The Convoy and the U-Boat: SS J. L. Luckenbach, HMS Orama and SM U-62

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The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered

The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered

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In October 1917, a British armed cruiser, an armed merchant vessel, and U.S. destroyers do battle with a U-Boat of the Imperial German Navy. The History Guy remembers the Dakar Convoy of World War I.
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@rogergallagher5511
@rogergallagher5511 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather and great-aunt travelled to Australia on the Orama's maiden voyage in 1911.
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your bit of intriguing history!
@lizj5740
@lizj5740 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigsarge2085 I hope you weren't being sarcastic. I love these little personal snippets. Also, this one tells us that the Orama was only 6 years old when she was lost forever.
@thomasgreene5750
@thomasgreene5750 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather served aboard one of those four-stack destroyers during WW1. He went from herding cattle on the ranges of the American West to herding ships on the Atlantic in a matter of months.
@davidbenner2289
@davidbenner2289 3 жыл бұрын
My mother's father was on a destroyer in the Atlantic during WWI. Later, my father's brother was on a destroyer during the Korean War in the South China Sea. He earned his Combat Action Ribbon when the Chinese Communists shelled his convoy of three destroyers off the coast of Korea.
@KarlPHorse
@KarlPHorse 3 жыл бұрын
A cowboy and a sailor? Your grandpa must have been tough as nails. Those are two of the hardest fucking jobs you can do even today, and especially back then. And a sailor in a global conflict no less. Badass.
@davidbenner2289
@davidbenner2289 3 жыл бұрын
@@KarlPHorse no. My my mother's father was a sailor on a destroyer in WWI. My dad's grandfather was a lumberjack and a town marshal in Montana and a deputy sheriff and Indian agent on a reservation in Idaho. Dear old dad was a simple master spy and gurilla trainer/leader, undercover, overseas after he left the service in WWII (combat medic/surgical tech in a surgical hospital). We're not that tough.
@davidbenner2289
@davidbenner2289 3 жыл бұрын
@@KarlPHorse my dad's brother was shelled of the coast of Korea during the Korean War. He was a sailor on a destroyer. That's about the time had parachuted twice into Manchuria, Communist China during the Korean War.
@KarlPHorse
@KarlPHorse 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbenner2289 I wasn’t being sarcastic, chill.
@DRNewcomb
@DRNewcomb 3 жыл бұрын
My grandmother and her family arrived in NY onboard SS Saale (later SS J L Luckenbach)
@otpyrcralphpierre1742
@otpyrcralphpierre1742 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad served in the Merchant Marine during WW2. He grappled with U-boats and German Raiders. Went all around the world on tankers and cargo ships, hauling Hi-test aircraft gasoline on tankers, and bombs and ammunition on the cargo ships. He didn't talk about the war very much, but the few times he spoke about it, it was a harrowing experience. One note that not many know, that as a Percentage basis, the Merchant Marines suffered the Highest casualty rate of any any service during WW2. We lost Dad about 9 years ago. I miss him still. He was a Beautiful Man.
@francispitts9440
@francispitts9440 3 жыл бұрын
My Paternal Grandfather was a Marine in WW I and I remember he held the sailors in high regard because of how they faced the U-Boat threat they sailed through and fought in the dangerous North Atlantic. He saw combat in Belleau Wood yet he felt these sailors were braver than him. It said a lot to me especially as a young boy. I later became a Marine and I had great respect for the U. S. Navy sailors I served along side with. When my son asked me what the best armed forces branch I could think of is, I told him the story of WW I and the Navy. Then I told him what my Grandfather had said and how impressive that is in itself. He served in the United States Navy and I couldn’t be prouder.
@chuckh5999
@chuckh5999 3 жыл бұрын
fancy being a sailor on a munitions or refueller. They were the bravest of the brave.
@snoodles1234
@snoodles1234 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a Story on HMS Jervis Bay, The balls of a crew to take on a Heavy Cruiser in a armed merchant vessel NEEDS to be remembered.
