Okay.. so again.. I am going to be doing the pantheon event on stream with exclusive twitch drops in a Bungie sponsored event (I DON'T KNOW HOW EITHER PLEASE DON'T ASK LMAO)! So it would be sick if everyone came by, it's every tuesday for the next 5 weeks.. Yeah.. thanks for all the love you guys show on videos as it it, thank you thank you!

Bungie just went "blind man with Alzheimer's forgets he is blind is able to see again"

The destiny community doesn’t always agree, but everyone unanimously agrees that the DCV was the worst thing to happen to the game.

Christmas. I got Destiny 2 for Christmas. I played Destiny 1 with friends before, and my family knew it was something I liked. I didn't want to buy Destiny 2 for myself because I was in high school and didn't have an income. My parents got Destiny 2 as a gift, and watched me play the Red War campaign Christmas day. They were never interested in my gaming hobby before. Going Lightless to Guardian again was a good memory, and I did it with my family. Later, I fell away from Destiny for Fortnite with friends. Then, I learned Red War was "Sunset." Just a fancy word for deleting something I thought I had on my shelf. I vowed to never return to Destiny because it was no longer something I could share with people I cared about. I like to share cool experiences with my younger siblings. I couldn't stand the fomo. For some reason, I've never unsubscribed from Destiny creators. I've always loved the world and it's gameplay potential. Following the hype for Final Shape has got me tempted to step back in after years away. Evan, I love your content. From my perspective, sunsetting is THE reason I never returned to playing Destiny. I kinda expected you to flame Bungie more in this video. If you made it this far, thanks for reading my thoughts lol.

If nothing related to the story was ever removed, we'd have a god tier game and a better experience for new players

I would probably say that sunseting is the most thing that terrifies me when I play destiny in mostly anything

Not only do I think that they should bring all the dcv content back. But I think all of the d1 campaign should be in d2 legends tab to be played in legend difficulty.

I still to this day think the DCV could have been completely avoided. Imagine if they took a "Call of duty" style route with it. You wanna play just multiplayer and don't touch zombies? Just don't install zombies. Don't play multiplayer either but like warzone? So only install warzone. Take that concept and apply it too the DLC for Destiny. You beat the Red war, and Forsaken and don't need to play those store lines rn? Uninstall them. Got everything in the leviathan? Unistall it. Want too re-experience Forsaken with a friend? Re-install it. Make it the players choice when they wanna access what they purchased.

Sunsetting gear vs content such as campaigns and raids that we paid for is a distinction that needs to be made. At least with Disney if you bought the movie you could watch it as much as you want because you BOUGHT IT! I’ve never before paid so much to rent a video game that I thought I was buying not renting.

Sun setting was the worst thing to happen. IMAGINE THE RED WAR STORY WITH STRAND AND TELL ME we wouldn't shit on literally everything

i feel like with no story you feel like a guardian while with the story you feel like THE guardian

"lost in time, like tears in the rain" i love you evan

As a D1 player who got the game around the rise of irons release, I remember really getting into the game because of the fact that all the main campaigns were still a part of the game. I had the ability to learn and play through the WHOLE story and grow connected to the characters and plot. Your thoughts on the fact that the story for us vetrans is almost 6 years old, but complelty brand new to new players really opened my eyes when considering how I started this Destiny jorney so long ago. If we don't give new players context for the story, visual and gameplay scenarios that they themselves experience, and build up to later events in the game, Destiny as a franchise loses context, losses meaning, and looses players.

I have never been more relieved that I kept all my “sunset” gear in the vault and have not dismantled any of the weapons when bungie announced that they’re reversing sunsetting 😁

To this date the storage excuse is still not valid just put the other area as dlc that you can choose to have installed or not. Put all the armor and weapons on the base game instal and the destination on dlc that you can always choose to keep or not

another evening, another Evanf vid to be consumed

DCV. You took my Forsaken from me...

I have 4 guns I am so attached to I cannot without, but 3 of these were sunset and I deleted them (RIP) Bygones, Threat Level and Misfit were such good feeling weapons to me, at least I still have my Seventh Seraph SI-2. At least one survived the purge I started in Shadowkeep as a F2P, I saw the downfall of the F2P Players first hand

Amazing video, as always!

2nd comment. I like how you mentioned "bungie didnt know how attached we were to our loot" Which is funny cause in the live action trailer/ad with cayde explaining how the cabak took from us specifically the "loot theyve taken from us"

I wonder does that mean the only truly never escaped unsettling fusion rifle, pocket infinity, shall return

another banger video evanf

Haven’t listened to Outcast of the Sulphurous Sea (second song) in a long time. I like your usage of it here.

