The Complete SECOND AGE of Middle-earth Timeline | Middle-Earth Lore

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The Broken Sword

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Today we dive into the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings to give you a timeline for the Second Age of Middle-earth!
I only talk about these points briefly, as this video is more focused on the entire timeline, so if there are any of the moments you would like a more detailed video on then please let us know in the comments below!
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0:00 - Intro
3:53 - The Timeline
19:46 - QotD & Outro
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Armenelos - ralphdamiani
Numenor's Legion of Armenelos - SamMcKinnon
Sauron - Jerry Vanderstelt
Tulkas Chaining Morgoth - KipRasmussen
LotR on Prime Second Age Map
The Grey Havens - Matthew Stewart
Ereinion Gil-galad - (Artist Unknown)
Across Middle-Earth - Khazad-Dum - ralphdamiani
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Rivendell - Ivan Cavini
Moria Gate - Ted Nasmith
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Sauron the Dark Lord - Kaprriss
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Sunrise on the Colossi in Numenor - KipRasmussen
Nazgul (lord of the rings) - AnatoFinnstark
Palace of the Corsairs, Umbar - Angelique Shelley
Pelargir Docks - Emilio R. Camarena
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Sauron Bows Submits to Ar-Pharazon - KipRasmussen
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Sauron - Anna Podedworna
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@BabyMamaMaker
@BabyMamaMaker Жыл бұрын
Last time I came this early to a video, Aragorn saved Boromir.
@whoisgoobafish9623
@whoisgoobafish9623 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the resentment that Elendil and the faithful had for Sauron, watching him slowly corrupt their people, making them refugees and now facing him in his true form in Mordor, likewise for Sauron seeing the survivors of numenor that he couldn’t deceive still standing defiantly and now empowered before him after the lengths he went to lol
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
Amandil, father of Elendil The Tall took a ship to seek the help of the valar. Amandil was never seen after that but it is believed that he did deliver his message. Before he set off on his quest, he told his son to make ready ships so the faithful could escape the downfall of Numenor.
@allthatishere
@allthatishere Жыл бұрын
I just find it comical that Sauron went from a "prisoner of war" to the "right hand man of the king."
@whoisgoobafish9623
@whoisgoobafish9623 Жыл бұрын
@@allthatishere only Sauron 😂
@Manco65
@Manco65 Жыл бұрын
@@allthatishere well if you actually read all of Tolkien's works and get an idea of the time frame it's not impossible to comprehend. Besides humans have stupidity short memories and are easily corrupted.
@allthatishere
@allthatishere Жыл бұрын
@@Manco65 I didn't say it was impossible, I just find it to be comical. I get the gist of what happened and it does make sense.
@Dr_Cole
@Dr_Cole Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the Cliff notes version more than I thought I might. I’d welcome seeing all of the other times this way.
@wintersnoob
@wintersnoob Жыл бұрын
You gotta respect Numenor's might. They were the human equivalent to Valinor 's Vanyar and Noldor elves. Whilst Lindon and Eregion elves struggled to hold Sauron, the Numenoreans came to their rescue and kick his ass back to Barad-ur. Then a thousand years later, again with Sauron and his power rebuilt, they form a host, cruise through Harad and kick his ass in Mordor with their power alone and bring him in chains. Imagine how powerful you need to be to cruise through a powerful Mordor and bring back Sauron in chains without much difficulty.
@trenthardcastle
@trenthardcastle Жыл бұрын
The complete timelines for First, Third & Fourth ages would be fantastic
@graviaLycan1
@graviaLycan1 Жыл бұрын
This! I'd love those!
@brycecobble416
@brycecobble416 Жыл бұрын
I really like this style of video. It'd be so cool to see the earliest eras of the Silmarillion! Though that's... probably not possible. The timescale alone! Thanks for making these videos, guys! I really hope the new series is good. Hope being the key word.
@Kinheimr
@Kinheimr Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video like this about the first age. And to answer your question, I would like to see an in depth video about the fall of Numenor
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
I’d love to make one on the First Age too 😁
@nazgulizm
@nazgulizm Жыл бұрын
After all that time, all it took was to speak friend to open it. Some incredible door hinge engineering right there
@bradylewis1037
@bradylewis1037 Жыл бұрын
Good to see Goldar on the thumbnail
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@Tolkien.catolico.peru25
@Tolkien.catolico.peru25 Жыл бұрын
WOOOOOW!!! Perfect video, perfect timing! Thank you!!