@michaelevans205
@michaelevans205 3 жыл бұрын
Or HMS Rawalpindi. Both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Only one outcome, of course.
@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire
@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire 3 жыл бұрын
Or HMS Glowworm
@blackcountryme
@blackcountryme 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire Remember the Glowworm...
@blackcountryme
@blackcountryme 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelevans205 That ship was famous.
@John-ru5ud
@John-ru5ud 3 жыл бұрын
The cooperation between the Royal Navy and the United States Navy in defendant the western approaches was incredible. At one point the RN admiral in charge put the USN admiral in charge for several day ... the first time that the RN was under USN command.
@christopherlynch3314
@christopherlynch3314 3 жыл бұрын
I simply adore stories of defiance in the face of impossible odds.
@Ozymandius1977
@Ozymandius1977 3 жыл бұрын
Battle of Samar as told by Drachinifel is a good one. (Search: Odds what are those)
@quillmaurer6563
@quillmaurer6563 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting how at the end he brought this around to the history of the Hoboken dock fires, which he did a video on quite recently. Everything ties together somehow.
@rherman9085
@rherman9085 3 жыл бұрын
I was caught off guard by the ending but it was a pleasant surprise!
@leftoffcolfax
@leftoffcolfax 3 жыл бұрын
History often does that. Event leads to event. Sometimes prominent, sometimes obscure, and sometimes the stories of legend.
@quillmaurer6563
@quillmaurer6563 3 жыл бұрын
@@leftoffcolfax True, everything is somehow tied to everything. But lately particularly, I've noticed The History Guy's videos seem to sort of link together, some aspect of one relating to something from another recent one, with little mention of his other video. Likewise recently he did a video on the USS Texas' involvement in D-day, and shortly after another video about another Allied invasion that the USS Texas also played a major role in. Both ended talking about the museum restoring the USS Texas.
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 3 жыл бұрын
@@quillmaurer6563 it could be that during his research for one topic, he ends up going down the rabbit hole that leads to the next.
@quillmaurer6563
@quillmaurer6563 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrTaxiRob Good point - I've been on enough Wikipedia loops to see how that could happen.
@ObservingtheObvious
@ObservingtheObvious 3 жыл бұрын
It is great fun to me when stories collide. This story and the ‘The Great Dockfire’ relationship , feed that fun.
@TBullCajunbreadmaker
@TBullCajunbreadmaker 3 жыл бұрын
I served aboard the USS Conyngham (Cunningham) during the very early 1970s. It was the 3rd Destroyer to be named after this name and the motto was "Can Do" Anytime-Anywhere.
@courtneytaylor4654
@courtneytaylor4654 3 жыл бұрын
Greyhound is my brother's new favourite movie. It's all about a convoy crossing. I highly recommend it.
@Russia-bullies
@Russia-bullies 3 жыл бұрын
If you like WW2 naval fights,you should watch The Enemy Below, It ain’t historical,though.
@tygrkhat4087
@tygrkhat4087 3 жыл бұрын
@@Russia-bullies Check out Das Boot; especially if you can get the German version with subtitles. A fictional story, but a very accurate portrayal of life below the sea.
@JCoryell
@JCoryell 3 жыл бұрын
Action In The North Atlantic with Bogart is a good one, too
@dwlopez57
@dwlopez57 3 жыл бұрын
Convoy crossing? Not a bus trip? LOL
@edstoutenburg3990
@edstoutenburg3990 3 жыл бұрын
@JZ's Best FriendA great Movie-Filmed on One of the RNs last operational Flower Class Corvettes.Based on the Book by Nicholas Monserrat,who had been a Escort Cdr in WW2. Also good reads are his auotbiographical 'The Three Corvettes' Probably still out there in used Paperbacks. And For a great book from the German perspective-'Iron Coffins, By Herbert Werner. Like ;Das Boot'-only not Historical Fiction.
