or is taught anything about the temple before or after going.

Once again you knocked it out of the park! Thanks Nemo , looking forward to Sunstone!

Nemo's pause at 3:28. LOL.

I’m ashamed I’m still regarded a member of this Church.

Look, when you get to the heart of the matter, why did Joseph come up with the Endowment Ceremony (based on Masonry) only after he himself became a Freemason just six weeks prior? It seems fishy at best.

Thank you for captioning:). I’ll looking forward on Thursday. You did a great job!

Wonderful video as always! I am so happy to see your collab. Regarding the subject of this video, this FairMormon videos are so childish, I can't even watch them without getting angry or annoyed. LDS Temple pratices, with all my honesty, I just don't get it. They don't align with Jesus teachings.

Congrats on 1000 Subscribers! I'm excited to keep seeing you grow! Thanks for all the amazing content Nemo!

There is a Masonic Temple on the South Temple Street in Salt Lake City, Utah. A few years ago I went on a public tour. This was so familiar to the endowment! Pretty much exactly to the pre -1978 endowment ceremony.Just that experience could have put me over the edge but no, I hung on for 20 more years. Ugh. Those two boys on this video make me crazy! I’m exhausted , too, Nemo. Thanks for your work Nemo.💋

I like the quote Jeremy put on the back of his letter and totally agree with it. "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." If Kwaku actually does believe I don't see why he feels the need to mock and why he thinks the truth can be harmed, it's pretty ironic of him to ostracise Jeremy as on a separate video Kwaku said members shouldn't. Doesn't the Book of Mormon say in Ether "fools mock, but they shall mourn."? They do sound like they are morning.

Until now, I'd never heard of those two. It makes me wonder what source of inspiration that program came from? I have to say that I quite enjoyed your commentary on them. I don't see how they could test anyone's faith with their commentary, but they could test your patience!

Congrats on 1K subscribers!! Watching your analysis superimposed over "This Is The Show" is a stark contrast of rational truth over banal mockery.

Does anyone know ANYONE that can honestly say that these Kwaku videos have buoyed or bolstered their faith? Has anyone ever heard another person go, “wow guys, you guys saved my faith when I was hanging off the edge!” When I had only shreds of a testimony left after the CES letter and GTEs, these videos confirmed that I was right. They are so horrible, so offensive, so harrowingly bad that they destroy all confidence in trying to preserve your testimony by listening to their flawed logic and sickening display of confirmation bias. And the Elder Holland BBC interview, where he ends up lying and looking like a total chump? What an apostle!?! I thought apostles would be able to spar toe to toe with any would-be reporter or interviewer but I realized (I just couldn’t see it before) that the “brethren” go down looking like total chumps everytime they are put in front of a camera and are grilled or asked tough questions.

The more I learn about Kwaku and Brad the more repugnant I find them.

Awesome as always! Excited for the team up with Pneumanosophy 11:30 mark. Fun fact: Paul did no such thing. Neither Acts nor Titus was written by Paul. Acts was written decades after Paul's ministry so even in the most charitable sense, Acts "quoting" of Paul needs be taken with a grain of salt. Titus is even more problematic as, apparently, several elements in the writing style would have been foreign to Paul and most likely a product of the Second Century (i.e. a forgery). Edit: In other words, Kwaku is too ignorant to realize he's inadvertently undermining his own case. The further one gets from Paul's actual words, the more one sees "borrowing" of non-Pauline ideas. The further Joseph gets from prophetic revelation, the more one sees borrowed items (and with Smith, it's ALL borrowed).

Great video! I found you and Lewis at the same time doing rebuttals to Kwaku. Can’t wait to see your collaboration.

If the church is the restored church of Christ, then why do we even have the temple endowment ceremony? I don’t recall that even being in Christ’s original church. And polygamy and temple sealings either.

The cultural appropriation part of their argument kind of defeats their own argument. If he got the idea from his culture, he didn’t get it from God. It doesn’t matter if other people have done similar things because they weren’t claiming God revealed it to them. The fact that they made this admission tells me they haven’t thought critically about the issues and their implications, or they’re just trying to manipulate people.

Kudos to you Nemo, l can't deal with the immaturity of the quaku team who lie and attack like first graders. You are remarkable to cope with them.

Found you on Exmo Reddit. I forgot how bad these videos are. Subscribed for your beautiful logic

Your first point nails it. The entire quote is actually fascinating in that I believe it is an attempt to defend against public concerns the original temple ordinances proscribed violence against opponents of the church. Which is an entirely different path of criticism.