Imma be honest, maybe Bungie needs to make a side game that contains the sunset campaigns that is singleplayer only with premade characters you can choose from, a hunter, titan or warlock kind of like a halo campaign.

I feel sorry for Line in the Sand, a season of dawn linear fusion that was one season away from being one of the most meta weapons before being sunset. Now its coming back and linears are far from meta.

I honestly think a much better way to handle sunsetting would've been to create an activity/difficulty modifier for seasonal-only weapons. It would make creating builds for those endgame activities much more interesting, while still allowing you to freely use & keep your favorite weapons in normal play.

Now, if Bungie would just unsunset all of the content they stole from us, yes even the seasonal content, then I would be compelled to come back. That's a lot of money that Bungie was able to make off and laugh in my face and the faces of its players.

That intro was HYPE! I can't wait to watch. Anyways I will leave my usual essay of a comment later when I get off work lol.

damn Evan you are quick with your topics

D1 Taken King was the best DLC ever. Wrath of the Machine was the most fun raid ever.

Good luck in the pantheon man. Exciting

The idea of the DSV killed the game for me for a long time. I came back recently after seeing the final shape but the idea that the content and quests I have can just be removed still hurts

I finally did a vault cleaning about a week before bungie announced this. I deleted some of my favorite weapons because why would I need them anymore? :(

Love the Skeletor sound fx when bringing up deleted content 😂

I'd love to see some sort of legacy tab that had a playlist of missions from seasons past that were good. each mission would have a lootpool of the best weapons from that season, that the community thoroughly enjoyed. That way players like me who started recently in terms of expansions can see exactly what we missed.

Spire was nearly unplayable before sunset. The ship destruction mechanic was broken. ):

I cried the day the Leviathan raid was vaulted. Not because I liked the raid, only beat it once, but because it was my favorite spot to go masterwork exotic catalyst. I would just say in the key room and kill wave after wave of mobs. Was my favorite place, never had to worry about other players taking my kill since I would dive in solo.

Good luck man

Lets go evan!!!

I came back to the game in August after being away for 5 years, excited to replay Red War/Osiris/Warmind/Forsaken, only to find that it was ALL GONE. I hadnt kept up with the game, so I had no idea

25:05 ULTRAKILL OST JUMPSCARE🗣‼️🔥🔥

YOOOO?!?!!?! I hear Calamity Mod OST!!! Good shit Evan! 🤘

It only took historically low pre sales & a near sony takeover for them to give in

32:27 is that Liyue song from Genshin Impact? For a second i was confused to hear this song while you were talking about D2 😅

Evan using the terraria calamity mod desert scourge boss theme song!?!? That’s a throw back

I'm very happy for everyone who still has their sunset stuff in their vault. I very sad I don't have my old weapons anymore.

Ngl I zoned out while playing destiny and listening to this and that clip about the cruise ship had me thinking the video changed lmfao

It hurts my soul that new players will never be able to experience the red war. Specifically some of the musical moments like when your guardian lost his light and was retreating from the tower. The song “Journey” that plays is gorgeous and it’s a crime new players won’t experience that moment

Last I heard, they actually did a massive Engine overhaul. Plus you got to think of it like this. They probably have newer and better ways to code than they did in the beginning. Think of it like setting cables for your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare to recable everything after you’ve glued it in

First Song is M.O.O.N - Dust its really good

Bungie could implement a Halo MCC download select system for D2, that could get around the "storage issues"

Lets go. Time for my Prototype Black Armory set again

The questions I was asking when I came back were: Who is Shaw Han? Where's Omnigul? Who's Navota? Who's this giant cabal we became friends with? Where's the Red War campaign?

Ngl? I think they have done a pretty good job of handling loot without requiring sunsetting. New perks that are better than older ones or introduce a new way to achieve a type of damage (DM vs Sword Logic, Rampage vs Killing Tally) And power restricted content prevents power creep in the content that it matters most in.

I agree it should be an option to download which raid you wanna hop into . Ex: if I wanna play VOG I’d select it and restart the game which would uninstall the previous raid I was doing and download VOG. Every raid id hover over would tell me how many downloads that raid has so I can assume if I can get in a fire time quickly or I’ll need to have the patience for. Also old previous content story missions should be shortened or summed up to a couple of missions.

Ultrakill ost included

I'm sorry but people/bungie blaming older consoles for the DCV is a blatant lie and needs to stop. They say it was a storage problem ok well what storage problem because Destiny 2 before DCV happened was around 100GB+ in storage size and for example a PS4 has 500GB internal storage and can have upto 2TB with an external drive. So even if you added the DCV size to the current size of around 112.8GB you would still have lots of room and thats not even taking into account that update override files and don't always add to storage. Bungie just took the cheaper root of removing Old stuff so they wouldn't have to pay for more work. Also many games on PS4 are way larger than Destiny 2.

