I completely agree.

Why do they keep taking it down? Do they take everything related to Mike Tyson down? Did Fiq say r@pe 4 times instead of 3 in the first 37.6 minutes of the video?

@@annward7794 On KZfaq, 99 times out of 100, it's copyright, copyright, copyright.

He doesn't deserve compassion he's a sick individual

@@chocolateprincess2656 sick people don't deserve compassion?

I feel like that a great line to put on a shirt to wear to the gym. What that line says it says a lot, but mainly, men will naturally express a lot of pride. In doing so, men will run into opposition, wherein, they will either triumph or fall. Falling will teach a man to have a newfound respect for the world, gain perspective on the world (and that they don't loom as large as they presumed), and they come out learning something new that change how they move. People will have a problem with the line because it singles out men instead of being generalized to anyone, but not every, message is meant for everybody. It is also the case that not every person can speak to the experience of every demographic. Of course there is also the aspect that people will think that Tyson is saying men should not be humble, amd my retort is that his quote is literally saying that the world, life and the people in it should actively seek to humble men. So unless, your currently humbling a man you shouldn't be complaining. Also, I'd argue teststerone prevents men from being innately humble.

@@angelarballo4478This comment unravels itself at the end.

@@angelarballo4478it’s about pushing boundaries. Men are meant to be the boundary pushers of society/culture. They can handle the consequences of their actions and we can handle punishing them for going too far. We do not hold women and children to the same accountability as men. So to empower women to push boundaries is generally not the natural social order. Women become unsatisfied when they are punished for pushing boundaries. So they either get credit they don’t deserve, or become dissatisfied facing the consequences for their actions. Men are more malleable and punishable. Literally, Tyson was capable of taking and dishing out punishment. He was a boundary obliterator - and it took a long time to humble such a epic heroic character. Age humbled him just as much as his losses. These are the natural cycles of the young males transition from infancy, to boyhood, to adulthood, to seniority.

and Tyson grew up in poverty and emotional, physical, and sexual abuse

i thought this was new and was like holy shit does this guy sleep

Happy to watch again. Effin KZfaq. ALGORITHM!!

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Saying Mike Tyson has done good things and bad things is the understatement of the day.

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I started Boxing training at age 8 (1980). It has caused me many problems. At ages 8-12 I took countless hard headshots.

That's what makes him so relatable to casual fight fans imo, he had a regular geniuses brain, not boxing genius.

Yo, Foreign! Would've thought I'd see big man this channel.

@gibbdude your insight is deep and meaningful. I'm so glad you took the time to comment such a lengthy response. thank you for your brave words, they will be remembered by scholars and poets for ages to come.

i 100000% agree! this is what i think is most indicative of his character. i’ll forever be traumatised from my assault and him doing 3 years and following it up by not confessing or taking public accountability is extremely frustrating because the public views him in a very positive light overall. rich powerful men can do the absolute bare minimum and get away with it and it’s so scary. he’s most likely changed a lot, but nowhere near enough to be admired or widely praised. as a woman the aspect of this video i really struggled with was the creator discussing the gold digger accusations his first wife was accused of, and following it up with her claims he abused her- as if those two things are comparable and not just purely indicative of the widespread culture of misogyny.

Part of the problem with the criminal justice system that you describe is that there's no incentive to admit to a crime. Like if people who committed crimes knew that there was a path that ended with redemption and them being welcome back into society after they do their penance, I think more people would be willing to be honest about crimes . But in our system right now, the minute you're caught you have to plead not guilty if you want a fair trial.

As someone who has been the abusive person in the past, I think this conversation is important. To me it is valuable that the victim has sympathy for their abuser, because no one in this world ever does. I have been the abuser because of my own circumstances growing up, it is what I learned about how to navigate in conflict, and what worked for me for years. I don't know if your abuser ever apologised to you, but I from the bottom of my heart hope he told you this: You never deserved the abuse I put you through. I myself have experienced it snd it hurts me to realise that I have caused another person this pain. The reason why I did it is, because I felt how I used to feel when I was confronted with abuse, and in my mind I was the victom that had to stand up for themselves, but I was wrong and I should have never even attempted to make you feel how I have felt. I should have apologised sooner, but I never could because I was a fool that denied the idea that maybe I have become the abuser. I know the world doesn't rewaed abusers for apologising, but I still think it's important that we do and let the people we have hurt, that they never deserved this pain, to end these cycles of abuse. I personally had to sit together with a therapist and learn how to apologise and navogate myself in triggering situations. About Tyson, I think the person he needs to apologise to and be held accountable for is his victims. He is still just a person in the public eye, and while he should be held accountable, I think we should not be misled to try making him the scapegoat for the abusers we have had in our lives, to project our feelings onto. This type of thinking is what has led me down the path of abusive behaviour in the first place. I truly just hope he has gotten bettet around the coversation about masculinity and how he represents that image for some, and he could take the opportunity to show how someone with the past of an abuser should move on and away from that life, for the abusers in the world that remain in denial of their actions.

