Yeah Nyanners doesn't like people talking about this even tho she apparently moved on from it lol

Funny how KZfaq never surprises content creators by monetizing a video.

>.< YooToob hates pink cats.

I'm assuming mass reporting from people who hate Nyanners.

I just spent like 45 seconds laughing at the first reply being "yeah Nyanners did it lmaoooo" and the next post going "oh yeah people who hate Nyanners did it" Gotta love the vtuber community.

She was a Displayed and Twitch Egirl at one point too Her streaming dressed as Rem is a popular video

Cosplayer ...autocorrect went brrrr and made it displayed 😒

I guess you were there before time.

What the hell is /a/

I knew her from her spooky scary skeleton days

That sort of implies that 4chan isn't where most vtubers are forged.

Chinchin

​@Sc00000ps all good lads an lasses dip their toes in the chans

@@No_1Special1 Because that isn't the case. Also, are we forgetting that Nyanners isn't a VTuber? She existed way before VTubers were even a thought.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@dylives7667it's (mostly) a joke

That's what she said and why it's a blooper.

36:26 around here if people are wondering

can you blame her tho? although alot of people dislike her from her decisions doxxing her and then desecrating her sister's grave is a no from me dude that's beyond messed up.

@@GodofKillers121 Yeah I had to pause when I heard the bit about the grave-- what the actual fuck???

​@@niffrysome people are just sick

Yeah but you end up losing it when you do something really fuck...Nyanners did that,I am not saying she should by burn alive (because she docent) but she should take accountability from it,and no she has not,she literally still uses her loli tone and loli looking caracters

Being someone who was active since the early days of Newgrounds, I agree.

She's not a pioneer of internet culture, she was new to internet culture that had been thriving for decades. She just engaged in it and made silly videos, she didn't actually create much.

​​@@networknomad5600nah that's a dumb take. She may have been just as steeped in internet culture as literally everyone else using 4chan back when, but she also wanted to be really extroverted about it - which is not inherently antithetical to the site but was absolutely NOT the norm. In deciding to be extroverted about it she became an author as well rather than just another newt gingrich

Can you give me any examples of videos she took down for this reason?

@@mewhentheumuhtheuh after re reading your comment and actually understanding what you were asking I realized I can't even if I wanted to prove she removed specific videos for that specific reason.

​@@MrBlazGuy Yeah there are a lot of videos from the early days of her channel's existence that haven't been archived and are essentially lost to time. (especially in the first year or so) There also might be some videos from her first channel (Nyanloevsbagels) that weren't reuploaded to any other channels, that became permanently lost when that channel was taken down

@@mewhentheumuhtheuh you've really put a lot of thought into how you could find those lost videos of a minor dubbing loli hentai haven't you?

Yeah I feel like Rima left a lot out about Nyanners actively trying to appeal to the audience that eventually did all those horrible things and instead characterizes her as some innocent bean who made a loli song and attracted the wrong audience

shouldn't it be the opposite considering her popularity?

@@illyaeater Unless you want to be doxed by someone, have your dead sister pulled from her grave, death threats sent to you, among other things. No

​@@MrJogt did the 2nd thing actually happen? cuz the other 2 happen to rich people pretty often

@@illyaeater Check 7:49

But that is probably how she got famous and made her who she is today.

I think there's a couple reasons. The first is they all got better and more professional mics and second, I think talking into a mic everyday for hours on end naturally lowers your voice. I've noticed the same effect with radio hosts. Edit: I'll add a third reason and that is better projection through confidence from experience.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Lark88yep all three are very much a thing. and it 100% isn't just live streamers. the first year or two are when that change is most pronounced. after that, it doesn't change as much. you also see it with some customer service positions, like call center workers. and of course, extremely chatty extroverts just go through that drop early bc they talk so much.

@@Lark88I always thought it was because they got more relaxed/comfortable with revealing more of their true self. Putting on a cute voice in the beginning then that voice sounding more natural later on in common for vtubers. A good example being Snuffy

I have heard a few vtubers talk about the early days of vtubing popularity. It was still new and fresh and there was the perception that part of the magic was playing up the anime-ness and being a character. As time goes on, most vtubers move into the more comfortable area of just being themselves, more than putting on a performance. Maybe you find this fakey, but we see it all the time elsewhere. People definitely have a different way of speaking in public/private. There's KZfaqr voice, news anchor voice, radio voice, public speaking voice. It's all part of that performance specific to the environment, and just remember that vtubing is always on some level a type of performance

That's global warming for you, it's increasing air density.

Yeah and they remained silent till he said anything. They where originally even fine with all of his videos about that topic.

Nyanner's whole rant about how it would "endanger the other girls" is so moronic I'm astonished people actually believed that.

Yeah what they said of what Nux should have done, that should have been THEM from the start. How people should be wary of scam emails and the like. IDK why they put all that on Nux when it’s their company’s name being used in this.

Instead the held auditions during this time (back then the time period of their investigation on their side lined up with part of time.period where they were holding auditions) which could have put other vtubers applying to them in danger

@@lyravain6304 She got swatted during stream a few weeks before.