Aquatic Scourge background music is peak

Dunno if this is a hot take or not, but I miss the Tangled Shore...

Sunsetting & The DCV = why I quit Destiny 2. Putting all the weapons back in the pool now makes sense because the game is almost done, they might as well let it all go. Now just bring back all the old levels, strikes, gambit maps, crucible maps, etc. and I might even consider coming back.

I honestly keep forgetting crafted weapons are a thing. I only use my BXR and what ever the shotguns name is because the BXR is a homage to Halo and the shotguns reload is fun.

YO THATS DUST BY MOON this song slaps bro

The biggest reason and difference between sunsetting in diablo or watcraft… you don’t really USE the weapon. Or as popularly referred to as stat sticks, the player doesn’t actually use the weapons, so the weapon is gonna operate the same no matter what, due to a lack of personal direct control. Which is why Destiny has a more extreme extensive response, you are the guardian, you assemble your kit to your specs, control and direct you space magic. You pick and choose the weapons that will define you. And those weapons can be marked by us for their performance and reliability.

Still won't be happy with bungie until all content from the dcv comes back. Raids, planets, stories..

Is that a Destiny VIDEO WITH HOTLINE MIAMI MUSIC

My Foggy Notion and I are shaking with excitement until the day we reunite

I played the most during the fatebringer, spindle, gally meta. I chased more loot than ever. It was so fun and satisfying that I couldn't get enough. I was upset when they needed everything in D1. I quit playing when they transitioned to D2. Why would I play so much and try so hard just to have things made obsolete or non-existent. Haven't played in years. I just come here because I'm still interested in the story

I feel like they could have added a ladder system where certain weapons are capped a certain powers and in order to get further into the power grind you should reach one threshold to access all the other new “unsunset” weapons before they reach their cap “, rinse and repeat. Also crafting should just remove enhanced perks

I regret deleting my Perfect Paradox.

😘 keep up the good work bro

I honestly think bungie should try implementing a system where you can choose what content is installed, so you could for instance have a red war pack with two parts, the campaign, and the raid. Then players can choose what packs they want and if they want both the campaigns and raids of a pack or both. Obviously weapons, Armour, currencies and so on would stay regardless as well as things like strikes and pvp maps but it would allow players to choose what they want to keep whilst allowing bungie to keep the game small for most players. Heck they could even have packs for things like dares of eternity and seasons. Before anyone says it, I know this is most likely impossible to implement for one reason or another I just believe it would be worth it

Funny thing about this is that i actually farmed Year 2 weapons in D1 again.

I don’t know why Bungie doesn’t do a weekly rotational system for seasonal activities based on the year. Do Black Armory, Reckoning, and the Menagerie for a Forsaken year. And have them rotate once a week. That way it gives players a way to chase for their favorite weapons

It's honestly absurd what they have gotten away and still get away with. In Terms of content quality , length, monetization models ... I just started playing again and I can't buy just one season except the latest one without buying the annual pass. Dungeon passes... Ugh ... Biggest current love hate relationship in my life

one of the best videos of the last few months, if not years. I can only confirm everything and you are doing a good job, critical, constructively critical, but never toxic. So much has been packed into the DCV and we're all just coming to terms with it, but that's wrong. Bungie should find technical ways to give purchased content such as DLCs back to anyone who buys it. Seasons are temporary, but you can think about that too. And the worst thing was removing a main campaign in D2, the worst. The speaker dies and so there is deep lore that continues to this day but new players will never understand. That's why the player count will only increase with releases and then immediately decrease because the overall concept is absolute crap.💜

millions of people quit over this one decision.

Covid is really when i poured the most time into D2, Lots of us were really figuring out how to navigate how to treat each other properly during the confusion. I'll never forget being able to disconnect from the world for those 2 years. Work, Destiny 2, sleep. It almost felt like i WAS a guardian. As unfortunate that time was for humanity, being the isolationist I am, it created a world I felt comfortable to live in, when the real world wasn't. ps.. funny guns, made me feel like a god, and that was arguably the best weekend of my life.

This is a side of Destiny we may see soon again!

i miss titan and mars so damn much

I got my gf into destiny 2 recently and it sucks she can’t play the free campaigns to understand the game a bit better and fall in love with the game the same way I did. It’s hard to get new players to stay nowadays

are the old raids coming back

New Light here. I feel so on the fence about continuing in Destiny, not because new things might be sunset, but because I just straight up don’t know most of what happened up to this point.

35:09 Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.

That borderlands 3 jump scared got me 😅

Evan, have you been playing calamity mod?