@Alex9971000
@Alex9971000 Жыл бұрын
The last time I was this early, one could simply walk into Mordor
@00martoneniris86
@00martoneniris86 Жыл бұрын
The fall of Eregion
@CarolinaPine
@CarolinaPine Жыл бұрын
Yes, the fall of Eregion, as well as the fall of Numenor.
@Huskytabby
@Huskytabby Жыл бұрын
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
@KamilMurzyn
@KamilMurzyn Жыл бұрын
Something about Doors of Durin - they were opened before the Fellowship of the Ring. For example Gandalf ventured Moria before and said he exit the mines from inside.
@leonardofaber5823
@leonardofaber5823 Жыл бұрын
Good video
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615 Жыл бұрын
Excellent as always Mellon! The second age is my favorite age...Keep it up! "Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!!"
@Jackrabbit9961
@Jackrabbit9961 Жыл бұрын
The sinking of Numenor should be incredible.
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
They hopefully will show the queen struggling to reach the summit of menaltarma so she could make one last desperate plea to the valar before she too was lost in the downfall... That would probably be one of the saddest scenes for me but it was no less important.
@sitroom8922
@sitroom8922 Жыл бұрын
"... Not received well..." Greatest understatement of all times. Lol, loved this time line of the 2nd age.
@markbarlow4296
@markbarlow4296 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the video. Really useful background to guide me through ROP. Love the channel 👍👍
@Ruisreallyreallytall
@Ruisreallyreallytall Жыл бұрын
Just love these videos! Thank you for sharing! I find myself nodding along and agreeing with you so often :)
@InsideTheProduct
@InsideTheProduct Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure i will watch the show, I'm way too much into Tolkien stories to see them changed :D Having said that, I would love to see the founding of Lindon and Eregion realms, as well as what on earth is Maglor doing, that could be something the show could speculate with... you can always hope ;)
@sambambinohadji9513
@sambambinohadji9513 Жыл бұрын
You are doing a great job! Keep up the with the topics.
@AndrewLawArt
@AndrewLawArt Жыл бұрын
I just like to thank you guys for the effort and work you put into these videos. ❤️❤️
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much :D
@goshlike76
@goshlike76 Жыл бұрын
This is the Second Age we want to see. Quality video.
@HoistxthexColorsxfan
@HoistxthexColorsxfan Жыл бұрын
This was SO helpful, if you did this style more I would definitely appreciate it!
@crossharp7814
@crossharp7814 Жыл бұрын
A similar video on the First Age be nice. I really enjoyed this one. Good overview focusing on highlights without neglecting "connecting" material. You do a great job on these videos. I've recently discovered the channel, and become a regular viewer.
@davidchapman4555
@davidchapman4555 Жыл бұрын
Reliable as usual! When I need something on the second age you got me fam.
@Caniac76
@Caniac76 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this. It really helps to have this in mind for the show.
@mikelgrillo3378
@mikelgrillo3378 Жыл бұрын
I greatly enjoyed this style. Please continue.
@rebeccacutts7290
@rebeccacutts7290 Жыл бұрын
You gained a new follower with this. I'm going to go back and watch more. But more of this style would be great!
@OpticZodiac15
@OpticZodiac15 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this I’m learning a lot getting ready for September!!
@Ancientreapers
@Ancientreapers Жыл бұрын
10:06 Celebrimbor was not killed at the battle of Eregion. He was captured and tortured by Sauron for 2 years. He would still not reveal the location of the 3 elven rings. He died from the torture eventually. The orcs shot up his corpse with arrows and hung him on a pole as a banner.
@JCO2002
@JCO2002 Жыл бұрын
Another error - the western door of Moria didn't remain closed until the Fellowship entered it. Gandalf had exited from it some time before.
@valdeschmitt900
@valdeschmitt900 Жыл бұрын
@@JCO2002 no no, they are kinda correct... It was never open from OUTSIDE untill the fellowship. Just a little mistake from the narrator/text.