@ianmacfarlane1241
@ianmacfarlane1241 3 жыл бұрын
There can't be many things more terrifying than coming under attack at sea - these were very brave men. Their sacrifice should never be forgotten.
@ajg617
@ajg617 3 жыл бұрын
I just happened to read the obit for a former neighbor of ours. He had told me his brother flew P-51s in ETO but never mentioned that he was in the Merchant Marines, on the Murmansk run and later in 1943 torpedoed off the coast of South Africa spending 6 days in a raft before being rescued. I never new. Truly brave.
@ianmacfarlane1241
@ianmacfarlane1241 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajg617 A lot of the merchant seamen didn't receive the same recognition as armed forces combatants, which was very unfortunate as they were incredibly brave men themselves. I suppose that people are naturally drawn to the exploits of the pilots of Fighter Command, the Desert Rats, the Chindits, the Commandos at St Nazaire, the Paras drops preceding D-Day, the combined forces in D-day itself - there are too many to mention, but the merchant seamen kept the Allies fighting, and at great cost.
@yeahitskimmel
@yeahitskimmel 3 жыл бұрын
Love when episodes mention each other like this and the Hoboken fire
@michaelimbesi2314
@michaelimbesi2314 3 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how history intertwines like this! And it helps that you’re such a good storyteller
@celowski6296
@celowski6296 3 жыл бұрын
Back in WWII many of the Great Lakes ore carriers were used in the Atlantic convoys to provide provisions for UK. These old ore carriers were slow and not made for the ocean. You may want to look into doing a story about these.
@davek12
@davek12 3 жыл бұрын
They had a little ol' convoy Rockin' through the fight. They had a little ol' convoy Sailing just for spite. Come on and join the convoy Ain't Hitler gonna stop our way. We gonna sail this heckin' convoy Cross to the UK. Convoy.
@darrinwright6758
@darrinwright6758 3 жыл бұрын
Very good.
@chestercallahan8856
@chestercallahan8856 3 жыл бұрын
Convooooooy
@iflyxwings
@iflyxwings 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong war though
@alexaga3247
@alexaga3247 3 жыл бұрын
Please think before to write. In WW1 Hitler was in trenches and hero of WW1 as ordinary fighter.
@davek12
@davek12 3 жыл бұрын
@@iflyxwings Yeah, oops.
@TheVetbird
@TheVetbird 3 жыл бұрын
All the History Guy episodes are interesting, entertaining, and informative but I like the war stories best.
@cadekraske6168
@cadekraske6168 3 жыл бұрын
My goodness!! What a story!
@richardklug822
@richardklug822 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate all your presentations, but especially enjoy those involving naval actions. In spite of evidence from WWI that the system works, the Allies would again grapple with anti convoy sentiment at the start of WW2, and more merchant seamen would needlessly die while the lessons were relearned.
@samiam619
@samiam619 3 жыл бұрын
The only one grappling about the convoy system was Admiral King, who had a hard on against the RN for some unknown reason.
@vincentkudelycz258
@vincentkudelycz258 3 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't say there was much anti convoy sentiment at the start of WW2, it was voluntary, then mandatory. Not to say some Admirals still had bias towards it, seeing it as a waste of time when they could be hunting instead of being hunted. Though "Second Happy time" was the evident of the Navy's ignorance believing a convoy wouldn't be needed at the coast vs. the open ocean. As someone who was a Merchant Marine, i know of a tug boat who's whole crew was sunk in that event, one of them being the first female Merchant Marine killed and one of them being the youngest to be killed at 15.
@macnachten8822
@macnachten8822 3 жыл бұрын
Been watching for about a year...I Love these histories that . . . deserve to be remembered!
@jhoward8780
@jhoward8780 3 жыл бұрын
Don't you just love history's great coincidences and ironies? Good stuff yet again.
@alanmoffat4454
@alanmoffat4454 3 жыл бұрын
NOW THIS IS AN EXCELLENT FOLLOW-UP CHEERS MUCH ENJOYED 😉 .