@@Noxis07 It baffles me how you being aware of Joji's face reveal video , you still can't comprehend the reason why Filthy Frank had to end. He didn't got bored of it. The Alter Ego compromised his health. On top of that, Filthy Frank never got monetized. And the fact that The Adpocalypses were around the corner by the time The "Fake Frank" Arc began, didn't help either. He had a choice to make. The easiest of his whole life. Filthy Frank's end was inevitable. Nothing lasts.

​@@dylives7667 I can do without the snark you know.. I'll give you the fact I failed to mention the face reveal video and health issues. At the end of the day, he left the persona behind for numerous reasons. The point I'm trying to make is he had the decency to not burn bridges with the FF fans, even after they shit he had to deal with when he broke character to reveal the status of his health. Joji was thankful to the FF fans that supported him up until the retirement of the character. If nothing else, it inspired loyal fans to follow him into his Joji career.

Yea most fans hate it when you do that because it feels disingenuous or it feels like a backstab.

@@Noxis07 And it only took you yet another wall of text to fix it. Fascinating.

@@dylives7667 Pot calling the kettle black

not like youtube takes action defending ppl that gain them money

They also constantly remove comments

I mean, if they did or could, they probably would have done it for KZfaq rewind so it doesn't get the record for literally being the most disliked KZfaq video in history. Botting protection is the more reasonable explanation, as this (= creating a distributed botnet that creates YT accounts and sends dislike web requests) is what haters often (try to) do if they disagree with a video.

KZfaq doesn't intentionally remove dislikes unless you're Joe Biden's White House, in which case they'll just remove the whole dislike feature.

@@Blex_040 They don't really care about the rewind all that much. They do censor Superchats and comments constantly because context never matters and no one is allowed to have grownup conversations ever. I got banned once from leaving comments anywhere for a day because I used the "f word." They'll remove or demonetize whole videos for being "advertiser unfriendly," but will still put ads before, during, and/or after the video and just not have to share the revenue. Some people claim to constantly get unsubscribed to channels. I've never once had it happen to me, but they did force subscribe me to that girl living *In a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!* (Rip Chris Farley) They could easily remove dislikes and claim they were removing botted dislikes if they wanted to. I mean, they removed the whole feature because Joe Biden and his people couldn't put a video out on the white house channel without it getting massively disliked The Disney Star Wars channel also got massively disliked.

Really that’s great and a very accurate statement about Biden.

Wow

But if I think while socializing, then I don't enjoy it.

Well, she should have been clearer in her statements. But unfornatunally that were her tumblr years and we all know how brainrotten tumblr is (even compared to 4chan). She should have just said: "I don't have a problem with lolis or with people who admire 2D characters - but there are people who use the term lolicon and in reality want to fuck real kids. And I hate those people." I guess even most of 4chan would have understand that, because most of them (unlike twitter antis) at least understand the difference between fiction and reality, between cute 2D girls and 3D girls.

I have and I don't regret the bridges I burned. Too many toxic people I was involved with that probably would've sent me to an early grave due to severe stress if I had stayed with them.

@@anthonydeadman If there was a good reason that would be it.

I think the reason for that is Rima's vid are usually going over the history of things while trying her best not to start a hate brigade. Plus there can be personal biases but still this vid doesn't exactly paint her as a saint either

@@MelonWaterMelon777 Except when she rushed to talk about Rushia with no evidence. That was purely to fan a hate brigade for views.

And this is exactly why people hate her, me included. Despite the stance she claimed, the hypocritical malicious troll is still within her.

Maybe she went after you for personal reasons. She doesn't feel to me as being the most mentally stable person (not at all), so maybe she felt attacked by you - with only a small maybe, when you see her actions afterwards. From what she wrote later it seems as if she was really trying to get a cute boyfriend, while being too much of an autist (which explains her 4chan years and also later stuff) to see through the lies that many of those that tried to get to her threw at her. I would even say, that she became the most stable mentally since she dates the Lord, he seems to be a person that is able to stabilize her mentality.

yeah i may disagree with your take, but there's literally no good reason to go ballistic over that...

@@acmenipponairmental illness leads people to do some pretty zany things sometimes... also part of why i have yet to completely write her off. (i'm also the one who actually forgave multiple people for literally trying to murder me in elementary, so...)

I was there when this happened. And you were not the only person she did this to. She showed early on that she is just your average highschool meangirl bully, who happened to discover the internet and realized she could farm tons of free attention from lonely boys there. I was one of them when I was young.

Also fym it's subjective if her model is a loli lmao, it obviously is: small with no boobs.

When recording this episode, Rima was livestreaming. She showed a few vtubers and asked her chat, "Is this a loli?" When she came to Nyanners, chat looked to be equally divided with yes and no.

​@@lordzaboem chat is also live, disorganized, and dumb

I think it’s sexualizing it that she finds disgusting, not the existence of it.

Yeah, after the incident nux became nothing but a hypocrite in my eyes

She built her career on the lolicon content, and even still played into it with her model only until recently. She wanted to profit off it without getting the backlash.