@teamsteed1
@teamsteed1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting the video. I've always wondered about the timeline of middle earth.
@inblackestnight9256
@inblackestnight9256 Жыл бұрын
Succinct yet informative. Good work! I would say that the importance of all the elf lords you mentioned can't be bypassed to tell a proper 2nd age story, but the teasers make it seem the show may be doing just that.
@trent5641
@trent5641 Жыл бұрын
Love this style of video awesome great work love to see it for other ages
@Licht.von.Stein.
@Licht.von.Stein. Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video comparing this timeline to the Rings of Power? Let's see how different the story is from the works of Tolkien.
@istari0
@istari0 Жыл бұрын
Well, considering the showrunners have said they are compressing the 2nd Age timeline for at least the major events to within one human, presumably Númenórean lifetime, there are major changes for that alone.
@unpopularopinion5022
@unpopularopinion5022 Жыл бұрын
amazon has condensed the timelines a lot so that there are not many human deaths , thus they would only show main characters.
@unpopularopinion5022
@unpopularopinion5022 Жыл бұрын
@@allthatishere i think given how little info and how big gaps in lore are about the 2nd age. its not a surprise that majority would be original characters.
@cmcculloch1
@cmcculloch1 Жыл бұрын
Im not sure he would be able to do a 5 hour video....
@joshnixon3257
@joshnixon3257 Жыл бұрын
Yes, please more timeline videos. They are very helpful!
@lied1484
@lied1484 Жыл бұрын
Thouroughly enjoyed it! Thanks
@borisbadaxe9678
@borisbadaxe9678 Жыл бұрын
I missed the part in Tolkien's writings where the Elves need mithril to keep them from fading.
@JDRSBUMPERSTICKERS
@JDRSBUMPERSTICKERS Жыл бұрын
Great video, 3rd will be watched if added!!
@WhoIsCalli
@WhoIsCalli Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this, many thanks. Yes.. please do timelines for other ages too 😊
@_Gareath
@_Gareath Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks.
@autumnleaves240
@autumnleaves240 Жыл бұрын
Subscriber request: Id love a deep dive into the first and last kings of Nunenor, elronds twin brother and AR Pharazon
@eduardosalazarsotomayor9629
@eduardosalazarsotomayor9629 Жыл бұрын
Please do more "what ifs" Ps: love your vids
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😁
@milanprtvar6327
@milanprtvar6327 7 ай бұрын
Great video! You could really make similar videos for all the previous and following ages.
@ossianwright258
@ossianwright258 Жыл бұрын
Great Video as always
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@blaircolquhoun7780
@blaircolquhoun7780 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thank you.
@mikemallory8892
@mikemallory8892 Жыл бұрын
Keep it up I love listen to the Insight that you give.
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do 😊
@Ganjasmith
@Ganjasmith Жыл бұрын
very cool video style!
@Daangalf
@Daangalf Жыл бұрын
I would love such a breakdown of the other Ages too :)
@annaroselarsen4218
@annaroselarsen4218 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@markodevaio6972
@markodevaio6972 Жыл бұрын
Very nice video .. can't wait to see the third age in a video like this one ⚘️
@nikolajwinther5955
@nikolajwinther5955 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered why the second age didn't end with the drowning of Numenor. A much more cataclysmic event than the defeat of Sauron in the war of the last alliance.
@1Drakorn
@1Drakorn Жыл бұрын
I think it's because, so far, all ages have ended when the respective Dark Lord was vanquished. First Age ended with Morgoth's defeat, Second Age ended with Sauron's defeat, Third Age ended with Sauron's final defeat.
@fredrikolsson8489
@fredrikolsson8489 Жыл бұрын
Would be awesome to see Sauron being captured and start manupulating the numenors! Also perfect video before the series, thanks!
@hudsonball4702
@hudsonball4702 Жыл бұрын
I'm not holding my breath for TroP to be anything close to good.
@peterscaglione1345
@peterscaglione1345 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this presentation! Please do same for all ages of Middle Earth. Thank you!!
@slash1987rhm
@slash1987rhm Жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to the scenery in the TV series. For example, Eregion, Arnor, Numenor, flashbacks to Beleriand 😍😍😍
@ProdicalMan
@ProdicalMan Жыл бұрын
What good is scenery when the story will be 💩
@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored
@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored Жыл бұрын
This is by far the best video on the 2nd age. Beautiful I wish to donate please share the link.