@sw2849
@sw2849 3 жыл бұрын
My father survived the sinking of the SS Dorchester which was sunk by a German UBoat. So few survived this a disaster. My father has passed now but I would love this covered on your channel. The 4 priests got lots of coverage as they should but the survivors and the dead also need their stories told.
@thanatosst
@thanatosst 3 жыл бұрын
I love hearing about smaller stories like this. It's a great way to make the events of the past more relatable; instead of a blurb in a textbook about "u-boats attacked shipping in the Atlantic during the war" it's a real story, with details about the men who fought, the trials they faced, and the experiences they lived. If content like this was used in the classroom when I was a kid, I'd likely have become a historian.
@a-a-ronbrowser1486
@a-a-ronbrowser1486 3 жыл бұрын
With a even more menacing opening song... y’all gonna learn today!
@dannyjones3840
@dannyjones3840 3 жыл бұрын
I love how this story ties into the last one about the Hoboken fire
@ravex24
@ravex24 3 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine a more perfectly timed video in my life than this right now. Amazing.
@blasterelforg7276
@blasterelforg7276 3 жыл бұрын
So the range of the surface vessel guns determined the firing range of U-boats which dreaded getting hit, which is what made the convoy system a success in part because from afar U-boats enjoyed only 3%-4% shelling accuracy. With convoys, the U-boats would have to rely virtually entirely on torpedoes which were expensive and they only carried a few. Very good insightful analysis.
@clydedopheide1033
@clydedopheide1033 3 жыл бұрын
I love the way you tied this into the Hoboken fire episode.
@daveyoder9231
@daveyoder9231 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad to see a Naval Cat present!
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 3 жыл бұрын
Always the best snippets of history!
@joeyaldente8858
@joeyaldente8858 3 жыл бұрын
The very beginning makes me feel like I'm watching the history channel.
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 3 жыл бұрын
Arming merchant ships was one of the turning points in submarine warfare. Having each merchant ship armed and with trained gun crews made it difficult for subs to surface near a target and sink the ship with gunfire from their deck guns. A sub could carry at least several hundred artillery rounds while only having 8-12 torpedoes. Sinkings were drastically reduced once U-boats had to rely on just theor torpedoes.
@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647
@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 3 жыл бұрын
My dad was in the Army during WW 2 and he got irked sometimes about the merchant ships and how they got attention I never fully understood why to me everyone was needed
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 3 жыл бұрын
@@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 Yes, my dad served on PT boats in WWII and always complained the aircraft carriers got all the attention. Just the way the military and war goes.
@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647
@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 3 жыл бұрын
@@sarjim4381 I agree, oh, by the way, do you know the history of the PT boat let say they have the same connection as NASCAR
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 3 жыл бұрын
What "merchant ships"... these vessels carried military supplies (which includes the QE and Lusitania btw) and that makes them ships of war, even if they are no man-o-wars. If you don't want to be attacked, stop delivering contradband.
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ugly_German_Truths Many neutral ships carrying compledtely innocent cargoes were attacked and sunk. Before the advent of unrestricted warfare, such ships were stopped searched, and either sent on their way after inspection, seized, or sunk after taking off the crew. Any enemy flagged vessel was fair game, but unrestricted warfare led to innocent ships being sunk without warning.
@Linusgump
@Linusgump 3 жыл бұрын
As you were talking about the SS Luckenbach, all I could think about was Waylon, Willie, and the boys.
@tomd5678
@tomd5678 3 жыл бұрын
An old lady lived in a house close to me. Her husband was an MP during the second world war and had also been a map maker. As a result he was chosen to drive Churchill and also a senior American military officer into Germany. After they had crossed a bridge Churchill asked the driver, "are we in Germany now" to which the driver said yes. Churchill asked the driver to stop the car, got out and urinated. He got back in and they continued
@tygrkhat4087
@tygrkhat4087 3 жыл бұрын
Many an allied soldier stopped to do their business in the Rhein.