Whats sad about the nux thing is at the time he stopped his fans from going after vshojo which could have crippled them at the time I believe. Especially since his fan base also includes Charlie's and lost pauses and mutas to an extent. How ever that whole even sort of soured him and he became very jaded. Plus people either love him or hate him l, not to many people seem to want to just chill with him and his brand of humor does not seem to do him favors in that area. On the bright side I have been enjoying him reacting to lore videos on different franchise. It's a return to form. Honestly I wish he'd stuck to that instead of branching out into vtubing because while it started well, it feels like it caused him to much pain. I wish he'd stuck to anime talks and topics. Maybe it'd have been better for his mentality and emotions in the long run to avoid vtubing.

​@@Tahu33446Nux has moved away from associating with vtubers except the very few that are associated with a project Moistcritikal created and the indie vtubers that don't associate with people that fucked him over, and now makes content more with creators like Mutahar and Oompaville. The "drama" he had with Revsaysdesu showed his opinions and his 7 levels of satire humor and his few comments made when reacting to the SSSniper Wolf drama shows how justified his content. To be fair, in both responses to each drama he made some fair points and understood that his opinions conflict into this hypocrisy. Things have changed in his life for better or for worse. During a video learning about Star Wars lore, he said he was born in 1996 and is 28 years old. I started watching his content in 2020, during the pandemic, when I started watching more anime, he was 24ish and I was 15. In some ways I can understand why the path he's taken has made him this jaded. It's sad what putting trust in people that don't truly care about do to you. Nux is sad case of what happens when that type of situation sours your look on life so much, you begin to hate everything, since you can't even trust your "fans" to not slander you. I'm happy he has a wife, and hope he never gets doxxed or swatted again. But to him, he both loves and resents the internet equally. The internet is a circus he tunes into, since it is creative and emotional outlet. I could keep rambling on and on, but I can never truly hate him, because as hypocritical he may be, he was a creator that helped develop my interests in anime and KZfaq especially the commentary community. Disappointed, a bit, but his character keeps me watching. Hell he keeps me talking in this situation about him, because of the situations I've been through watching him. I'm doing college now, trying for both a major in music and business, trying to get into the music business, but also be an entrepreneur. DanTDM, SML, and ZackScottGames, and AnimeBroMii, may he burn in hell, were the first TouTubers I watched, but from 2017 to now, I think I am more attached chronically to KZfaq than other parts of my life. I'm trying to change that, which is why I'm going to college, because I'm trying to figure myself out. I need to stop talking now, because this reply is long and is taking way too much of my time. Do you consider yourself a Billy? Well I do, one of last generations I'm afraid, and as always stay weird fam.

@@S.B.C-Pixi I see your point, and even through ALL the stuff he said that I disagree with, I don't hate him, it's just right now he's making content *I* don't feel inclined to consume (and his humor feels one note) so I don't watch him often anymore. And a little side note on his LONG reaction videos that I don't watch, I would rather see someone actually experience something (mostly with game lore videos) with their own hands. For TV shows I think the videos are too long, he goes on too many tangents and his one note humor doesn't do it for me anymore. Glad you're on that professional grind, dude, keep it up 👍

real, the day all the vshojo founders are gone is the day i watch vshojo again

@@Skywolfhd20 True, Froot is genuinely awful.

@@networknomad5600 honestly all the founders(i'm not counting hime here) are backstabbing snakes and cannot be trusted

​@@networknomad5600what makes her so awful? I genuinely don't know

I too am curious

Exactly

Yeah, I wasn't aware of her past until the fallout of the Nux situation and it just made me just not like her. I still to this day avoid any stream she guest stars in.

and I don't even like Nux (probably dislike him more than Nyanners), but the handling of that situation really brought out people's character.

Nah, Nux was a pile of trash that ruined a police investigation for his own ego, then cried about it.

Just say you hate her

I mean, she *did* delete the stuff that she had a problem with, and was therefore not making money off that. Are you referring to her Vtuber model looking young? Because that’s the only thing that’s really gotten close to her continuing to make money off of the Loli stuff, and even that’s debatable, design wise. I feel like you might be overstating just how much she benefited from loli stuff after disowning it. Both in terms of monetary and recognition value. Especially with all the negative attention around it. Help me see where you’re coming from, how she continued to profit off the degenerate stuff. Do you just mean her making sex jokes as an anime girl? Or specifically because of her design?

@@Penultimeat Did you miss the part where she collaborated with kizuna ai, who as showed in the video, were discussing lolicon content happily? That is her literally profiting off it. If she was truly so against it, when wouldnt have done the collab when she heard they were self proclaimed lolicons, but she turned a blind eye because it was a huge opportunity for her. Absolute hypocrisy...

Oh damn I wasn’t aware we had to personally be aware of every single person’s stance on every single issue at all times. Nyanners probably wouldn’t have been aware of Kizuna’s identifying as a lolicon, I sure as hell didn’t before this very specific clip was shown to me. But then people start telling her, right? But the only people who would be telling her this are people A - Shitting on Kizuna for being a lolicon, or B - Shitting on Nyan for being a hypocrite. Both categories of people want the collab canceled for different reasons, so nobody is happy. Also, Nyanners was quoted in the video stating that it’s okay if people find lolis cute so long as it doesn’t involve porn? It seems like she gave Kizuna the benefit of the doubt. I get why you want to believe there was some grand conspiracy led by a greedy streamer who wanted to ride the wings of clout, but it’s as equally explained by her being just kinda dumb, instead of malicious and greedy.