@Theelby33
@Theelby33 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos and yes please do the third age.
@stevemcleroy3947
@stevemcleroy3947 Жыл бұрын
Well done.
@shovelchop81bikeralex52
@shovelchop81bikeralex52 Жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive and helpful thank you! Really makes me wonder why the amazon 'Rings Of Power' teasers haven't alluded to ANY of this! In fact looking back on the teasers they seem to be covering a completely different or alternative timeline.
@lizziesmusicmaking
@lizziesmusicmaking Жыл бұрын
The rings of power showrunners seem to have decided to massively compress the timeline to create something quite different from what Tolkien wrote. They aren't using the canon timeline at all.
@gsmith1135
@gsmith1135 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out. I appreciate tubers throwing out content for us followers. Trying to figure out when Rings of Power is taking place. It sounds like 3255 but a lot of the show story sounds earlier since the Numenor act like they have gone to ME recently at all (going off the timeline for them in Umbar).
@pedrovargas2181
@pedrovargas2181 Жыл бұрын
ROP is an emetic fanfic that happens only in the writers's empty heads.
@jonahroberts9924
@jonahroberts9924 Жыл бұрын
The first age is interesting and like to now more about it and this a really great video my favorite one at least.
@Usapyon_0719
@Usapyon_0719 Жыл бұрын
if you have not already can you please make one of the first age? This one was great. Actually seeing all the timelines would really be great, but seeing the first age is the one i am interested in seeing next :) :)
@alannolan5126
@alannolan5126 Жыл бұрын
yes do this kind of video for First Age and Third age
@Starrynightdiner
@Starrynightdiner Жыл бұрын
Good one.
@Fonn160
@Fonn160 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see a video about the fall of eregion
@jackthehumanofficial
@jackthehumanofficial Жыл бұрын
amazing
@toddfeather5760
@toddfeather5760 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see elros leaving Elrond in one flash back from Elrond point of view and the last ever scene of the last season should be the last alliance marching to face saurons forces but I can’t wait to see isildur stealing the white tree sapling from numenor myself and the great flood but also seeing sauron make the ring himself
@MagnaMater2
@MagnaMater2 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and looking at the first pictures I thought the actor they gave us as 'Celebrimbor' would have been better suited as Elros, aged up compared to his twin.
@pedrovargas2181
@pedrovargas2181 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣 nyet Not with the pile of dung the Rings of Pamper have done.
@MatthewNeitzel
@MatthewNeitzel Жыл бұрын
Loved the style keep doing them this way very easy to follow and learn from Would love to see someone bring to life the story of Beren and luthien Rings of power have already messed up the numenor timeline too much which really ruins a lot of their story but the biggest part for me that they can’t mess up is portraying sairons ability to manipulate. They have to make it believable and make him look powerful that way
@4Bobay
@4Bobay Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. I've always been curious about the Kingdom of Lindon and how the Noldor chose to live in For-Lindon, ( North of the Lune) while the Sindar lived in Har-Lindon.( South of the Lune) Again, thank you for your videos.
@kckaz4453
@kckaz4453 Жыл бұрын
Well done, M8
@lotsofspots
@lotsofspots Жыл бұрын
10:50 not true, the Western doors of Moria could be quite easily opened from the inside, Gandalf and Aragorn had both previously travelled through the mines that way, having entered from the East.
@anardistformerlynigel5250
@anardistformerlynigel5250 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that more people are being introduced to Tolkien and especially his works outside the events of The Hobbit & The Lord Of The Rings. I'm looking forward to the new show and seeing how other people imagine it all.
@TheFearlessFew
@TheFearlessFew Жыл бұрын
Can we get a Smaug vs Balrog What If versus battle breakdown!?
@LeavesOfTelperion
@LeavesOfTelperion Жыл бұрын
I am VERY excited to see the Lord of Gifts befriending Celebrimbor and deceiving the elves to create the rings of power.
@MagnaMater2
@MagnaMater2 Жыл бұрын
I can see them cutting the thing with the Tar-&Ar- Kings short and the whole Civil-War with the Faithful & Kingsmen playing out between Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon.