@goldgeologist5320
@goldgeologist5320 3 жыл бұрын
Got to love Churchill! I just laughed strongly. Thank you.
@dwlopez57
@dwlopez57 3 жыл бұрын
A famous story
@2715bunky
@2715bunky 3 жыл бұрын
So much history wrapped up in one vessel.
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 3 жыл бұрын
It was a fascinating time historically! A flood of new technology was making it's mark on warfare and all combatants were still figuring out the doctrine and use of the new machines!
@828enigma6
@828enigma6 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Cotton bales are extremely difficult to extinguish once ignited. They may smolder for two weeks even if immersed completely in water.
@keeganpenney169
@keeganpenney169 3 жыл бұрын
My granddad was a sparky for a Corvette iirc that protected Halifax harbour in ww2. Convoys are part of my bloodline, thanks for the video!
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the Saddle again!
@djolley61
@djolley61 3 жыл бұрын
I love connections in history like that.
@taun856
@taun856 3 жыл бұрын
I really like how this ties in with the episode you did on the Hoboken fire. Well done!
@mobucks555
@mobucks555 3 жыл бұрын
I almost felt like I was there for a second. I love the submarine videos.
@kennethkellogg6556
@kennethkellogg6556 3 жыл бұрын
Note that the staggering month's total of tonnage sunk in April 1917 was never matched by the U-Boats in any month of WW2.
@KPearce57
@KPearce57 3 жыл бұрын
Hoboken dock fire raised it head again .
@stevewixom9311
@stevewixom9311 3 жыл бұрын
THIS one was a really good one. Love learning about small unit actions. Whether you made it across the Atlantic or not was really just a roll of the dice. In WW2 i had an uncle that got suck twice. Neither time by a U-Boat but by aircraft.
@ces4399
@ces4399 3 жыл бұрын
“Going to Luckenbach, Texas. Waylon and Willie and the boys…”
@Jay-cj7xu
@Jay-cj7xu 3 жыл бұрын
I love your coverage of single boat engagements. It is a small piece of the men and history that truly does deserve to be remembered.
@robertconnor2934
@robertconnor2934 3 жыл бұрын
Love the picture of your cat in uniform. Great episode and tying it to the Hoboken Dock fire was genius
@stevedietrich8936
@stevedietrich8936 3 жыл бұрын
THG, did you get a new award? I see something new on the shelf just off your right shoulder. Also, it was interesting how this tied in with your Hoboken fire
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly an award- but you might say I chose well…
@willyeverlearn7052
@willyeverlearn7052 3 жыл бұрын
Love the energy, love the content.
@lexrichardson7820
@lexrichardson7820 3 жыл бұрын
Aaahh-! Great to have another shot of history in my day! Thank you History Guy!
@rh5971
@rh5971 3 жыл бұрын
I just LOVE what you do, History Guy!!!
@RobertJohnson-nk6mz
@RobertJohnson-nk6mz 3 жыл бұрын
A great segment! Thanks!!!
@mfreund15448
@mfreund15448 3 жыл бұрын
Great story that is worth remembering!
@rogerwhittle2078
@rogerwhittle2078 3 жыл бұрын
The Admiralty readopted the convoy system quite quickly in the first world war, (despite many Captains and Admirals being opposed) and immediately in the second. The USN was less enthusiastic and while they patrolled the western Atlantic, they did not impose convoy rules until the situation up and down the Eastern seaboard became desparate. U-Boats were silhuoetting coastal merchantmen against the lights of Atlantic City and New York and picking them off. Eventually, (after Winston Churchill practically blew an artery) the lesson was learned and proper convoys crossed the Atlantic under joint USN and RN ships. I believe the change over point was called 'MOMP' - Mid Ocean Meeting Point. Thank goodness for all those Merchant Mariners. Great Vlog THG - as usual.