@@Penultimeat Usually a good content creator will do some research on people they collab with to make sure they will be a good collab partner, they have similar views, or to make sure they don't have any drama that will negatively affect them. You're telling me she didn't look into kizuna at all to see if they might have differing views on that?ESPECIALLY when loli content is considered a non issue on Japan and most Japanese weebs do not mind loli content? Yea no. Considering how hard a stance she took on the loli content, I think it's safe to say she is against it all, not just the NSFW side and that was just a out she said so that she wouldn't be lambasted for her hypocrisy with not liking loli stiff, but collabing with someone who does.

@@luckytanuki5449 It would be extremely easy to miss something like that in the screening process for a prospective collab just because you weren’t looking for it. And if I got a collab request from someone I’ve been a casual fan of my first thought isn’t “hold the phone, maybe this person I admire has values that don’t align with mine.”

Nah, it just shows she fake. People tend to hate dishonesty

Pedo Culture..alright.

No, it's her flakeyness. People tend to not like someone that doesn't stick to their guns, because they stand for nothing and are just wasting everyone's time.

What you both said is covered under what I said. We are all in agreement here.

That my friend is what we call a grifter. A snake willing to change skins on a dime if she think she can both get profit and clout off it.

wait what the hell, when did she say this? I mean I believe she is that kinda person, but I'm surprised this wasn't bigger news nyanners was beefin with pippa lol

@@UBvtuber I remember watching a clip about it long ago when she was still in vshoujo, at the time pippa made a comment about how she used to admire someone a lot that now is a vtuber and how she betrayed her old fans and she felt betrayed too, when someone mentioned a Pink rabbit in nyaners chat she said something like "ah that girl, pick me pippa I think".

Wait, what?!?! When was this?!?

I mean she's not wrong

if those are her true colors, oh noo.. it’s over folks, thats the most evil thing anyone could ever be called.

True

i think most people dislike vshojo because they used to just be twitch thots with anime avatars slapped on. Nyanners is the exception by being /ourgirl/ with trolls remorse

@@ZingoBananaa nah they weren't twitch thots at all that's your weird delusion

@@ZingoBananaa Fair point.

Recent 4Chan Parrot video (VSohjo ex&Nijisanji Rescue Shelter) punchline of Cons of Joining vSohjo= Nothing is Nyanners, Silvervale, Veibae,and Nazuma left 😹 Other then her 10 inch dick she says she doesnt know what to do with when wearing a tiny skirt and a thing (though she's never talked about it in vSohjo) I can't see why people didnt like Silvervale being in vSohjo(its also why Trans was on auto hold that grifters discovered while spamming her chat cause, Like Fianna, she has to occasionally deal with the bullshit of being a "Special Girl" but, unlike Fianna she hasnt alienated her fans by announcing the filter and yelling at her fans to "Educate Yourself" 😹(thus the "1 Fianna" measurement of ccv being born) cause trans jokes offend her personally (I think her SIMPs not knowing was funny as hell,think her statement caused the realization Feesh has junk with only the 300 ccv thinking "even better"😏)

This was indeed a dumb play.

True.

Did I miss something? I don’t know much about her, but it sounds like she just burned bridges with lolicons and harassers?

woman moment

@@skynem5721 Depends on your perspective, sounds like there was enough obsessive and abusive people in the community and she wanted to move away from that environment. Did she do so in the best way? Probably not, thus the video title. This bridge was burnt by both sides tbh, so I don't know if it was possible for a cleaner break without some abusive types freaking out anyway.

if the group descrates her grave over that then the group is subhuman garbage no ?

Ehh, her models could be argued as “flat” more than “loli” IMHO. Mature enough to be seen as clearly adult despite not being well-endowed. Just my $0.02.

​@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 That's a pretty thin line with vtuber models. If she hated it so much she didn't want to be associated with it, you'd think her voice or model would have changed to reflect that. I don't hate Nyanners but it just seems like she's not really being honest with herself about what she does.

@@thomasshepard7891 I think it’s more like she figured out her brain got rotted out by such heavy exposure at a young age, so she accepts it and has adapted. And done her best to move on from it. You can acknowledge who you are while still disliking it 😂

@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 that's cope, and you know it

@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 My guy, stop trying to defend a 40 y/o woman who pretends to be a child online and then complains about those same models all the time. Nyanners is a massive hypocrite who flip-flops on things depending on what will advance her carreer.

She could have avoided a lot of pushback if she didn't literally call her old fans pedophiles. Nobody dunks on filthy frank for leaving his old style, you know why, because he doesn't publicly bash his old content or his fans for enjoying it. He just lets it be, and occasionally even says people are "cultured" for remembering it.

That's a really conveniently jaundiced take on what happened, but sure.

Fair lol, this is the first time I've heard of her since the whole niji dog thing, which I thought was hilarious, so I don't really have much of an opinion on her. I feel bad for her too, that was one of the worst environments to start out in for anyone. I feel like everyone goes through the edgy phase, feels embarrassed about it later and deletes it because that's not you anymore and you just want to delete the cringe. XD

I think this original commenter hits it on the head for me. Growing up on 4Chan is a shitty thing to experience.

indeed, she grew up and matured between the time she did that content and later deleted it. She isnt the first person that, once in their 20's, cringed about what they said or did at age 16 or so.