" it only punishes for the sake of punishing at best and more often systemically harms those who can't afford to avoid it. " the problem is not the lack of rehabilitation (although it doesn't help) but mostly the lack of balance in society before the infraction/crime. in that way it reflects the way pro-life is not balanced out with financial support systems for having children. if you want to (and that is the million dollar question) keep people from going to prison, maybe a society should invest in decent housing and education? the exceptions - "i was poor and never became a criminal" - only prove the rule.

Kind of like More-ee?

@@FDSignifire kind of, and we roll our Rs, which can be hard if you're not used to so not that big a deal. Think of Maui from Moana and add an R "Mau-ree". Thank you for taking the time to clarify!

@@reb3578 thanks for helping me

Thank you for teaching us how to say it properly :)

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As I think k about it. Any form of sexual interaction between a prisoner and a prison gaurd is coerced and thus an assault. I didn't even know this much. Damn shame

Fellow NZer so thank you so much for the rec of Moana Jackson. I grew up (and was educated) overseas so I am trying to develop a more informed and nuanced understanding of our history.

Great comment, I love that F.D. saw it too. The pigeonholing of haka as violence was a weird moment in an otherwise great video

There are too many men who get away with sex crimes and remain in powerful positions. Joe Biden, for example, is a rapist but people still make excusea for him. Rape culture is so ubiquitous

Cry more. Mike Tyson’s legend will live forever

@@Chiefteeth1 found the pro-rape guy

I think the "trying to empathize and rehabilitate...in the public eye" is a huge thing. Like, of the very, very, VERY small percentage of abusers who incur jail time (or any punishment at all), people want to say "well, they did their time, they deserve a second chance!" Which...okay, but does a second chance mean "gets to keep being famous"? "Gets to do endorsements"? Wouldn't the second chance be "is no longer in jail for r*pe"?

I find Mike Tyson's case to be very much like R. Kelly's case from the opposite perspective. People for years defended Kelly despite it being clear what he had done and was still doing. I'm not sure why they did but they did. On the other hand people will willingly ignore all of the nuance, acknowledged societal predjudices, and the man's own actions and statements pertaining to the case long after any public persuasion would be possible and still just go with what the racist institution decided. In a society where to this day Brock Turner's and Bill Cosby's and other rapist who don't get away unscathed get slaps on the wrist, no one finds it suspect at all that the richest and most famous American Black man in the world in his prime was jailed for 5 years to set an example? It obviously wasn't a sentence declaring that rape would no longer be overlooked or tolerated. Definitely wasn't the state showing they now cared about or were wanting to protect black women. It was White supremacists as always showing the black community no matter where we think we can ascend to they can strip it away at any moment.

Amen. I went through my own share of abuse and turmoil as an adolescent, then teen growing up in the gang life, And all I have to say is there but for the grace of God go I. 🙏

Or maybe he didn’t do it. I know it’s hard for you victims to see but some women actually lie about this topic

@@BurnerBoy-mw7txA forensic expert testified that the physical evidence showed she was raped, Tyson has been accused of rape/sexual assault by numerous other women (including Bill Cosby’s daughter), he tried to flee the state after she left his room despite it being like 3am, multiple witnesses testified she was traumatised afterwards. If that’s not enough evidence for him being guilty what would be?

​@@BurnerBoy-mw7tx Mike himself has admitted to some of his abuse accusations. It's been proven in court as well. Obviously sure some people lie, but if you look into it most times even real victims aren't able to prove anything in court and it goes no where. There is not an epidemic of SA victims who are liars, it's an exception to the rule throughout 1000s of years.

I agree but also it's complicated, emotions are messy things and we can only do what's best for our own sanity. If a former abuser genuinely wants to change, that's great (and I always believe we have to look at the root cause of what makes abusers in the first place, not every abuser is born that way) but I'd never in a million years ask a victim to be part of that nor would I expect them to be okay with it.