I have been to the temple many times and I was always so confused when I would hear people say how much their learning increased during the endowment. I still don’t fully understand what they are talking about. The ceremony has never seemed like anything to help me understand ANYTHING better. I will say this, if the blood oaths were still happening when I went through, I would have quit the church so fast. I have had beautiful experiences in the temple, but I think the ceremony itself is so weird. Even with the new changes.

Congratulations on your 1,000 followers ❤

Great work again bud nice job congratulations on the 1k subs

"Now before you move on to another one of my videos..ahha...hehhhehh." Love it.

I think their audience are inoculated high school kids. 😂😂😂

I feel like making fun of those reading the CES Letter isn't a very Christlike thing to do

About 70 percent of the temple ceremony is straight out of Messianic rituals.

Oh my goodness. Midnight Mormons are like smug, know-it-all, 14-year olds. What can they do about their unfortunate name, giving Satan a win?

At the time of Solomon's temple, the Israelites had only the Aaronic Priesthood, so the presence of the Melchizedek Priesthood would be a non sequitur.

I like this guy's commentary on this train wreck of an organization. Well thought out!

I was coerced to act out slitting my own throat and cutting open my stomach.

Great work my friend! Keep it up.

Congratulations on 27K followers!!!! (and on gently calling these children on their snarky testimonials.

I was a member for 37 years. I never understood it. BECAUSE the context was hidden until I started listening to outside sources that are not church approved. Only then did I understand the temple. I don't like most of all that it is hidden. They don't tell you A THING that helps you understand the ceremony and it doesn't help you feel closer to God.

I'll make a prediction Kwaku won't be a Mormon in about 10 years watch.

Good thing you were able take these videos just for history sake.

Good on you for powering through this, I couldn't make half way through as it's one blatant lie from Kwaku and friends after another.

For myself, I just wish I would have known about the freemason connection for me to have it so i could give informed consent BEFORE dedicating all to the people hi d ING it from me. Deceit!

These 2 kids trying to refute the CES letter is just so... cringe worthy. They actually prove the point of the issues many of us have regarding the temple endowment and everything that goes into it. I find it interesting how Joseph Smith and Brigham Young stated that these cannot be altered / changed, and doing so would bring damnation onto you if you did, but over time, we see future "prophets, seers, revelators" making changes and declaring yesterdays "prophets, seers, revelators" as heretics or try to move their doctrine into a "personal view only". All the cunning word play and inability to actually complete the quotes they are refuting, and then making convenient excuses as to why they cannot discuss the more intricate details of the ceremony when other church leaders are on record doing just that...

I’d love to hear about your experiences working in the temple

If these "apologists" continue to post asinine videos like this it will only make Jeremy Runnells look more sophisticated and the CES letter look more convincing. I am still in (PIMO) and I couldn't be more embarrassed to be a member of the church when I see these two clowns in action. Embarrassing indeed!

In my post-Mormon years, I obviously don’t believe in any ordinance of the LDS temple.For decades, I had participated in countless baptisms for the dead, my own marriage ceremony, and copious amounts of everything in between. What I find to be the most baffling thing is if the LDS temple ceremonies and ordinances were a part of the restored gospel in its fullness and eternally binding, then why did changes take place? Are the covenants that people made 50, 100, 200 years ago altered to conform to these changes? If so, it would make God a liar. Because, by Mormon definition, a covenant with God has terms that are set by God and the covenant participants agree with the terms and God-given promises for strict obedience. Even The Book of Mormon agrees with the Bible in that God is the same today, yesterday, and forever. Yet He cannot be the same if He changes the terms of an eternally binding covenant that was made hundreds of years ago. But if the historical individuals’ covenants with God do not change, yet the ordinances themselves do change, then that makes Joseph Smith a liar and a false prophet.