Yeah. The hug was such an emotional moment for viewers as well because they got to see their friendship develop out of mutual respect and tiptoeing around each other. This was before vshojo was established. The days when they first interacted on stream, they were both equally star-struck, like they couldn't believe they were actually getting to meet their idols. This developed into a close friendship, and finally getting to hug was very meaningful.

They've been talking about doing something. Also, Mouse was in Nyan's chat just the other day cheering on her New Vegas playthrough. I don't think we've seen the last her their collabs.

Now we have new pink cat from Italy. Far superior to this shitbag pink cat.

Way more than just 4chan say that tbh.

​@@Pers0n97If you mean the Nux crowd is not the same thing as 4chan users, I doubt it. My gut tells me there is a huge degree of overlap.

@@lordzaboem Nux is a literal nobody and a cringe-lord that manage to rise to a mediocre level of notoriety thanks to the drama he got with Vshojo. It says a lot that his only noteworthy accomplishment right now is to leech off Muta's pretty cringe podcast, and being an awfully sore-thumb in the middle of it that never contritbute to anything. No, I'm talking about the wider vtuber audience. Pink cat didn't just turn on her very old 4chan crowd, she also turned against basically all her original audience that put her on the map.

It was a light glossing over of it but yeah. She's an opportunistic bully who doesn't care who she has to hurt to get her way.

When people get too loud about pointing out what other people do it is often because they have a secret past, but in the case of Nyanners it was not really a secret.

Walter White is a fictional character though.

@@SmOlEnSk6201 You are not smart enough for metaphors. Begone.

@@williansnobre Irrelevant to the point. She does a bunch of stuff then turns around and calls others criminals for the exact same. Its all fine to start over but you aren't allowed to tar and feather innocent people and be a hypocrite in the process. What does anything you said have to do with that?

If someone goes out and sells meth and then has a “come to Jesus” moment and says “Hey guys I think selling meth might be bad.” I’m gonna judge the guy for selling meth but it doesn’t make him wrong.

I don’t know. The Nux thing aside, the rest can be explained. She doesn’t like sexualizing l*li’s, not l*li’s inherently. This explains the model. And she probably just didn’t see that Kizuna Ai clip. Or it was just overshadowed, because she is Kizuna AI who was one of the first Vtubers. She’s an ai as well, so her opinions aren’t necessarily of the person playing her. She probably just didn’t Nekopara would lewd the characters. Or maybe she thought it’d be okay, since it was just catgirls, which is different than humans, so isn’t exactly the same. But then backed out later when she still was getting grossed out by it.

@@dannysmi7162 You can read it on 9:41 she stated she doesn't like l*licon in general, apart from the argument about l*licon being bad or not, that's pretty much most of her original fanbase. i said Kizuna Ai is a well known l*li lover because it's not just that one clip, there are many times where she said she likes l*li, and it doesn't really matter if it's "kizuna ai" opinion or the person behind her, since Nyanners collab with Kizuna Ai. for the Nekopara, like i said it's very unlikely she doesn't know about it being R18 l*li game, you can go to steam right now and search nekopara, all the tags of the game is R18 and it has l*li catgirls on the cover, how can anyone miss that? and sorry, your "catgirls" arguments don't make sense, it's basically just girls with cat ears and tail.

Idk she probably had a bunch of trauma after all the doxxing about that happened to her. Her sister's grave was defiled, her parent's house phone was called, that also means that they probably had her actual address which would be absolutely terrifying to me. That would fuck anyone up, I think. Trauma and the emotions tied to it aren't exactly easy to get rid of. I wouldn't say it wasn't an overreaction, but I can certainly understand why she reacted the way she did

Everything that happened was his fault. He's a clout chaser who scalps from Vtubers and accused a minor of being the doxxer. Letting the real criminals get away. He's a parasite anituber who doesn't belong in the fandom.

I mean tbh, now they're both lying hypocrites. Nux scrubbed all his edgy and loli shit to suck Mutahar's dick and Nyanners for all the fake troll's remorse shit.

@@dhdragon555 So because of her traumatic doxxing experience she'd rather the fake VSHOJO email situation be private rather than public. So they'll be more victims...? Shouldn't she want to let ppl know there's a fake VSHOJO email going around so the public knows about it?

@@dhdragon555 On that same note though, she was more than fine absolutely condemning Nux with the knowledge it would cause exactly the same treatment to go his way. I can't really make that excuse for her behavior when it's clear she was fine with that treatment being targeted at anyone that's not her. The entire situation could have been handled privately, but she chose to put that energy out there (and let's be realistic, that message to her Discord was always going to get spread around by her fans, no way she didn't know that with all the experience she has dealing with internet drama).

I don't buy it, maybe she really likes Loli stuff, but doesn't do much of it because it's not well liked or understood in the west but then again it just makes her a phoney for not being true to herself and catering to a certain demographic while outscasting the others.