@@BurnerBoy-mw7tx It's actually not hard for victims to see that, in fact no one hates the people who lie about abuse more than actual abuse victims. Sure some of them might be blinded by their own experiences, but in my experience a lot of victims are actually very sensitive and good at picking out when someone is being dishonest about these things. In the case of Tyson he definitely did bad things, he admitted to that himself though he never said exactly what. I personally don't think he did what he was jailed for, but he definitely had some flaws that extended to the way he treated/viewed women.

I feel this way with a lot of marginalized people groups. It’s frustrating to think about the thousands even millions of minds lost because they were forced to serve in a role that better suited a dominant society’s needs and never able to truly maximize their potential.

@@professorx4966 I think Stephen Jay Gould put it pretty well: "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops."

He was a very quick witted and intelligent guy undoubtedly, but he doesn't get the platform he did to share that with the world without his once in a century physical gifts.

Mike is very very intelligent. Just search on youtube what werner herzog says about mike's intelligence. They didn't discuss boxing or life, they discussed roman republic, pippen the short, machiavelli among other things. Werner said that mike is one of the most knowledgeable person about frankish kings he has ever met.

My sentiments exactly. Imma rewatch tho 👀🤣

I didn't realize it until the "Baby Boy" future video reference. I was like "Someday? I just watched that video!"

lmao me too. i was like "wait there's even more?!"

dude me too

Same same same when I saw it I was so excited… all the love and effort that went into this makes it worth keeping it on the channel. Thank you for uploading it again, I’ve probably seen it like 5 times 🧡🧡🧡🪶

I think your last line hits the nail, at least from a victim POV, one should be safe knowing that the perpetrator can't hurt anyone like that ever again, the how to is a detail that as a society we can't expect victims to chose in an unbiased way because it's just really a tall order, I believe in rehabilitation (to a point) and if not, a life sentence, you just can't have people like that runing around without at least a path for them to change. This shit was easier when we were just animals that could kick someone out of the pack if they did something this shitty, closest thing we have nowdays is jail for life, but it ain't the same.

You are not defined by one action. As humans we are capable of doing incredibly good things and evil things. Not saying you have to forgive him. I think forgiveness is optional. Still he is not defined solely by his failures.

@@rances4418 my opinion has changed slightly since I wrote that post but my realistic attitude is still there. If consequences eventually abate, it works to normalize SA and DV. It makes it more likely and more acceptable that it not only will occur more frequently but also that perpetrators will face no consequences. There’s already very few consequences for perpetrators currently. Reducing the amount of public backlash they face will not contribute to rehabilitating them. But it also might contribute to making them more bitter, angry and their feeling of justification or entitlement might increase. I’ve witnessed many abusers develop martyr syndrome. There’s no real good option in these circumstances. The best option starts with education and upbringing. So that acts like these happen with less frequency.

Come on, his conviction was a gold diggers scam, most folks saw that

@@tesmith47 a CONVICTION is decided by a judge and jury based on sufficient evidence that the convicted person committed a crime.

Not only is he wrestling a tiger, but he is also the tiger’s closest companion. As in, he had a TIGER AS A PET

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Your mistakes don’t define you unless they are repeated. Continuous offenses without remorse or self reflection is what displays our true character.

@@ChiefChokeAHoe that may be true (I think it is), but it's really important to remember that people still have to live with the consequences of his actions. There's a balance between understanding the pain and trauma that caused somebody like Mike to hurt others, and understanding the pain inflicted.

@@ChiefChokeAHoethis is quite frankly so easy to say this when you are not the victim who is forever armed “It’s just one action it doesn’t define you” is one of the biggest cope an abuser will ever have. He just did it “only one time and didn’t do it again” Rubbish

George Foreman and Sonny Liston

Tyson was himself a rape victim, he did his time and destroyed himself many times over how much more should he suffer?

It would help so much if Tyson would just admit it.

​​@@MarilynMalkovichxcept he didn't do it

racial bias makes it easy to view Mike Tyson the big strong black man as a rpist, it's so easy to fall into that type of thinking for who's fails to check their own racism

Fuck success, then

And a lot of other peoples' too, apparently.

I was born in dec 2001 and I've heard a lot more, just from older people tho

same

You forgot sexually abused as a child.

Wouldn't compare him to Nietzsche but you're right.

nah he was monstrous as a teen. particularly a late teen. he almost got shot by Atlas as a new teen for some sexual shit as well. by the time a man gets to his adult phase, if he has enough entitlement... he is already controlling and manipulating people around him at that point.