If we were all in a previous time of the church a few decades ago, this behavior Kwaku demonstrated would've been abhorrent for acting out out. It would've nearly caused him to be excommunicated or an auto distancing on the suppose of some Priest craftis aloof. The infraction wouldn't have been to save the image of the church or to abuse authority(from that time), it would've been just for acting against the character of people that we used to be. It would've been seen not just as dangerously prideful, but also just not who we are. Those times sadly don't exist anymore and the people is a political zoo apparently serving a political church. It appears their approach is geared to flashy and trendy, in order to jump start an emotional upheaval trend in membership and put their innuendo in to invoke an annoyed / light mindedness reciprocating marker to be applied to anyone of their viewers watching it, or to create a scoff to the more arrogant to uphold 'more right'. Their presentation just represents a lot of plucky indignity to the point of making mockery at the faith and themselves. This sort of thing would've been just seen as irreverent and menacing. Of course Im not defending the church per se by just saying that, just defending who we used to be as a people with our own values* before we got leashed to another in house theocracy. Values* like looking out for one another. That sentiment also no longer exists, instead it is transformed into apologizing for an abusive God and hanging on his coat tails like an abusive Father. Like serving in the role of an abusive relationship to try to out win the difference knowing no better and living in self denial to believe that the difference can be turned for being a more submissive docile adherent staying in the relationship and whom doesn't want to believe that they're the victim being voluntarily used for being better on behalf of an abusive leadership.

Their video is painfully devoid of solid logic 😞

Nemo. I've never seen such a logical and charitable nuking of a pair of irritating teenagers. Very amusing and educational.

I hate those skinny print floral ties.

So enriching to listen to Nemo. I’m glad I ran into this channel!

The white dude appears in the Physical Science KZfaq videos for the byu science classes… That is so wild hahaha… I will now think of him as a crazy apologist every time I see him

I feel my inner Brother Jake coming on..... The temple is where we go to in order to enter super VIP heaven and do cool God stuff!

Does Kwaku know he’s not funny? Should someone tell him?

Once again, Nemo destroying Mormons!!!

I truly despise fair Mormon, which isn’t really fair at all.

Hey just found your channel I love it. Have you heard of adventures with Luis he has a channel similar to yours you guys should definitely do a video together I think it would be awesome. I must be a freaking psychic I wrote my first comment before you mentioned about a collaboration with somebody. And as soon as you did mention it I knew immediately that it was going to be at Lewis and then my suspicions were confirmed sometimes I blow my own mind 😂

So very well done.

This is nit picking I know but Halloween and Christmas are not pagan. See especially the work of Ronald Hutton

I followed the link you provided to the original video and it has been made private

Fair Mormon took all these videos down.

Knowing the masonic roots of the temple ceremony, does it still have any special meaning to you? Does its origins take away its sanctity and importance?

Most difficult things to do. 1. Guard Davante Adams 1 on 1. 2. Out shoot Steph Curray. 3. Run a mile in 5 mins. Things more difficult. Be a intellectually honest Mormon apologist.

How can Kwaku and Al be so annoying and have such poor delivery and still be supported by the LDS.? Studio C is humorous and has decent actors.

I think Mormonism was a good fit for Kwaku’s narcissism

My dad was a freemason as well as many of his friends, he did a lot of business with them. Many of them take it that Freemasonry started in the 1700's a few of them actually believe the Freemasonry emerged from the Masons who helped build King Solomon's temple. I've always questioned those who suggest that Freemasonry started ex nihilo, because everything they do can be found in other ancient sectors.

So those are the idiots who've decided to abduct my son & force him to do religious crap. Doesn't that just reek of fakeness.

Great job, oh and I saw an advert. So so so so excited.

Um. I find those two guys completely rude and disrespectful. I would not want them to represent me. They’re so cringy-I don’t understand why they’d take this sarcastic, mocking approach.

Thank you for the analysis. Are there any references to suggest the temple ceremonies are from Joseph vs Brigham? What is the earliest info we have on this topic? For instance, some believe Joseph restored the gospel and Brigham corrupted it.

These guys talk about how they and the rest of the church talk about the temple ceremonies with reverence. Their commentary, when specifically speaking about the temple is anything but reverent. It's like I'm watching the Disney channel or Nickelodeon. Their sarcasm and mannerisms are so unprofessional. Yet they are tasked by the church to cover this topic.

This Is The Show may well go down as one of the worst mistakes in the apologetics history of the church (I'm assuming they funded them in a round-about kind of way?).

Separation of the wheat from the tares. There will be burning.

love your vids! didn’t know u are an ExMo

PAY LAY ALE! PAY LAY ALE!

Do you have anything like a Patreon where we can support you and your content?

Wait, when was the livestream with Lewis? Was that yesterday?

"... are literally just saying stuff." Double-take and slow blink.

These guys are supposed to be disciples of Jesus Christ? Why are they so mean spirited? I feel no Christian love coming from these boys, and I’m hurt that they mock questions from members in faith crisis.😢