God i hope not

@@suhnih4076 Why do you say that? Anything wrong with her old content?

@bunnyconcubus8468 oh yeah you'll see

@@bunnyconcubus8468 Search "Nyanners moon man"

A 11 year old, and then trolling as a teen, obviously nyanners hasn't learned a thing until later on in life, cuz she's still a kid mentally.

@@dra6o0nyou just said she is female with more words

@@jackieChannel. good one :D welp from my understanding shes trying to spend more and more time offline.

@@jackieChannel. male or female, kids will do anything to get more attention, it's in their nature as kids.

Alot of people are hypocrites. They just don't realize it till a situation smacks them in their face and turn tail.

On regards to the quarter pounder, do you mind elaborating on that because from what I heard, I can't stand that grifter, he's been doing the defense stuff for a while and would like to know if he realizing that supporting drD and his activity makes him seem worse than he already was.

@bunnyconcubus8468 If you begin any conversation with name calling, it would seem that you have already made up your mind, which is perfectly your right. If you are open to having your opinion change, then ok. With that said, he has stated from the beginning that in this day and age of cancel culture it is always wise to hold off on definite judgement until all facts are in. He began off with a staunch defense with the "Incident" being 7 years ago and rumors swirling. He never once defended the act by stating that Doc was a cheater and if rumors are in fact true he would denounce whole heartedly. He spoke that it had already became political (and I don't mean by "Right/Left" politics) only stating that "We don't know all the facts in the case, just conjecture". He continued his defense that people do have a right to have personal growth and make a comeback if the mistake was never repeated (he was referring to in general in this case and not to Doc). As more information came out, he continued to preface with that there was no hard evidence, but it was beginning to appear that it was "Mostly true" and he backed off his defense prefacing that we still do not have all the facts. He is right that we do not know everything. We do know Twitch is known to doing some real shady shit. Throughout all of his videos he would always say that even though it appears that Doc maybe guilty (and consistently stated that if true, then he should lose his sponsors or audience if they choose so), Twitch is not off the hook and should also bare scrutiny. Long story short, regardless of your feeling of the "quarter pounder", as you call him, and his politics, he never once said he is completely innocent and should be punished if this is not a disgruntled ex-twitch employee pushing this narrative for clout (Other emails came out later that suggested that this may be a setup job, but again... these emails are rumors and not confirmed). Is TheQuartering guilty of coping, yes, but he was misrepresented in his views in the video calling him out. Again, Nux wasn't entirely wrong. In most of his videos he does a fairly good job of putting the majority of the context in there. This one was a bit was rushed and I completely understand because if it is true, then punishment NEEDS to be done justly as this type of behavior is unfathomable. That was my entire point, not to defend anyone, just more context. As far as grifters.. this word keeps being used so much that it means nothing anymore. EVERY KZfaqr is a grifter of sorts. If something gets views and therefore money... do more of it. It is not a bad thing unless we are referring to a certain kick guy that like to be sneaky (Sorry bad pun). After all, content creators need to make a living. I tried to formulate my judgement based on all sides by watching their videos as well. Although, I must say, I never watched Doc nor cared for his content.

@@treyburkhalter6234 Very well informed on the topic at hand to be honest I was very ready to roll with the idea that the quarter pounder was in fact a coping grifter. In context of grifting when it comes to quarter pounder, it's less something used on every KZfaqr and people who say that are just making excuses for bad actors, there's a difference between inciting hate and being hateful to a group that you don't like for money and following a certain niche because people tune into it more. People like Quarter pounder, critical drinker, Nerdrotic and their ilk are all grifters in my eyes because they don't stand or care about the causes that they spout, just jumping from one rage fueled topic to the next inciting hatred and disdain.

i do agree with your first paragraph a lot. and your example is far from the only. he also has a clear habit of being extremely transactional in his friendships, something that normally pushes me away from people. this also led me to not fully believe him in that spat with vshojo. in the moment i was like "sure, nyanners might not be perfect, but how do i know nux isn't himself a bad actor here or otherwise part of the problem?"

@@treyburkhalter6234tbf calling the quartering "quarter pounder" to clown on him is a meme at this point. i've even friends of his friends use it. it's a rare case of name calling that's not that deep.

This video made you stop being a fan of Nyanners?

​@@lordzaboem Pretty sure they already knew about some or most of the stuff that was talked about in this video, and the stuff they already knew was enough to stop being a fan, along with new stuff that they learned from this video just cementing those feelings. At least that's what it sounded like to me

"so do most vtubers" source?

@@Soapy-chan find any of her vods from 2010-2017 she spoke like a normal woman

@@0d0gn did I ask about her? I asked about "so do most vtubers" didn't I?

@@Soapy-chan Do you actually think all these women just coincidentally all have these high-pitched anime voices? Are you going outside sometimes or what?

@@YesoN8y yes i think that all the female vtubers don't have these high pitched anime voices. a few might, sure, but not most. I don't know what an attempt at an insult, that falls flat btw, has to do with you being wrong.

Didn't know she went after Gura. That never ends well.

@BoxyBrown717 it was for a childish reason as well. She was more or less jealous that gura got more popular than her.