@jameskirk3
@jameskirk3 Жыл бұрын
Gonna have to start that one right over again lol. Sounds like ROP is starting about the year 3000
@ianschleh8488
@ianschleh8488 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@jackthehumanofficial
@jackthehumanofficial Жыл бұрын
yes please do the first age also!!!!!!! 💛💛💛💛💛
@shanebisme
@shanebisme Жыл бұрын
Please do all other ages of Arda. Others have done them, but I want to see your take on it.
@Otababallin
@Otababallin Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see the story of Tuor & the story of Glorfindel as well
@nightshadehelis9821
@nightshadehelis9821 Жыл бұрын
I have a stupid question, I've never read the books and only have watched the movies a million times, but I was wondering about king Theoden from the two towers right before he rides out into battle. He says "where is the horse and the rider?" What was this about? How did he know? Was there a prophecy or something? Also, right before he's turned back into himself by the white wizard, he calls Gandalf "stormcrow". What did that mean?
@leonardofaber5823
@leonardofaber5823 Жыл бұрын
"Stormcrow" is an ill way to say Gandalf only brings bad News and unfortunate events. "Where is the horse and the rider" is part of a poem in the books, where the old days of Rohirrim are retold
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
The words of Grima Wormtongue: "ill news is an ill guest".
@LordMinato2900
@LordMinato2900 Жыл бұрын
Can you please do a timeline video for the third age?
@fitzgeraldfilmsMN
@fitzgeraldfilmsMN Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I’m very excited for the show. It’s these main timeline moments that I’m most excited for. There may be a lot that feels filler or doesn’t work well but I hope these main moments are executed well.
@willffre
@willffre Жыл бұрын
i always keep asking how precisely the edain got blessed, either the moment when they entered numenor or over the generations of edain born on numenor got stronger older and taller
@leonardofaber5823
@leonardofaber5823 Жыл бұрын
The moment they started learning from Eonwë the blessing was given
@willffre
@willffre Жыл бұрын
@@leonardofaber5823 aha i see thanks so i could asume it was the later generations thats learned most of those blessings?
@leonardofaber5823
@leonardofaber5823 Жыл бұрын
@@willffre the Edain were the founding fathers of the Númenórëans. So not the later generations, but the very first ones
@willffre
@willffre Жыл бұрын
@@leonardofaber5823 ah thanks for clearing that up for me
@jonahex1921
@jonahex1921 Жыл бұрын
We want a complete timeline even if it takes 2 hours,thank you lots of 💕💕💕
@crownless4925
@crownless4925 Жыл бұрын
Classy move to credit all the artists
@maxisto333
@maxisto333 Жыл бұрын
I would love a timeline video about the others ages
@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored
@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much :D
@karllorenzobabiano6328
@karllorenzobabiano6328 Жыл бұрын
I never heard a name "galadriel" in this video. Maybe I just failed to hear it. Meanwhile all I see is galadriel in this new Amazon fan fiction.
@Kobajilovic
@Kobajilovic Жыл бұрын
Missed this one - S.A. Year 1600 - Glorfindel sent back by the Valar to help Gil-Galad and Elrond with his newly gained powers. Why is everyone keep skipping on my main boy here?! :(
@Jayjay-qe6um
@Jayjay-qe6um Жыл бұрын
So, the Second Age lasted for 3,441 years.
@francishaight2062
@francishaight2062 Жыл бұрын
That is ONE. LONG. HISTORY! But I love it, thank you for taking the time to present it this way! I have a question. So, in the year 1600 SA, Sauron finally forges the one Ring to Rule Them All, right? The epic battle in which Isildur chops the ring off Sauron’s finger is 3431 SA? And during this roughly 1700 year interval there are all kinds of epic battles where the Dark Lord himself can say, like the rest of us “you win some, you lose some!”? He even gets taken prisoner and frog-marched to Numenor, where he bides his time (for how long?) long enough to snooker the king into making him an advisor there and to convert the populace to worshippers of Morgoth! Etc… Given the almost maniacal urgency with which the Council of Elrond would shove the Fellowship of the Ring out towards Mt. Doom in the 3rd Age, I would have expected much more dire and immediate consequences for his enemies when Sauron had initially completed the forging of his One Ring way, way back in 1600 of the second age. Like, within minutes. So what am I missing here? Thanks to this channel and others like it, you guys have revived my love of Tolkien’s life-long work on this amazing saga. Now I can’t let it go, thank you very much! Cheers!