@misterangel8486
@misterangel8486 3 жыл бұрын
That was exquisite 👌😎👍 Thank you History Guy. 🙏
@thomashaas5132
@thomashaas5132 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your wonderful stories.
@kendipietro6855
@kendipietro6855 3 жыл бұрын
The service you provide to us all by teaching us these fleeting moments in history may be far greater than you can imagine. As you know, without a sound understanding of where we came from, it's impossible to know where to set a course moving forward. What I suspect you can't comprehend is the vast number of people you educate. Yes, you can see the views but how many times each view is then used to educate others "second hand" is likely incalculable. Thank you. What you do has to be one of the most important functions not only on KZfaq but also in our society.
@David.Anderson
@David.Anderson 3 жыл бұрын
I love the history guy. By far my favorite channel Thank you.
@bruces2193
@bruces2193 3 жыл бұрын
Really one of the best channels on KZfaq!!
@sharonwhiteley6510
@sharonwhiteley6510 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your tireless efforts to keep us apprised of History that should never happen forgotten.
@frankgulla2335
@frankgulla2335 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Short, concie and filled with exciting details and facts. Thank you.
@stevegallagher687
@stevegallagher687 3 жыл бұрын
Well told as always. Thanks HG
@f3xpmartian
@f3xpmartian 3 жыл бұрын
As already mentioned, like the tie in with the Hoboken Fire. Convoy duty, yuck, shivers down the spine. Wonder how the survivial rate changed with the implementaion of the convoys.
@doxdoomsday4948
@doxdoomsday4948 3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy watching your episodes. Thank you for your hard work!
@servingme09
@servingme09 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing our history alive
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Well done.
@daleaeschbacher2367
@daleaeschbacher2367 3 жыл бұрын
thank you love your work
@silverfawkes1219
@silverfawkes1219 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel is awesome! May the blessings of the algorithm be upon you!
@iainsanders4775
@iainsanders4775 3 жыл бұрын
PS. You might 'enjoy' relating how Italian Ace Visiani downed two RAF planes in one fell sweep in Eritrea. Interesting feller, a bit like Richthoven in cold-bloodedness. One of the pilots was my schoolteacher's brother.
@dmfraser1444
@dmfraser1444 3 жыл бұрын
I have not checked in for awhile. Pretty impressive new opening to the videos.
@res00xua
@res00xua 3 жыл бұрын
My father flew back to back missions all day on D day but not much is said about the sir corps contribution to the invasion.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you for the lesson.
@timengineman2nd714
@timengineman2nd714 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people don't realize how much a (WW1 & WW2) Submarine deck pitches and rolls in the open ocean swell! These guns aren't stabilized (like many WW2 Surface Ships were) and this can make their gunnery accuracy suffer tremendously!! Hence needing to get close to be able to hit a ship often..... Which is why Armed Merchant Ships during WW1 were often able to hold off a gun battle with a sub, and why late war U-Boats started using their torpedos more often. (And late WW1 designs had a noticeably higher torpedo storage capacity!). Fortunately, WW1 were somewhat inaccurate, short range and didn't have a large warhead, and the explosive in the warhead wasn't as strong pound for pound as what most Navies used during WW2.....
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew the convoy system was initial resisted by the cargo Captains. Hindsight make resistance seem that of a petulant child.