@@akeultomo2213 Ah, yeah that's been a pretty common form of lashing out since Gura became a success.

^^^^ it always makes me feel so uncomfy when ppl try to say loli 🌽 is csam, even if loli content itself grosses me out xd

​@@eepylittleiruyeah it really dilutes the term. i would even argue lolicon stuff HELPS children because it gives pedos a safe outlet for their feelings that doesn't hurt anyone, it's harm reduction. my real issue with most internet lolicons is the large overlap with 4chan racists but if you're otherwise good then liking loli doesn't make you a bad person

@@valerielusa8000 owoah ive never thought of it like that 😯 that makes sense!

@@valerielusa8000 I think the same, but some people believe it awakens pedofilia tendencies in some My brother did think that, though making the comparison with believing violent video-game making people violent when it's actually the opposite made him rethink that Though I didn't manage to convince him loli and shota isn't CP. At least he isn't among those contributing in harassing famous lolicons

"Not to mention that almost no one sees a problem with shota" lol that is so wrong. People gave omocat a lot of shit for printing and selling a shirt with the words "shota" on it and those weird tweets about little anime boys. There was also a popular vtuber (forgot her name) that got a lot of controversy for tweets of a similar fashion. I think you've gotten this impression that people don't seem to have a problem when in reality it is because they weren't that many (compared with loli) who are just as openly expressive to the interest. The main consumer of loli is men, meanwhile shota is more consumed by women which aren't many to being with. in my opinion, loli/shota *can* desensitize child abuse. What I'm saying is that consuming too much loli content can fuck up your mind similar to how porn addiction can fuck with your reality of real women. It *might* even spark the sick curiosity of what it feels like to sexually abuse real children. Even if it's proven without a doubt that I'm wrong doesn't stop it from being fucking weird bro.

Nah, it'll still happens regardless. Kiara is known to interact with controversial streamers these days. I dunno if she did it to gain clout or something, but it certainly didn't help her own image.

@@gurugurumawaru7869 Not like she wasn't controversial before being Kiara.

Might be Hololive management wanting to protect from a possible risk (the three that left quickly got into some trouble)

Mods. Check his hard drives

​@@boylopez9165 drawings are not illegal it seems.

@@boylopez9165imagine caring about fictional characters more than slandering real human beings and ruining their livelihoods.

@@TehFlashBang_ womp womp.

@@boylopez9165 boo womp.

She, like Veibae (not silvervale tho) is a simple, clout-chasing E-girl. She found herself online at a young age and realizeD: Whoa! There are a bunch of lonely boys who will give me attention and validation for free! And then that became all she is. Every single action she has taken since her young teens have been to garner attention and/or clout. Including dating Aethel, that poor guy.

if you look into the lyrics she literally makes fun of a real victim of child abuse. that line about salty coins doesnt come from nowhere. its disgusting.

@@boots1622fan Really? I always thought the 'salty coins & milk' line refers to the small of certain bodily fluids^^

@AlexanderBogdanow it is. That's what the interview was referencering. Like who goes through that kind of effort for a joke? Disgusting

@boots1622fan your mom went through a lot of effort to make a clown like you.

​@@boots1622fan I've looked into that as well, and I think it's important to point out that at the time Nyanners made the pomf video, the phrase "salty milk and coins" was a somewhat popular phrase used on 4chan to describe the taste of certain body parts or bodily fluids. After I read about the rumor regarding that line in the song, I took to a 4chan archive site to try and find out more information, and to see if there was anything to this rumor, and I saw enough people there state the rumor as fact, that I completely believe it. From what I've seen, even by the time Nyanners made her pomf video, the phrase "salty milk and coins" had been used out of context so much, that most people using it had no idea what it came from. Most people thought it came from a screenshot of a thread where someone asks what female genitalia tastes like, with two people replying with the two parts of the phrase. Every time I saw someone ask what the phrase meant, some people would reply "oh someone asked what female genitalia tastes like, and that was the reply". Some people would reply with Nyanners pomf video. It wouldn't be until much later, if at all, that someone who knew of the phrase's illegal origin would reply accordingly. With that in mind, I severely doubt that Nyanners knew what "salty milk and coins" truly meant. I don't think it's outright impossible, I just severely doubt it.

Aaaaand how did you support before that?

😸🩷

Loli❤

She's well within her rights to criticize her own content even though iDubbz's old fanbase has shown that people will whine about it anyway. The bad part is that she insulted people for liking it even though her excuse for making it could be applied to a lot of the fans too.

I wouldn't describe 4channers as "the PC crowd" but otherwise your comment works.

The PC crowd did forgive her. Maybe not those who are wokescolds and use their morals to hide their terrible behavior. Most "PC" people understand people can change, Ironically it's the edgy 4channers that haven't forgave her. Her saying she didn't like her previous work and garnering a certain "type" of person (People who really REALLY like pomf pomf more than a joke) made them so angry and bitter people still gaslight everyone into thinking she hated her original fans. That's how gossip works. Most of the vitriol comes from those who really don't care about her past edginess, they like it and their only retort is a blanket hypocrite statement for they think people can't change like how they didn't.

On the one hand, I can see your point. On the other hand 4chan doesn't deserve respect

4chan respects no one, therefore, they don't deserve any respect, themselves.