@JM-jj3eg
@JM-jj3eg Жыл бұрын
The situation is very different between the two ages. There were only a few Noldor left in Middle-Earth in the late Third Age, but there was an entire kingdom of Noldor (Lindon) in the Second Age. Even Gondor at it's peak (~1000 TA) was only a shadow of the glory of Numenor, and Gondor in the late Third Age was a shadow of it's former glory. Khazad-dum was trashed by Durin's Bane in 1980 TA, and the Dwarves were reduced in strength and numbers.
@francishaight2062
@francishaight2062 Жыл бұрын
@@JM-jj3eg that’s a very good and concise explanation and I like it! The differences between these 2 ages as you describe them must have really been something! I figured it had to be something like that, but it’s also occurred to me that, along with these external differences, perhaps Sauron had invested so much of his power into the ring that it would take time for him to then acquire the kind of frightful leverage worthy of the ring’s power and which he had intended. And, in the meantime, he still managed to really come out and create some grief: to go from prisoner to advisor in Numenor; then convince its men to start worshiping middle earth’s equivalent of Lucifer; and then get them to attack the good guys in Aman. I’m guessing Iluvatar’s sinking of Numenor subsequently is a good indication of Sauron’s crescendoing mischief. Put another way, when the ring is finally cut from his finger, what’s immediately left of him is practically nothing-suggesting how much power was now in that thing. Fast forward 3 millennia. He’s STILL without that thing, and yet… just imagine the combined power between the ring itself and what Sauron had amassed in the meantime! That makes sense to me. Yikes.
@LordTelperion
@LordTelperion Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the War of the Elves and Sauron and the fall of Ost-in-Edhil. So many powerful High Elves there...it must have been epic.
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
Three of the Nazgul were men from the mighty race of Numenor. My guess is that the Witch King was one of those three along with Kamul The Easterling and possibly Gothmog.
@unpopularopinion5022
@unpopularopinion5022 Жыл бұрын
i am guessing halbrand will become one of the nazgul
@johnnyedelhoff5866
@johnnyedelhoff5866 Жыл бұрын
Khamul the Easterling was, surprisingly, an Easterling
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
@@johnnyedelhoff5866 the black numenoreans also did settle among the Easterlings and the Haradrim. So my comment isn't off the mark.
@johnnyedelhoff5866
@johnnyedelhoff5866 Жыл бұрын
@@natedorney7032 yes but the that he's known as THE Easterling suggests that he's an Easterling. Also the name Khamûl doesn't sound very Númenorean
@natedorney7032
@natedorney7032 Жыл бұрын
@@johnnyedelhoff5866 it could be a name given to him by the easterlings.
@JCO2002
@JCO2002 Жыл бұрын
I expect that Amazon's "adaptation" will bring interest in the Second Age to an end. Perhaps it will be revived in the future if it gets proper treatment.
@chrisbrooke2746
@chrisbrooke2746 Жыл бұрын
Just a correction, the Doors of Durin ( the Westgate ) would have been opened by Balin's people ( remember the comments in the book of Marzubul regarding the watcher in the water?) also Gandalf opened it ( from inside Moria) as per his comments when trying to open the door during the Fellowship
@johnw1640
@johnw1640 Жыл бұрын
Hello, and thank you for the video. It confirmed what i read online and brings me to my question. What is up with LOTR: Rings of Power? What I mean is the show does not appear to follow the timeline. The show starts before the establishment of Mordor, and creation of the rings, yet Elendil and his son Isildur also exist? There appears to be a huge amount of artistic license being used here by bringing characters and events together that are thousands of years apart. Would you be able to enlighten as to why this was done? The articles I found online regarding the show do not address this glaring rewriting of the legendarium.
@-e-1536
@-e-1536 Жыл бұрын
Good job! Unfortunately Amazon did to Tolkien's masterpiece what Melkor did to the elves (tortured and disfigured it into an unrecognizable abomination)
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