@kennethkellogg6556
@kennethkellogg6556 3 жыл бұрын
Winston Churchill is famous for his history of WW2, but he also wrote a valuable multi-volume history of WWI titled "The World Crisis". (and he had insight from being First Lord of the Admiralty and then Minister of Munitions.) He included a good analysis of the arguments for and against the convoy system.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 3 жыл бұрын
It all comes down to the fact that people don't like other people telling them what to do - especially Sea Captains. The thing with a convoy - is that because of the vastness of the Oceans, a convoy of ships wasn't any easier to find than a single ship - and the single ships were more scattered about - giving the subs better chances of finding them. You see the same mentality during the Covid Crisis - with people refusing to wear masks or even get vaccinated. They're living in denial that anything bad is going to happen to _them_ . "Oh ... it's other ships that get sunk by submarines ... my ship is safe because I'm an experienced Sea Captain and know what I'm doing" "Oh - I won't get covid. None of my friends have covid. No one I know has covid - so I won't get it" "Vaccines? You mean you want me to get _a shot?_ I don't want to get a shot." The real problem with Convoy's was - as said - the delay it created in forming up the Convoy and - at the destination - you had all these ships show up at once to be unloaded so they had to wait their turn. That was a real factor in the throughput of the cargoes they were carrying - but - it was better than getting all those ships sunk. .
@navyreviewer
@navyreviewer 3 жыл бұрын
It was penny wise and pound stupid. Gathering ships to convoy and then operating at convoy speed costs more. Of course that means little if the ship is sunk. Unless its insured. wink.
@charleswade2514
@charleswade2514 3 жыл бұрын
Listening to you tell forgotten history is better than a college lecturer. Your the Paul Harvey of history. Have you considered using a wormhole as an introduction to channel.
@jimkunkle2669
@jimkunkle2669 3 жыл бұрын
Another great episode
@nitro105
@nitro105 3 жыл бұрын
Great story! loved it.
@mikeklein5184
@mikeklein5184 3 жыл бұрын
Neat to see some dazzle painted ships.
@jacksavage4098
@jacksavage4098 3 жыл бұрын
Really liked this one, never give up.
@MjrDepression208
@MjrDepression208 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why you're not at 10 mil subscribers, your content is amazing
@ComicOzzieSU
@ComicOzzieSU 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you HG. WWI is a subject that never seems to get the attention it deserves.
@RetiredSailor60
@RetiredSailor60 3 жыл бұрын
Was stationed in Hampton Roads area, specifically Norfolk and Virginia Beach for 14 years. Visited Dakar, Senegal 🇸🇳 Dec 1993 during UNITAS/WATC (West Africa Training Cruise) deployment.
@Markver1
@Markver1 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tie-in to the other Hoboken Docks Fire video. I enjoy the “Connections” of James Burke’s style of history documentaries.
@tomperkins5657
@tomperkins5657 3 жыл бұрын
Always, always, always great!
@johnofnz
@johnofnz 3 жыл бұрын
This was a good one!
@phillipbrewster969
@phillipbrewster969 3 жыл бұрын
I Absolutely love the new logo and stuff your doing...
@fatboyrowing
@fatboyrowing 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent story told… and remembered.
@opathesecond5438
@opathesecond5438 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I’m a fan!
@MarshOakDojoTimPruitt
@MarshOakDojoTimPruitt 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@o_LL_o
@o_LL_o 3 жыл бұрын
always great videos. Really like the social or product driven topics like cranberries and vanilla or the molasses spill, NY bank robbery
@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 3 жыл бұрын
Have always avoided the ww1 uboat stories... being obssess with ww2, but this inspires me to go and have at it! Many tanx!!!
@jamesmoss3424
@jamesmoss3424 3 жыл бұрын
That was a big battleship war.
@mobydick6420
@mobydick6420 3 жыл бұрын
You may have overlooked one of the most dogged battles of the Pacific in War II: the Battle of the Tokyo Express. It went on for months and pitted destroyers against Motor Torpedo Boats. In the end, the PT boats prevailed. But their story has never been chronicled. It could be seen as dozens of separate clashes, but strung together they comprise a major naval campaign that has never been fully acknowledged. And it contributed directly to the Japanese withdrawal from Guadalcanal While you're at it, perhaps you can explain how a 50-knot vessel, PT-109, could be run down by a 25-knot vessel.
@shemp308
@shemp308 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@andrewbaker5081
@andrewbaker5081 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@fredherfst8148
@fredherfst8148 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed.
@dtcb1
@dtcb1 3 жыл бұрын
great history details
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