Respect the OG lolicons?

Remember, if you antagonize the old fanbase, it will bring the implication that you're willing to do this again if you suddenly find your current fanbase disgusting and switching the fanbase again.

any website that allows people to say whatever they want with no censorship has earned my respect

She wasn't mature enough for that specially back then with the tumblrinas and anons feud, but she also never publicly apologized after she matured.

@@lucasLSD And I don't think she ever will apologize because I think she genuinely believes the people who enjoyed her older stuff are all bad people.

@@BoxyBrown717 yet she uses a loli-esque model does the same kind of voice and shouts sexual stuff a lot even up to recently, and the people she interacts with have no issue with it..

@@nathanperquin9910 She did recently update her model to have large breasts now and her voice is her natural voice so I let that slide. She is still trying to distance herself from it, but for the longest time she pretty much played into it even if she claims otherwise.

even new to the vutbing community, the NUX drama was oof time to cut ties.

Quite unpredictable, like for example, calling your whole fanbase Pedos and telling them they should kill themselves before using a loli Vtuber avatar, People sure changes

What people refuse to understand about the loli debate is that simply young girls existing in anime isn't what is being attacked. For loli defenders to muddy the discourse by misleading people on what the issue is for so many people. Nyanners attacked pedophiles, not all lolicons. Those that used the song she made while underaged as a anthem for sexualizing children in anime. It's no wonder why she specifically wants to steer clear of that. She thought of it as most people did back in the day, as shock humor and not an actual fetish for cheese pizza in anime or manga. To go from the accepted "Don't lewd the loli" meme to "depicting child abuse should be defended as a culture war point" is such a horrific turn in society. But some KZfaqrs purposefully lied about the actual criticism and now we have a generation of people defending pedophilia in cartoons because they got gaslight into thinking people hate children in anime and not the explicit acts they're drawn under. Imagine if this happened for western cartoons. People with Clarence and Loud House pfps going to war for mistaken goals.

​@@dreamer72 "Shock humor" SURE BUDDY. The song entirely based on a specific "manga" with numerous direct quotes, some explicitly referencing and canonically taking place mid-coitus. She's just an innocent bean that got taken advantage of old creeps, not an edgy teenager that revels in the same degeneracy as those "weirdo fans". Nah you ain't beating the allegations, we know it's no coincidence your first few models were suspiciously more "petite" before you went into this sudden ethical panic. This is a way more risqué IoIicon anthem than God Requiem or any of Kyoresu's covers. This is exactly why people hate anti tourists, they cultivate this environment of fear and backstabbing. Half the time they're into the same shit but they wanna bully people for clout and act morally superior, so they gaslight the community into thinking IoIi and other "problematic" elements were always shunned despite many of the most popular figures and influential media happily including it for decades.

Considering that a member of that fan base went on to desecrate her sister's grave in that backlash, it sounds like she doubly made the right choice in leaving those psychos behind when she did.

@@GNAV3 Like I said, no sympathy

Only the song. Lilypichu is the original pomf girl

After what she did it's more like revange than anything. I don't think anybody would welcome her back.

@@kuroh0241 The fuck you talking about?

Nux is a Vtuber too, you know?

nux was an absolute parasite at the time, so I don't blame her

@@w0t enlighten me, how's helping catch a doxxer classified as a parasite? The sheer audacity of those girls seeingthemselves as victims is ridiculous. When you watch that video he made making everyone aware about doxxer, did not even mention their name a single time, and he even had receipts pulled in a later apology video of them approving that video. That is just derranged. Ironically, they had a collab type podcast name "Great Taste", nux mentioned how he hates ppl not getting the full context of a video or situation, and the girls who agrees to it, and then, they did that thing nux hates and they'd agree. What a bunch of traitors, I guess. Moral of the story, you can't have success, without betraying people, and throwing under the bus.

@@w0t Nux wasn't though. She is the parasite.

I’ve never seen someone burn through so much accumulated goodwill and get people back to hating him as much as nux

I’ve never seen someone burn though so much accumulated goodwill (in the wake of the vshojo thing) and get people hating him again as fast as nux did

For me it seems a bit as if Aethel is the guy she always wanted to have as a boyfriend, somebody who is mentally stable enough to keep her in check, to help her deal with her problems - but she only found him when she was 29 and made many mistakes beforehand. She just wanted somebody who loves her, but seeked it the wrong way, by always trying to appeace her fans and people she then was friends with - instead of being herself and then been found by the right one.

Exactly, she was an underaged person at the time of the loli thing that people still bring up umpteen years later to this day, and she was still immature more recently. It seems like she is improving of late, but is obviously not the most stable person around and probably lashed out on occasion. She is even now super careful about who she associates with, and probably still drops people like stones out of her life at the least sign of trouble due to her own insecurities and sensitivities as an autist. All this could come off as irresponsible and even annoying, but it's not hard to understand, and it feels weird that Nyanners is the only one in these messy situations held to a higher standard by critics, even with an Internet full of crazy people.

@@Ravewolf24 To be fair: I'm glad that what my generation, the people with 198x born ages, is not saved anymore on the internet (and mostly never was).