Rest in peace my perfect paradox I should have never left you 😓

I played red wars then stopped. Tried playing it this last weekend but couldn’t get past loading screen

I have friends who want to play but would love if all the content was playable back from Redwar but probably will never touch d2 now since its gone in the void forever

I will never forgive them for sunsetting the Titan destination. I loved to go there a patrol around in my spare time, when I wanted to play the game and not grind anything.

Anyone who has collected and played the new RECLUSE or MOUNTAINTOP now know that just having 34:37 returning guns fixes all. The Recluse we got sux. Best thing about the MT is that I can go really high. Sad state of affairs!

One huge problem with weapons in Destiny is how the community sees them, most will use what is Meta, which for PvP is understandable, but in PvE, there is no true Meta, you can beat EVERY piece of PvE content with any weapon & any roll, but that's not my point, my point is that weapons in Destiny have a 'feel' that I personally have never experienced in any game outside of Destiny, and that 'feel' can make a total garbage weapon in one person's hands, an absolute monster in someone else's. Sound effects help a lot too, 'Word of Crota' sounds so HEAVY that I can't help but love it. People are so worried about "What's Meta" that they won't try anything else, that's one reason I love crafting, I make it a point to use every crafted weapon till it's level 30(personal choice), but as that number is a little crazy high, I'd recommend leveling them till you have access to your desired perks, then using it to whatever level the enhanced version is unlocked at, so you actually get a feel for it, there are some weapons I've learned to really enjoy that I wouldn't have before, my prime example being Subjunctive, the origin trait is okay at best on the other weapons, but on that SMG it's actually kinda nuts, though SMGs DO need a buff in PvE, it only really feels good when 'One for all' is active.

33:00 Am I the only one hearing Rapid as Wildfire from Genshin?

Bungie needs to let the customers make the choice of how committed they are to destiny . If they want to fill the pc with 300 gbs let us . If destiny is the only game that occupies our system how is that a bad thing lol

It doesn't help that they NEVER ACTUALLY VAULTED. Maps that were the reason they "had" to vault remained in the game and accessible by oob'ing, so they ate data storage but we lacked the ability to play. And then "sunset" gear was either never sunset (raids) or perma-sunset (seasons) so there was no replayability.

Shortened: Cool weapons gone, fun activities gone.

17:23 😂

How can you forget when the most used words at the time was "sunset luke Smith" good times

One of these reasons i told myself to lock my No Turning Back.

They were selling the forsaken dlc for full price a day b4 it was vaulted. Disgusting and a absolutely embarrassing slap to the face to the consumer

Just now started watching the video but I will go ahead and say this since I am a firm believer in it: sunsetting and the Destiny Convent Vault are the worst things to ever happen to this game, period. Sunsetting almost killed the game outright. Content vaulting continues to damage the game by having a terrible new player experience. This is why I do not like Luke Smith as a game director because both of these decisions were under his watch. Bungie has all but outright admitted that they were wrong with sunsetting with the complete reversal now. My sincere hope is that they put the vaulted content back in the game. Red War might have been a mediocre campaign by Witch Queen standards, but it does a substantially better job compared to New Light at giving people a reason to care about things happening right in front of them. Whatever the lifecycle of Destiny 2 is, I want it to end in a complete state. It sucks that parts of the game are straight-up lost to history. --- Edit: Now that I have watched the video, I full disagree on the negative stance of weapon crafting. There are two factions of players in this game. The players who enjoy RNG (gambling addicts come to mind), and those who want their time spent in the game to be respected. Crafting was badly needed as the RNG in this game is incredibly unforgiving no matter what Bungie does. More drops, more perks per columns, people begging to re-roll masterworks or perks, whatever. As long as there is no way to guarantee a roll over a fixed period of time or after a certain number of attempts, or no ability to trade, basic lever-pull RNG will eventually burn people out. You cannot have a game focused on build crafting where you cannot build craft the weapons. That is just silly. This new BRAVE arsenal stuff is a good example of it. Very nice weapons, but all RNG. Even with attunement, the RNG is still bad. Bungie keeps increasing the number of traits available in a column, which makes it harder and harder to get a roll. Guns used to have 6 traits max per column. Now it is 7, 8, sometimes even more. Increasing the number of drops does not move the needle. I would much better prefer a system where I can just get the roll I want after not getting it after X number of attempts. Another thing on RNG drops: imagine you finally get the traits you want. What is the rest of the gun is bad? A bad set of barrel and magazine perks can ruin the feel of a weapon. Imagine if weapon enhancement allowed customization of RNG drops. I think this could be a real middle ground between crafting and RNG. People still have to get lucky enough to get the trait combination to drop, but after that, they can tweak the gun.